Hi Pat No Newtownhamilton is not there in the 1851 book you use as it is not a townland. It is a town, a smallish market town of about five streets and two rather large churches. It lies within Tullyvallan or Tullyvallen townland and it is considered part of the civil parish of Newtownhamilton in 1851 and part of the Roman Catholic Parish of Lower Creggan. Presbyterian churches are at Clarkesbridge and Freeduff. I shall look at this site. Are you the same Pat who was asking about the 1821 census for Armagh? Best wishes Pauline On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Pat Connors <[email protected]> wrote: > Where did you get this info, Pauline? Here is my IGW site for Creggan CP > Parish: > http://www.igp-web.com/armagh/civilparishes/CregganCP.htm > As you can see, there is no Newtownhamilton listed. That is because it was > not there in the 1851 Townland Index which is a book I use for the site and > it lists all the townlands found in the 1851 Ireland Census. Has the > townland move from one civil parish to another since 1851? > > > > > Newtownhamilton is in Creggan Parish > > > > > > > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Maureen John Carroll was born May 1829, the son of Nicholas Carroll and his wife Biddy McParland of Belleek. He had two brothers and one sister. So he was pretty old when he maried Mary, he was aged approx. 58. I live close to Belleek and will check if his headstone is in the graveyard there. If so I will send a photo to you. . Mary was from the townland of Carnacally. Carnacally is in Forkhill Parish and Belleek which borders unto Carnacally lies in Loughgilly Parish. So even though they were in two different parishes they may only have lived 'accross the fields' from each other. If you want any information on the Murphy family get back to me Pauline www.irishhomesteads.com On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Dave and Maureen <[email protected]>wrote: > On July 11, 1878, my Great Grandmother, Mary Murphy Crawley (Crolly), > widow, > married John Carroll of Belleek. Church marriage record shows the > Parish/District as Newry/Mourne in County Armagh. Witnesses were Owen > Callaghan and Bride's sister, Ellen Murphy. > In the notes section it stats Forkhill Roman Catholic by License Rev. J. > McCann. > > John Carroll is listed as an unmarried Farmer of Belleek. Over the age of > 21. His father is listed as Nicholas Carroll. > > Mary Crolly is listed as a widow over 21 of Carnakilly. Her father is > listed as Edward "Pat" Murphy. > > On July 15, 1879 Mary Murphy Crawley (Crolly), Carroll, widow marries Henry > McCann. > > I would like to find out what happened to John Carroll, obviously since the > next marriage certificate says that Mary is widowed again, John must have > died. I would love to find out something about his family and when he died > and wher he is buried. > > Thank you, > Maureen Sausen > Lincoln, California > USA > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Allen I am Pauline and I live close to Newtownhamilton. There are so many Clarke's living in this area, mainly in the townland of Cortamlet that in the 1860's each branch of the family had their own 'nickname' to differenciate between them. Many of them were buried in *Clarkesbridge Presbyterian Meeting House graveyard*. I shall get back to you in a few days with some family details. Pauline www.irishhomesteads.com On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Allen Clark <[email protected]>wrote: > Good Morning Group: > I woukd like to know more about The Clarke Family from Newtownhamilton, > Camly, Macullagh and Tullyvallen area. > I gather there is a large cemetery in Newtownhamilton where a number of > Clarkes are buried. > > If anyone can help me I would appreciate it ... Thank you in advance > > Allen Clark > Gananoque, Ontario > Canada > > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Actually Newtownhamilton is a civil parish in its own right. it is in Tullyvallen townland. Kieran McConville > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:08:53 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ARMAGH] Newtownhamilton > > Hi Allen > Newtownhamilton is in Creggan Parish > > Pauline > www.irishhomesteads.com > . > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Allen Clark <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Good Morning Group: > > > > Can some one tell me if Newtownhamilton is in the Kilmore Parish > > > > ThankYou > > > > Allen Clark > > > > Canada > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

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Hi Allen Newtownhamilton is in Creggan Parish Pauline www.irishhomesteads.com . On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Allen Clark <[email protected]>wrote: > Good Morning Group: > > Can some one tell me if Newtownhamilton is in the Kilmore Parish > > ThankYou > > Allen Clark > > Canada > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, it is in the book on page 141. True, it is a Town and not a townland, but many times when a question is asked like, 'what parish is Newtownhamilton in', town and/or townland is inferred. I actually referred the inquirer to the IGP County Armagh site to lookup the town(land). Thanks for the added information. > No Newtownhamilton is not there in the 1851 book you use as it is not a > townland. It is a town, a smallish market town of about five streets > and two rather large churches. It lies within Tullyvallan or Tullyvallen > townland and it is considered part of the civil parish of Newtownhamilton > in > 1851 and part of the Roman Catholic Parish of Lower Creggan. Presbyterian > churches are at Clarkesbridge and Freeduff. > > I don't think I asked about the census but I may have replied to the original question. > Are you the same Pat who was asking about the 1821 census for Armagh? > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

This looks like a great site, Pauline. Are you eventually going to add Derrylard in County Armagh? My ggrandfather, George Campbell was from there. > > Pauline > www.irishhomesteads.com > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

On July 11, 1878, my Great Grandmother, Mary Murphy Crawley (Crolly), widow, married John Carroll of Belleek. Church marriage record shows the Parish/District as Newry/Mourne in County Armagh. Witnesses were Owen Callaghan and Bride's sister, Ellen Murphy. In the notes section it stats Forkhill Roman Catholic by License Rev. J. McCann. John Carroll is listed as an unmarried Farmer of Belleek. Over the age of 21. His father is listed as Nicholas Carroll. Mary Crolly is listed as a widow over 21 of Carnakilly. Her father is listed as Edward "Pat" Murphy. On July 15, 1879 Mary Murphy Crawley (Crolly), Carroll, widow marries Henry McCann. I would like to find out what happened to John Carroll, obviously since the next marriage certificate says that Mary is widowed again, John must have died. I would love to find out something about his family and when he died and wher he is buried. Thank you, Maureen Sausen Lincoln, California USA

Hello Pauline, I too have an ELIZA CLARK in the family and I looking foreward to receiving  your information. Geraldine --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Pauline Loughran <[email protected]> wrote:  

Again, this info is on the IGW County Armagh site, http://www.igp-web.com/armagh/index.htm > Actually Newtownhamilton is a civil parish in its own right. it is in > Tullyvallen townland. > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Judy, I'd be grateful if you could keep an eye out for a JOSEPH KENNEDY of Portadown, a DRAPER in the early 1800s and his wife JANE. They were a Church of Ireland family whose son JOHN married in Drumcree in 1839. It is from John's death certificate (Sydney 1858) that we learn Joseph was a draper. John married MARY BRADLEY of Drumcree parish. Joseph also had a daughter ANNE KENNEDY who married JAMES STEPHENSON at Drumcree in 1841. Both couples emigrated to NSW. Joseph's eldest child was Jane who also married a Bradley at Drumcree. Many thanks and good hunting. Bill Webster Sydney -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Judith Acaster Sent: Sunday, 14 February 2010 7:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ARMAGH] Travels to Co.Armagh/BARRISKILL Hello to all on this List, Having the good fortune to be planning a trip to Co.Armagh in August, and accompanying a 'cousin' who has been delving into our family history connection in Portadown, I wonder if anyone on the List lives in the County or has visited recently. If so, I would be most grateful for some advice for our time there. Off line, if it contravenes the 'rules'! Cheers!...........Judy, Perth W.Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:12:39 +0000 > From: Pauline Loughran <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ARMAGH] John & Jane Hampton - Ballywilly, Armagh > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Anne > Your ancestors are from Ballywilly *Baile an Mhullaigh* Townland of the > hill-top (Flush Hill) > > In 1752 Michael Hampton of Ballywolley {Ballywilly} was a church warden of > Kilmore. Hardly surprising as in 1613 Christopher Hampton was made Church > of > Ireland primate. On the church lands of Kilmore Parish he leased land in > Ballywilly to his brothers Francis & Thomas. Their descendants still live > there. Other family members are found in the neighbouring townlands of > Ballytrue, Lurgancott and Ballyhagan. The Hamptons have a lovely burial > spot > in KIlmore Churchyard, enclosed by three walls with tablets set into the > wall. Thank you Pauline for all that info. Do you know what facilities are available to obtain information from the church registers? Is there a plan or map of the churchyard cemetery available which would show names etc.? Rgds Anne

----- Original Message ----- > > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:07:13 +1100 > From: "Bill Webster" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ARMAGH] John & Jane Hampton - Ballywilly, Armagh > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Anne > > One branch of my family descended from a long line of Hamptons in > Anglesey, > Wales. A lot can be found about them in the book Pedigrees of Anglesey > ...., by John Edwards Griffith, 1914, a reference to which is here: > http://openlibrary.org/b/OL6574006M/Pedigrees_of_Anglesey_and_Carnarvonshire > _families > Bill, Thanks for that information. Another lot of research ahead. I'll look into the possibility of having a look at that book through maybe a library here. Rgds Anne

----- Original Message ----- > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:21:15 -0500 > From: "Karen" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ARMAGH] John & Jane Hampton - Ballywilly, Armagh > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Could you please tell us what religion that church in Kilmore is/was? > Thanks, > Karen > > Karen, as far as I know the Kilmore Parish Church was Church of Ireland - Anglican. Rgds Anne

Where did you get this info, Pauline? Here is my IGW site for Creggan CP Parish: http://www.igp-web.com/armagh/civilparishes/CregganCP.htm As you can see, there is no Newtownhamilton listed. That is because it was not there in the 1851 Townland Index which is a book I use for the site and it lists all the townlands found in the 1851 Ireland Census. Has the townland move from one civil parish to another since 1851? > Newtownhamilton is in Creggan Parish > > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I spend an enormous amount of time developing this site: http://www.igp-web.com/armagh/index.htm It should be on your list of places to visit when researching townlands and civil parishes in County Armagh. You will find a page for Newtownhamilton under the Townlands section that will give you all the info you need about both civil and religious parishes. > Can some one tell me if Newtownhamilton is in the Kilmore Parish > > Another place to check, of course, is: http://www.seanruad.com However, be aware there are some County Armagh transcription errors in their database. The site I keep is more accurate. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Good Morning Group: I woukd like to know more about The Clarke Family from Newtownhamilton, Camly, Macullagh and Tullyvallen area. I gather there is a large cemetery in Newtownhamilton where a number of Clarkes are buried. If anyone can help me I would appreciate it ... Thank you in advance Allen Clark Gananoque, Ontario Canada [email protected]