Bob: I am sorry to say there is no index of names, however Ahoghill contains a lot of names as a matter of fact I have pretty well convienced myself that the Ahoghill Crooks were mine. The reason I say this is I used the cluster method. In my lineI have some rare Scots names Dunwoodie, Moorehead, Crunkleton along with McClure, McCrea, Beatty,& Wallace. I found Moorehead, Dunwoodie, & McClure very close to where the Crooks lived (less than a mile). Since families in the 1600-1700's tended to live, marry and die within their parish, this is convincing proof (not concrete-but as good as it's going to get). Perhaps your Wiseman moved into the Crooks croft! Better yet maybe they both came from Normandy with William the Conquer as Robert Croc (Crooks) arrived in Paisley, Scotland to claim his patent in 1138. There are three other documents which can be helpful they are: Registry of Deeds 1701, Agricultural census 1734, and Rolls of Protestant householders 1740. These documents still exist, so you can try process of elimination; example if found in say 1734, but not listed in 1740, they moved or died. Trying to find ships passage is almost impossible as we were all subjects of the Crown (unless foreigners) and did not need passports or other documentation, which reminds me you might find their actual passage via Rotterdam and those passengers were all listed by name, they could have been Qyeen Anne's settlers and their are records of them existing. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Wilson" <wilso127@yahoo.com> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Antrim] Family interests: WISEMAN > Question for Gordon Crooks - > The "Heads and Hearths" book 1660-1669 for Antrim...is it indexed by > family name? I'd sure like to know if there is anyone named Wiseman listed > in that time period. My Wisemans were in Ballywatermoy, Ahoghill (now > Craigs) Township by 1800, but there seems to be some mystery as to when > the first Wisemans are recorded as having come to Antrim. The earliest > reference I've been given is for the name appearing sometime in the early > 18th Century in Carrickfergus. Some say that the first Wiseman in Ulster > was a Dutch or German mercenary in William of Orange's Army, and others > say that the name in Ireland originated from Wisemans who lived in the > North of Scotland and once had had some association with William the > Wallace. > Bob Wilson > Beaufort SC USA > > >> Ray: I recently went thru the Poll & Hearth Rolls of County Antrim >> 1669-69 >> and found five Crooks families, BUT which is mine, who knows. There is a >> edition of it published by S.T. Carleton, M.A. The full name is: Heads & >> Hearths: The Hearth money rolls and poll tax reurns for Co. Antrim >> 1660-69. I borrowed a copy from our Library of Congress, since you live >> in >> Canada I would suggest you contact your local library and they can track >> it down if available in Canada. I also have phot copies of all of the old >> maps showing the paqrishes towns etc. I couldn't find a listing for >> Kildrum, this might be a modern spelling and you would need to find the >> original spelling. > Gordon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ > countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >
Gordon - Just FYI, I have roots in Paisley as well, but I can't get back beyond 1802, when my gggrandfather John MacNeal (or any of various other spellings) was born there. Looking for MacNeal relations in Paisley today is like looking for Wilson relations in Ulster (another challenge/brick wall I have). All I have for the latter is that a Robert Wilson in my line was born there in 1826, with no county identification. It would be neat to claim an association or kinship with Woodrow Wilson, whose roots were in Carrickfergus, but I have nothing to even begin to substantiate that! I probably CAN get back to the Norman Conquest of Ireland via two names I have from County Wexford in the South (Redmond and Sutton), but again, there are so many people with those names in Wexford that makes it really difficult to establish any verifiable link. Bob gordon crooks <glcrooks@bcpl.net> wrote: Bob: I am sorry to say there is no index of names, however Ahoghill contains a lot of names as a matter of fact I have pretty well convienced myself that the Ahoghill Crooks were mine. The reason I say this is I used the cluster method. In my lineI have some rare Scots names Dunwoodie, Moorehead, Crunkleton along with McClure, McCrea, Beatty,& Wallace. I found Moorehead, Dunwoodie, & McClure very close to where the Crooks lived (less than a mile). Since families in the 1600-1700's tended to live, marry and die within their parish, this is convincing proof (not concrete-but as good as it's going to get). Perhaps your Wiseman moved into the Crooks croft! Better yet maybe they both came from Normandy with William the Conquer as Robert Croc (Crooks) arrived in Paisley, Scotland to claim his patent in 1138. There are three other documents which can be helpful they are: Registry of Deeds 1701, Agricultural census 1734, and Rolls of Protestant householders 1740. These documents still exist, so you can try process of elimination; example if found in say 1734, but not listed in 1740, they moved or died. Trying to find ships passage is almost impossible as we were all subjects of the Crown (unless foreigners) and did not need passports or other documentation, which reminds me you might find their actual passage via Rotterdam and those passengers were all listed by name, they could have been Qyeen Anne's settlers and their are records of them existing. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Wilson" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Antrim] Family interests: WISEMAN > Question for Gordon Crooks - > The "Heads and Hearths" book 1660-1669 for Antrim...is it indexed by > family name? I'd sure like to know if there is anyone named Wiseman listed > in that time period. My Wisemans were in Ballywatermoy, Ahoghill (now > Craigs) Township by 1800, but there seems to be some mystery as to when > the first Wisemans are recorded as having come to Antrim. The earliest > reference I've been given is for the name appearing sometime in the early > 18th Century in Carrickfergus. Some say that the first Wiseman in Ulster > was a Dutch or German mercenary in William of Orange's Army, and others > say that the name in Ireland originated from Wisemans who lived in the > North of Scotland and once had had some association with William the > Wallace. > Bob Wilson > Beaufort SC USA > > >> Ray: I recently went thru the Poll & Hearth Rolls of County Antrim >> 1669-69 >> and found five Crooks families, BUT which is mine, who knows. There is a >> edition of it published by S.T. Carleton, M.A. The full name is: Heads & >> Hearths: The Hearth money rolls and poll tax reurns for Co. Antrim >> 1660-69. I borrowed a copy from our Library of Congress, since you live >> in >> Canada I would suggest you contact your local library and they can track >> it down if available in Canada. I also have phot copies of all of the old >> maps showing the paqrishes towns etc. I couldn't find a listing for >> Kildrum, this might be a modern spelling and you would need to find the >> original spelling. > Gordon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ > countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.