Walt, Many many thanks for sending me the correct Url for map and parish listings for County Antrim. It looks to me that if my aunt is correct with her description of the location of her grandparents, I would be looking in the townlands below Belfast--also in Drumbeg and Blaris. Notice that you have NJ and MA indicated by your name--assume that's where your ancestors in this country are located. I grew up in MA where my mother 's family lived, my father also a John PHILLIPS grew up in NJ. Again, many thanks for your help. Joan in Tucson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt McKENZIE, Sr." <WaltIrish@comcast.net> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Antrim] Locating JOHN PHILLIPS near Lisbur/Belfast > Hi Joan , > http://www.proni.gov.uk/geogindx/antr.htm > > Looks like your right on track. Above url as follows: 72-Shankill cp, > small semi-circle within 72 = Belfast(not shown), 32-Drumbeg, 20-Blaris > & Lisburn south of Blaris. There is one 24 = Townparks > ( http://www.seanruad.com/ ) a municip. boro of Belfast in No.Shankill > cp, Co.Antrim but none in Co.Down. Walt-NJ-MA-USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Eddy" <eddyjoan@comcast.net> > To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:43 PM > Subject: [Antrim] Locating JOHN PHILLIPS near Lisbur/Belfast > > >>I am trying to locate my great grandfather in Northern Ireland. My aunt left >>a very sketchy pedigree chart saying he was born between Lisburn and Belfast >>and went to school in Belfast. >> >> On Griffiths Valuation Index dated 1863 (the year John emigrated to the US, >> age 20, occupation: weaver, came on the ship "Mary Edson" arriving in US in >> Sept. 1863 with sister, Esther, brother Thomas, Thomas's wife and three small >> children) it shows several John PHILLIPS, one in County Down, Parish Drumbeg, >> Location: Drennan, another in County Antrim, Parish Blaris, Location: Old >> Warren, another also from County Antrim, Parish, Location: Old >> Warren/T/Lisburn/Longstone Street. >> >> There are also several from County Antrim, Parish of Shankill. Now I am not >> certain if the Parish of Shankill was "between Lisburn and Belfast." My >> great great grandfather was also John PHILLIPS, so I believe the name in >> Griffiths 1863 would be his--as his son, my great grandfather, was only 20, >> single and probably living with his parents. His brother Thomas however >> might be on the Valuation as he was age 26 and married with children in 1863. >> However, the only Thomas I find anywhere close to Lisburn/Belfast is a Thomas >> PHILLIPS in County Antrim, Parish Shankill, Location: Smithfield Townparks >> Torrens Market. Under Location is "Comment: and Others." Am not sure what >> this could mean. I am trying to make some connection between John and Thomas >> and would like to know more about the location of Parish Shankill. >> >> I do have other sibling names, but none of those show on the Valuation Index. >> >> Any advice on how to proceed to make the connection would be most >> appreciated. >> >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.5/32 - Release Date: 6/27/2005 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.5/32 - Release Date: 6/27/2005 > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Hi Joan , http://www.proni.gov.uk/geogindx/antr.htm Looks like your right on track. Above url as follows: 72-Shankill cp, small semi-circle within 72 = Belfast(not shown), 32-Drumbeg, 20-Blaris & Lisburn south of Blaris. There is one 24 = Townparks ( http://www.seanruad.com/ ) a municip. boro of Belfast in No.Shankill cp, Co.Antrim but none in Co.Down. Walt-NJ-MA-USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Eddy" <eddyjoan@comcast.net> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:43 PM Subject: [Antrim] Locating JOHN PHILLIPS near Lisbur/Belfast >I am trying to locate my great grandfather in Northern Ireland. My aunt left a very sketchy >pedigree chart saying he was born between Lisburn and Belfast and went to school in Belfast. > > On Griffiths Valuation Index dated 1863 (the year John emigrated to the US, age 20, > occupation: weaver, came on the ship "Mary Edson" arriving in US in Sept. 1863 with sister, > Esther, brother Thomas, Thomas's wife and three small children) it shows several John > PHILLIPS, one in County Down, Parish Drumbeg, Location: Drennan, another in County Antrim, > Parish Blaris, Location: Old Warren, another also from County Antrim, Parish, Location: Old > Warren/T/Lisburn/Longstone Street. > > There are also several from County Antrim, Parish of Shankill. Now I am not certain if the > Parish of Shankill was "between Lisburn and Belfast." My great great grandfather was also > John PHILLIPS, so I believe the name in Griffiths 1863 would be his--as his son, my great > grandfather, was only 20, single and probably living with his parents. His brother Thomas > however might be on the Valuation as he was age 26 and married with children in 1863. > However, the only Thomas I find anywhere close to Lisburn/Belfast is a Thomas PHILLIPS in > County Antrim, Parish Shankill, Location: Smithfield Townparks Torrens Market. Under Location > is "Comment: and Others." Am not sure what this could mean. I am trying to make some > connection between John and Thomas and would like to know more about the location of Parish > Shankill. > > I do have other sibling names, but none of those show on the Valuation Index. > > Any advice on how to proceed to make the connection would be most appreciated. > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.5/32 - Release Date: 6/27/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.5/32 - Release Date: 6/27/2005

I am trying to locate my great grandfather in Northern Ireland. My aunt left a very sketchy pedigree chart saying he was born between Lisburn and Belfast and went to school in Belfast. On Griffiths Valuation Index dated 1863 (the year John emigrated to the US, age 20, occupation: weaver, came on the ship "Mary Edson" arriving in US in Sept. 1863 with sister, Esther, brother Thomas, Thomas's wife and three small children) it shows several John PHILLIPS, one in County Down, Parish Drumbeg, Location: Drennan, another in County Antrim, Parish Blaris, Location: Old Warren, another also from County Antrim, Parish, Location: Old Warren/T/Lisburn/Longstone Street. There are also several from County Antrim, Parish of Shankill. Now I am not certain if the Parish of Shankill was "between Lisburn and Belfast." My great great grandfather was also John PHILLIPS, so I believe the name in Griffiths 1863 would be his--as his son, my great grandfather, was only 20, single and probably living with his parents. His brother Thomas however might be on the Valuation as he was age 26 and married with children in 1863. However, the only Thomas I find anywhere close to Lisburn/Belfast is a Thomas PHILLIPS in County Antrim, Parish Shankill, Location: Smithfield Townparks Torrens Market. Under Location is "Comment: and Others." Am not sure what this could mean. I am trying to make some connection between John and Thomas and would like to know more about the location of Parish Shankill. I do have other sibling names, but none of those show on the Valuation Index. Any advice on how to proceed to make the connection would be most appreciated.

Church Photos on my web site at the link below. I have added fifteen more church photographs to the church photos pages on my web site. These have been kindly donated by my friend Ruth in County Armagh. The new photos are: St Matthews Church of Ireland Richill County Armagh, Methodist Church Richill Armagh, Reformed Presbyterian Church (Covenanters) Loughbrickland, Scarva Street R. C. Church Loughbrickland, St Matthews Parish Church (C of I) Scarva, Ballymore Parish Church Tandragee Co Armagh, Richill Presbyterian Church (Old), Richill Presbyterian Church (New), St Lukes Church of Ireland Loughall, and Ahorey Presbyterian Church (Established in 1786 Extended in 1958) Thank you so very much indeed Ruth for sharing these wonderful photographs with us all. To view Ruth’s page of church photos, click on church photos and you will see the link to Ruth’s page near the top of the page. I have also updated the list of church names whose photos are on my web site. The link to the list is at the top of the first page of Church photos. Kind Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore. Staffordshire, England. My own main names of interest: MOORE, (Ireland, Canada & Australia) BOWDEN, (Ireland, New Zealand, Tasmania & Australia) HAWTHORNE. (Ireland and Pennsylvania) In Co Down, Co Armagh & Co Antrim Ireland: McCALLISTER, McAULEY, FLINN, STRAIN, SPRATT, McCLENAGHAN & KENNEDY. _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/)

How true are all your suppositions! One more is that we don't know WHO answered the questions at any given home. Could have been a teen-ager while the mother was feeding the baby and the father was out in the fields. One surprise I found was discovered only when I found my great-grandmother, Juliette, as a baby in 1880 Chicago. She was listed as step daughter, Julia Pozner, age 10 months, of Julius Pozner, age 22, and wife Catrine (Kathleen O'Sullivan) Pozner, age 21, in 14th Ward of Cook County, IL. A son, Joseph was 2. Because I have never found a marriage between Kathleen and Julius (Jules), but did meet in the 1930s and 1940s Juliette's brother' Joseph, who was listed simply as son, I have tried to prove both births. So far, I have had no luck. But it shows again what you always say "Look at the original." The Soundex shows Juliette as daughter (not step-daughter) but full census is definitely step-dau.) Alice McCabe in Georgia

This recent writing is food for thought as many of us have been caught, sadly many after years of research [Me for one!]. Re-Posted with permission [See Footer] Best Wishes & Musing Don in Melbourne AU BEYOND THE INDEX: - "FROM THEIR MOUTH TO YOUR COMPUTER SCREEN," By Michael John Neill While it would be nice for our ancestors' information to instantly appear on the computer screen, most of us know that it simply does not work that way. This week we take a look at the steps that data took to get from our ancestors' mouth to our computer monitor. Being aware of these steps is crucial to effectively searching for ancestors in transcriptions, indexes, and other finding aids. FROM THE ANCESTOR'S MOUTH Few of us were present when our ancestor gave the answers to the census taker or the records clerk. There is no way for us to know exactly what question came out of the clerk's mouth and how this question was interpreted by our ancestor, particularly if he or she could barely understand the language the records clerk used. Even if the ancestor understood the question perfectly, there are additional considerations. Did the person answering questions have a German accent? Did she have an Irish brogue? Did he insert a guttural sound into the name that might have been interpreted as an extra letter? Did your ancestor have difficulty speaking? Did your ancestor fail to give complete answers? Did your ancestor even really understand the questions, even if they spoke the same language? TO THE CLERK'S EAR Did the clerk ask for clarification or just spell a name the way it sounded? Did he even care if he spelled the name correctly? Did he spell your Danish ancestor's last name the way a Swede would spell it because many other immigrants to the area were Swedish and not Danish? Did the clerk say the question in a way that was confusing to your ancestor? Did the clerk have difficulty understanding your ancestor and wrote down his best guess instead of clarifying the answer with your ancestor? Was the census taker a German native who insisted on spelling even the English language last names the "German way?" Did the records clerk put down "Germany" as the place of birth because that was easier than writing down Wildbrechtrode, Thuringen, Germany? TO THE OFFICIAL DOCUMENT Did the clerk have handwriting that was very flourished and difficult to read? Was his handwriting sloppy? Did his letter "u" look like a letter "n?" Did he use an ink or a pencil that has faded over time? Was the document written on low-quality paper? Is there an inkblot right over the most crucial word in the entire document? TO BE FILED AWAY Many of the documents used by genealogists were not originally stored under the most ideal conditions for long-term preservation. Some are still not stored under such conditions. Extreme heat or cold, mildew, water, insects, or other environmental factors could easily have impacted the condition of the records used to create an index or a finding aid. Bottoms of pages may have worn away after years of use. Pages may have fallen out and gotten lost as the binding of the book deteriorated beyond repair. Does the transcription of finding aid you are using make it clear whether such issues were encountered when the records were read? Were original documents folded, creating an illegible line of text that invariably is the most important line in the entire document. TO THE TRANSCRIPTIONIST'S EYE Is the indexer using the original document or a microfilm copy? Is that microfilmed copy the only copy and a poor copy at that? Is the transcriptionist familiar with the last names of the area or the language the individuals listed in the records likely spoke? I recently helped someone find their family in the 1880 census only and realized that the last name of Pundt had been transcribed as Bennet. When the microfilm was viewed, it was easy to see how the interpretation was made. I might have thought it was Bennet myself. The handwriting was faint, the "B" was difficult to read and the other letters before the final "t" were not clear. I would not have read it as Pundt, but it was (based upon the first names that all matched the family group of the researcher). TO THE DATABASE ENTRY Those who key in data occasionally make a mistake. For this reason, vary which search box you leave empty when performing online searches. Use wildcard operators and Soundex options when available. And if the records are not impossible to search one at a time, consider a manual search of the information page by page. You never know what you might discover. TO THE RESEARCHER'S SEARCH TECHNIQUE Are you considering all the possible variant spellings? Is there a chance that you do not understand completely how the search interface works? Are you assuming something about your ancestor that is not true and is this assumption hindering your search? If an online database is being used, are as few search boxes as possible being filled in? The more boxes that are completed when performing a search, the more narrow the search and the greater the chance the desired entry is not located. Failure to find the desired entry in an online finding aid is not always the fault of the researcher. Sometimes our ancestor is just not in the records. Sometimes he gave misleading information. Sometimes the clerk did not care how the name was spelled. Sometimes the keeper of the records was not concerned with preserving the records. Sometimes the transcriptionist makes a mistake. It is those sometimes that get us in trouble. Think about all the steps that information took from your ancestor's mouth to your computer screen. Remembering these steps may help you to keep your failed searches in perspective. ADDITIONAL READING FROM THIS COLUMN "Do You Ear What I Ear?" HYPERLINK "http://www.rootdig.com/adn/earwhatiear.html"http://www.rootdig.com/adn/earw hatiear.html The Census Taker Cometh HYPERLINK "http://www.rootdig.com/adn/census_man_comes.html"http://www.rootdig.com/adn /census_man_comes.html Re-posted by Don Johnston in Melbourne AU subject to the following: (Copyright 1998-2005, MyFamily.com, Inc. and its subsidiaries.), and cite the "Ancestry Daily News" (HYPERLINK "http://www.ancestry.com/dailynews"http://www.ancestry.com/dailynews ) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.5 - Release Date: 7/06/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.5 - Release Date: 7/06/2005

A subject line change here............... but not the subject as such. I've been thinking about this for a while - but only in relation to the Griffiths. There are so many obvious name mistakes that one sees as one works ones way through a whole parish using the original typed up version. and that typed up verion as created by a person reading the oroginal handwritten document. I'd be willing to bet L50 to a penny as the saying goes that if I was to look at the original I'd find different to the typed up version Same as with 1901 census enumerator sheets - a surname or name spelled one way on the numerator sheet -but actually different on the form filled in by the person who lived at any address. I'm looking at al these things now -and thinking more and more to myself - it all depends on who the clerk fdor A, B, or C was, how they spelled a name (regardless of how it was spelled locally) - how they spell it - that's what you get.............. and then in transcription - it depends on the transcribers spelling of said name And overall they may be totally different from the original, Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Johnston" <petenv@optusnet.com.au> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [Antrim] From Their Mouth To Your Computer Screen > This recent writing is food for thought as many of us have been caught, > sadly many after years of research [Me for one!]. >

Church Photos on my web site at the link below. I have added nine more church photographs to the church photos pages on my web site. These have been kindly donated by John in Canada. The new photos are: Church of Ireland Greyabbey Church of Ireland Newtownards Greyabbey Reformed Presbyterian Church Newtownards (Covenanters) St Comgalls Church Bangor St John's Coleraine St Malachys Coleraine St Patricks Newtownards Strean Presbyterian Church Newtownards Thank you so very much indeed John for sharing these wonderful photographs with us all. To view John’s page of church photos, click on church photos and you will see the link to John’s page near the top of the page. I have also updated the list of church names whose photos are on my web site. The link to the list is at the top of the first page of Church photos. Kind Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore. Staffordshire, England. My own main names of interest: MOORE, (Ireland, Canada & Australia) BOWDEN, (Ireland, New Zealand, Tasmania & Australia) HAWTHORNE. (Ireland and Pennsylvania) In Co Down, Co Armagh & Co Antrim Ireland: McCALLISTER, McAULEY, FLINN, STRAIN, SPRATT, McCLENAGHAN & KENNEDY. _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/)

Belfast Weekly News June 3 1893: Missing Friends: COLLINS: Wanted to know the whereabouts of Thomas James Collins, who left Grange, Magherafelt, County Derry, Ireland when a boy, about thirty years ago, and went to Philadelphia, America. Also his aunt , Mary Collins, who is in Philadelphia. Any news regarding them would be thankfully received by his sister , Mary Jane Collins, 13 Parker Street, Byker, Newcastle-Upon Tyne. FEENEY: Wanted to know the whereabouts of the sister of Wm. Feeney, maiden name Ann Feeney, but now married, who left Derry for Philadelphia twenty seven years ago.-Wm Feeney, 11 Bouverie Terrace, Port Glasgow. GALT: Mary M’Leish, or M’Master , would like to hear the whereabouts of her mother, Elizabeth Galt; last heard of about ten years ago in Carrickfergus. – Address, David M’Master, 98 High Street, Renfrew, Scotland. RIPPET or CHRISTY: - Wanted to know the whereabouts of Agnes Rippett, or Christy, who left Newtownards, County Down, Ireland, about twelve years ago; supposed to be in the north of Ireland at present. Kindly communicate with David Rippett, Dundonald Post Office, County Down, Ireland. Belfast Weekly News June 10 1893: Missing Friends. M’WHINNEY: - Mrs George Halton, 716, West Jefferson Street, Pearia, Illinois, is endeavouring to discover the history or the present whereabouts of her father’s family.. Her father’s name was James M’Whinney, and he was born in Belfast in the year 1812. Her grandfathers name was John M’Whinney, and the maiden name of her grandmother was Sarah Hamilton. Information is earnestly solicited, and would be thankfully received at above address. Belfast Weekly News: June 17 1893: Missing Friends: CHARLES: Wanted, by Alexander Charles, 12 Huntington Place, Springburn Road, Glasgow, information as to the whereabouts of Charles Williamson; Charles some time on the railway in Marshall, Texas; last heard from in Dayton, Texas, in 1885. GRIBBEN: Wanted information as to the whereabouts of Hugh Gribben and Thomas Gribben, who left Mountstewart, County Down, Ireland, in the year of 1871, for America. Should this meet the eye of any of their friends, or relatives who can communicate with them, something will be heard of to their advantage on applying to G. Gribben, Crawfordsburn, County Down. MULLIGAN: Wanted to know the whereabouts of either Jane, Margaret, or Matilda Mulligan (formerly of Ashfield, Cootehill, County Cavan); last heard of at Cheatergay, Montreal, about the year 1846. Information sought by their sister, Mary Ann Morrow, Belturbet, County Cavan. PATTERSON: Wanted information as to the whereabouts of Samuel Patterson. Last address (three years ago) Rockport and Scrieber, Ontario, Canada. Any information of him will be thankfully received by Mrs Patterson, 16 Brennan St, Belfast. Canadian papers please copy. POGUE: Wanted to know the whereabouts of Robert Pogue, who left Lurganbee, County Monaghan Ireland, for America about twenty-six years ago, and got married to Letitia Baker, Brooklyn; last heard of about twenty years ago; was railway conductor at New York, America. Any information will be kindly received by his nephew William Pogue, Milltown, Benburb, County Tyrone, Ireland. SCOTT: Wanted to know the whereabouts of Jane Scott, who left her home at Greencastle, near Belfast, five years ago. She was last heard of at Newry about two years ago. Any information regarding her will be thankfully received by her anxious father, James Scott, Greencastle. STEWART: John Moore, late of Enniskillen, Ireland, wants to know the whereabouts of his cousin, Robert Stewart, farmer, late of Bobycageon, British America. He left Bobycageon 16 years ago, and went to Walkerton, British America. Was in Walkerton when last heard from 13 years ago. Any information of him will be thankfully received by his cousin, John Moore, 67 Cleveland Street, South Shields, England. American papers please copy. STEWART: Mrs E. Wilson, late of Enniskillen, Ireland, wants to know the whereabouts of her cousin, Robert Stewart, farmer, son of Rebecca Baxter, late of Rebycagon, British America. He left Rebycagon sixteen years ago, and went to Workington, British America. Was in Workington when last heard from thirteen years ago. Any information of him will be thankfully received by Mrs E Wilson, 15 Mile End Road, South Shields, England. Belfast Weekly News June 24 1893: Missing Friends. COPELAND: Mrs Rebecca Fymons, Lisbellaw, Co Fermanagh, is most anxious to hear from her nephew , John Copeland. When last heard from a year ago, was working in the garden of Mr Edare, Bungy, near Sussex or Essex. He is a retired sergeant, and married, but has no family. If anyone in Bungy could furnish the writer with the address of a Mr Kerr, a private gentleman there, the remainder would be easy. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Belfast Weekly News April 29 1893: Missing Friends: BAILY: Sergeant J Mulligan, R.A.N.C Officers Library, Woolwich, would like to find the present address of William Baily, formerly a miller near Rathfriland, Co Down. BROWN: Wanted to know the whereabouts of William Brown, formerly of County Louth, Ireland, who left Hyde, England, 10 years ago. Any information will be thankfully received by Mrs Megaw, 161 Waddell Street, S.S. Glasgow. Deaths: GALWAY: April 23 at the residence of her brother, 36 Elmwood Avenue, Belfast, Margaret, relict of the late John Galway, Springvale, Ballyrussell, Dundonald. M’CORMICK: April 11, at Lorna Doone, Springwood, Sydney, James Joseph, only son of William M’Cormick, Belfast, aged 19 years. Belfast Weekly News May 6 1893: Missing Friends. GRIBBEN: Wanted information as to the whereabouts of Hugh Gribben and Thomas Gribben, who left Mountstewart, County Down, Ireland, in the year of 1871, for America. Should this meet the eye of any of their friends, or relatives who can communicate with them, something will be heard of to their advantage on applying to G. Gribben, Crawfordsburn, County Down. M’KEE.- On the 15th of March a man named Thomas M’Kee was killed on one of the Street Car Lines in Chicago. He has a sister and also a brother who is a Presbyterian minister, and still another brother , who is a doctor, whom he left in County Antrim, near Belfast, when he went into the Ship Yard at Whiteinch, by Glasgow, Scotland. The relatives to communicate with People’s Casulty Claim Adjustment Company, 145 Adams Express Building, 185 Dearborn Street, Chicago, They may hear of something to their advantage. PARK; Information wanted about Andrew Park, or Parks, who was born in the County Antrim about 1745, and died in America in 1781. He seems to have been a weaver, probably engaged in the weaving of linens and woollens in Antrim before he went to United States. Information as to when he left Ireland, facts in connection with the name, or some information as to where the matter could be looked up, will be thankfully received by John S Park, U.S. army, professor, Virginia Military Institute, Lexington, Virginia. SMITH: Wanted to know the whereabouts of Thomas Smith. When last heard of, was living at 35 North Street, Anderston, Glasgow. Any information will be thankfully received by his brother, Edward Smith, Newtown, Dundalk, Hacks Ball Cross, Ireland. Belfast Weekly News May 13 1893: Missing Friends: COOPER: Information wanted of Robert Cooper, late of Ferniskey, County Antrim, Ireland. Last address (March 1889) was Grace P.O. Jefferson County, Montana, USA. Any information of him will be thankfully received by his sister, Mrs D.M’Wha, Ferniskey, Kells, County Antrim, Ireland. PHILLIPS: Wanted to know the whereabouts of Thomas Phillips, who left Ireland about twenty years ago, last heard of in Chicago. If this should meet the eye of anyone who could give any information regarding his whereabouts, it will be thankfully received by his sister, Ann Thomson, 6 Maxwellton Street, Paisley, Scotland Belfast Weekly News May 20 1893: Missing Friends. HADDEN: Information desired as to the whereabouts of any of the descendants of my granduncle, Alexander Hadden, who left Cookstown, County Tyrone, Ireland, for Philadelphia, USA, somewhere about the year 1800(?). American papers please copy. Address, James Hadden, 49 Claremont North Avenue, Gateshead-on-Tyne, England. Births: BALLENTINE: May 13 at Woodvale, Ballymena, the wife of John George Ballentine, of a son. POLLOCK: May 11, at Ardeen, Holywood, the wife of John Pollock, a son. Belfast Weekly News May 27 1893: Deaths: M’CORMICK: May 18 at her late residence, No.191 York Street, Rachel, relict of John M’Cormick, aged 71 years. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Wonderful Brian, thanks. I'll add these to my McCormick collection. Andy Airriess > M'CORMICK: April 7 at her fathers residence, 116(?) Canmore Street, > Belfast. Mary Ann, the beloved daughter of James and Annie M'Cormick. > American papers please copy. J.M'Cormick. >

Belfast Weekly News April 15 1893: Deaths: M’CORMICK: April 7 at her fathers residence, 116(?) Canmore Street, Belfast. Mary Ann, the beloved daughter of James and Annie M’Cormick. American papers please copy… J.M’Cormick. Missing Friends: POGUE: Wanted to know the whereabouts of Robert Pogue, of Lurganbee, Castleblayney, County Monaghan, who left for America 28 years ago. When last heard of he was a railway conductor in New York. – Mary Pogue, Lislea Post Office, County Armagh, Ireland. STEENSON – BURKE: Information wanted of Mary Ann Steenson ( Mrs G. Smith) and S. Burke, natives of Gilford, County Down, Ireland, last heard of as residing at Brisbane about welve years ago. Replies thankfully acknowledged by Mrs John Irwin, Gilford, County Down, Ireland. Australian papers please copy. TAYLOR: Wanted information concerning the same, or any friends of John M’Ilraith, of Ireland. Hugh M’Ilraith, 4 South Shamrock Street, Glasgow. WATTERS:- Wanted to know the whereabouts of John Watters. Last heard from 5th July 1892 in Fort Bowie, purposing to remove to Chicago. Sought for by his anxious mother , Mrs Thomas Watters, Killycolpey, Stewartstown, Co Tyrone. Belfast Weekly News April 22 1893: Missing Friends: BRADY: Mrs Criag, 76 Albertbridge Road, Belfast, Ireland, is very anxious to hear from her daughter, Mrs Maggie Brady, whose address in June 1887, was No.1 Chapmans Terrace, St? Street, Dunedin, and whose husband , Patrick Smith(?) Brady, was previous to that on the police force in Dunedin. HOWE: Wanted to know the whereabouts of William Howe, who left Fivemiletown, County Tyrone, Ireland, about 30 years ago. Last heard of in Thomas Drew’s ,Washington Street, New York. Any information regarding his whereabouts will be thankfully received by his niece, Rebecca Haslett or M’Knight, 14 Castle Street, Paisley. MULHOLLAND or COWAN: Wanted to know the address of friends or relatives of Mary Mulholland or Cowan, who left Ballinderry, Ireland, about (?) years ago. Any information will be thankfully received by her son, James Cowan, 154 North(?) Woodside Road, Glasgow, Scotland. M’ILWRATH: Wanted to know the whereabouts of James M’Ilwrath, when last heard from was stationmaster at Nepigon, O(?) Canada. Information will be thankfully received by his mother, Ann M’Ilwrath, 84(?) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I have updated the Ireland Books section of my website. The update includes new books in Parish, Genealogy and Local Histories plus new Lookup Volunteers in all sections. If you have or know of books that are not listed, please use the convenient form on the website and I will include them with the next update. You can check out the books by going to the URL below my name. At the top of my homepage, under Ireland, click on Ireland Books. That will take you to the Ireland Books Discussion mailing list webpage, at the bottom of the page, you will find links to the Parish books and the Ireland books. If you have any comments, corrections and/or addition to the website, please contact me off list. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by ZoneAlarm AntiVirus

To set the record straight.Don't know if it's because I had posted what had taken place on all of the lists that I belong to.Yesterday afternoon mail,a request form for signature confirmation was delivered,signed and mail picked up. I GOT MY CERTIFICATES!!!!!!!!! All is well and my faith in people is truly restored.And thank you to so many of you who had offered suggestions and any help In the future,I will check things out better but for now I am truly smiling. Thanks again to all for your support Denise.

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> Can anyone tell me where sheffield was? I have an old 1637 copy of a map. > It does not tell you what County oir where4 its is. To the north was > Bradfield and to the south was Ecclesey Byerley. It shows Crookes Moore in > the center and the town of Sheffield to the east of it. Gordon Curiously enough Sheffield is still exactly where it was in 1637 - only now it's a bit bigger with a population of over half a million. It's overwhelmed Crookes (moor), and almost Ecclesfield (Bierlow). Bradfield also come within the city limits. That said, Bradfield is still out in the country. Crookes has been a favourite bed-sit residence for generations of Sheffield University students in late Victorian and Edwardian terraces. Of all Britain's cities Sheffield may be unusual in that there are almost as many sheep living within the boundaries as humans. Since reorganisation in the 1970's Sheffield as a city moved from the old West Riding of Yorkshire to the newly created South Yorkshire and those boundaries go right out into the Peak District of Derbyshire. However, we're a long way from Antrim and Ulster! For those unfamiliar with British geography, Yorkshire is the largest historical county in the British Isles, to the north of England, on the east side of the Pennine hills that run down the centre. Chris Morgan in sunny Sheffield

Hello fellow listers I am new to this list and this is my first posting. I hope that somewhere out there is the person I am looking for. Is anyone researching Esther Beggs, born Larne 27 Jun 1832? Her parents were David Beggs and Margaret Ferris, both also of Larne. I would like to here from anyone with any information, particularly the person who placed the entry on the IGI. I believe Esther to be my great great aunt. Regards, Anne, Melbourne, Australia

Hello Gordon, It sounds to me that it's in Yorkshire, England. Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 1:25 AM Subject: [Antrim] Map location > Can anyone tell me where sheffield was? I have an old 1637 copy of a map. > It does not tell you what County oir where4 its is. To the north was > Bradfield and to the south was Ecclesey Byerley. It shows Crookes Moore in > the center and the town of Sheffield to the east of it. > > Gordon > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

There is a SHELLFIELD in Dunluce Parish in North Antrim. To the north of Shellfield is Ballyhunsley South and to the south is Benvardin. Does this help? Probably not. Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> To: <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: [Antrim] Map location > Can anyone tell me where sheffield was? I have an old 1637 copy of a map. > It does not tell you what County oir where4 its is. To the north was > Bradfield and to the south was Ecclesey Byerley. It shows Crookes Moore in > the center and the town of Sheffield to the east of it. > > Gordon > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Can anyone tell me where sheffield was? I have an old 1637 copy of a map. It does not tell you what County oir where4 its is. To the north was Bradfield and to the south was Ecclesey Byerley. It shows Crookes Moore in the center and the town of Sheffield to the east of it. Gordon