I'll buy that. Bob Wilson, Stamford, CT Ted Marr <[email protected]> wrote: Just a thought: the names Wholly and similar (in variant spellings) are mostly (in my experience) pronounced like HOOLEY, and I expect that they are mostly versions of the name that we know in that spelling (an Irish name). Names like Wiley, Whiley, etc. are probably quite different and more likely to be English in origin. Ted Marr ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 "PRO ARIS ET PRO FOCIS" --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings!

thank you to everyone who replied with Vernon st can anyone advise what I do next in my search the family(only just found my Dad he died 1983) would there be a census done on the area? fathers birth cert has him as born 38 Vernon st Belfast Thomas Andrew Armstrong -1925 father Matthew Armstrong mother Christina Armstrong says her maiden name Matthew!! anyone advise please thanks Christina Auckland NZ

In 1925 Vernon Street began almost on Botanic Ave., (Posnett Street) one block south of Shaftesbury Square and ran on a curve paralleling the Donegall Pass east towards the Ormeau Road and ending at Havelock Street which came out at the Ormeau Road. Almost all of the houses on Vernon Street were on the south side of the street and backed on the GNR railway line. On the north side there were many streets intersecting Vernon Street such as Pine, Spruce, Beech, Silvergrove, Auburn, and Virginia. This area was known in Belfast as the 'Donegall Pass' area. Posnett Street is still there. I think many of the others may now be gone. Hope this helps. James Ottawa Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Bayleys" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 4:00 AM Subject: new to list-armstrong > hi > I have just received my fathers birth ceritifcate. trying to find Vernon St. Belfast Northern Ireland > Thomas Andrew Armstrong b. 1925 > father Matthew Armstrong > mother Christina Matthew > anyone help > Thanks > Christina > Auckland NZ > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Just a thought: the names Wholly and similar (in variant spellings) are mostly (in my experience) pronounced like HOOLEY, and I expect that they are mostly versions of the name that we know in that spelling (an Irish name). Names like Wiley, Whiley, etc. are probably quite different and more likely to be English in origin. Ted Marr

Hi Christina Vernon Street, or at least part of it still exists. If you go to www.belfast.net/mo/belmap.jpg look for Botanic Station, and Vernon Street is close by. According to the on-line post-code finder, there are 67 "delivery points" in Vernon Street. www.royalmail.com/default.htm and enter the address. Hope this helps. All the best with your search. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: The Bayleys <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 02 February 2002 08:47 Subject: new to list-armstrong >hi >I have just received my fathers birth ceritifcate. trying to find Vernon St. Belfast Northern Ireland >Thomas Andrew Armstrong b. 1925 >father Matthew Armstrong >mother Christina Matthew >anyone help >Thanks >Christina >Auckland NZ > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

hi I have just received my fathers birth ceritifcate. trying to find Vernon St. Belfast Northern Ireland Thomas Andrew Armstrong b. 1925 father Matthew Armstrong mother Christina Matthew anyone help Thanks Christina Auckland NZ

Hi Jane, Could I ask........would Belfast be figured fairly well in Lewis. Would this be the best book to buy to find out about townships, etc. in Belfast? Regards, Jeanne McCormick

Hi Bob "confusing isn't it" Yep! Regards Peter, the older of the tworobbos

Hi again Lee More info! Once again, thanks. Peter, the older of the tworobbos

Dear Jane, Thankyou for making those extracts available :) Best wishes, Penny Cheshire pages, Staffordshire/Shropshire pages www.fountalnpen.com Everything is connected.

to Ireland, the counties, the geography - the people and most imporatantly for all of you - the parishes............differences in placenames as well...........can be gathered by reading through Lewis's Topographical Directory of Ireland. In this work - two volumes, published in 1837 - there is so much information - that people ignore, because they simply don't realise it's importance. There are places described in Lewis and the placename is not to be found in Sean Ruad's IrlAtlas - Lewis gives a name and says 'or' another name. Lewis names the churches associated with a parish, he distinguishes between the established church and the R.C. parish...............he tells us where chapels of ease are..............it's so hard to explain to you all exactly what is in Lewis. For some places names - it will only be a few lines - but then for others there is so much more - the gepgraphy - those illusive placenames - the history - the industries in the area - how many cabins, houses. You learn about specific places in Lewis - but then, if you care to read through all the other places mentioned for that county - you get more of a feel for the county as a whole. Ramble over :-) I've loaded a few pieces from Lewis - counties A to K (except Kildare, Laois also loaded but not other L counties) Jane http://www.from-ireland.net/lewis/allcounties.htm

There has been a bit of traffic lately on the other Antrim list re the surname WYLIE which has reignited an ember that has been smouldering for quite a while now in my ancient memory banks. :-) My mother's maiden name was WHOLEY and she was told when quite young (she's now 92) that the name originated from Ireland - the area was not mentioned. I did read somewhere a long time ago that there was a possibility that WYLIE and WHOLEY might be variants of the same name. Does anyone have any thoughts/knowledge of whether this might be correct? Peter, the older of the tworobbos @ Bairnsdale, gateway to the mountains, lakes, streams (and remnant forests) of East Gippsland

Peter Robinson wrote: My mother's maiden name was WHOLEY ...that the name originated from Ireland. Does anyone have any thoughts/knowledge of whether this might be correct? Peter, There are a couple of possibilities which excludes Whiley, which so far indicates a Scottish or English origin with no Wholey variant. The surname Hoyle/Wholey is found in the England and Wales Civil Registration 1837-199, but only a few. Hoyle is also found in Dromore, Co. Down, Ireland, as well as Dublin. The surname Wholey/Whouley is found in Co. Cork, Ireland in 1819. Lee Ramsey > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Having just received another family certificate I am interested to find out where the above streets are in Belfast. Would SKS be able to let me know if they are both still as they were in 1916. Thanking you all Judith

Peter - I think you can bet the ranch on the possibility that Wylie, Wyly, and Wiley all come from the same Celtic or a/s stock, and that it is likely that Wholey could well be a variant, also. I have the same problem with my "names": Wilson might also be Willson; McNeal could be MacNeal, McNeil or MacNeill or you name it; Cavanaugh could be Kavanaugh or Kavanagh, and so forth and so on. Frustrating, isn't it, but it's still a lot of fun! Bob Wilson, Stamford, CT, USA Peter Robinson <[email protected]> wrote: There has been a bit of traffic lately on the other Antrim list re the surname WYLIE which has reignited an ember that has been smouldering for quite a while now in my ancient memory banks. :-) My mother's maiden name was WHOLEY and she was told when quite young (she's now 92) that the name originated from Ireland - the area was not mentioned. I did read somewhere a long time ago that there was a possibility that WYLIE and WHOLEY might be variants of the same name. Does anyone have any thoughts/knowledge of whether this might be correct? Peter, the older of the tworobbos @ Bairnsdale, gateway to the mountains, lakes, streams (and remnant forests) of East Gippsland ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 "PRO ARIS ET PRO FOCIS" --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now!

Doing a little reading tells me that I was wrong about the 1881 census, there was one taken for Ireland. Below is an account as to why when and how it was destroyed, and reading it will probably give many opinions as to the reasons why, and may equal the number of people who read this! Interesting stuff. http://homepage.tinet.ie/~seanjmurphy/nai/censusmemo.htm The next link has the surviving pages of the 1881 census online, interesting but not much help in finding your ancestors. A wonderful project though, perhaps someday they'll put all the surviving irish census records on the website? http://www.qub.ac.uk/cdda/iredb/1881.htm Colman Ahern, Berkeley.

Virginia Street is a very small street which runs between Donegall Pass and Elm Street. It's not a great map, but if you visit http://www.tourism.belfastcity.gov.uk/pdfs/belfmap.pdf then scroll down until you see BELFAST CITY CENTRE KEY box appearing on the right. If you look to the left of this, you'll see a yellow road running at a slight angle up from horizontal. This is Donegall Pass. Imagine starting from 'Shaftesbury Square' end walking up Donegall Pass. There are a number of small roads on your right. Virginia Street is the 3rd street (very short!) Castlereagh Road is better seen on a larger scale map : http://freespace.virgin.net/hearth.nireland/Belfastmap.html On this map, Castlereagh Road is the one which runs off the map on the bottom right hand side. Sorry it's not more detailled. Stephen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith and Graeme Collins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:01 AM Subject: Re: Virginia Street and Upper Castlereagh Road > Having just received another family certificate I am interested to find out where the above streets are in Belfast. > Would SKS be able to let me know if they are both still as they were in 1916. > > Thanking you all > Judith > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello List, I would like to submit my research names to the list in the hope that there maybe a connection out there somewhere. If someone could please look up the birth certificate reference numbers for Louisa WALLACE born approx. 1904, believed to be born in Northern Ireland, then I can apply for a copy. Also a marriage certificate reference numbers for the marriage of Louisa WALLACE to Thomas BOLTON (of Kilrea)N.I. around 1940. Thomas BOLTONs mother ne McCARTNEY. I understand that Thomas BOLTON had a sister Lilly or Lillian. Any help would be most appreciated. It is very difficult trying to research from here in Western Australia and Northern Ireland is not included in the 1881 census, for security reasons and I understand that. I am wanting to do this research purely for the interest of my children and grandchildren. Thank you for reading this email. Yours sincerely Una. Una(WARD)HARRISON Researching in the Fylde district of Lancashire. WILKINSON,PEARSON,CARDWELL,WARD,DAGGER/BOARDMAN. Researching in Essex LUCKIN(G)(S),KEMP,SANSON.SAMSON,CLARK,MATTHAMS (all spellings and variations accepted) BOLTON,WALLACE, N.Ireland.

I've been busy transcribing the burial records for this cemetery. So far, I've done nearly half the entries (116 burials covering the dates 27th June 1878 to 15th September 1898) I should have the rest transcribed by the end of the weekend. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~stephenbarnes/monkstown/ Tables of Surnames and locations given below. Stephen. Ps. I've added a guestbook. If you find anything of use to your research, please let me know! SURNAMES Bailey1 Bolton1 Boyd7 Braithwaite1 Brannan1 Brown1 Campbell3 Clawson1 Connor 1 Connors1 Courtney1 Dalton4 Devlin3 Dixon3 Donaghy1 Dornan3 Duncan1 Elliot3 Ervin1 Finney1 Hagan3 Hanna1 Hays1 Hill8 Hopkirk1 Hosburry1 Hoy1 Kilpatrick2 Kinney1 Kirkpatrick1 Lucas2 Lundy2 Malcome1 Markburn1 Martin1 McConnell2 McDade1 McGlean1 McKeown1 Mellon1 Miller1 Milliken1 Minnis2 Molloy1 Montgomery1 Moore5 O'Hara3 O'Rorke3 Pasley1 Ransom1 Ross5 Sharp5 Shaw5 Simpson1 Smith4 Stewart Coll1 Surname1 Taggart1 Tinney1 White1 LOCATIONS Ballyhenry1 Ballyhone4 Belfast31 Carrickfergus4 Jordanstown3 Kings Bog2 Monkstown36 My Lords Mountain2 Straidnahanna1 Whiteabbey9 Kings Moss1 Larne1 Greenisland3 Whitehouse4 Knockagh1 Strandtown, Belfast1 Woodburn2 Silverstream1 Carrick Junction1 Slievetrue3 Cloughfern1 Legoneil1 ******************************************** Stephen Barnes www.blackthorndrive.co.uk ********************************************

Smokey, Thank you, thank you, thank you. You know what I'll be searching tonight. MaureenH [email protected] wrote: > > Subject: > > NIR-ANTRIM-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 13 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Aghagallon RC Church records [Maureen Hauge <[email protected]>] > #2 Re: Aghagallon RC Church records [[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from NIR-ANTRIM-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the NIR-ANTRIM-D list administrator, send mail to > [email protected] > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Aghagallon RC Church records > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:27:42 -0500 > From: Maureen Hauge <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Sorry Mike. > > I don't know if the church still exists. Maybe someone on the list will > have that information and will let us know. > > But in another book "Irish Gravestone Inscriptions, A Guide to Sources > in Ulster" by William O'Kane & Eoin Kerr, Editors, I copied the > following: Listed under County Antrim: > > Civil parish: Aghagallon > Cemetery: St Patrick > Denomination: RC > > Hopefully the church will have the same name. > > I also found a note that the church Records are in Proni, as mentioned, > and also at the National Library in Dublin. Let me know if you have any > luck with the LDS films. > > MaureenH > > PS To All: I only have these notations not the books. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Re: Aghagallon RC church records > > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:45:52 -0800 (PST) > > From: Michael Garland <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > > > Thanks Maureen, I will definitely follow-up with the local LDS. > > > > Do you know if the Church still exists? > > > > Regards, > > > > Mike > > --- Maureen Hauge <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Michael, > > > > > > From the 'Guide to Church Records': > > > > > > R.C. Aghagallon (Down and Connor Diocese) > > > Includes the parishes of Aghagallon, Aghalee and part of Ballinderry: > > > Baptisms and Marriages: 1828-89, burials: 1828-48 and 1873-81 > > > > > > These are found at PRONI, use reference MIC.1D/6,63 > > > > > > I realize Belfast Proni is a long way from Rochester, but your local LDS > > > Family History Library may be able to order from SLC, if the records > > > have been copied. It's worth a try. > > > > > > I just recently discovered that many of my Magees were baptized there in > > > the late 1800s. > > > It will eventually reach the top of my look-up list! > > > MaureenH > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Aghagallon RC Church records > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:26:21 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Hi, > The following has contact info for Aghagallon: > > http://www.downandconnor.org/old/Country/aghagallon.htm > > It's one of several websites listed at this: > > http://www.downandconnor.org/ > > which is one of many sites listed at: > > http://home.att.net/~Local_Catholic/Catholic-Ireland.htm > > Which gives good info if you are looking for RC parish info/records in > Ireland. The Down and Connor site is very slow so give it time. St. > Patrick's is probably the church you are looking for, there is an > address etc for the PP. > > Colman Ahern > > Berkeley.