Lleanor: All of that is too late for me I need 1650 to 1741 period of time in Ulster. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eleanor Strain" <Eleanor_Strain@hotmail.com> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [Antrim] Belfast 1901 Census - Heads of Household > Gordon, > > As if that wasn't bad enough ...... There is almost a complete lack of > census material.... > > Full government censuses were taken of the whole of Ireland in 1821, 1831, > 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891 1901, and 1911. > The first four, for 1821, 1831, 1841, and 1851, were largely destroyed > in 1922, in the Four Courts fire. There are a few surviving fragments. > > .. Wait for it ...... those for 1861 1871 1881 and 1891 were completely > destroyed earlier, by order of the government. > This is why we who want to research our Irish ancestors must resort to > the census substitutes, Griffiths, Valuation Office Records, Tithe > Applotment Books > and the like. > > Eleanor > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie> > To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Antrim] Belfast 1901 Census - Heads of Household > > >> Gordon, >> >> Back in 1922, we had a civil war in Ireland - and at that time, the Four >> Courts was our National Archives - or - Public Records Office (PRO). >> >> Ireland was still not a Republic and she was still part of the United >> Kingdom of Great Britain. Somewhere, not to long before 1922, a decision >> was made that all parish registers or copies of them should be lodged in >> the PRO. >> >> Anyway - we're a great country for not doing as we're told - or, taking >> our time about doing it. So, the majority of the Church of Ireland >> parish records were lodged with the PRO around about the time that they >> were supposed to be..........the Cartholics were a bit slower about doing >> what they ought to have..............and mind you, not all Protestant >> parishes complied on time >> >> During the civil war, there was a battle/fight between a group who were >> hiding/ensconced in the Four Courts (the PRO) and another - during that >> fight, the Four Courts went on FIRE - and, everything in it. Everybody >> these days just refers to it as the fire in the Four Courts...........and >> says 'everything was destroyed >> >> That 'everything' included all kinds of records...............including >> parish records and wills. >> >> After 1922, a huge effort was made to try and recover 'copies' of >> records. Few things survived that fire in perfection. If you're ever in >> the National Archives in Dublin - you'll see that in lots of places the >> Marriage Licence Bond books on shelves are sellotaped >> together............bits of pages missing - things like that. >> >> When people say that everything was lost, then, for the most part they >> are referring to non-Catholic parish registers - about 65% of them were >> burned to bits (they were supposed to have been copied before they were >> sent to the PRO, but they weren't) - the majority of the wills that had >> been lodged were lost............ >> >> But - we do stil have the 1901 and 1911 censuses - we do have will and >> deed abstracts from 1858 - we do have the Tithe books, the Griffiths - we >> do have lots of material that was transcribed by wonderful genealogists >> way beyond our time in the past, but way ahead of us because they werer >> interested in genealogy way back when it was not 'popular' - if I'm not >> confusing you by seemingly contradicting myself with that statement. >> >> Not all Irelands records were lost - the worst thing that was lost, was >> those parish records............ >> >> But even there, for everyone, regardless of their religion - there's >> always the possibility that their ancestor was mentioned in the Minute >> books of a parish - Minute Bookswere not sent to Dublin. We have all the >> Quaker records going back to the 1660's. We've got lots of >> records............ >> >> But that's no obvious good to someone interested in a particular set of >> records that were destroyed. >> >> There's more to it Gordon, relating to Wills and land administrations and >> the movement from Dioscescan archives to Dublin (PRO) and loss of things >> before they ever got to Dublin. >> >> Different times, different places and everything had to be hand written >> >> Jane >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 7:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [Antrim] Belfast 1901 Census - Heads of Household >> >> >>> Jane: I have run across this several times and have never understood >>> it. I keep seeing statements that certain documents were destroyed in >>> Dublin, to what are they referring to fire or somnething else? >> >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >