You sounds as bad as me, however you get up pretty late fort me its about 5 a.m. and I try and hold out until 9 p.m. depending on what's on the idiot box and in my leather recliner which is very very comfortable! I was just kidding as I am a very sloppy typist all the time, I try and do a spell check when i remember. Godd on the scan, if you come up with anything I would be willing to pay for a research project. I haven't done much on the Crooks line as the brick wall has me stalled. Have been helping other and and have started a project to get the old settlers churches on the web, just finished getting a famous one on it which also has a Civil War history. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:31 PM Subject: It slipped..........Re: A good researcher : Re: [Antrim] (no subject) > 'cos I had been up from about 6am Gordon............and past 8-10pm any > night - I'm just too lazy/tired to re-read mails that I might be about to > send out. Nothing to do with hair days > > But - I know that you know how my spellings are earlier in my day - not > too bad > > Now............I owe you a scan, don't I? I'll be getting to it in the > next day or so. > > Take care, > > Jane > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> > To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:49 PM > Subject: Re: A good researcher : Re: [Antrim] (no subject) > > > Jane: You must have had a bad "hair day" as your spelling sliped a bit, > however I agree with what you had to say. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Does anyone have GATES family in NIR from 1750 to 1811? I am looking for Victor and Mary (HADDOCK) GATES who came to America in 1811 with thrie 7 children. I can not find them in NIR although I am told they were from Co. Tyrone. Perhaps they were in Co. Antrim. Thanks for your help. David David & Evalyn Demeaux 40705 Malibar Ave. Hemet, CA, 92544-7322 Ph: (951) 925-5505 Email: demeaux@yahoo.com

'cos I had been up from about 6am Gordon............and past 8-10pm any night - I'm just too lazy/tired to re-read mails that I might be about to send out. Nothing to do with hair days But - I know that you know how my spellings are earlier in my day - not too bad Now............I owe you a scan, don't I? I'll be getting to it in the next day or so. Take care, Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: Re: A good researcher : Re: [Antrim] (no subject) Jane: You must have had a bad "hair day" as your spelling sliped a bit, however I agree with what you had to say.

Sliped eh! ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: Re: A good researcher : Re: [Antrim] (no subject) Jane: You must have had a bad "hair day" as your spelling sliped a bit, however I agree with what you had to say. With few exceptions there are very few things which can be done well at a distance. I supply what info I have and hope the researcher will take it from there. The Adam & Eve part is for the birds, for anyone to believe that is both naive and brainless! Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: A good researcher : Re: [Antrim] (no subject) >A good researcher...... > > NO, - sorry Bess - a good researcher is not the person who wil search what > you ask for - that is an average to middling recsearcher - it's someone on > a lead/leash being told to search. > > A GOOD researcher will use their own initiaitive - their own instinct - > based on years of experience. > > My reading of this email from you - you are interested in a particular > 'clann' > > Clann (i.e. family.........or, family names - not the same as family > history/family genealogy) is not particularly in the realm of you ordinary > 'genealogical' researcher. It is much more in the line of Historical > Research. > > You say one thing here - that I, as a family history/genealogical > researcher based in Ireland - with total and absolute access to all Irish > records ,isagree with. You say "I traced Clann Cearnacháin back through > time, all the way to Adam and Eve! (You can do hat with the Irish)." > > I say - You CANNOT trace any Irish Clann back to Adam and Eve > > I cannot believe any word you say beyond that point. > > You are saying that Irish researchers areno good nad that yoiu can bring > you r family back to Adam and Eve - they can't. > > As for full time - I'm glad you were/are able to do that yourself - If you > stop and think about it - would you reallybe willing tp Pay a stranger 40 > Euro+ per hour to work for you on a full time basis > Jane > > ginal Message ----- > From: "Carnahan Ranch" <carnahanranch@starband.net> > To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Antrim] (no subject) > > > On the subject of researchers, both professional and amateur, I would like > to offer a bit of advice. > > If you want really good research, including chasing down blind alleys, > digging up bones, etc., DO IT YOURSELF! > > Good professional researchers will search what you ask for. BUT, they do > not chase down other leads, etc. > > In researching Clann Cearnacháin, Carnahan, Kernohan, etc., I hired > several > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

I wonder whether anyone is visiting PRONI and would kindly look up the following for me:- Lisburn, ANT. Christ Church (formerly Nicholson Memorial) - Proni Ref. 185 I am looking for Dunlop names between 1840 and 1870 (especially those in the 1850's) Many thanks and any help is greatly appreciated. Alma Burpengary, Queensland, Australia.

Carnahan: I am in the throes of a mean sinus attack and you are bring me joy! What would you say the odds were that the Kings having genealogists going around singing the praises and ancestry were shall we say slightly inaccurate!! Over here in the US we call that "puff stuff". Example there is a book about well known (according to them!) people who lived in this area. The problem is they or their ancestors paid for the publication and puffed it all up. One of mine did this and when I am down in the dumps I read it again, its good for a thousand belly laughs, some of it is even true!Genealogy is fact finding, not fiction! Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carnahan Ranch" <carnahanranch@starband.net> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: Re: A good researcher : Re: [Antrim] (no subject) > Okay folks, perhaps I mispoke or was misunderstood. You can trace a name > back to the beginning, using the Bible as a document at the early parts. > Direct line genealogy, no. It is pretty much stuck around 1400 when > records > began to be kept. > > I have traced the origin of the name Cearnacháin back to 400 AD using the > Annals of the Four Masters and other old dusty documents that St. Patrick > missed in his book burning party. > > The Celts were known to be a people who knew their genealogy back to the > beginning. Kings hired genealogists to recite their genealogies at fairs, > etc. Visiting Kings brought their own to to recite their own genealoties > as > well as look for errors in recitations of others. > > Granted, any good King embellished his own roots as long as he didn't get > caught.Sythians also were known for their keeping of genealogies. > > If you pooh-pooh the bible as an historical writing then you are right, > you > can't get past the last entry into bibliogical records. I choose to trace > Cearnachá back to the beginnings of the Annals of the Four Masters and > then > take up the bible as history from then back. > > As to the comment about tracing your ancestry back to William the > Conqueror, > I'd guess 50% of European stock can do that as well! After all, look at > what he conquered. > > I started tracing my hubby's roots back to the ancestor who came over from > Ireland. Once I hit the brick wall, I decided to trace the name. It took > 5 > years of intensive work, but it could be done in spite of what the > professionals said..."There were no records". > > There are virtually no Carnahans listed in the tax, muster, census rolls > of > the British in Ireland. So where were they? The professional > genealogists > I hired told me there were no records. They did tell me it was an ancient > Irish name. > And that was the end of it! > > Some of my research included line by line, word for word, reading of the > ancient works, including Keating's History of Ireland. If you want to > talk > history and/or genealogy, you must be intimately familiar with Keating who > is out of print. (Copies can be found for around $500 if you really > search). Also, you must be intimate with The Topographical Poems of > Seaghan > "mor" O"Dubhagain and Giolla Na Naomh O'Duidhrin plus ALL of the Annals of > the Four Masters. > > If you really want to get picky on Irish genealogy and name history, you > also must consider the ancient practice of fosterage which really made the > waters murky. > > Believe what you wish, but document your research. I did and found out a > great deal. Now I am addicted to ancient Irish History. What a ride! > > Contact me off list if you have any specific questions. I will be happy > to > exchange information. > > > > Bess Carnahan, researching Cearnacháin. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> > To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: A good researcher : Re: [Antrim] (no subject) > > >> Jane: You must have had a bad "hair day" as your spelling sliped a bit, >> however I agree with what you had to say. With few exceptions there are > very >> few things which can be done well at a distance. I supply what info I >> have >> and hope the researcher will take it from there. The Adam & Eve part is > for >> the birds, for anyone to believe that is both naive and brainless! >> >> Gordon >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie> >> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:30 PM >> Subject: A good researcher : Re: [Antrim] (no subject) >> >> >> >A good researcher...... >> > >> > NO, - sorry Bess - a good researcher is not the person who wil search > what >> > you ask for - that is an average to middling recsearcher - it's someone > on >> > a lead/leash being told to search. >> > >> > A GOOD researcher will use their own initiaitive - their own instinct - >> > based on years of experience. >> > >> > My reading of this email from you - you are interested in a particular >> > 'clann' >> > >> > Clann (i.e. family.........or, family names - not the same as family >> > history/family genealogy) is not particularly in the realm of you > ordinary >> > 'genealogical' researcher. It is much more in the line of Historical >> > Research. >> > >> > You say one thing here - that I, as a family history/genealogical >> > researcher based in Ireland - with total and absolute access to all > Irish >> > records ,isagree with. You say "I traced Clann Cearnacháin back >> > through >> > time, all the way to Adam and Eve! (You can do hat with the Irish)." >> > >> > I say - You CANNOT trace any Irish Clann back to Adam and Eve >> > >> > I cannot believe any word you say beyond that point. >> > >> > You are saying that Irish researchers areno good nad that yoiu can >> > bring >> > you r family back to Adam and Eve - they can't. >> > >> > As for full time - I'm glad you were/are able to do that yourself - If > you >> > stop and think about it - would you reallybe willing tp Pay a stranger > 40 >> > Euro+ per hour to work for you on a full time basis >> > Jane >> > >> > ginal Message ----- >> > From: "Carnahan Ranch" <carnahanranch@starband.net> >> > To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:58 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Antrim] (no subject) >> > >> > >> > On the subject of researchers, both professional and amateur, I would > like >> > to offer a bit of advice. >> > >> > If you want really good research, including chasing down blind alleys, >> > digging up bones, etc., DO IT YOURSELF! >> > >> > Good professional researchers will search what you ask for. BUT, they > do >> > not chase down other leads, etc. >> > >> > In researching Clann Cearnacháin, Carnahan, Kernohan, etc., I hired >> > several >> > >> > >> > ============================== >> > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> > New content added every business day. Learn more: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Jane: You must have had a bad "hair day" as your spelling sliped a bit, however I agree with what you had to say. With few exceptions there are very few things which can be done well at a distance. I supply what info I have and hope the researcher will take it from there. The Adam & Eve part is for the birds, for anyone to believe that is both naive and brainless! Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: A good researcher : Re: [Antrim] (no subject) >A good researcher...... > > NO, - sorry Bess - a good researcher is not the person who wil search what > you ask for - that is an average to middling recsearcher - it's someone on > a lead/leash being told to search. > > A GOOD researcher will use their own initiaitive - their own instinct - > based on years of experience. > > My reading of this email from you - you are interested in a particular > 'clann' > > Clann (i.e. family.........or, family names - not the same as family > history/family genealogy) is not particularly in the realm of you ordinary > 'genealogical' researcher. It is much more in the line of Historical > Research. > > You say one thing here - that I, as a family history/genealogical > researcher based in Ireland - with total and absolute access to all Irish > records ,isagree with. You say "I traced Clann Cearnacháin back through > time, all the way to Adam and Eve! (You can do hat with the Irish)." > > I say - You CANNOT trace any Irish Clann back to Adam and Eve > > I cannot believe any word you say beyond that point. > > You are saying that Irish researchers areno good nad that yoiu can bring > you r family back to Adam and Eve - they can't. > > As for full time - I'm glad you were/are able to do that yourself - If you > stop and think about it - would you reallybe willing tp Pay a stranger 40 > Euro+ per hour to work for you on a full time basis > Jane > > ginal Message ----- > From: "Carnahan Ranch" <carnahanranch@starband.net> > To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Antrim] (no subject) > > > On the subject of researchers, both professional and amateur, I would like > to offer a bit of advice. > > If you want really good research, including chasing down blind alleys, > digging up bones, etc., DO IT YOURSELF! > > Good professional researchers will search what you ask for. BUT, they do > not chase down other leads, etc. > > In researching Clann Cearnacháin, Carnahan, Kernohan, etc., I hired > several > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

Okay folks, perhaps I mispoke or was misunderstood. You can trace a name back to the beginning, using the Bible as a document at the early parts. Direct line genealogy, no. It is pretty much stuck around 1400 when records began to be kept. I have traced the origin of the name Cearnacháin back to 400 AD using the Annals of the Four Masters and other old dusty documents that St. Patrick missed in his book burning party. The Celts were known to be a people who knew their genealogy back to the beginning. Kings hired genealogists to recite their genealogies at fairs, etc. Visiting Kings brought their own to to recite their own genealoties as well as look for errors in recitations of others. Granted, any good King embellished his own roots as long as he didn't get caught.Sythians also were known for their keeping of genealogies. If you pooh-pooh the bible as an historical writing then you are right, you can't get past the last entry into bibliogical records. I choose to trace Cearnachá back to the beginnings of the Annals of the Four Masters and then take up the bible as history from then back. As to the comment about tracing your ancestry back to William the Conqueror, I'd guess 50% of European stock can do that as well! After all, look at what he conquered. I started tracing my hubby's roots back to the ancestor who came over from Ireland. Once I hit the brick wall, I decided to trace the name. It took 5 years of intensive work, but it could be done in spite of what the professionals said..."There were no records". There are virtually no Carnahans listed in the tax, muster, census rolls of the British in Ireland. So where were they? The professional genealogists I hired told me there were no records. They did tell me it was an ancient Irish name. And that was the end of it! Some of my research included line by line, word for word, reading of the ancient works, including Keating's History of Ireland. If you want to talk history and/or genealogy, you must be intimately familiar with Keating who is out of print. (Copies can be found for around $500 if you really search). Also, you must be intimate with The Topographical Poems of Seaghan "mor" O"Dubhagain and Giolla Na Naomh O'Duidhrin plus ALL of the Annals of the Four Masters. If you really want to get picky on Irish genealogy and name history, you also must consider the ancient practice of fosterage which really made the waters murky. Believe what you wish, but document your research. I did and found out a great deal. Now I am addicted to ancient Irish History. What a ride! Contact me off list if you have any specific questions. I will be happy to exchange information. Bess Carnahan, researching Cearnacháin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: Re: A good researcher : Re: [Antrim] (no subject) > Jane: You must have had a bad "hair day" as your spelling sliped a bit, > however I agree with what you had to say. With few exceptions there are very > few things which can be done well at a distance. I supply what info I have > and hope the researcher will take it from there. The Adam & Eve part is for > the birds, for anyone to believe that is both naive and brainless! > > Gordon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie> > To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:30 PM > Subject: A good researcher : Re: [Antrim] (no subject) > > > >A good researcher...... > > > > NO, - sorry Bess - a good researcher is not the person who wil search what > > you ask for - that is an average to middling recsearcher - it's someone on > > a lead/leash being told to search. > > > > A GOOD researcher will use their own initiaitive - their own instinct - > > based on years of experience. > > > > My reading of this email from you - you are interested in a particular > > 'clann' > > > > Clann (i.e. family.........or, family names - not the same as family > > history/family genealogy) is not particularly in the realm of you ordinary > > 'genealogical' researcher. It is much more in the line of Historical > > Research. > > > > You say one thing here - that I, as a family history/genealogical > > researcher based in Ireland - with total and absolute access to all Irish > > records ,isagree with. You say "I traced Clann Cearnacháin back through > > time, all the way to Adam and Eve! (You can do hat with the Irish)." > > > > I say - You CANNOT trace any Irish Clann back to Adam and Eve > > > > I cannot believe any word you say beyond that point. > > > > You are saying that Irish researchers areno good nad that yoiu can bring > > you r family back to Adam and Eve - they can't. > > > > As for full time - I'm glad you were/are able to do that yourself - If you > > stop and think about it - would you reallybe willing tp Pay a stranger 40 > > Euro+ per hour to work for you on a full time basis > > Jane > > > > ginal Message ----- > > From: "Carnahan Ranch" <carnahanranch@starband.net> > > To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [Antrim] (no subject) > > > > > > On the subject of researchers, both professional and amateur, I would like > > to offer a bit of advice. > > > > If you want really good research, including chasing down blind alleys, > > digging up bones, etc., DO IT YOURSELF! > > > > Good professional researchers will search what you ask for. BUT, they do > > not chase down other leads, etc. > > > > In researching Clann Cearnacháin, Carnahan, Kernohan, etc., I hired > > several > > > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Brian many thanks for the information i will ring them tomorrow and with any luck they can help me,if you can check the obits i would be grateful,the names are as follows 1 Catherine Hughes died approx 10th March 1955 and lived in Dimsdale St in Belfast 2 James Hughes died sometime in Aug (we think) circa 1939 again he lived in Dimsdale St in Belfast hope you can help and again many thanks for your invaluable help Michael

With sincere apologies to the listowner, may I please post the following message? Anyone who has sent me an e-mail in the last week and is waiting for a reply, would you please re-send your message? I have had a major computer meltdown and have lost everything. I will be able to reply to you now on my back-up computer but I will need your messages to refer to. Sincere apologies for any inconvenience caused. Kind Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore

hello i need a quick fix answer ,my grandparents are buried in milltown cemetery(somewhere) in belfast and i would like to know is it possible for them to check where the plots are by using their records,can i do this online,is there a charge for this service.I have the approx dates of death/birth ,as far as i know the graves are unmarked hence the difficulty thanks in advance for the advice mike

Hello Everyone, Could anyone please advise me whether there is/was a school named Christ Church School in Belfast? If so, what part of Belfast and would the school register be available? I am looking for a family of Dunlops who were supposed to have been educated at this school. Two boys in the family (born 1846 and 1853) founded a very successful business in Bradford, Yorkshire in 1881, after working for Messrs. Ward and Hodgkinson, Hackle and Gill Makers of Belfast, when they left school. Hoping someone can help me. Kind regards Alma Willis

Michael, If you know the date of death / burial, they should be able to give you the plot number. If you want to know further details as to who owns the plot and who is buried there, they charge 15 pounds. If you tell me the date of death + names, I can check out the newspaper obits in case there is further information. Brian michael McKenna <michael.mckenna1@ntlworld.com> wrote: hello i need a quick fix answer ,my grandparents are buried in milltown cemetery(somewhere) in belfast and i would like to know is it possible for them to check where the plots are by using their records,can i do this online,is there a charge for this service.I have the approx dates of death/birth ,as far as i know the graves are unmarked hence the difficulty thanks in advance for the advice mike --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour

Dr. Jane Lyons Sent: 17 May 2005 02:30 > a good researcher is not the person who will search what > you ask for - that is an average to middling researcher > - it's someone on a lead/leash being told to search. Totally agree > A GOOD researcher will use their own initiaitive - their > own instinct - based on years of experience. As someone who carries out research in a non-genealogical field, it is great to hear that genealogical research is no different. I am paid to use my skill and experience to "furtle around" to find one or more answers - positive or negative. If told where to search (by someone's whose expertise I respect), I use that as guidance - not as a rule. I am looking at paying a researcher to look for traces of my family in, or around, a village in Yorkshire in the 17th century, and before. Whilst I will tell that person what I have to date, I'm relying on them knowing where to look. I'm also relying on them to correctly annotate the results with such as probable accuracy. > I say - You CANNOT trace any Irish Clann back to Adam > and Eve I'm sceptical of results in England purporting to trace families back to William the Conqueror. Some can - but they are a small minority. As I start my investigation in Ireland, I will gradually learn just what can be expected their. I would suspect that documentary proof going back a thousand years is difficult enough to find - let alone the tens of thousands necessary to track back to "Eve" in Africa. > As for full time - I'm glad you were/are able to do that > yourself - If you stop and think about it - would you > really be willing to pay a stranger 40 Euro+ per hour to > work for you on a full time basis I wish ... Chris

A good researcher...... NO, - sorry Bess - a good researcher is not the person who wil search what you ask for - that is an average to middling recsearcher - it's someone on a lead/leash being told to search. A GOOD researcher will use their own initiaitive - their own instinct - based on years of experience. My reading of this email from you - you are interested in a particular 'clann' Clann (i.e. family.........or, family names - not the same as family history/family genealogy) is not particularly in the realm of you ordinary 'genealogical' researcher. It is much more in the line of Historical Research. You say one thing here - that I, as a family history/genealogical researcher based in Ireland - with total and absolute access to all Irish records ,isagree with. You say "I traced Clann Cearnacháin back through time, all the way to Adam and Eve! (You can do hat with the Irish)." I say - You CANNOT trace any Irish Clann back to Adam and Eve I cannot believe any word you say beyond that point. You are saying that Irish researchers areno good nad that yoiu can bring you r family back to Adam and Eve - they can't. As for full time - I'm glad you were/are able to do that yourself - If you stop and think about it - would you reallybe willing tp Pay a stranger 40 Euro+ per hour to work for you on a full time basis Jane ginal Message ----- From: "Carnahan Ranch" <carnahanranch@starband.net> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Antrim] (no subject) On the subject of researchers, both professional and amateur, I would like to offer a bit of advice. If you want really good research, including chasing down blind alleys, digging up bones, etc., DO IT YOURSELF! Good professional researchers will search what you ask for. BUT, they do not chase down other leads, etc. In researching Clann Cearnacháin, Carnahan, Kernohan, etc., I hired several

On the subject of researchers, both professional and amateur, I would like to offer a bit of advice. If you want really good research, including chasing down blind alleys, digging up bones, etc., DO IT YOURSELF! Good professional researchers will search what you ask for. BUT, they do not chase down other leads, etc. In researching Clann Cearnacháin, Carnahan, Kernohan, etc., I hired several professional researchers over the years. None of them found anything of use regarding the ancient history of the Clan. In fact, many told me there was no info available. When I took on the project myself, virtually full time, I traced Clann Cearnacháin back through time, all the way to Adam and Eve! (You can do that with the Irish). Found where they were from, where they went, why, etc. Also found out what they were doing in Antrim. They were NOT from Antrim, but most researchers tell you they were from Antrim. It did cost me a small fortune as I live in the middle of nowhere Wyoming without access to any decent libraries. But it was worth it. There are no short cuts for real research. Best of luck to all. Bess Carnahan, researching Clann Cearnacháin, Carnahan, Kernohan. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gliggyam@aol.com> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 3:36 PM Subject: [Antrim] (no subject) > Hello to all, > > Below you will see a message that I received from another person in regard > to my circumstance of paying a researcher and getting nothing in return. > I followed her advice and filed a complaint.Read on,it is very enlightening. > And many thanks to all that sent messages in regard to my dilemma. > > Denise............Original Message Below > > X-Message: #17 > Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:59:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: Joy Rich <joyrichny@yahoo.com> > To: NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20050514195907.54261.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Bklyn] Slightly Off-Topic--Paying for a Researcher > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > This kind of situation makes reputable professional genealogists cringe. > > Professional genealogists have a "trade" organization, the Association of > Professional Genealogists. http://www.apgen.org/ APG has over 1500 members. If > any of its members are in violation of its Code of Ethics, published at > http://www.apgen.org/ethics/CodeofEthicsBrochure.pdf, APG wants to be told about > it. > > Contact information for filing a complaint is at > http://apgen.org/contacts/index.html. > > Denise, if the person you did business with is a member of APG, I encourage > you to let APG know. If the person isn't an APG member, I encourage you to > notify the Better Business Bureau, as you mentioned. > > Joy Rich > Member, APG > > Gliggyam@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > While not wanting (as they say) to bash anyone I'd like to make a couple > of comments in regard to paying someone to do research for you. > Recently I had the experience of contacting a person on one of the lists > that stated they search the Albany Archives on a regular basis. I inquired > of > the fee and the costs of certificates. Being on a limited income due to > disability I agreed to the amount. The person also agreed to allow me to pay > the > next month for the second certificate I had asked for. > To make this long story short. I got no certificates. They had excuse > after excuse. They even had different numbers on the certificate for > reference in > all of my e-mails. > Now I'm mad, leary and embarrassed all at the same time as well as being > out $75. Mad as heck because someone took advantage of my trust in people, > Leary of ever trying to pay a researcher again and embarrassed that I don't > or > didn't have the common sense to check out possibly the Better Business > Bureau. > I have since found a way to check the validity of an address.Zaba Search. > Com is great. If I had known sooner I would have seen that this person was > listed under their correct name but various middle initials all at the same > address.However,they used a post office box in the same zip-code as their > regular mailing address. > Anyway, be careful. Check out their credentials if possible. By all > means, do the legwork yourself if you can.Where I am, the FHC is over an > hour > away, no buses, no taxis, have to go down the mountain.(I'm not in the > states. > So, to the people that get pleasure of ripping other people off in our > genealogical searches? Shame on you!!! It's people like you that cause much > undue grief for others. > I'm going to send this to all of the lists that I belong to. If one > person is saved the aggravation that I've had then that will make me feel > somewhat better. > > Regards to all from a fellow searcher > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hello to all, Below you will see a message that I received from another person in regard to my circumstance of paying a researcher and getting nothing in return. I followed her advice and filed a complaint.Read on,it is very enlightening. And many thanks to all that sent messages in regard to my dilemma. Denise............Original Message Below X-Message: #17 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:59:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Joy Rich <joyrichny@yahoo.com> To: NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20050514195907.54261.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Bklyn] Slightly Off-Topic--Paying for a Researcher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This kind of situation makes reputable professional genealogists cringe. Professional genealogists have a "trade" organization, the Association of Professional Genealogists. http://www.apgen.org/ APG has over 1500 members. If any of its members are in violation of its Code of Ethics, published at http://www.apgen.org/ethics/CodeofEthicsBrochure.pdf, APG wants to be told about it. Contact information for filing a complaint is at http://apgen.org/contacts/index.html. Denise, if the person you did business with is a member of APG, I encourage you to let APG know. If the person isn't an APG member, I encourage you to notify the Better Business Bureau, as you mentioned. Joy Rich Member, APG Gliggyam@aol.com wrote: Hi All, While not wanting (as they say) to bash anyone I'd like to make a couple of comments in regard to paying someone to do research for you. Recently I had the experience of contacting a person on one of the lists that stated they search the Albany Archives on a regular basis. I inquired of the fee and the costs of certificates. Being on a limited income due to disability I agreed to the amount. The person also agreed to allow me to pay the next month for the second certificate I had asked for. To make this long story short. I got no certificates. They had excuse after excuse. They even had different numbers on the certificate for reference in all of my e-mails. Now I'm mad, leary and embarrassed all at the same time as well as being out $75. Mad as heck because someone took advantage of my trust in people, Leary of ever trying to pay a researcher again and embarrassed that I don't or didn't have the common sense to check out possibly the Better Business Bureau. I have since found a way to check the validity of an address.Zaba Search. Com is great. If I had known sooner I would have seen that this person was listed under their correct name but various middle initials all at the same address.However,they used a post office box in the same zip-code as their regular mailing address. Anyway, be careful. Check out their credentials if possible. By all means, do the legwork yourself if you can.Where I am, the FHC is over an hour away, no buses, no taxis, have to go down the mountain.(I'm not in the states. So, to the people that get pleasure of ripping other people off in our genealogical searches? Shame on you!!! It's people like you that cause much undue grief for others. I'm going to send this to all of the lists that I belong to. If one person is saved the aggravation that I've had then that will make me feel somewhat better. Regards to all from a fellow searcher

Could anyone please give me any information on the Christ Church School in Belfast? Kind regards Alma Willis

Hi All, While not wanting (as they say) to bash anyone I'd like to make a couple of comments in regard to paying someone to do research for you. Recently I had the experience of contacting a person on one of the lists that stated they search the Albany Archives on a regular basis. I inquired of the fee and the costs of certificates. Being on a limited income due to disability I agreed to the amount. The person also agreed to allow me to pay the next month for the second certificate I had asked for. To make this long story short. I got no certificates. They had excuse after excuse. They even had different numbers on the certificate for reference in all of my e-mails. Now I'm mad, leary and embarrassed all at the same time as well as being out $75. Mad as heck because someone took advantage of my trust in people, Leary of ever trying to pay a researcher again and embarrassed that I don't or didn't have the common sense to check out possibly the Better Business Bureau. I have since found a way to check the validity of an address.Zaba Search. Com is great. If I had known sooner I would have seen that this person was listed under their correct name but various middle initials all at the same address.However,they used a post office box in the same zip-code as their regular mailing address. Anyway, be careful. Check out their credentials if possible. By all means, do the legwork yourself if you can.Where I am, the FHC is over an hour away, no buses, no taxis, have to go down the mountain.(I'm not in the states. So, to the people that get pleasure of ripping other people off in our genealogical searches? Shame on you!!! It's people like you that cause much undue grief for others. I'm going to send this to all of the lists that I belong to. If one person is saved the aggravation that I've had then that will make me feel somewhat better. Regards to all from a fellow searcher Denise

Church Photos on my web site at the link below. Alternatively, type: Jean McCarthy into the GOOGLE search engine for a direct link. I have added twenty two more photographs to the church photos pages on my web site. These have been kindly donated by Bill in Ontario who sent a photo of the Church of Ireland in Aghalee, also known as Soldierstown Church. His g-g-grandparents were married in this church in 1846. Bill would like to give credit to Mr. David Twigg, a parishioner who provided photos and a history of the church. This is a particularly beautiful picture taken in the snow. It looks like a lovely Christmas card. The other twenty one wonderful photographs were kindly donated by Russell in Idaho. Russell’s new photos are of: Church of Ireland St. Patrick Cathedral Armagh City, Galway Cathedral, St Brendan's Church Coolock Town Nr. Dublin, St. Colman's Cathedral Cobh County Cork, St. George in St. Mary's Convent Limerick, St. Manchans Church Near Tullymore, Convent of Mercy Charleville, Kylemore Abbey near Connamara Coast, Monastery near Clarinbridge County Galway, An old Spanish Church on the coast of Sligo, McAuley House Baggott Street Dublin. There are a dozen or so more photos on Russell’s pages that are too numerous to put in detail here. Russell’s explanation of the photographs is fascinating. Very many sincere thanks to Bill and Russell. There is now a complete list of the names of the churches whose photographs are on my web site. The link to this list is on the very first page of the Church photos page. To find Bill’s Church of Ireland Aghalee photo follow the links and it is on the very latest photos page four at the bottom. Russell’s photos are on the next link from the same page. There are two pages of Russell’ s photos. Kindest Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore. Staffordshire, England. My own main names of interest: MOORE, (Ireland, Canada & Australia) BOWDEN, (Ireland, New Zealand, Tasmania & Australia) HAWTHORNE. (Ireland and Pennsylvania) In Co Down, Co Armagh & Co Antrim Ireland: McCALLISTER, McAULEY, FLINN, STRAIN, SPRATT, McCLENAGHAN & KENNEDY. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/