Thank you. These specific newsgroups are my only release from the TV talking heads spewing rubbish. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Marr <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:23 AM Subject: Chain letters > Message text written by <[email protected]> > > "I pray, for everyone who sends this to their entire address book, they > will be blessed by God in a way special for them. And send it back to > the person who sent it, to let them know that indeed it was sent out to > many more." > > -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- > > With respect to everyone concerned, I think we should try not to send > e-mail chain letters to this or any other specialty discussion list. Send > them to your friends if you must, but the rest of us on the list can > probably do without these cutesy little tales, whether religious or > otherwise. > > Ted Marr > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Message text written by <[email protected]> "I pray, for everyone who sends this to their entire address book, they will be blessed by God in a way special for them. And send it back to the person who sent it, to let them know that indeed it was sent out to many more." -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- With respect to everyone concerned, I think we should try not to send e-mail chain letters to this or any other specialty discussion list. Send them to your friends if you must, but the rest of us on the list can probably do without these cutesy little tales, whether religious or otherwise. Ted Marr

----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Stocking <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 12:28 PM Subject: (no subject) > Dear Amigos Unidos & my other Amigos: > > This was sent to me by an other friend, and at times like this it really > make you stop and think. > > There once was a man named George Thomas, pastor in a small New England > town. One Easter Sunday morning he came to the Church carrying a rusty, > bent, old bird cage, and set it by the pulpit. Eyebrows were raised and, > as if in response, Pastor Thomas began to speak... > > I was walking through town yesterday when I saw a young boy coming > toward me swinging this bird cage. On the bottom of the cage were three > little wild birds, shivering with cold and fright. I stopped the lad > and asked, "What you got there, son?" "Just some old birds," came the > reply. What are you gonna do with them? I asked. > > Take 'em home and have fun with 'em, he answered. I'm gonna tease 'em > and pull out their feathers to make 'em fight. I'm gonna have a real > good time. > > But you'll get tired of those birds sooner or later. What will you do? > > Oh, I got some cats, said the little boy. They like birds. I'll take 'em > to them. > > The pastor was silent for a moment. > > How much do you want for those birds, son? > > Huh?? !!! Why, you don't want them birds, mister. They're just plain > old field birds. They don't sing. They ain't even pretty! > > How much? the pastor asked again. The boy sized up the pastor as if he > were crazy and said, $10? > > The pastor reached in his pocket and took out a ten dollar bill. He > placed it in the boy's hand. In a flash, the boy was gone. The pastor > picked up the cage and gently carried it to the end of the alley where > there was a tree and a grassy spot. Setting the cage down, he opened the > door, and by softly tapping the bars persuaded the birds out, setting > them free. > > Well, that explained the empty bird cage on the pulpit, and then the > pastor began to tell this story. > > One day Satan and Jesus were having a conversation. Satan had just come > from the Garden of Eden, and he was gloating and boasting. Yes, sir, I > just caught the world full of people down there. Set me a trap, used > bait I knew they couldn't resist. Got 'em all! > > What are you going to do with them? Jesus asked. > > Satan replied, Oh, I'm gonna have fun! I'm gonna teach them how to > marry and divorce each other, how to hate and abuse each other, how to > drink and smoke and curse. I'm gonna teach them how to invent guns and > bombs and kill each other. I'm really gonna have fun! > > And what will you do when you get done with them? Jesus asked. > > Oh, I'll kill 'em, Satan glared proudly. > > How much do you want for them? Jesus asked. > > Oh, you don't want those people. They ain't no good. Why, you'll take > them and they'll just hate you. They'll spit on you, curse you and kill > you. You don't want those people!! > > How much? He asked again. > > Satan looked at Jesus and sneered, All your blood, tears and your life. > > Jesus said, "DONE! Then He paid the price. The pastor picked up the cage > he opened the door and he walked from the pulpit. > > Notes: Isn't it funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then > wonder why the world's going to hell. > > Isn't it funny how someone can say "I believe in God" but still follow > Satan (who, by the way, also "believes" in God). > > Isn't it funny how you can send a thousand jokes through e-mail and they > spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the > Lord, people! think twice about sharing. > > Isn't it funny how when you go to forward this message, you will not > send it to many on your > address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they > will think of you for sending it to them. > > Isn't it funny how I can be more worried about what other people think > of me than what God thinks of me. > > I pray, for everyone who sends this to their entire address book, they > will be blessed by God in a way special for them. And send it back to > the person who sent it, to let them know that indeed it was sent out to > many more. > >

----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Stocking <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 12:28 PM Subject: (no subject) > Dear Amigos Unidos & my other Amigos: > > This was sent to me by an other friend, and at times like this it really > make you stop and think. > > There once was a man named George Thomas, pastor in a small New England > town. One Easter Sunday morning he came to the Church carrying a rusty, > bent, old bird cage, and set it by the pulpit. Eyebrows were raised and, > as if in response, Pastor Thomas began to speak... > > I was walking through town yesterday when I saw a young boy coming > toward me swinging this bird cage. On the bottom of the cage were three > little wild birds, shivering with cold and fright. I stopped the lad > and asked, "What you got there, son?" "Just some old birds," came the > reply. What are you gonna do with them? I asked. > > Take 'em home and have fun with 'em, he answered. I'm gonna tease 'em > and pull out their feathers to make 'em fight. I'm gonna have a real > good time. > > But you'll get tired of those birds sooner or later. What will you do? > > Oh, I got some cats, said the little boy. They like birds. I'll take 'em > to them. > > The pastor was silent for a moment. > > How much do you want for those birds, son? > > Huh?? !!! Why, you don't want them birds, mister. They're just plain > old field birds. They don't sing. They ain't even pretty! > > How much? the pastor asked again. The boy sized up the pastor as if he > were crazy and said, $10? > > The pastor reached in his pocket and took out a ten dollar bill. He > placed it in the boy's hand. In a flash, the boy was gone. The pastor > picked up the cage and gently carried it to the end of the alley where > there was a tree and a grassy spot. Setting the cage down, he opened the > door, and by softly tapping the bars persuaded the birds out, setting > them free. > > Well, that explained the empty bird cage on the pulpit, and then the > pastor began to tell this story. > > One day Satan and Jesus were having a conversation. Satan had just come > from the Garden of Eden, and he was gloating and boasting. Yes, sir, I > just caught the world full of people down there. Set me a trap, used > bait I knew they couldn't resist. Got 'em all! > > What are you going to do with them? Jesus asked. > > Satan replied, Oh, I'm gonna have fun! I'm gonna teach them how to > marry and divorce each other, how to hate and abuse each other, how to > drink and smoke and curse. I'm gonna teach them how to invent guns and > bombs and kill each other. I'm really gonna have fun! > > And what will you do when you get done with them? Jesus asked. > > Oh, I'll kill 'em, Satan glared proudly. > > How much do you want for them? Jesus asked. > > Oh, you don't want those people. They ain't no good. Why, you'll take > them and they'll just hate you. They'll spit on you, curse you and kill > you. You don't want those people!! > > How much? He asked again. > > Satan looked at Jesus and sneered, All your blood, tears and your life. > > Jesus said, "DONE! Then He paid the price. The pastor picked up the cage > he opened the door and he walked from the pulpit. > > Notes: Isn't it funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then > wonder why the world's going to hell. > > Isn't it funny how someone can say "I believe in God" but still follow > Satan (who, by the way, also "believes" in God). > > Isn't it funny how you can send a thousand jokes through e-mail and they > spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the > Lord, people! think twice about sharing. > > Isn't it funny how when you go to forward this message, you will not > send it to many on your > address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they > will think of you for sending it to them. > > Isn't it funny how I can be more worried about what other people think > of me than what God thinks of me. > > I pray, for everyone who sends this to their entire address book, they > will be blessed by God in a way special for them. And send it back to > the person who sent it, to let them know that indeed it was sent out to > many more. > >

Does Proni have a list of books for sale ? I have not seen one and would like to see a list if someone could tell me where it's located . Thanks all! Dorothy Barnes [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: Book Information and Lookups > Does anyone out there have access to - or a copy of - the book "Belfast > Merchant Families in the Seventeenth Century" by Jean Agnew? It was published > in 1996 by Four Courts Press. I'm considering buying it, but would like to > know if it includes any information about any WHITE families who were > involved in the linen industry. Could somebody do an index lookup for me? > > Also, I have recently purchased a copy of PRONI's "Heads and Hearths," which > has a breakdown of heads of households based on 1666 and 1669 Hearth and Poll > tax returns for County Antrim. I am willing to do lookups if you know what > Parish your ancestor is from. Townland would also help, but is not necessary. > (The work is not indexed so I can't do a lookup if all you know is County > Antrim.) And please be aware, all that is registered is name and townland, > and very rarely, an occupation. > > Karen Booth > > ______________________________

Hi Peter I live in Islandmagee - can I help ? Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Peter A. Kincaid <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 11 September 2001 00:18 Subject: Islandmagee >Would there be anyone on the list who lives in >the Islandmagee area? I am quite interested in >a gravestone dating back to the early 1700s and >would love to be able to get some pictures of it. > >Thanks in advance! > > > >Peter A. Kincaid >Hampton, NB, Canada > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11 HB > >

Lesley, Thanks for taking the time to answer my query. This is enough information to get me started. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Hi Shirley, I notice that you're searching for the ROULSTON surname. My g-g-grandmother, Mary (BAILEY) LARHAM, had a sister named Susannah BAILEY, who was born June 16, 1827 in the Methodist church in Carrickfergus, County Antrim, Ireland. Susannah married Robert ROULSTON on December 17, 1849 in Springvale, Haldimand County, Ontario, Canada. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Thanks, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Deasley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: "Reply All" Reponse > Hi David, > > The response to numerous general interest questions such as yours are of > great interest to the rest of the listers. Could it be that listers aren't > aware that when they respond to a lister's posting they could use the "Reply > All" button on their e-mail instead of just "Reply"? That way the response > is posted to the list and sent to the individual and we can all share. > > You say, "I hope this info helps others, 'cos that's what this game's all > about!". You are so right. > > Thank you for posting some of the responses you received. These are both > excellent sites. > > Regards from Canada > Shirley Deasley > > Searching for > BEATSON in Belfast and Ballygilbert > DEASLEY in Stranorlar, Donegal > LEMON in Ballymeehan > McGOWAN in Ballygilbert > ROULSTON in County Tyrone > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Bishop" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 8:34 AM > Subject: Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou > > > Thanks to all who replied to my request for help with street locations in > Urban Belfast. > As a result, found a site where you can buy circa 1901 copies of Belfast > maps: http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/ > > > and a site showing a detailed map of a large portion of Urban > Belfast:www.belfast.net/mo/map.htm > > > I hope this info helps others, 'cos that's what this game's all about! > > Regards > David > Australia > > ______________________________ > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Thanks again Chris I can't locate Silverstream Rd yet because I don't think that my map covers that area. But your directions will come in handy. One other street lookup if you wouldn't mind. Its where my grandmother was born in 1901. Cavour St. Could you tell me where it is in relation to Ardilea St. That way, I can get my bearings. Regards David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Morgan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:17 AM Subject: Re: 1901 census- Street Names : Silverstream Road > >Only one I haven't found is Silverstream (Rd?). > > That one is still there, up the Crumlin Road, past the bend where Ligoniel Road goes off > to the west. Turn right onto Bilston Road then immediately left, and you're there. It's > roughly parallel with Ballysillan Road, and can be accessed from that side also. Our Lady > of Mercy Secondary School is on Silverstream Road. > > All the other Silverstream streets are in the same area of Ballysillan - Silverstream Avenue, > Crescent, Park, Drive, Parade, and Gardens. Take your pick! > > Chris Morgan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

> I can't locate Silverstream Rd yet because I don't think that my map > covers that area. But your directions will come in handy. Try the top left-hand corner! It should be in the Clifton Electoral Ward (but the Silverstream area wasn't developed in 1901), as was Ardilea Street. > One other street lookup if you wouldn't mind. Its where my grandmother was > born in 1901. Cavour St. Could you tell me where it is in relation to > Ardilea St. That way, I can get my bearings. > Regards > David Cavour Street is not listed in the index to the modern map. It was to the northern side of the Old Lodge Road, just to the south of Carlisle Circus. The modern Westlink road sweeps across it's former site. It was in the Court Ward West Electoral Area, sandwiched between Broadbent and Dagmar Streets, heading out of town.There was a jam factory just around the corner at the top of the road. Chris Morgan

To give myself a better chance of finding Wilson Cornwalls Irish roots I have widened my research onto a second level to include all Cornwalls in Australia that came from Ulster. These (in summary) are the facts gathered so far ... John Cornwall, cousin of Wilson -30/06/1837 Convicted of stolen property in possession at Antrim; No former convictions, sentenced to 14 years transportation -01/01/1838 Arr Sydney, NSW on the Neptune(4); Aged 28 (b.02/01/1809-01/01/1810); Married, 2 Male children, R[ead] & W[rite]; Religion Protestant; Native Place Co Armagh; Occupation Groom; Convict Indent No 184; Convict standing No 38-181 -13/01/1844 Ticket of Leave No 44/287; "Allowed to remain in the District of Melbourne." -In Melbourne his Master is shown as Watson & Hunter -1847 Muster - Self employed at Pentridge Mary Jane Cornwall, wife of John Cornwall -18/10/1837 Convicted of Receiving stolen goods at Antrim; No former convictions, sentenced to 7 yrs transportation -28/03/1838 Arr Sydney, NSW on the "Diamond"; Aged 26 (b.29/03/1811-28/03/1812); Married, no children, R[ead]; Religion Roman Catholic; Native Place Belfast; Occupation Needle-woman; Husband John Cornwall per Neptune 1838; Convict Indent No 105; Convict standing No 104-38 No children listed as coming on the "Diamond" with her -16/03/1843 Ticket of Leave signed, No 43/918. Allowed to remain in the district of Wollombi [in the Hunter Valley, NSW] -14/07/1845 Certificate of Freedom No 45/918. Marginal notation "Wollombi; 31 July". All other details as per Ships Muster. Thomas Cornwall, The brother of Wilson -1835 born? -"Came to Melbourne with his brother, Wilson" according to family tradition -10/02/1859 - 05/09/1861 Constable, Victoria Police -1862 Paid rates of £17 to Moorabbin Roads Board District, on a weather board house in Fern Rd, Moorabbin, Vic. close to Wilson -post 1862 emigrated to New Zealand (or America?) ____________________________________________________________________________ _ This is a speculative family tree I have put together as a "Search Profile" Does anyone know an Ulster Cornwall family that this looks like? 1-- Grandfather CORNWALL (pre 1786-) sp: Grandmother UNKNOWN (pre 1786-) | |__2-- FatherA CORNWALL (pre 1802-) | sp: MotherA UNKNOWN (pre 1802-) | | | |__3-Wilson CORNWALL (1816-1818-16/12/1900) | | sp: Sarah Ann MACATIER (1824-25/07/1905) | | | | | |__4-Sarah Ann CORNWALL (1851-) | | 4-Wilson Henry CORNWALL (1853-) | | 4-John Charles CORNWALL (1855-) | | 4-Maria Jane CORNWALL (1857-) | | 4-Susan Elizabeth CORNWALL (1859-) | | 4-Eliza CORNWALL (1861-) | | 4-William CORNWALL (24/03/1861-23/04/1946) | | 4-James CORNWALL (1864-) | | | |__3-Thomas CORNWALL (1835-post 1862) | |__2-- FatherB CORNWALL (-) sp: MotherB UNKNOWN (-) | |__3-John CORNWALL (1809-post 1847) sp: Mary Jane UNKNOWN (1811/12-post 1845) | |__4-Male CORNWALL (post 1827-) 4-Male CORNWALL (post 1828-) ____________________________________________________________________________ _ ??? Specific questions ??? - Can anyone add any more individuals? These are only the ones I have found, there could be more. - Can anyone add any info? eg arrival or departure details for Thomas, subsequent history of John or Mary Jane. - Has anyone heard of any other Cornwalls transported to Australia from Ireland, perhaps to another state? - Does anyone know anything about Thomas in NZ post 1862? Or Wilsons son James in America after ~1880? Hope this makes a connection for someone. Regards Alan Anderton, Bargo NSW Australia

Wilson Cornwall, After his marriage NOTE - Family records give no suggestion that he was a convict, he was thought to have arr. in Melbourne in 1849-50 with his brother Thomas. 07/02/1850 married Sarah Ann Macatier (various spellings) in Melbourne Vic. - Strong links with William John Loudon, Sarahs' brother in law - Made no secret that he was "proud to be an Orangeman" no reply from Orange Lodge on enquiries re him. 1851-52 Bth of dau Sarah Ann in Melbourne, Vic - Owner of 5 blocks of land incl. Hay & Corn store, Bouverie St, Carlton catering to Diggers going to and from the Ballarat Goldfields 10/10/1853 Bth of son Wilson Henry, St James, Melbourne CofE, Melbourne, Vic (Surname mispelled Cornwell) 1855 - Crown Grant of land in Mordialloc (nr Brighton), Vic 1855-56 Bth of son John Charles at Brighton, Vic 1857-58 Bth of dau Maria Jane 02/08/1860 Bth of dau Susan Elizabeth 24/03/1861 Bth of son William at Melbourne, Vic 1862 - Paying rates on house & land on Centre Rd Moorabin, close to a Thomas Cornwall - "Selection" of bush property in Toomuc Valley, Vic 1863-64 Bth of son James 1865-66 Bth of dau Eliza? died pre 1867 02/11/1867 Bth of son Edward (Edmund Thomas) at Brighton, Vic; at this time Wilson described as "Farmer, [aged] 42, [birthplace] Belfast, Ireland" - Purchased property at Goon Nure (nr Bairnsdale), Gippsland district of Vic, for his son William to work - Retired to Federation style house at Kew 16/12/1900 died at Kew, Vic. aged 85 (therefore b.17/12/1814-16/12/1815). Buried with wife at St Kilda cemetary on the 19th COMMENTS Birthdate >From the Trial documents of 21/03/1839 he was aged 21 (therefore b.22/03/1817-21/03/1818) >From the Convict Indent of 25/01/1840 he was aged 23 (therefore b.26/01/1816-25/01/1817) >From bth cert. of Edward on 02/11/1867 he was aged 42 (therefore b.03/11/1824-02/11/1825) >From registration of death on 16/12/1900 he was aged 85 (therefore b.17/12/1814-16/12/1815) The age from Edwards Bth certificate can be discarded since the source has proven to be unreliable in other regards (shows their marriage in 1843 when we have the registry entry for it in 1850). I would say that we must assume he was born between 1814 - 18 although I would lean towards the ages given in earlier sources: 1816 - 18 Continued on next posting Alan Anderton, Bargo NSW Australia

Friends My primary focus is Wilson Cornwall of Victoria, but he is proving very hard to find prior to his transportation so I have widened the focus to include his known relatives in Australia in the hope that a lead from one of them will provide the crack we need to break down that brick wall! Firstly this is what we know about Wilson prior to his marriage ... Wilson Cornwall, the Convict records Police and trial documents 14/03/1839 Alexander Mitchell of Bally[magingan], [Artria] parish Barony of Loughanshollin robbed by three men near Castledawson who escaped towards Londonderry through the Town Bridge turnpike 16/03/1839 Wilson Cornwall & Moses Hutchinson apprehended for the crime in Belfast 21/03/1839 Tried for Highway Robbery, Aged 21 (therefore b.22/03/1817-21/03/1818) No previous offences, sentenced to 15 years Transportation Transportation records 06/07/1839 Departed Dublin Town on board the MIDDLESEX 25/01/1840 Arrived Port Jackson, Sydney, NSW; Aged 23 (therefore b.26/01/1816-25/01/1817); Single, no children, R[ead and W[rite]; Religion Protestant; Native Place Co Armagh; Occupation Labourer; Cousin John Cornwall, transported 3y ago; Convict Indent No 160; Convict standing No 40-172 "Folio 10" [Indent No] Described as 5'8 1/2"; Fair ruddy & freckled complexion; Light sandy hair; Grey eyes; Large semicircular scar on the top of head; breast & arms hairy and freckled; two scars inside third finger of left hand Ticket of Leave 13/11/1845 Ticket of Leave recommended by Goulburn Bench 07/03/1846 Ticket of Leave 46/428 granted "Allowed to remain in the service of Thos. Woore Esqr at his station on the Murray River for 12 Mths" 20/07/1846 Ticket of Leave Passport 46/696 granted 21/03/1847 Ticket of Leave 46/696 "Cancelled for being absent from his district" 22/10/1847 Ticket of Leave 47/785 granted "Allowed to remain in the district of Melbourne Continued on next posting ... Alan Anderton, Bargo NSW Australia

Hi David and List If you go to http://www.irelandstory.com/geography/belfast.html you should find a map of Belfast showing the main areas and some main roads. It won't give street names, but it may help give you a picture of locales. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: David Bishop <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 08 September 2001 04:57 Subject: Re: 1901 census- Street Names : Silverstream Road >Thanks again Chris > >I can't locate Silverstream Rd yet because I don't think that my map >covers that area. But your directions will come in handy. >One other street lookup if you wouldn't mind. Its where my grandmother was >born in 1901. Cavour St. Could you tell me where it is in relation to >Ardilea St. That way, I can get my bearings. >Regards >David >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Morgan" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:17 AM >Subject: Re: 1901 census- Street Names : Silverstream Road > > >> >Only one I haven't found is Silverstream (Rd?). >> >> That one is still there, up the Crumlin Road, past the bend where Ligoniel >Road goes off >> to the west. Turn right onto Bilston Road then immediately left, and >you're there. It's >> roughly parallel with Ballysillan Road, and can be accessed from that side >also. Our Lady >> of Mercy Secondary School is on Silverstream Road. >> >> All the other Silverstream streets are in the same area of Ballysillan - >Silverstream Avenue, >> Crescent, Park, Drive, Parade, and Gardens. Take your pick! >> >> Chris Morgan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >> > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > >

Hi David, The response to numerous general interest questions such as yours are of great interest to the rest of the listers. Could it be that listers aren't aware that when they respond to a lister's posting they could use the "Reply All" button on their e-mail instead of just "Reply"? That way the response is posted to the list and sent to the individual and we can all share. You say, "I hope this info helps others, 'cos that's what this game's all about!". You are so right. Thank you for posting some of the responses you received. These are both excellent sites. Regards from Canada Shirley Deasley Searching for BEATSON in Belfast and Ballygilbert DEASLEY in Stranorlar, Donegal LEMON in Ballymeehan McGOWAN in Ballygilbert ROULSTON in County Tyrone ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bishop" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 8:34 AM Subject: Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou Thanks to all who replied to my request for help with street locations in Urban Belfast. As a result, found a site where you can buy circa 1901 copies of Belfast maps: http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/ and a site showing a detailed map of a large portion of Urban Belfast:www.belfast.net/mo/map.htm I hope this info helps others, 'cos that's what this game's all about! Regards David Australia ______________________________

No idea, sorry! I just put that obit on the list on the chance that someone would be related to that family. (I am not) In a message dated 9/7/2001 12:03:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > > Are the LAVERTY's connected to the TULLY's? > > Thanks > Tina Marie > [email protected] > >

I can't imagine why, but I've only just signed up to this list, after years of searching for information on my family's history. I will doubtless post subsequent messages about individuals and specific branches of the family, but as a first step I would like to post a general note about the families of interest to me, to see whether anyone has knowledge of or a connexion with them. The main Antrim family names of interest to me are: KILLEN, YOUNG, EKIN, McCAUSLAND, GILBERT, WILSON (several different families), ANDREWS, MAGILL, MAGEE (or McGEE), MILLAR, KIRKPATRICK, REID, BRYCE (or BRICE), DOOL (or DOOLE), and GILLILAND. The "core" locations for these families are (variously, and chosen slightly at random) Ballymena, Broughshane, Glenwherry & Galgorm, Belfast, Greencastle, Whiteabbey, Cavehill & Carnmoney. My entire family history data base is posted to Rootsweb, and is configured to allow downloads of information by anyone who is interested in retrieving it. It can be viewed & accessed at: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=tedmarr Let me explain a little of the background of the KILLEN & related families of, first, Carnmoney & nearby, later Ballymena, & then all over the world: The earliest of my known ancestors was Revd Edward BRICE of Broadisland (Ballycarry), apparently the first Presbyterian Minister to go to Ireland at the time of the Plantation. One of his descendants, Edward BRYCE, (a great great grandson, I believe) was baptised on 22 September 1710 at Carnmoney Presbyterian Church. On or about 29 January 1739 this Edward Bryce married Mary KIRKPATRICK, also at Carnmoney Presbyterian Church. These Kirkpatricks were i believe a long established Carnmoney Presbyterian family. Edward Bryce and Mary Kirkpatrick had a daughter Blanche BRICE who was born, it seems, in November 1739 at Carnmoney or nearby in Belfast. She probably had a brother John Brice, born around 1741, and I expect other siblings. In the early 1760s or thereabouts Blanche Brice married James KILLEN, a tenant farmer on the face of the Cavehill near the present Greencastle, who was born to an old Irish family in the Lecale area (Co. Down) probably around 1730. We do not know whether James Killen had moved to the Greencastle area alone, or with other members of his family: from this time there is, however, evidence of other Killens residing at or near Carnmoney. James Killen is said to have been before his marriage a Roman Catholic (as it seems were most of the Co. Down Killens), but then to have adopted the Presbyterian faith of his wife. In doing so he founded a branch of the Killen family for whom to be Presbyterian was central to their identity, and whose descendants include dozens of Presbyterian ministers, some of them very prominent, in Ireland, Scotland, England, Canada, the US, Australia and New Zealand. James Killen and Blanche Brice had a family, including (probably) Thomas (1766), James (1775) and Mary (1782), and (definitely) John Killen, born 1768 & baptised at Carnmoney Presbyterian Church. Many of their Killen descendants stayed in the Carnmoney area, and we know that Blanche BRICE KIllen was still resident there around 1791 at the time her son John (by then resident at Ballymena) married a woman called Martha DOOL from Duneane, heiress of her grandmother Martha REID of Glenwherry, and through her father a descendant of the Covenanter Willie GILLILAND. John Killen and Martha Dool had a large family at Ballymena. Their sons included Revd William Dool Killen DD (1806-1902), Presbyterian Minister at Raphoe, Co. Donegal, after 1831, and from 1841 Professor of Church History and Pastoral Theology at the Assembly's College in Belfast, and Revd James Millar Killen DD (about 1810-1879), who was Minister at Comber, Co. Down from 1843 till his retirement in the 1870s. These two sons, and a third, Edward Killen (1800-1856) who lived at Glenville, Glenwherry, married women called YOUNG (who were probably sisters, the daughters of Thomas YOUNG of Ballymena) and had numerous children, many of whom emigrated in the latter part of the ninetheenth century to Scotland, England, Canada, the US, Australia and New Zealand, and there are now hundreds of their descendants in those countries, as well as, still, in Ireland. The daughters of John Killen & Martha Dool all married and three of them had families. Elizabeth Killen (1796-1875) married Revd Henry Reid ANDREWS (- about 1840) around 1820 (?) and had a family some of whose descendants are in Ireland and probably England & Scotland, and some in Nova Scotia & British Columbia & probably other parts of Canada. Jane Killen (1803-1895) married around 1829 (?) Samuel McCAUSLAND (1801-1895), and their descendants (who had the famous seed business whose premises are now the McCausland Hotel) are in Belfast, still, and England. Sarah Killen (1808-1874) married about 1830 William WILSON (1800-1877) of Broughshane, and their descendants (the "Knowehead" & "Newgrove" Wilsons and a large number of Gilberts and Killens) are in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, England, Scotland and Ireland. Several Killens and related descendants have over the generations (in Ireland and in Australia) married members of the EKIN family, originally I believe from Co. Tyrone. As a result, very large numbers of Killen descendants, both in Ireland and in Australia (and probably elsewhere) are called EKIN. Information on the Ekins is very scant, and I would be pleased to hear from anyone who is part of or knows about this family. The YOUNG family into which three of the sons of John & Martha Killen married supplied wives for other Killens in later generations in Australia, and my research is also directed to the family (originally Huguenots who had settled at first it seems near Belfast, perhaps at Whiteabbey, and some of were later in the Ballymena area) of my great great grandfather Charles YOUNG (1825-1908) of Belfast (who emigrated to Victoria, Australia). His brother Robert Young (1822-1917) was the distinguished architect, engineer and polymath, who along with his son Robert Magill Young (1825-1921) was a member of the Belfast firm Young & McKenzie. Charles Young's sister Margaret (1813-1912) married James BRYCE whose father was from Scotland, and their son was Viscount (James) Bryce MP (1838-1922), the renowned diplomat, statesman and scholar. Charles Young's parents were James YOUNG (1787-1846) of Dunrod & Whiteabbey and Mary MAGEE (1791-1890), of a prominent (and probably Catholic) family on Island Magee, about whom I know next to nothing. I would like very much to find out the relationship between this James Young and Thomas Young whose daughters, or at least some of them, married some or all of the Ballymena Killen brothers. I would be delighted to hear from anyone who has knowledge of connexions with these families. Ted Marr Hong Kong 8 Sep 2001

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My ancestor, William Cochran, b.1824, Belfast, County Antrim, son of ?Cochran and ?Crawford, emigrated to Ontario, Canada, in 1844, via New York, where he left "some uncles". He married Margaret Anne Matthews from County Down in 1848 in Pembroke, Ontario, and their children were: Margaret; Elizabeth; Nancy; William; Ann; Sarah; John; and Jane (Jennie). I have not been able to locate any relative of William Cochran either in Ontario, Canada, or Belfast, Ireland and I am afraid I have come to a "dead end". Could SKS please tell me if there is any list available for Belfast c1824-1845 in which I might find his family. Any suggestion to help with this research problem would be appreciated. Alice Cochrane

My ancestors of Armoy & Culfeightrin Parishs in Co. Antrim were somehow related to the Laverty family. Please refer to the BROWN documents at my web site for detailed information. Perry Perry Streeter (mailto:[email protected]) http://www.perry.streeter.com -----Original Message----- From: Harry Doyle [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 8:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Laverty from Antrim Roismaire, Do you have direct interest in Laverty family. My greatgrandmother was Mary Laverty from Culfeightrin Parish in Co. Antrim. Thanks for posting the info. I have a cousin who is quite interested in NY Lavertys