I don't think the English included Ireland in the 1881 census, could be wrong. Here are a couple of links which give good advice on what's available on irish family research. http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/guide/index.html this one has census info. http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/guide/census.html Also the section about civil registration of births/marriages/deaths in Ireland might be of use to you. This site says that there is a Kilrea in Co. Derry and Co. Armagh, enter the place name in the Townlands or civil parish box for more details. http://www.seanruad.com/ You may be able to obtain info on the births/marriage from the appropriate parish records. Given the date of 1940 for the marriage, PRONI may be willing to do a three year search around the date for the record. For 1904, Dublin GRO will do the same search. If you don't have a LDS Family History Center that you can get to, the above might be worth trying. There is contact details for Dublin GRO and PRONI on the first website, also doing a websearch with Google will find websites for both places, they might have more recent details on cost etc. Colman Ahern, Berkeley.

I don't think the LDS have the RC registers for Aghagallon on film, at least I couldn't find them listed anywhere. Here is what Ryan's Irish Records says: ANTRIM. RC parishes. Civil Parish: Aghagallon RC Parish: Aghagallon and Ballinderry Earliest Record: b. 4.1828 m. 5.1828 d.3.1828 Missing Dates: 7.1848 - 5.1872 Status: Local Custody (meaning with the PP). National Library of Ireland on microfilm (these are films of the actual parish registers). Indexed by UHF (probably computer transcripts of the registers). The same transcripts are probably available through PRONI. Colman Ahern, Berkeley.

Hi, The following has contact info for Aghagallon: http://www.downandconnor.org/old/Country/aghagallon.htm It's one of several websites listed at this: http://www.downandconnor.org/ which is one of many sites listed at: http://home.att.net/~Local_Catholic/Catholic-Ireland.htm Which gives good info if you are looking for RC parish info/records in Ireland. The Down and Connor site is very slow so give it time. St. Patrick's is probably the church you are looking for, there is an address etc for the PP. Colman Ahern Berkeley.

Sorry Mike. I don't know if the church still exists. Maybe someone on the list will have that information and will let us know. But in another book "Irish Gravestone Inscriptions, A Guide to Sources in Ulster" by William O'Kane & Eoin Kerr, Editors, I copied the following: Listed under County Antrim: Civil parish: Aghagallon Cemetery: St Patrick Denomination: RC Hopefully the church will have the same name. I also found a note that the church Records are in Proni, as mentioned, and also at the National Library in Dublin. Let me know if you have any luck with the LDS films. MaureenH PS To All: I only have these notations not the books. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Aghagallon RC church records > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:45:52 -0800 (PST) > From: Michael Garland <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Thanks Maureen, I will definitely follow-up with the local LDS. > > Do you know if the Church still exists? > > Regards, > > Mike > --- Maureen Hauge <[email protected]> wrote: > > Michael, > > > > From the 'Guide to Church Records': > > > > R.C. Aghagallon (Down and Connor Diocese) > > Includes the parishes of Aghagallon, Aghalee and part of Ballinderry: > > Baptisms and Marriages: 1828-89, burials: 1828-48 and 1873-81 > > > > These are found at PRONI, use reference MIC.1D/6,63 > > > > I realize Belfast Proni is a long way from Rochester, but your local LDS > > Family History Library may be able to order from SLC, if the records > > have been copied. It's worth a try. > > > > I just recently discovered that many of my Magees were baptized there in > > the late 1800s. > > It will eventually reach the top of my look-up list! > > MaureenH > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com

Thanks Maureen, I will definitely follow-up with the local LDS. Do you know if the Church still exists? Regards, Mike --- Maureen Hauge <[email protected]> wrote: > Michael, > > From the 'Guide to Church Records': > > R.C. Aghagallon (Down and Connor Diocese) > Includes the parishes of Aghagallon, Aghalee and part of Ballinderry: > Baptisms and Marriages: 1828-89, burials: 1828-48 and 1873-81 > > These are found at PRONI, use reference MIC.1D/6,63 > > I realize Belfast Proni is a long way from Rochester, but your local LDS > Family History Library may be able to order from SLC, if the records > have been copied. It's worth a try. > > I just recently discovered that many of my Magees were baptized there in > the late 1800s. > It will eventually reach the top of my look-up list! > MaureenH > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com

I can confirm that this is the only entry for McFad*.... Stephen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Serna" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: Re: McFadzean > > Eddie this is the only thing close that I could find. I have a CD called Surviving 1851 Census Returns of > Ireland and that is where I found this. > > > 24. JOHN McGREER, 45 (Head) [Married 1828] - LABOURER (Antrim) (R) > PEGGY McGREER, 39 (Wife) [Married 1828] - NONE (Antrim) > JAMES McGREER, 22 (Son) [Unmarried] - SAILOR (Antrim) (R) > ELLEN McGREER, 17 (Daughter) [Unmarried] - FLOWERER (Antrim) (R/W) > DANIEL McGREER, 14 (Son) [Unmarried] - LABOURER (Antrim) (R/W) > ELIZA McGREER, 9 (Daughter) [Unmarried] - AT SCHOOL (Antrim) (R) > AGNES McGREER, 6 (Daughter) [Unmarried] - NONE (Antrim) > WILLIAM McGREER, 2 (Son) [Unmarried] - NONE (Antrim) > AGNES SHAW, 80 (Lodger) [Widow - Married 1816] - NONE (Antrim) > AGNES McFADDEN, 20 (Visitor) [Unmarried] - FLOWERER (Antrim) (R) > Absent from Household 30th March 1851: > MARY McGREER, 19 (Daughter) - SERVANT {Glenarm, Co. Antrim} > > Jackie > > Edward McFadzean wrote: > > > Could SKS look inthe 1851 census for Allen McFadzean and wife Elizabeth McEwen for any details it might show > > regards Eddie > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Could SKS look inthe 1851 census for Allen McFadzean and wife Elizabeth McEwen for any details it might show regards Eddie

Eddie this is the only thing close that I could find. I have a CD called Surviving 1851 Census Returns of Ireland and that is where I found this. 24. JOHN McGREER, 45 (Head) [Married 1828] - LABOURER (Antrim) (R) PEGGY McGREER, 39 (Wife) [Married 1828] - NONE (Antrim) JAMES McGREER, 22 (Son) [Unmarried] - SAILOR (Antrim) (R) ELLEN McGREER, 17 (Daughter) [Unmarried] - FLOWERER (Antrim) (R/W) DANIEL McGREER, 14 (Son) [Unmarried] - LABOURER (Antrim) (R/W) ELIZA McGREER, 9 (Daughter) [Unmarried] - AT SCHOOL (Antrim) (R) AGNES McGREER, 6 (Daughter) [Unmarried] - NONE (Antrim) WILLIAM McGREER, 2 (Son) [Unmarried] - NONE (Antrim) AGNES SHAW, 80 (Lodger) [Widow - Married 1816] - NONE (Antrim) AGNES McFADDEN, 20 (Visitor) [Unmarried] - FLOWERER (Antrim) (R) Absent from Household 30th March 1851: MARY McGREER, 19 (Daughter) - SERVANT {Glenarm, Co. Antrim} Jackie Edward McFadzean wrote: > Could SKS look inthe 1851 census for Allen McFadzean and wife Elizabeth McEwen for any details it might show > regards Eddie > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Maureen, Does your guide say anything about a place called CrossKeys? I have family (Keenan, Hammill, Sedgewich) from the area which seems not to exist on the maps. The only remnant is the CrossKeys Inn in Ardnaglass, which belongs to the Ballyscullion Grange Civil Parish. The Lewis Topographical Dictionary of Ireland says of the Ballyscullion Grange: "BALLYSCULLION, a grange, in the barony of TOOME, county of ANTRIM, and province of ULSTER, 4 miles (N. W.) from Randalstown; containing 3351 inhabitants. This place, which is an extra-parochial district never having paid either church cess or tithe, is situated on the road from Portglenone to Antrim, and is bounded on the north-west by the river Bann; it comprises, according to the Ordnance survey, 4279¼ statute acres. There is no provision for the cure of souls; the members of the Established Church attend divine service in the contiguous parish of Duneane, in the diocese of Connor. In the R. C. divisions it forms part of the union or district of Ballyscullion, in the diocese of Derry; the chapel is a small plain building; there is also a place of worship for Presbyterians." I noticed that you mentioned the Diocese of Connor. Not being familiar with Irish records or placenames I am not sure what to make of this in terms of R.C. Church lookups. By the way, what does SLC refer to? Thanks, Karen -----Original Message----- From: Maureen Hauge [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 25 January 2002 05:29 To: [email protected] Subject: Aghagallon RC church records Michael, From the 'Guide to Church Records': R.C. Aghagallon (Down and Connor Diocese) Includes the parishes of Aghagallon, Aghalee and part of Ballinderry: Baptisms and Marriages: 1828-89, burials: 1828-48 and 1873-81 These are found at PRONI, use reference MIC.1D/6,63 I realize Belfast Proni is a long way from Rochester, but your local LDS Family History Library may be able to order from SLC, if the records have been copied. It's worth a try. I just recently discovered that many of my Magees were baptized there in the late 1800s. It will eventually reach the top of my look-up list! MaureenH

Michael, From the 'Guide to Church Records': R.C. Aghagallon (Down and Connor Diocese) Includes the parishes of Aghagallon, Aghalee and part of Ballinderry: Baptisms and Marriages: 1828-89, burials: 1828-48 and 1873-81 These are found at PRONI, use reference MIC.1D/6,63 I realize Belfast Proni is a long way from Rochester, but your local LDS Family History Library may be able to order from SLC, if the records have been copied. It's worth a try. I just recently discovered that many of my Magees were baptized there in the late 1800s. It will eventually reach the top of my look-up list! MaureenH

James! Many, many thanks, Jeanne

Hi Listers, I am still trying to get a lead on the death of Hugh McCORMICK who died - without, apparently, being registered - between 1935 and 1946 in Belfast. I have hit a complete brick-wall. Is there a VERY SKS who would give me a hint as to how to procede? Would a Belfast newspaper have an obituary column? Which Newspapers were around in Belfast in the 30's/40's? Please, please somebody help. Hoping muchly, Jeanne McCormick

Try The Irish News (Donegall St) The Belfast Telegraph (Royal Avenue) or The Northern Whig (don't remember the street). ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeanmc" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: McCORMICK > Hi Listers, I am still trying to get a lead on the death of Hugh McCORMICK > who died - without, apparently, being registered - between 1935 and 1946 in > Belfast. I have hit a complete brick-wall. Is there a VERY SKS who would > give me a hint as to how to procede? Would a Belfast newspaper have an > obituary column? Which Newspapers were around in Belfast in the 30's/40's? > Please, please somebody help. Hoping muchly, Jeanne McCormick > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

These newspapers may be on microfilm for the years you mentioned, try contacting your local library they might at least have info on where to find them. Have you searched the civil registration of deaths in Ireland indexes yourself, if not you should. See if there is an LDS Family History Center nearby, if they don't have the death indexes on film for those years they will order them for you, it doesn't cost much. Here is a website which has info re Antrim/Down records, newspapers, civil reg etc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~finna/county/index1.html Colman Ahern, Berkeley.

I've just subscribed to this list, so I thought I'd start by mailing my family history in Antrim. I'm tracing an Agnes BOYLE, b. 13th March 1885 in Casheltown, Portglenone to John BOYLE and Mary (nee MCDONALD). I don't know anything about her brothers or sisters, but Mary Boyle's parents were James MCDONALD and Mary DARAGH. Agnes went on to marry Thomas MCPEAK(E) who was from Derry, son of Thomas MCPEAK and Susan (nee QUINN). I would welcome anyone tracing a similar line - I'm working from certificates I have and as I've not searched in Irish records yet I would also welcome information on tracing Irish ancestry using census/church records etc. A bit OT, but I read some past messages to this list already, and noticed there was someone tracing COWARD in England - I'm also tracing that name and although it's a very common name, it could be worth comparing notes. Simone

I'm researching my Garland ancestors from Co. Antrim who were Roman Catholic. My great grandfather James Garland was born in Lurgill, Ballinderry in August 1865 and immigrated to Canada in 1887 and then to the US in 1890. His father (my great-great grandfather) was also James Garland and was married to Alice Tipping in 1863. They had a least two children; namely, James and Hugh. I believe Alice died and James remarried Ann McCavagan. Together they produced two more children - Anna (b. 1876) and John (b. 1881). They may have lived in Derryclone, Aghagallon at the time. I do know they worshiped at Aghagallon Church (Roman Catholic.) I believe my great-great-great grandfather was also James Garland born in 1799 in Lurgill and married Rachel Ferris in 1826. Between 1820 and 1846, they had several children; namely, John, Eleanor, Jane, Elizabeth, James, William, and Richard. If what I have described above sounds at all familiar or even of slight interest, I'd sure like to hear from you. All the best, Mike Garland Rochester, NY, USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

My Grandmother SARA BELL was born in (we think) County Down, Northern Ireland, in 1875. It may even have been Banbridge. She married ARCHIBALD CUPPLES. She had a brother whose name was GEORGE ALEXANDER BELL who married AGNES ? Any leads at all of any type, anyone? Regards, Coral

I'm searching for the parents of Oliver Wright born abt. 1836 in Ireland. He immigrated to PA, married Martha from PA, and lived in Philadelphia. His children were William, John, Anna, Oliver Jr, James, Joseph. His mother may have been Lucy.They were Protestant. If anyone knows anything of his parents I would be glad to share. Sandy [email protected]

This might be of some interest: http://irishgenealogy.net/1851_census/1851rel.txt it was found by doing a search at this: http://irishgenealogy.net/begin.html Colman Ahern, Berkeley.

Hi reposting interests. Joseph PAGE son of William PAGE married Margaret PATTERSON daughter of John PATTERSON April 22 1878 at 2nd Carrickfergus (Joymount) Presby. Church. Joseph Page of Waringstown, County Down, railway worker William Page, weaver John Patterson, labourer Witnesses John and Ellen Jane Patterson. Thanks Jackie