Good Morning: I would like to know if the Armagh Guardian was published in 1833. Was there any newspaper in Armagh published in 1833 Allen Clark Ganaoque, Ontario. Canada

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: deirdret3 Surnames: Townley Tilson, Harris Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/4229.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Judy, Yes, I can give you information about Iris. She was an amazing woman and I met her two or three times when she came to visit my father (her brother) in Burlington, Ontario. I'm not totally sure how to connect with you to give you the information you need - I have information, photos etc. I would also like information regarding your grandfather, Daryl, who would be my uncle and your father, who would be my cousin. I did not have the opportunity to meet either of them as my father was somewhat estranged from his brothers. He was very close to his sister, Iris, though. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Judy_McCord Surnames: Townley Tilson, Harris, McLaughlin Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/4229.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dear Deirdret3, I did not see your message earlier but I am interested in any information you may have. I am building a family tree and I would like to get as much information as I can. I would like to get some information on Iris as well as share any information that is available. I hope that you will see this message and respond to it. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thank you. But what I really meant was -- is it possible for you to share the information about how to obtain marriage certificates. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Stephens" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [ARMAGH] Marriage Records in Co. Armagh > > I received a reply from Pauline. > > Carol > > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:07:09 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [ARMAGH] Marriage Records in Co. Armagh >> >> Did you ever get an answer? I am also curious. >> Karen >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:10 PM >> Subject: [ARMAGH] Marriage Records in Co. Armagh >> >> >> > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> > >> > Author: Perplexed80 >> > Surnames: Stephens >> > Classification: queries >> > >> > Message Board URL: >> > >> > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9745/mb.ashx >> > >> > Message Board Post: >> > >> > I was hoping that someone might be able to help me. I have recently >> > found >> > marriage information for my ancestors and would like to obtain a copy >> > of >> > the original marriage certificates. I am new to doing research in >> > Ireland >> > and was wondering how to obtain these records. I am assuming that I >> > would >> > get in touch with the parish but I need to know where to obtain the >> > address, etc. >> > >> > Any help that can offer would be greatly appreciated. >> > >> > Thank you in advance, >> > >> > Carol >> > >> > Important Note: >> > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you >> > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link >> > above and respond on the board. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Karen, >From the internet: Sir Robert Hart, 1st Baronet GCMG (20 February 1835 – 20 September 1911), born in 1835 in County Armagh, Ireland was a British consular official in China, who served from 1863-1911 as the second Inspector General of China's Imperial Maritime Custom Service (IMCS Early life Robert Hart was born into a devout Methodist family in Dungannon Street, Portadown County Armagh, Ulster, in 1835. His father, Henry Hart (1806-1875) worked in distilleries, and married a farmer’s daughter, Ann Edgar, in 1834. Robert Hart was educated at a Wesleyan school in Taunton, Somerset, then at Wesley Connexional School, Dublin, and at the age of 15 was sent to Queen’s University, Belfast, where he graduated in 1853. He would become, after his retirement, Pro-Chancellor of Queen’s University China In spring of the following year, Robert Hart received from his college a British Foreign Office nomination as student interpreter in the China consular service. His first destination was Hong Kong, where he served in the Superintendency of Trade under the orders of Sir John Bowring, the Governor of Hong Kong. In September 1854, Robert Hart was appointed to the British vice-consulate in Ningpo as supernumary interpreter. As a dispute broke out between the British Consul and the Portuguese Consul, Robert Hart was given the responsibility of managing the consulate for several months. Hart’s calmness and good judgement in the face of brutalities between the Chinese and Portuguese earned him favourable commendations from his superiors and led to his nomination to act as secretary to the allied commissioners governing the Canton in March 1858. Hart first served under Sir Harry Parkes, then, in October 1858, was promoted to the British Consulate as interpreter under the orders of Sir Rutherford Alcock. The following year, Hart resigned to take up the post of local inspector of customs. From 1859 to 1861, this position allowed him to develop his expertise in the management of customs in China. In 1861, he was promoted to acting Inspector-General, and was named Inspector-General of Foreign Customs in 1863, a position he held until his retirement in 1907. best regards Robert > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:18:11 -0500 > Subject: Re: [ARMAGH] Isaac Hart born ca 1780 in County Armagh > > The Hart that I know of is Samuel Hart (b. 1815 probably in Co. Armagh, d. > between 1865 and 1866 in Ontario, Canada, with death registration March 19, > 1865 in Grenville County, Ontario, Canada aged 82, so birthdate could have > been 1813). Samuel Hart m. Rebeca Kelly on March 25, 1840 at the Clare > Presbyterian Church in Co. Armagh which was her family's church, and they > left soon after to emigrate to Canada. They built and lived in a log home > outside of Bishop's Mills, near Merrickville, in the southern part of > Ontario, Canada. Their grandson, Eli Hart, emigrated to Hartford, > Connecticut in the US and married the daughter of his landlord, Carrie > Bliss. Eli and Carrie Bliss Hart were my grandparents. Eli and Carrie Hart > had two sons, Merrill and Lauren. Lauren was my father. > > There is a bit of a family memory of "Cavan" but I never found any > information in Co. Cavan, so I looked instead into the nearby Co. Armagh > where one of the Harts (Samuel, above) had married. That's where I've found > all this information, so I am assuming the Harts lived in Co. Armagh (but I > have no real proof of that). > > And I don't know the parents or siblings of Samuel Hart. So I'm really > interested in the Subject -- "Isaac Hart b. ca. 1780 in Co. Armagh." I'm > really wondering if he is related to my Harts. If you know anything about > him, please pass it on. > > I've never been sure which town or townland they might have lived in, either > in Co. Cavan or in Co. Armagh. I'm guessing they were tenants on some > landlord's place, but I have not been able to find out what landlord, or > what place. > > There is also a renowned Robert Hart -- he was a traveler to China, perhaps > something of an ambassador -- but I don't have any information that he may > be related to these Harts of mine. I think he was Sir Robert Hart. > > Karen Hart Anthony > Maine, USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:18 PM > Subject: Re: [ARMAGH] Isaac Hart born ca 1780 in County Armagh > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > Author: bobboss55 > > Surnames: > > Classification: queries > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9765.1.1/mb.ashx > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > Thank you very much for the great search ideas. Yes, I have been holding > > off on this branch a little as other searches in Ireland have really been > > more miss than hit. I take a hit at this one every once-in-ahwhile. I am > > really not sure on the Carruthers line where she came from or when she was > > born. She is listed in several U.S. census's as being born in Ireland > > about 1790 -1820. The federal US census of 1930 shows Isaac in Whitewater, > > Franklin, Indiana with one female that is listed as from 20 to 30 with > > Isaac being shown as between 40 and 50 at that time. It appears they had 3 > > sons and 2 daughters in that census. > > > > There first two children were sons. The first named John and the second > > being named Joseph. I take that they might be named after paternal and > > maternal grandfathers. Their third son was named Isaac, after his father I > > am sure. > > > > The problem with the U.S. census before 1850/1860 is that they only gave > > the count by age bracket, so you got a total number in the household and > > not each individual. > > > > I have never found any reference to their religion. Don't really know if > > they were religious or not. I think the family weas always shown as > > farmers, so looking at particular professions is out. I have not found any > > other Hart families listed in any census where they might be close to > > them. > > > > I was hoping that in Ireland it would be like doing several lines in > > Scotland. They have one site where, for a very modest fee, you can search > > all the Old Parish Records, going back to the 1500's and more modern > > records. I have found many ancesters through the Parish Records. > > > > I have searched some and not found any record of a Hart from Armagh, I > > have also been told that others can find no Hart there either. > > > > I am afraid that this one is going to be a very long and difficult path. > > > > > > Thank you again > > > > Bob > > > > Important Note: > > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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Those Harts were Presbyterian. Maybe it was spelled Harte. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Loughran" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:27 AM Subject: Re: [ARMAGH] Isaac Hart born ca 1780 in County Armagh > Re: Isaac Harte > The last posting here provides so many good 'pointer's for your search. > Ballygargan townland lies about 2/3 miles from Seapatrick where the > Carruther/Crothers etc are found. Which denomination are 'your' Harte > family? > > Paulina > www.irishhomesteads.com > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:44 AM, [email protected] < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: rconard190 >> Surnames: >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9765.1/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> I've seen your posting before and hesitated to reply. Ireland genealogy >> is >> a guessing game. You can't find things so you have to get inspired. >> >> Names run in families. Possibly you are looking for an Armagh Hart family >> who names children Isaac about 1820 or after. The familysearch pilot >> site >> might have a record of such a person's death. However, birth information >> is >> available only through trees and churches. >> >> The first or second male in Isaac's family would typically have been the >> name of his father if he stayed in Ireland, so maybe this is true for the >> US. >> >> Since I have Ballygargin Harts back to 1780's, you might have someone >> search at Seagoe Parish Church records in Lurgan area. No Isaacs in >> 1820's >> or in my tree, but Harts are there. >> >> Where are the Carruthers? I don't see any at Seagoe, so maybe that >> location is a bad idea. They are at Ballymurphy and Seapatrick in the >> rosdavies Co Down site. Seapatrick is somewhat near Armagh. Where are >> they >> in Armagh? Look at Griffiths, look at tax records in PRONI. Spelling >> variations and ages off up to 10 years are all part of the game. Check >> rosdavies for known variations. >> >> THe Seagoe records are alphabetized, date back far, and a search should >> be relatively inexpensive. I am assuming he is CHurch of Ireland as >> many >> Harts are and not Presbyterian or Catholic. >> >> Some Catholic records exist for the area, so see how far back they go. >> PRONI is the site that has many answers. >> >> You are often sunk with Presbyterian folks as the religion was illegal >> and >> records where often destroyed to keep people out of jail. 1775-1810 >> dates >> are not often in church records as the situation was bad about then, but >> you >> might get lucky. There is a Presbyterian John Carruthers in Lurgan >> married >> to Mary Murdeen having child Mary Ann in 1834. Presbyterian Archibald >> Crothers of Lurgan married Margaret Knight and they also have kids in the >> 1830's. >> >> Crothers are in Banbridge near Seapatrick and at Ballymurphy, so that is >> an >> alternative spelling. This is from the Index of Wills which rarely lists >> Presbyterians. Keep looking for places the 2 families might live >> nearby. >> >> PRONI also has tax records and maybe the father was well off enough to >> pay >> taxes, so look at locations and check Grifiths for Harts and the other >> names >> in the 1860's. Family was often left in Ireland. >> >> Then check who was on the boat with Isaac also from Armagh and whether >> they >> lived nearby in Baltimore. Relatives often move together or emigrate to >> your Isaac later on. >> >> Best luck. >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you >> would >> like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above >> and >> respond on the board. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Those Harts were Presbyterian. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Loughran" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:27 AM Subject: Re: [ARMAGH] Isaac Hart born ca 1780 in County Armagh > Re: Isaac Harte > The last posting here provides so many good 'pointer's for your search. > Ballygargan townland lies about 2/3 miles from Seapatrick where the > Carruther/Crothers etc are found. Which denomination are 'your' Harte > family? > > Paulina > www.irishhomesteads.com > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:44 AM, [email protected] < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: rconard190 >> Surnames: >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9765.1/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> I've seen your posting before and hesitated to reply. Ireland genealogy >> is >> a guessing game. You can't find things so you have to get inspired. >> >> Names run in families. Possibly you are looking for an Armagh Hart family >> who names children Isaac about 1820 or after. The familysearch pilot >> site >> might have a record of such a person's death. However, birth information >> is >> available only through trees and churches. >> >> The first or second male in Isaac's family would typically have been the >> name of his father if he stayed in Ireland, so maybe this is true for the >> US. >> >> Since I have Ballygargin Harts back to 1780's, you might have someone >> search at Seagoe Parish Church records in Lurgan area. No Isaacs in >> 1820's >> or in my tree, but Harts are there. >> >> Where are the Carruthers? I don't see any at Seagoe, so maybe that >> location is a bad idea. They are at Ballymurphy and Seapatrick in the >> rosdavies Co Down site. Seapatrick is somewhat near Armagh. Where are >> they >> in Armagh? Look at Griffiths, look at tax records in PRONI. Spelling >> variations and ages off up to 10 years are all part of the game. Check >> rosdavies for known variations. >> >> THe Seagoe records are alphabetized, date back far, and a search should >> be relatively inexpensive. I am assuming he is CHurch of Ireland as >> many >> Harts are and not Presbyterian or Catholic. >> >> Some Catholic records exist for the area, so see how far back they go. >> PRONI is the site that has many answers. >> >> You are often sunk with Presbyterian folks as the religion was illegal >> and >> records where often destroyed to keep people out of jail. 1775-1810 >> dates >> are not often in church records as the situation was bad about then, but >> you >> might get lucky. There is a Presbyterian John Carruthers in Lurgan >> married >> to Mary Murdeen having child Mary Ann in 1834. Presbyterian Archibald >> Crothers of Lurgan married Margaret Knight and they also have kids in the >> 1830's. >> >> Crothers are in Banbridge near Seapatrick and at Ballymurphy, so that is >> an >> alternative spelling. This is from the Index of Wills which rarely lists >> Presbyterians. Keep looking for places the 2 families might live >> nearby. >> >> PRONI also has tax records and maybe the father was well off enough to >> pay >> taxes, so look at locations and check Grifiths for Harts and the other >> names >> in the 1860's. Family was often left in Ireland. >> >> Then check who was on the boat with Isaac also from Armagh and whether >> they >> lived nearby in Baltimore. Relatives often move together or emigrate to >> your Isaac later on. >> >> Best luck. >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you >> would >> like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above >> and >> respond on the board. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pauline, Did you ever receive the email that I sent you from work? ---------- Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email -----Original Message----- From: Pauline Loughran Sent: 1/5/2010 4:26:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ARMAGH] Marriage Records in Co. Armagh Hi Carol and Karen I am Pauline. I live in Armagh What date you you want these marriage records for? Pauline www.irishhomesteads.com<http://www.irishhomesteads.com> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Karen <[email protected]> wrote: > Did you ever get an answer? I am also curious. > Karen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:10 PM > Subject: [ARMAGH] Marriage Records in Co. Armagh > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > Author: Perplexed80 > > Surnames: Stephens > > Classification: queries > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9745/mb.ashx > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > I was hoping that someone might be able to help me. I have recently > found > > marriage information for my ancestors and would like to obtain a copy of > > the original marriage certificates. I am new to doing research in > Ireland > > and was wondering how to obtain these records. I am assuming that I > would > > get in touch with the parish but I need to know where to obtain the > > address, etc. > > > > Any help that can offer would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thank you in advance, > > > > Carol > > > > Important Note: > > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > > above and respond on the board. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bobboss55 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9765.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for the ideas. What I had meant by the 'not in Armagh' comment was that at one time a person had mentioned that they could find no 'Harts" in Armagh. I have been playing aroun on PRONI some and it kis interesting. Following, what I take was the Irish NMaming Convention, I have found at least one John Hart in Armagh. John was the name of Isaac's first son, so I take that to Isaac's father's name too. Haven't found proof yet, but have some 'possibilities'. Thanks again Bob Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Re: Isaac Harte The last posting here provides so many good 'pointer's for your search. Ballygargan townland lies about 2/3 miles from Seapatrick where the Carruther/Crothers etc are found. Which denomination are 'your' Harte family? Paulina www.irishhomesteads.com On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:44 AM, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: rconard190 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9765.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I've seen your posting before and hesitated to reply. Ireland genealogy is > a guessing game. You can't find things so you have to get inspired. > > Names run in families. Possibly you are looking for an Armagh Hart family > who names children Isaac about 1820 or after. The familysearch pilot site > might have a record of such a person's death. However, birth information is > available only through trees and churches. > > The first or second male in Isaac's family would typically have been the > name of his father if he stayed in Ireland, so maybe this is true for the > US. > > Since I have Ballygargin Harts back to 1780's, you might have someone > search at Seagoe Parish Church records in Lurgan area. No Isaacs in 1820's > or in my tree, but Harts are there. > > Where are the Carruthers? I don't see any at Seagoe, so maybe that > location is a bad idea. They are at Ballymurphy and Seapatrick in the > rosdavies Co Down site. Seapatrick is somewhat near Armagh. Where are they > in Armagh? Look at Griffiths, look at tax records in PRONI. Spelling > variations and ages off up to 10 years are all part of the game. Check > rosdavies for known variations. > > THe Seagoe records are alphabetized, date back far, and a search should > be relatively inexpensive. I am assuming he is CHurch of Ireland as many > Harts are and not Presbyterian or Catholic. > > Some Catholic records exist for the area, so see how far back they go. > PRONI is the site that has many answers. > > You are often sunk with Presbyterian folks as the religion was illegal and > records where often destroyed to keep people out of jail. 1775-1810 dates > are not often in church records as the situation was bad about then, but you > might get lucky. There is a Presbyterian John Carruthers in Lurgan married > to Mary Murdeen having child Mary Ann in 1834. Presbyterian Archibald > Crothers of Lurgan married Margaret Knight and they also have kids in the > 1830's. > > Crothers are in Banbridge near Seapatrick and at Ballymurphy, so that is an > alternative spelling. This is from the Index of Wills which rarely lists > Presbyterians. Keep looking for places the 2 families might live nearby. > > PRONI also has tax records and maybe the father was well off enough to pay > taxes, so look at locations and check Grifiths for Harts and the other names > in the 1860's. Family was often left in Ireland. > > Then check who was on the boat with Isaac also from Armagh and whether they > lived nearby in Baltimore. Relatives often move together or emigrate to > your Isaac later on. > > Best luck. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would > like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and > respond on the board. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Hart that I know of is Samuel Hart (b. 1815 probably in Co. Armagh, d. between 1865 and 1866 in Ontario, Canada, with death registration March 19, 1865 in Grenville County, Ontario, Canada aged 82, so birthdate could have been 1813). Samuel Hart m. Rebeca Kelly on March 25, 1840 at the Clare Presbyterian Church in Co. Armagh which was her family's church, and they left soon after to emigrate to Canada. They built and lived in a log home outside of Bishop's Mills, near Merrickville, in the southern part of Ontario, Canada. Their grandson, Eli Hart, emigrated to Hartford, Connecticut in the US and married the daughter of his landlord, Carrie Bliss. Eli and Carrie Bliss Hart were my grandparents. Eli and Carrie Hart had two sons, Merrill and Lauren. Lauren was my father. There is a bit of a family memory of "Cavan" but I never found any information in Co. Cavan, so I looked instead into the nearby Co. Armagh where one of the Harts (Samuel, above) had married. That's where I've found all this information, so I am assuming the Harts lived in Co. Armagh (but I have no real proof of that). And I don't know the parents or siblings of Samuel Hart. So I'm really interested in the Subject -- "Isaac Hart b. ca. 1780 in Co. Armagh." I'm really wondering if he is related to my Harts. If you know anything about him, please pass it on. I've never been sure which town or townland they might have lived in, either in Co. Cavan or in Co. Armagh. I'm guessing they were tenants on some landlord's place, but I have not been able to find out what landlord, or what place. There is also a renowned Robert Hart -- he was a traveler to China, perhaps something of an ambassador -- but I don't have any information that he may be related to these Harts of mine. I think he was Sir Robert Hart. Karen Hart Anthony Maine, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [ARMAGH] Isaac Hart born ca 1780 in County Armagh > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: bobboss55 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9765.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Thank you very much for the great search ideas. Yes, I have been holding > off on this branch a little as other searches in Ireland have really been > more miss than hit. I take a hit at this one every once-in-ahwhile. I am > really not sure on the Carruthers line where she came from or when she was > born. She is listed in several U.S. census's as being born in Ireland > about 1790 -1820. The federal US census of 1930 shows Isaac in Whitewater, > Franklin, Indiana with one female that is listed as from 20 to 30 with > Isaac being shown as between 40 and 50 at that time. It appears they had 3 > sons and 2 daughters in that census. > > There first two children were sons. The first named John and the second > being named Joseph. I take that they might be named after paternal and > maternal grandfathers. Their third son was named Isaac, after his father I > am sure. > > The problem with the U.S. census before 1850/1860 is that they only gave > the count by age bracket, so you got a total number in the household and > not each individual. > > I have never found any reference to their religion. Don't really know if > they were religious or not. I think the family weas always shown as > farmers, so looking at particular professions is out. I have not found any > other Hart families listed in any census where they might be close to > them. > > I was hoping that in Ireland it would be like doing several lines in > Scotland. They have one site where, for a very modest fee, you can search > all the Old Parish Records, going back to the 1500's and more modern > records. I have found many ancesters through the Parish Records. > > I have searched some and not found any record of a Hart from Armagh, I > have also been told that others can find no Hart there either. > > I am afraid that this one is going to be a very long and difficult path. > > > Thank you again > > Bob > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rconard190 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9765.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I do the US census also and know the early records are a pain. However, very old church records are often available and obituaries, cemeteries, county books with biographies, and newspapers often give the religion and voting habits. Rootsweb had wonderful people doing look-ups for obituaries, etc. That helped me out as did genweb's county records. Knowing the original faith when he came over really helps. Baltimore would be a pain, but Indiana might be much easier if he has not converted. I don't follow you on "no Harts in Armagh." Seagoe, Lurgan, and Ballygargin are in Co. Armagh. Do you mean the city or the county? I usually run into the county turning up in US records until WWI and late immigration records I know nothing about sources in the city, though there is a mailing list for it. Ask there. Keep in mind PRONI sells tapes of baptisms and/or marriages if nothing past 1875ish is on it and the Mormons have records that can be ordered and viewed at the nearest temple from some churches dating way back. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bobboss55 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9765.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you very much for the great search ideas. Yes, I have been holding off on this branch a little as other searches in Ireland have really been more miss than hit. I take a hit at this one every once-in-ahwhile. I am really not sure on the Carruthers line where she came from or when she was born. She is listed in several U.S. census's as being born in Ireland about 1790 -1820. The federal US census of 1930 shows Isaac in Whitewater, Franklin, Indiana with one female that is listed as from 20 to 30 with Isaac being shown as between 40 and 50 at that time. It appears they had 3 sons and 2 daughters in that census. There first two children were sons. The first named John and the second being named Joseph. I take that they might be named after paternal and maternal grandfathers. Their third son was named Isaac, after his father I am sure. The problem with the U.S. census before 1850/1860 is that they only gave the count by age bracket, so you got a total number in the household and not each individual. I have never found any reference to their religion. Don't really know if they were religious or not. I think the family weas always shown as farmers, so looking at particular professions is out. I have not found any other Hart families listed in any census where they might be close to them. I was hoping that in Ireland it would be like doing several lines in Scotland. They have one site where, for a very modest fee, you can search all the Old Parish Records, going back to the 1500's and more modern records. I have found many ancesters through the Parish Records. I have searched some and not found any record of a Hart from Armagh, I have also been told that others can find no Hart there either. I am afraid that this one is going to be a very long and difficult path. Thank you again Bob Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rconard190 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9765.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I've seen your posting before and hesitated to reply. Ireland genealogy is a guessing game. You can't find things so you have to get inspired. Names run in families. Possibly you are looking for an Armagh Hart family who names children Isaac about 1820 or after. The familysearch pilot site might have a record of such a person's death. However, birth information is available only through trees and churches. The first or second male in Isaac's family would typically have been the name of his father if he stayed in Ireland, so maybe this is true for the US. Since I have Ballygargin Harts back to 1780's, you might have someone search at Seagoe Parish Church records in Lurgan area. No Isaacs in 1820's or in my tree, but Harts are there. Where are the Carruthers? I don't see any at Seagoe, so maybe that location is a bad idea. They are at Ballymurphy and Seapatrick in the rosdavies Co Down site. Seapatrick is somewhat near Armagh. Where are they in Armagh? Look at Griffiths, look at tax records in PRONI. Spelling variations and ages off up to 10 years are all part of the game. Check rosdavies for known variations. THe Seagoe records are alphabetized, date back far, and a search should be relatively inexpensive. I am assuming he is CHurch of Ireland as many Harts are and not Presbyterian or Catholic. Some Catholic records exist for the area, so see how far back they go. PRONI is the site that has many answers. You are often sunk with Presbyterian folks as the religion was illegal and records where often destroyed to keep people out of jail. 1775-1810 dates are not often in church records as the situation was bad about then, but you might get lucky. There is a Presbyterian John Carruthers in Lurgan married to Mary Murdeen having child Mary Ann in 1834. Presbyterian Archibald Crothers of Lurgan married Margaret Knight and they also have kids in the 1830's. Crothers are in Banbridge near Seapatrick and at Ballymurphy, so that is an alternative spelling. This is from the Index of Wills which rarely lists Presbyterians. Keep looking for places the 2 families might live nearby. PRONI also has tax records and maybe the father was well off enough to pay taxes, so look at locations and check Grifiths for Harts and the other names in the 1860's. Family was often left in Ireland. Then check who was on the boat with Isaac also from Armagh and whether they lived nearby in Baltimore. Relatives often move together or emigrate to your Isaac later on. Best luck. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bobboss55 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9765/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Taking another look at this one. I have an Isaac Hart (at least that is the Americanized version) born about 1780 in Armagh. This is from The Hoosie Genealogist(State Historicl Society magazine). In it it lists his naturalization as being on Oxtober 18, 1838. It also lists his age (as best he could remember) as 56. His birthplace is listed as County Armagh. He immigrated in June 1817 from Belfast Ireland to Baltimore Maryland USA. He settledd down in Indiana and raised several children with his wife. I have tried to find information on him or his wife (Mary Carruthers born in Ireland) before without success. Is there anyway via ther web to locate any information on such a generic search? Without the exact time, place of his birth or his parents name I think this might just be the cement wall. Any help or addvice will be greatly appreciated. Thank you Bob Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: emmy8176 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9764.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am sorry I really have not gotten involved too much with the Goodlatte side, besides the WRAY connection. I am trying to locate where David is buried, if I come across anyother family members I will be sure to pass the information on to you. Melissa New Jersey Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BillHazeltonMemphis Surnames: GOODLATTE HAZELTON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.arm.general/9764.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I do not have the answer to your question but I am interested in the same family. According to the civil death record of David Richardson Goodlatte, he was 72 at death yielding a birth of about 1795. It appears that Amelia may have died in 1899 as "A H R Goodlatte" at age 95; b. abt 1805. Naming convention of a descendant in New Jersey points to a possible name of Amelia Harper R. Here is my interest: Elanor Goodlatt m John Hazelton c. 1800, Children:David Goodlatt,Wood Caulfield, Elizabeth, Mary and Sarah. Wood resided in the Dungannon area near Moy and named one of his children Alfred Richardson Goodlatte Hazelton.Which is another name associated with Salem House. Have you run into Elanor Goodlatt? Thanks Bill Hazelton Memphis Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi there The church registers for Freeduff are available at PRONI and are wonderfully clear. They date from Baptisms 1835 and Marriages from 1837 Paulina On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Beverley Clarkson <[email protected]>wrote: > Waht a treasure of history that letter is ! Thanks as always Sharon for > your > generosity! > > And I m wondering if my William, born perhaps a couple of years after, was > named for him! Do you know if the Currch records for Freeduff are at the > church or Proni? > > Beverley > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Sharon Oddie Brown <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > This is a fascinating letter that has all sorts of political talk in it > > relating to United Irishmen. There are a few names that others will > likely > > know more of than I do, so I hope to hear from those more knowledgeable > > souls. It is at: > > http://www.thesilverbowl.com/letters/1812_Donaldson_to_Lawson.htm > > > > 1812 Letter from William DONALDSON to Oswald LAWSON NAMES: Oswald LAWSON > of > > Newry, Co. Armagh & Norfolk, Virginia; William DONALDSON of Freeduff, Co. > > Armagh; General B---VAL (I can't read his name); Dr. Edward SHERIDAN; > Thomas > > KIRWAN of Dublin; Dr. William Steel DICKSON; Mark DEVLIN, Esq.; Rector > Dr. > > Henry STEWART; James ?; Alderman WALMSLEY; Ann SCOTT and Unnamed SCOTT; > > Barbara DONALDSON. OTHER PLACES: Derry. > > > > Enjoy, > > Sharon Oddie Brown > > Roberts Creek, BC, Canada > > History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ > > Some Become Flowers: > > http://www.harbourpublishing.com/title/SomeBecomeFlowers > > Family Tree: > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Beverley Clarkson > Sambro Head, Nova Scotia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >