My ancestor John Logan listed his home town as "Monaghan" on the ship register, and I have been mistakenly assuming it was Monaghan City in County Monaghan. This did not fit with family lore which said he was from C ounty Antrim. Most of the records I could find pointed to the Ballymena area. On your table I see the Monaghan Townland with a registrar's district of Ballymena. Deb Logan Pittsburgh

I have loaded some pages with the names of townalands associated with some civil registration districts or Poor Law Unions that cover Co. Antrim to my Antrim web page at: http://www.from-ireland.net/contents/antrimcont.htm The districts I have covered are: Antrim http://www.from-ireland.net/plusdeds/antrim.htm Ballycastle http://www.from-ireland.net/plusdeds/ballycastle.htm Ballymena http://www.from-ireland.net/plusdeds/ballymena.htm I am interested in adding the DED reference numbers to each table, along with the LDS or FHC reference for the film on which information relating to any of these places for the Irish 1901 and 1911 census. If there are any people, who do have the appropriate references and who would care to pass them on to me for inclusion - then I would really appreciate this as it would save me some time and be of benefit to others who view these pages and who have access to films through their local FHC. Thanks, Jane

Lee, Thankyou very much for this information. It's a great help. Sybil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Ramsey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:11 PM Subject: Re: What is a Townland please? Sybil Cameron in Sydney wrote: William GIFFEN, son of Hugh Giffen, married Mary MARTIN, daughter of Joseph Martin of Carnmoney, in 1755. "Joseph Martin had a farm of eighty acres in the Townland of McCammond's Town for which he had to pay a fine of £23.6.9 in rent and duty to one Alexander McLintock and his under tenants in 1750." Would you be able to tell me where McCammond's Town was please? REPLY: Carnmoney is a civil parish in the barony of Lower Belfast, County of Antrim, 3 miles NE of Belfast. The name "McCammond's Town" does not show up among the townland list. http://www.seanruad.com/ There is a "Monkstown" located in the barony of Lower Belfast, parish of Carmmoney; and which contained 811 acres. The area where the Martins lived may have been called "McCammond's Town" after a local person named McCammond, and was not officially recorded as a townland; but, then I do not find that spelling matching a surname. The townland (settlement) was the smallest unit of administration, and was named after topographical features, a social customs, history or a local family. name. Many of the Gaelic townlands have been anglicised, and new ones were created with the passing of time and some have been renamed. You can also search for townlands and records at PRONI: http://proni.nics.gov.uk/index.htm Lee Ramsey Dallas, GA USA > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In a previous e-mail I described the search for information about my grandfather William MARTIN, baptised in St Johnston, County Donegal and who worked as a Postman. His baptism is recorded on 1 March 1857 but no address details are provided and none of the land records mention his father, James. A search of the Post Office employment records for Derry City was carried out to see if the James MARTIN home address in Donegal is mentioned and an account provided of William's education. My brother carried out a search 15 February 2002 at Heritage Services, Consignia plc. Freeling House, London under 'Occupations' which provided the following information; "Oct.1877 137430 Martin. Wm. Londonderry L.C. 7376". LC is believed to stand for Learner Clerk or Learner Counter. The references apparently allude to further material lost in a fire. Staff at Heritage claimed that the Post Office 'Pensions and Grants' book for N. Ireland is in Belfast at PRONI and it is possible to access other records through it. The Records of Londonderry Post Office in PRONI, Belfast include: ref GPO/5/5 Establishment Books 1892-1900 /6 " " 1900-1906 /7 " " 1907-1911 /8 " " 1911-1921 /9 " " 1922-1936 /10 Register of Employees in Londonderry 1855-1892 A search in PRONI revealed that William MARTIN (b.1 January 1857) was employed as a R.P. (rural postman) L.derry to St Johnston from 1 July 1873 until 19 December 1876 and that he obtained a Civil Service Certificate on 26 July 1873. His salary was 18 shillings, rising to 24 shillings per week in 1 April 1892. He later became a Town Postman in 1877 in Derry City, obtained a good conduct stripe and 6 shillings in 1908 (Clearly he had not been delivering the post to the wrong addresses) and retired in June 1913. The Civil Service Certificate is interesting because those persons taking the examination have to provide proof of age. The Civil Service Commission: Evidences of Age CSE 1 file has been deposited with the Society of Genealogists under s3(6) of the Public Records Act 1958, in 1987 ([email protected]). Photocopies of individual records can be obtained at a cost of £11 each and, in this case, provided some interesting Postman Bill information. (Civil Records in Ireland only began in 1864). William MARTIN's evidence of age details were provided in the form of a statement sworn by his father, in the presence of a JP viz I, James Martin, of St Johnston in the County of Donegal, Butcher, declare that my son William Martin was born on 12 January 1857. Dated 11 April 1873 and signed by Mr McClintock JP. The affidavit was accompanied by two letters signed by the Rev. Michael Martin PP regarding the baptism of William (of St Johnston), by Rev. James Stephens PP on 1 March 1857. (Mother Eliza. Burns and sponsor Mary Martin) We can now conclude that Postman Bill came from the town of St Johnston, that his father was a butcher, his mother's maiden name was Burns and that he was born on either 1 or 12 January 1857. If Postman Bill's father was a butcher in 1873, will his name appear in any of the gazetteers of the period, such as "Thom's Irish Almanac & Official Directory 1877". Any chance of a look up for James MARTIN the "Butcher of St Johnston"? Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the Cat"

Would a kind soul please be able to help me? William GIFFEN, son of Hugh Giffen, married Mary MARTIN, daughter of Joseph Martin of Carnmoney, in 1755. There is a statement in our family history as follows: "Joseph Martin had a farm of eighty acres in the Townland of McCammond's Town for which he had to pay a fine of £23.6.9 in rent and duty to one Alexander McLintock and his under tenants in 1750." Would you be able to tell me where McCammond's Town was please? Many thanks Sybil Cameron Sydney

I've mentioned 'Outrage Reports' in my post on indexes and this first example is 'specially with Norm in mind (I don't have your email address) I gave the A and B listings from the 1832 Military Index in my last post - the following are transcriptions of actual documents or letters/reports from the 1836 Outrage Reports - Outrage reports are police reports writtn to the Inspector General for a county in relation to occurrances for which there was some police involvement by (usually) the Chief inspector of the area or his next in command. I've found the reports interesting since I first discovered them - I haven't gone through the indexes as I did with the Military Index, simply requested the information on two counties so far and looked at them. As with the Military Index, I don't think that these have been filmed by the LDS - maybe someone else will know and tell me - please? I'm only sending a few as there are so many and again, I have not gone back through any of these to check on placenames or spellings today compared to the past, or even where I may have made some error in my transcription. That has yet to be done. Jane Burglary and ?? Ballymoney 8th Feby 1836 On the night of the 10th instant, the dwelling house of John Chesnut, (Presbyterian) near Dervock, in the parish of Derrykeighan, Barony of Dunluce was broken into and three sovereigns stolen out of a drawer in which is was supposed that a larger sum was kept. The family were at a party at a neighbours house when the robbery was committed. The Police immediately searched persons suspected by without any success. ?Peter Mulholland Chief Constable To: The Inspector General Dungannon Waylaying & very desperate assault, amounting to a Whiteboy offence. Portglenon 2th Feby 1836 At twelve o'clock on the night of Tuesday the 23rd Feby last, a person names ...Dysart (Dysact) knocked on the ..of the dwelling house of Michl Rea, of Braknamarkley, Parish of Ahoghile, Barony of Lower Toome, stating that his cow was pulling the corn stack and deceiving him to get up which he accordingly did, when he was assalted by two men, whohurt him most grievously and fractured his arms - the persons who infliceted this injury are known - they are Protestants - and the sufferer is a Catholic. Mr. Jones has recd his information and a warrant is in my hands for their apprehension - the cause assigned for this barbarious outrage is that Michl Rea was supposed to have given information to Mr. Hammil of Portglenone, that one of the assailants had imposed upon him a fraudulent piece of linen for which offence he had been fined by Mr. Jones, at the previous petty sessions of the town. Chev. L. Kemmett Chief Constable Mr. Jones desires me to say that he does not report this outrage to the Governer? As he supposes it will be forwarded by you. Glenarm 11th February 1836 Last night the 10th Instant, the Cow House of John Morrow (Protestant) who resides in the village of Carnlough adjacent to this town, in the Parish of Ardclinis and Barony of Glenarm (late P...Serjeant ot the Glenarm Yeomanry Corps) was discovered on fire about seven o'clock and immediately communicated to the dwelling house attached - which contained 5700 rounds of ?bale cartridges in casks and 5 stands of arms, belonging to the Corps, owing to the exations of the Police and inhabitant, the ammunition and arms were safely got out, anlodged in the Police Barracks - It was supposed to be purely accidental from the circumstances of a Black smith, who was shoeing Cart Wheels close to the house, during the day and the ... were thrown incautiously about by some wanton boys. J.Ross C.C. (1st Class) Colonel Sir F. Stovin K.C.B. Inspector General N.B. From the prompt assistance which was rendered the house sustained little injury. Waylaying Antrim December 31st 1835 On the night of 24th inst. As a man named Chism, a Protestant living in the Parish and Barony of Antrim was returning from the market of this town he was overtaken by nine men who asked him his name and on answering they told him that it was a bad name to go to the (?C)haple, they then knocked him down saying he was an Orangeman also that they would make him to be more civil to his mothers side of the name - she being a Roman Catholic The parties are all unknown to Chism but one of the name of them a catholic. Chism has been confined to bed from the injury he dist... and has not yet lodged information against them J. Wright

Sybil Cameron in Sydney wrote: William GIFFEN, son of Hugh Giffen, married Mary MARTIN, daughter of Joseph Martin of Carnmoney, in 1755. "Joseph Martin had a farm of eighty acres in the Townland of McCammond's Town for which he had to pay a fine of £23.6.9 in rent and duty to one Alexander McLintock and his under tenants in 1750." Would you be able to tell me where McCammond's Town was please? REPLY: Carnmoney is a civil parish in the barony of Lower Belfast, County of Antrim, 3 miles NE of Belfast. The name "McCammond's Town" does not show up among the townland list. http://www.seanruad.com/ There is a "Monkstown" located in the barony of Lower Belfast, parish of Carmmoney; and which contained 811 acres. The area where the Martins lived may have been called "McCammond's Town" after a local person named McCammond, and was not officially recorded as a townland; but, then I do not find that spelling matching a surname. The townland (settlement) was the smallest unit of administration, and was named after topographical features, a social customs, history or a local family. name. Many of the Gaelic townlands have been anglicised, and new ones were created with the passing of time and some have been renamed. You can also search for townlands and records at PRONI: http://proni.nics.gov.uk/index.htm Lee Ramsey Dallas, GA USA > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

and an index to what I guess may be people's question - wondering why I am not more specific in this....my few words here are in relation to a set of indexes on the shelves of the NA and which are general - the list at the bottom of this mail is under the title 'Military Index' and don't let that title fool you - there's more to these than just army in some ways :-) In the shelves in the National Archives in Dublin lie various indexes or indices - the early ones seem to be one mish mash of a lot of things - but then some are broken up or indexed separately - by broken up I mean that in the later years there are titles to some of these indexes. By 1832 we have the Military Index and we have a Yeomanry index.........by 1836 we have Outrages or police reports.......... and prior to and after these years there are general indexes and I haven't really looked at any of those yet. Now, the indexes are just that - indexes. They give some bit of an account of various official documents. So, for the outrage or police reports each report written by any Chief Constable or his underlings was sent on to the Inspector General and then given a title and a reference number - these are now filed by county though whether that has always been the way or not I don't know. The Military index is different - here each document has a number and then the index has been created in an alphabetical fashion from what I can see....A's and B's and so on.......... The thing about these documents - whether they are reports or simple letters, - whatever is that a certain number of them still exist in the NA - by asking for the document by number you can get to read the original if this is so. Regardless, the indexes by themselves are worth something to the family historian if they happen to spot some name that they are interested in listed...and if it happens to be a document that does still exist well, then there would be more information These indexes have not been published in any journal that I know of - unless the Military ones have been in 'The Sword', but other than that none. I don't knwo if they have been filmed by the LDS - maybe someone else can tell us that. I'm including here the A's and B's from the Military index for 1832 - just so's you can see the kind of information that is in the index alone............there is mention of Marriage certificates, letters, people requesting pensions, some pieces on soldiers who were transported, movement of soldiers around Ireland - mothers enquiring of their sons - all kinds of things in these indexes - maybe not all in these A's and B's but the index continues through the rest of the alphabet. The first line is misleading in that it makes you think that the index is only going to be about appointments to the army. What I'm posting is from a first reading of the index - I haven't edited it or checked names in other docs - and there may be mistakes, there may be words I couldn't read today that I'll read easily enough when I go back again - so, if you do spot something in here and I do have a question mark anywhere on the entry please ask me at some stage in the future if I worked out what it should be. I'm sending this to the Antrim lists as well - apologies to those who receive it more than once. Jane 1832 Military Index Appointments to the Army in Ireland - Correspondence relating to, to cease. 21. Anderson, John - Certificate of his services in 23rd Dragoons 45. Artillery Royal permitted to exercise in the Phoenix Park 79. Adj. Genl Depy. - respecting blank routes 011. Armstrong, Captn. - Soliciting appointment of District Adjt. At Cork 016 Artillery Royal - Passage to the Colonies of the Wives of Soldiers of. 114. Adg. Genl. Depy - Blank Routes 121 Adj Genl. Depy. - Requesting a list of names & stations ofYeom Brigade Majors 135. Armit & Boroughs - Franking of remittances &c. 319. Adjt. Genl. Depy - requesting a supply of blank routes 321. Antrim Mila (Militia) Jas. S. Moore, Esq., Junr., appointed Captain in. 332 Antrim Mila (Militia) Resignation of Ensign Di?ckey. 332 Antrim Mila - Appointment of A. Dunlop Esq., ?vied? B's 17 Bryen, Henry - Enquiry requesting Billets 30. Beard, Geo., a Deserter commited to the Bridewell at Newry 60. Brennan, M. D. Article in Tralee Mercury ?resp Mila allowances &c. 901. Benson, Lieut. - Representation respecting the 50th Regt. 104. Byrne, Mr. Gunpowder Vender - Robbery of 130 Beresford, Lt. Col., discontinued as Asst. ?2r?Lr. Master General 133. Burdett, Mrs. Applying for copies of correspondence between her and Mrs. Goulbarn 144. Billeting of the Troops - Circular letter respecting 147. Billets to be provided by the Constables of Parishes 177. Bingham, M. Genl. Sir George to command the troops during Sir. H. Vivian's absence 209. Brown, Mrs. Rebecca - Enquiry respecting the property of Capn. Phillips 44th Foot. 210. Brown, Mrs. Marriage Certificate of 212 Basworth, Private John. Attendance required at the Kilkenny Assizes 213. Brannon, Private, Thos. Sentence of transportation passed 227. Borehan, Mrs. Marriage Certificate of 241. Brereton, Private Martin, false information of, respecting Mr. Going's murder 240. Boyle, Edwd. - Transported for Desertion 244. Brady, Lieut., respecting the delay in issuing his half pay 259. Burke, Bridget - respecting her son John Burke 261.Bulkankle, Jas. Sentence of transportation against. 267. Brannon, Private, Thos. - Struck off the ?52nd (or 32nd) Foot 2601 Blacke, Richd. Application for a commuted allowance &c. 2901 Brown, Private Fredk. Court Martial upon 305 Buchan, Major Gen. Sir John appointed on the Staff protempore 307 Bishop, Lieut. Respecting his Mila half pay in the event of his joining Don Pedro's Service. 314 Bat?lie, John. Praying for a pension 327 Blakeney, M. Genl. Sir E. appointed to command the Troops pre temporare 347 Bishop, Mrs. Marriage Certificate of.

Can anyone be of assistance please I am looking for information on Margaret Hamilton born 1822? in Antrim, parents are John Hamilton and Eliza Martin. Married Hugh Shannon on 12 October 1838 in Glasgow. Andrew

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Hello Kathleen, My interest in Islandmagee stems from some photographs given to me by my father. Written on the back of these are the placenames where the photographs were taken. Various placenames are mentioned, including Sunnymount, Islandmagee 1925. Also Kilroot 1925, Musgrave Park,Belfast 1925, Bellahill,Eden 1925 and the Bandstand, Alexandre Park, Belfast 1925. On one of these photographs, my grandmother is sitting with a group of people. I would like to know what Sunnymount is or was? a village? a house? Also, the group of people may be related in some way to my grandmother, but I cannot make a connection. Her maiden name was Nicholson, and her mothers maiden name was Simpson. I am wondering if any of the people on the photographs bear the same surname? Thanks for any help Bry

In a message dated 4/20/02 9:38:56 PM, [email protected] writes: << I am guessing that they married between 1860 and 1862, hopefully in Antrim. Could anyone help me on this? Or tell me how to go about finding the info myself? >> If they were protestant, marriages were recorded beginning in 1845. If they were Catholic, however, marriages weren't recorded by the government until 1864. Then, you need to rely on parish records if you know the specific area they were from. L

Hi Everybody, Researching Simpson family c.1925. Sunnymount, Islandmagee. I have photographs of my grandmother sitting with what could be possible relations. My great grandmother was Jane Simpson from Armley in Leeds. Any info gratefully accepted, Bry

Hello; I am looking for my ancestors James and Jane QUINN. They left Antrim in 1862 and sailed to New Zealand. I can document their departure and arrival. James was born 12 Dec. 1835 (also shown in US census as 23 Dec. 1835). Jane was born 25 May 1827. The ship manifest from Antrim lists their ages as 25 and 31 respectively. I would like to try to find their marriage record. I am guessing that they married between 1860 and 1862, hopefully in Antrim. Could anyone help me on this? Or tell me how to go about finding the info myself? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated! Thanks a lot..Janet

Lorin; I too am in search of McKAY from Co.Antrim. Mine were from Belfast. James McKAy married Margaret HATTON, around 1900 or so, in St. Paul's RC Church. They lived on Malcomsome Street. It doesn't appear we have a connection here though. Maybe someone else can connect with our McKAY's. Kind regards, Sharon/ USA --- Lorin Mackey <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Listers; > I am engaging in a great leap of faith here. I > would like to contact > any Mackays from Antrim Co. > My 3rd Gr Grandfather, James Mackey b1773 Antrim > Parish, d1853 USA. > He changed his name from MACKAY to MACKEY whilst in > school. > He and his wife ELIZABETH TIPPIN/G emigrated to > the US in about 1831 > or 1832 with 5(?) children. > As far as I know, he was the only one of his > family to change his > name. I don't know if he had any siblings. > His father was THOMAS MACKAY m ELIZABETH TATE. > > A MACKAY contact would sure be wonderful, Thank > You, > Lorin Mackey > Canada > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== [email protected] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/

Hello Listers; I am engaging in a great leap of faith here. I would like to contact any Mackays from Antrim Co. My 3rd Gr Grandfather, James Mackey b1773 Antrim Parish, d1853 USA. He changed his name from MACKAY to MACKEY whilst in school. He and his wife ELIZABETH TIPPIN/G emigrated to the US in about 1831 or 1832 with 5(?) children. As far as I know, he was the only one of his family to change his name. I don't know if he had any siblings. His father was THOMAS MACKAY m ELIZABETH TATE. A MACKAY contact would sure be wonderful, Thank You, Lorin Mackey Canada

could anyone please help, I have my fathers parents name and have checked Northern Ireland marriages 1918-1929 and cannot find them could anyone make some suggestions: here are my details from fathers birth certificate Thomas Andrew Armstrong born 1925 Vernon St Belfast(possible siblings, Jean, Matthew, Margaret) from childhood memories father: Matthew Armstrong mother: Christina Matthew (Matthew is listed as her maiden name) any help or suggestions really appreciated regards Christina

I found several old photographs when I was cleaning out my dad's stuff. Several of them were taken by J. Phillips, 45 Donegall Place, Belfast. They all look like they were taken around the turn of the century ( ~1900 or so). Only one has a name written on the back. It is a photo of a little boy standing on a wicker bench holding a spinning top (a child's toy). The name Gerald McCreann is written on back. I have no idea if these are photos are of my relatives or not, but I suspect they are. I don't know which side either -- Maggie Fitzpatrick ( my grandmother -- her parents were Neill Fitzpatrick and Margaret McAlinden), or David McCourt ( my grandfather -- his parents were Hugh McCourt and Ann Jane Byrns). Does anyone on the list recognize that name or the photo studio? My cousins in Belfast tell me that studio is no longer there. I would like to post these pictures on the internet and see if anyone can help identify them, but I do not have a web site. Any suggestions on how I should do that?? Thanks for your help. Kathy Vacek

To Katina Truman - If you have a passenger list for the 1767 sailing of the "Earl of Donegal" to Charleston from Antrim, I have a remote family relative (named WISEMAN) would would be interested in learning if this ship left from the port of LARNE in Antrim, and whether any of her ancestors from that family were aboard. Can you help? Bob Wilson - Stamford, CT (Researching WISEMAN and DUNLAP families from Antrim) Katina Truman <[email protected]> wrote: I have researched my Harper Family to Northern Ireland, County Antrim. My 6ggrandfather, William Harper b. 1704 married Margaret Knox approx 1730. She was born approx. 1711. My 5ggrandfather, John Harper , was born in Antrim in 1753 (or 1754). I am looking for information about the family in Ireland, and any direction on how to continue my research in the County of Antrim. Thank you. Katina (Harper) Truman [email protected] ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 "PRO ARIS ET PRO FOCIS" --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more

I have researched my Harper Family to Northern Ireland, County Antrim. My 6ggrandfather, William Harper b. 1704 married Margaret Knox approx 1730. She was born approx. 1711. My 5ggrandfather, John Harper , was born in Antrim in 1753 (or 1754). I am looking for information about the family in Ireland, and any direction on how to continue my research in the County of Antrim. Thank you. Katina (Harper) Truman [email protected]