This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rconard190 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9765.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I've seen your posting before and hesitated to reply. Ireland genealogy is a guessing game. You can't find things so you have to get inspired. Names run in families. Possibly you are looking for an Armagh Hart family who names children Isaac about 1820 or after. The familysearch pilot site might have a record of such a person's death. However, birth information is available only through trees and churches. The first or second male in Isaac's family would typically have been the name of his father if he stayed in Ireland, so maybe this is true for the US. Since I have Ballygargin Harts back to 1780's, you might have someone search at Seagoe Parish Church records in Lurgan area. No Isaacs in 1820's or in my tree, but Harts are there. Where are the Carruthers? I don't see any at Seagoe, so maybe that location is a bad idea. They are at Ballymurphy and Seapatrick in the rosdavies Co Down site. Seapatrick is somewhat near Armagh. Where are they in Armagh? Look at Griffiths, look at tax records in PRONI. Spelling variations and ages off up to 10 years are all part of the game. Check rosdavies for known variations. THe Seagoe records are alphabetized, date back far, and a search should be relatively inexpensive. I am assuming he is CHurch of Ireland as many Harts are and not Presbyterian or Catholic. Some Catholic records exist for the area, so see how far back they go. PRONI is the site that has many answers. You are often sunk with Presbyterian folks as the religion was illegal and records where often destroyed to keep people out of jail. 1775-1810 dates are not often in church records as the situation was bad about then, but you might get lucky. There is a Presbyterian John Carruthers in Lurgan married to Mary Murdeen having child Mary Ann in 1834. Presbyterian Archibald Crothers of Lurgan married Margaret Knight and they also have kids in the 1830's. Crothers are in Banbridge near Seapatrick and at Ballymurphy, so that is an alternative spelling. This is from the Index of Wills which rarely lists Presbyterians. Keep looking for places the 2 families might live nearby. PRONI also has tax records and maybe the father was well off enough to pay taxes, so look at locations and check Grifiths for Harts and the other names in the 1860's. Family was often left in Ireland. Then check who was on the boat with Isaac also from Armagh and whether they lived nearby in Baltimore. Relatives often move together or emigrate to your Isaac later on. Best luck. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Re: Isaac Harte The last posting here provides so many good 'pointer's for your search. Ballygargan townland lies about 2/3 miles from Seapatrick where the Carruther/Crothers etc are found. Which denomination are 'your' Harte family? Paulina www.irishhomesteads.com On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:44 AM, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: rconard190 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9765.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I've seen your posting before and hesitated to reply. Ireland genealogy is > a guessing game. You can't find things so you have to get inspired. > > Names run in families. Possibly you are looking for an Armagh Hart family > who names children Isaac about 1820 or after. The familysearch pilot site > might have a record of such a person's death. However, birth information is > available only through trees and churches. > > The first or second male in Isaac's family would typically have been the > name of his father if he stayed in Ireland, so maybe this is true for the > US. > > Since I have Ballygargin Harts back to 1780's, you might have someone > search at Seagoe Parish Church records in Lurgan area. No Isaacs in 1820's > or in my tree, but Harts are there. > > Where are the Carruthers? I don't see any at Seagoe, so maybe that > location is a bad idea. They are at Ballymurphy and Seapatrick in the > rosdavies Co Down site. Seapatrick is somewhat near Armagh. Where are they > in Armagh? Look at Griffiths, look at tax records in PRONI. Spelling > variations and ages off up to 10 years are all part of the game. Check > rosdavies for known variations. > > THe Seagoe records are alphabetized, date back far, and a search should > be relatively inexpensive. I am assuming he is CHurch of Ireland as many > Harts are and not Presbyterian or Catholic. > > Some Catholic records exist for the area, so see how far back they go. > PRONI is the site that has many answers. > > You are often sunk with Presbyterian folks as the religion was illegal and > records where often destroyed to keep people out of jail. 1775-1810 dates > are not often in church records as the situation was bad about then, but you > might get lucky. There is a Presbyterian John Carruthers in Lurgan married > to Mary Murdeen having child Mary Ann in 1834. Presbyterian Archibald > Crothers of Lurgan married Margaret Knight and they also have kids in the > 1830's. > > Crothers are in Banbridge near Seapatrick and at Ballymurphy, so that is an > alternative spelling. This is from the Index of Wills which rarely lists > Presbyterians. Keep looking for places the 2 families might live nearby. > > PRONI also has tax records and maybe the father was well off enough to pay > taxes, so look at locations and check Grifiths for Harts and the other names > in the 1860's. Family was often left in Ireland. > > Then check who was on the boat with Isaac also from Armagh and whether they > lived nearby in Baltimore. Relatives often move together or emigrate to > your Isaac later on. > > Best luck. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would > like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and > respond on the board. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Those Harts were Presbyterian. Maybe it was spelled Harte. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Loughran" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:27 AM Subject: Re: [ARMAGH] Isaac Hart born ca 1780 in County Armagh > Re: Isaac Harte > The last posting here provides so many good 'pointer's for your search. > Ballygargan townland lies about 2/3 miles from Seapatrick where the > Carruther/Crothers etc are found. Which denomination are 'your' Harte > family? > > Paulina > www.irishhomesteads.com > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:44 AM, [email protected] < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: rconard190 >> Surnames: >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9765.1/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> I've seen your posting before and hesitated to reply. Ireland genealogy >> is >> a guessing game. You can't find things so you have to get inspired. >> >> Names run in families. Possibly you are looking for an Armagh Hart family >> who names children Isaac about 1820 or after. The familysearch pilot >> site >> might have a record of such a person's death. However, birth information >> is >> available only through trees and churches. >> >> The first or second male in Isaac's family would typically have been the >> name of his father if he stayed in Ireland, so maybe this is true for the >> US. >> >> Since I have Ballygargin Harts back to 1780's, you might have someone >> search at Seagoe Parish Church records in Lurgan area. No Isaacs in >> 1820's >> or in my tree, but Harts are there. >> >> Where are the Carruthers? I don't see any at Seagoe, so maybe that >> location is a bad idea. They are at Ballymurphy and Seapatrick in the >> rosdavies Co Down site. Seapatrick is somewhat near Armagh. Where are >> they >> in Armagh? Look at Griffiths, look at tax records in PRONI. Spelling >> variations and ages off up to 10 years are all part of the game. Check >> rosdavies for known variations. >> >> THe Seagoe records are alphabetized, date back far, and a search should >> be relatively inexpensive. I am assuming he is CHurch of Ireland as >> many >> Harts are and not Presbyterian or Catholic. >> >> Some Catholic records exist for the area, so see how far back they go. >> PRONI is the site that has many answers. >> >> You are often sunk with Presbyterian folks as the religion was illegal >> and >> records where often destroyed to keep people out of jail. 1775-1810 >> dates >> are not often in church records as the situation was bad about then, but >> you >> might get lucky. There is a Presbyterian John Carruthers in Lurgan >> married >> to Mary Murdeen having child Mary Ann in 1834. Presbyterian Archibald >> Crothers of Lurgan married Margaret Knight and they also have kids in the >> 1830's. >> >> Crothers are in Banbridge near Seapatrick and at Ballymurphy, so that is >> an >> alternative spelling. This is from the Index of Wills which rarely lists >> Presbyterians. Keep looking for places the 2 families might live >> nearby. >> >> PRONI also has tax records and maybe the father was well off enough to >> pay >> taxes, so look at locations and check Grifiths for Harts and the other >> names >> in the 1860's. Family was often left in Ireland. >> >> Then check who was on the boat with Isaac also from Armagh and whether >> they >> lived nearby in Baltimore. Relatives often move together or emigrate to >> your Isaac later on. >> >> Best luck. >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you >> would >> like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above >> and >> respond on the board. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry to be so late in answering. I'm very interested in your Harts back to the 1780s -- who knows, maybe they will be mine. Co. Armagh is not definite - just an informed guess on my part. I guess I should look more in Lurgan area. Could you please send me any Hart info that you have? You could send it to me direct at [email protected] And you mention checking who was on the boat with them. Do you have any suggestions about how I can find what boat they went on, from what is nor Northern Ireland to Canada. Many thanks, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [ARMAGH] Isaac Hart born ca 1780 in County Armagh > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: rconard190 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9765.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I've seen your posting before and hesitated to reply. Ireland genealogy > is a guessing game. You can't find things so you have to get inspired. > > Names run in families. Possibly you are looking for an Armagh Hart family > who names children Isaac about 1820 or after. The familysearch pilot site > might have a record of such a person's death. However, birth information > is available only through trees and churches. > > The first or second male in Isaac's family would typically have been the > name of his father if he stayed in Ireland, so maybe this is true for the > US. > > Since I have Ballygargin Harts back to 1780's, you might have someone > search at Seagoe Parish Church records in Lurgan area. No Isaacs in 1820's > or in my tree, but Harts are there. > > Where are the Carruthers? I don't see any at Seagoe, so maybe that > location is a bad idea. They are at Ballymurphy and Seapatrick in the > rosdavies Co Down site. Seapatrick is somewhat near Armagh. Where are > they in Armagh? Look at Griffiths, look at tax records in PRONI. > Spelling variations and ages off up to 10 years are all part of the game. > Check rosdavies for known variations. > > THe Seagoe records are alphabetized, date back far, and a search should > be relatively inexpensive. I am assuming he is CHurch of Ireland as many > Harts are and not Presbyterian or Catholic. > > Some Catholic records exist for the area, so see how far back they go. > PRONI is the site that has many answers. > > You are often sunk with Presbyterian folks as the religion was illegal and > records where often destroyed to keep people out of jail. 1775-1810 dates > are not often in church records as the situation was bad about then, but > you might get lucky. There is a Presbyterian John Carruthers in Lurgan > married to Mary Murdeen having child Mary Ann in 1834. Presbyterian > Archibald Crothers of Lurgan married Margaret Knight and they also have > kids in the 1830's. > > Crothers are in Banbridge near Seapatrick and at Ballymurphy, so that is > an alternative spelling. This is from the Index of Wills which rarely > lists Presbyterians. Keep looking for places the 2 families might live > nearby. > > PRONI also has tax records and maybe the father was well off enough to pay > taxes, so look at locations and check Grifiths for Harts and the other > names in the 1860's. Family was often left in Ireland. > > Then check who was on the boat with Isaac also from Armagh and whether > they lived nearby in Baltimore. Relatives often move together or emigrate > to your Isaac later on. > > Best luck. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message