Hi Jack Thanks for your reply. I have only just obtained the Australian marriage cert where the only information to go on is John Brown, Surveyor, Co. Antrim and his wife Sarah. I have gone through online census's for 1851 thinking that Surveyor may be the lead in and so have no idea what parish of Antrim they were from and checked Family Search etc. Seems to be a lot of "John Brown's" and annoying for me that father and son were just that - no middle names or initals. I am trying to get more info from NZ and Australia in the hope of finding out more of where in Antrim, and as with everyone, hoping someone else is researching the same family! Thanks, Audrey Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com