Okay folks, perhaps I mispoke or was misunderstood. You can trace a name back to the beginning, using the Bible as a document at the early parts. Direct line genealogy, no. It is pretty much stuck around 1400 when records began to be kept. I have traced the origin of the name Cearnacháin back to 400 AD using the Annals of the Four Masters and other old dusty documents that St. Patrick missed in his book burning party. The Celts were known to be a people who knew their genealogy back to the beginning. Kings hired genealogists to recite their genealogies at fairs, etc. Visiting Kings brought their own to to recite their own genealoties as well as look for errors in recitations of others. Granted, any good King embellished his own roots as long as he didn't get caught.Sythians also were known for their keeping of genealogies. If you pooh-pooh the bible as an historical writing then you are right, you can't get past the last entry into bibliogical records. I choose to trace Cearnachá back to the beginnings of the Annals of the Four Masters and then take up the bible as history from then back. As to the comment about tracing your ancestry back to William the Conqueror, I'd guess 50% of European stock can do that as well! After all, look at what he conquered. I started tracing my hubby's roots back to the ancestor who came over from Ireland. Once I hit the brick wall, I decided to trace the name. It took 5 years of intensive work, but it could be done in spite of what the professionals said..."There were no records". There are virtually no Carnahans listed in the tax, muster, census rolls of the British in Ireland. So where were they? The professional genealogists I hired told me there were no records. They did tell me it was an ancient Irish name. And that was the end of it! Some of my research included line by line, word for word, reading of the ancient works, including Keating's History of Ireland. If you want to talk history and/or genealogy, you must be intimately familiar with Keating who is out of print. (Copies can be found for around $500 if you really search). Also, you must be intimate with The Topographical Poems of Seaghan "mor" O"Dubhagain and Giolla Na Naomh O'Duidhrin plus ALL of the Annals of the Four Masters. If you really want to get picky on Irish genealogy and name history, you also must consider the ancient practice of fosterage which really made the waters murky. Believe what you wish, but document your research. I did and found out a great deal. Now I am addicted to ancient Irish History. What a ride! Contact me off list if you have any specific questions. I will be happy to exchange information. Bess Carnahan, researching Cearnacháin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: Re: A good researcher : Re: [Antrim] (no subject) > Jane: You must have had a bad "hair day" as your spelling sliped a bit, > however I agree with what you had to say. With few exceptions there are very > few things which can be done well at a distance. I supply what info I have > and hope the researcher will take it from there. The Adam & Eve part is for > the birds, for anyone to believe that is both naive and brainless! > > Gordon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie> > To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:30 PM > Subject: A good researcher : Re: [Antrim] (no subject) > > > >A good researcher...... > > > > NO, - sorry Bess - a good researcher is not the person who wil search what > > you ask for - that is an average to middling recsearcher - it's someone on > > a lead/leash being told to search. > > > > A GOOD researcher will use their own initiaitive - their own instinct - > > based on years of experience. > > > > My reading of this email from you - you are interested in a particular > > 'clann' > > > > Clann (i.e. family.........or, family names - not the same as family > > history/family genealogy) is not particularly in the realm of you ordinary > > 'genealogical' researcher. It is much more in the line of Historical > > Research. > > > > You say one thing here - that I, as a family history/genealogical > > researcher based in Ireland - with total and absolute access to all Irish > > records ,isagree with. You say "I traced Clann Cearnacháin back through > > time, all the way to Adam and Eve! (You can do hat with the Irish)." > > > > I say - You CANNOT trace any Irish Clann back to Adam and Eve > > > > I cannot believe any word you say beyond that point. > > > > You are saying that Irish researchers areno good nad that yoiu can bring > > you r family back to Adam and Eve - they can't. > > > > As for full time - I'm glad you were/are able to do that yourself - If you > > stop and think about it - would you reallybe willing tp Pay a stranger 40 > > Euro+ per hour to work for you on a full time basis > > Jane > > > > ginal Message ----- > > From: "Carnahan Ranch" <carnahanranch@starband.net> > > To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [Antrim] (no subject) > > > > > > On the subject of researchers, both professional and amateur, I would like > > to offer a bit of advice. > > > > If you want really good research, including chasing down blind alleys, > > digging up bones, etc., DO IT YOURSELF! > > > > Good professional researchers will search what you ask for. BUT, they do > > not chase down other leads, etc. > > > > In researching Clann Cearnacháin, Carnahan, Kernohan, etc., I hired > > several > > > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Carnahan: I am in the throes of a mean sinus attack and you are bring me joy! What would you say the odds were that the Kings having genealogists going around singing the praises and ancestry were shall we say slightly inaccurate!! Over here in the US we call that "puff stuff". Example there is a book about well known (according to them!) people who lived in this area. The problem is they or their ancestors paid for the publication and puffed it all up. One of mine did this and when I am down in the dumps I read it again, its good for a thousand belly laughs, some of it is even true!Genealogy is fact finding, not fiction! Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carnahan Ranch" <carnahanranch@starband.net> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: Re: A good researcher : Re: [Antrim] (no subject) > Okay folks, perhaps I mispoke or was misunderstood. You can trace a name > back to the beginning, using the Bible as a document at the early parts. > Direct line genealogy, no. It is pretty much stuck around 1400 when > records > began to be kept. > > I have traced the origin of the name Cearnacháin back to 400 AD using the > Annals of the Four Masters and other old dusty documents that St. Patrick > missed in his book burning party. > > The Celts were known to be a people who knew their genealogy back to the > beginning. Kings hired genealogists to recite their genealogies at fairs, > etc. Visiting Kings brought their own to to recite their own genealoties > as > well as look for errors in recitations of others. > > Granted, any good King embellished his own roots as long as he didn't get > caught.Sythians also were known for their keeping of genealogies. > > If you pooh-pooh the bible as an historical writing then you are right, > you > can't get past the last entry into bibliogical records. I choose to trace > Cearnachá back to the beginnings of the Annals of the Four Masters and > then > take up the bible as history from then back. > > As to the comment about tracing your ancestry back to William the > Conqueror, > I'd guess 50% of European stock can do that as well! After all, look at > what he conquered. > > I started tracing my hubby's roots back to the ancestor who came over from > Ireland. Once I hit the brick wall, I decided to trace the name. It took > 5 > years of intensive work, but it could be done in spite of what the > professionals said..."There were no records". > > There are virtually no Carnahans listed in the tax, muster, census rolls > of > the British in Ireland. So where were they? The professional > genealogists > I hired told me there were no records. They did tell me it was an ancient > Irish name. > And that was the end of it! > > Some of my research included line by line, word for word, reading of the > ancient works, including Keating's History of Ireland. If you want to > talk > history and/or genealogy, you must be intimately familiar with Keating who > is out of print. (Copies can be found for around $500 if you really > search). Also, you must be intimate with The Topographical Poems of > Seaghan > "mor" O"Dubhagain and Giolla Na Naomh O'Duidhrin plus ALL of the Annals of > the Four Masters. > > If you really want to get picky on Irish genealogy and name history, you > also must consider the ancient practice of fosterage which really made the > waters murky. > > Believe what you wish, but document your research. I did and found out a > great deal. Now I am addicted to ancient Irish History. What a ride! > > Contact me off list if you have any specific questions. I will be happy > to > exchange information. > > > > Bess Carnahan, researching Cearnacháin. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> > To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: A good researcher : Re: [Antrim] (no subject) > > >> Jane: You must have had a bad "hair day" as your spelling sliped a bit, >> however I agree with what you had to say. With few exceptions there are > very >> few things which can be done well at a distance. I supply what info I >> have >> and hope the researcher will take it from there. The Adam & Eve part is > for >> the birds, for anyone to believe that is both naive and brainless! >> >> Gordon >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie> >> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:30 PM >> Subject: A good researcher : Re: [Antrim] (no subject) >> >> >> >A good researcher...... >> > >> > NO, - sorry Bess - a good researcher is not the person who wil search > what >> > you ask for - that is an average to middling recsearcher - it's someone > on >> > a lead/leash being told to search. >> > >> > A GOOD researcher will use their own initiaitive - their own instinct - >> > based on years of experience. >> > >> > My reading of this email from you - you are interested in a particular >> > 'clann' >> > >> > Clann (i.e. family.........or, family names - not the same as family >> > history/family genealogy) is not particularly in the realm of you > ordinary >> > 'genealogical' researcher. It is much more in the line of Historical >> > Research. >> > >> > You say one thing here - that I, as a family history/genealogical >> > researcher based in Ireland - with total and absolute access to all > Irish >> > records ,isagree with. You say "I traced Clann Cearnacháin back >> > through >> > time, all the way to Adam and Eve! (You can do hat with the Irish)." >> > >> > I say - You CANNOT trace any Irish Clann back to Adam and Eve >> > >> > I cannot believe any word you say beyond that point. >> > >> > You are saying that Irish researchers areno good nad that yoiu can >> > bring >> > you r family back to Adam and Eve - they can't. >> > >> > As for full time - I'm glad you were/are able to do that yourself - If > you >> > stop and think about it - would you reallybe willing tp Pay a stranger > 40 >> > Euro+ per hour to work for you on a full time basis >> > Jane >> > >> > ginal Message ----- >> > From: "Carnahan Ranch" <carnahanranch@starband.net> >> > To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:58 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Antrim] (no subject) >> > >> > >> > On the subject of researchers, both professional and amateur, I would > like >> > to offer a bit of advice. >> > >> > If you want really good research, including chasing down blind alleys, >> > digging up bones, etc., DO IT YOURSELF! >> > >> > Good professional researchers will search what you ask for. BUT, they > do >> > not chase down other leads, etc. >> > >> > In researching Clann Cearnacháin, Carnahan, Kernohan, etc., I hired >> > several >> > >> > >> > ============================== >> > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> > New content added every business day. Learn more: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >