Given that the Y-IRL group began a Co. Down week this week, when I was in the NL today I requested a Down and Connor RC parish film, I wasn't thinking too straight - but, I began transcribing - the whole of the first page of the film which was actually the end of the film, that is to say 1880 - and then selected names after that. The film itself is a beauty, or at least these later years are - easy to read, nicely organised. Baptisms - childs name, parents names - no mention of placenames except in a very odd occassional place - then the sponsors names and even in some instances who they married and where. The following is from an excel file - some of the headings have no entries, I leave the working out of it all to anyone who finds a name they are interested in. The first row here gives my list of headings. If anyone should find something they are interested in, and really not be able to break up the lines - then please mail me and I will try to explain it. This is actually a Co. Antrim parish church. All Mc's are listed as M' Jane Surname Name Father Surname Mother Name From Date Year Surname Name Surname S2 Name Married Year Brown Catherine Patrick M'Donnell Mary Ann Sept 22nd 878 Black Michael Hoyd Mary Kelly, James, Monaclough Culfeightrin Butler Ann Francis Duncan Peggy Ballynagough, Carpenter Aug 8th 1880 Dillon Catherine - Drumadoon Parents innupti Carr Margaret Denis Cassidy Mary Ann Dec 4th 1880 O'Hara Mrs Coils Henry Daniel Darragh Mary Dec 20th 1870 Coils Henry McNeill Mary Connor Patrick Charles M'Caughan Cath. May 25th 1879 Gillin Patrick Gillin Cath Connor Catherine Chas M'Caughan C. Jan 20th 1877 Gillin Patrick Gillin Mary Connor Mary Ann Chas M'Caughan Catherine Feb 7th 1871 M'Donnell Ann Connor John Chas. M'Caughan Catherine Aug 7th 1872 M'Donnell Patrick Connor Margt. Connor Alicia John McIver Mary Ann Sept 7th 1879 Iver Michael Connor Sarah Connor John John M'Ive?s or r Mary Ann Oct 20th 1876 M'Ives Michael Gillin Ann Connor Sarah John M'Ive?s or r Mary Ann June 16th 1875 M'Auley Hugh M'Auley Sarah Connor Daniel John Magill Mary Jan 27th 1874 M'Fadden Jane Connor James Andrew John M'Ilreary Ann Sept 7th 1873 M'Carry James M'Auley Cath Connor John Not named Not Named CONVERT Oct 14th 1874 M'Iver Mary Ann Culfeightrin Ferguson Daniel John M'Kernan Mary Oct 26th 1878 M'Kernan Chas M'Kernan Margt. Ferguson Sarah John M'Kernan M Sept 11th 1876 M'Kernan Charles M'Kernan Bridget Ferguson Mary Ann John M'Kernan Mary Oct 5th 1872 M'Kernan ?Chr M'Kernan Bridget Ferguson John John M'Kernan Mary Sept 21t 1870 Dillon Alex M'Duffee Mary Fishe Francis Denis Thomas M'Cambridge Sarah Oct 2nd 1880 Scally Denis M'Garry ?Mrs Kane Margaret John Orr M.J June 17th 1880 M'Neill John ?Stewart Rose Lynn Mary Ann Arch Duncan Mary Sept 20th 1880 Duncan Hugh Lynn Cath Lynn Catherine Archd Sharkey Mary Nov 14th 1880 ?Hunte Dl Lynn Cath. M'Alishe Martha Jane Daniel Shaw Oct 22nd 1876 M'Mullan Kelly R?? M'Alishe James M'Alishe John M'Kinley Cath Dec 5th 1880 M'Alishe Jas Magill Bridget McKinley, Mary Ballypatrick Carey M'Auley Catherine Archd M'Cormick Mary June 14th 1878 Sinclair alias Sharpe Margt Parents innupti M'Bride Ann Patrick M'Caughlan Lizzie June 17th 1880 M'Caughlan John M'Caughlan Josephine Ann M'Caughan Ellen Jane Alen Quinn C. June 28th 1878 M'Caughan Hugh Kelly Ann M'Caughan Robert Aler Quinn Cath. Nov 23rd 1879 M'Caughan Alen Kelly Mary M'Caughan Ann Alex Quinn Catherine Dec 10th 1871 Brown Denis Kelly Ann M'Caughan Rosetta Patrick M'Alishe Jane Oct 26th 1879 Cassly Thos Kelly Rose M'Clements John James ?M'Grath S. Oct 4th 1880 M'Clements John M'Cormick Margaret Denis Sharkey ?S. Feb 2nd 1881 M'Cormick Bridget M'Garry John Bernard O'Connor Ann Jan 21st 1876 O'Connor Denis O'Connor Margt. M'Garry Sarah James Kane Mary Jan 23rd 1881 Kane John M'Garry Mary Ann M'Kay Catherine Andy Nevin Rachel Oct 24th 1880 Laverty ?Mrs M'Loughlin Elizabeth John M'Neill Cath. Nov 29th 1880 M'Loughlin Mary Ann M'Mullan Jane John M'Gowan Rose Dec 13th 1879 Kelly ?Tom Black Mary Ann M'Alinden, Patrick Culfeightrin M'Neill ANn John M'Mullin Ellen June 26th 1880 Milligan Mary A. ?Apna, Joseph - St. Patricks Belfst O'Connor Margaret Jane Chas M'Caughan C. Jan 9th 1875 M'Donnell John M'Henry Mary Ann Osborne Patrick Hugh Duncan Margt Jan 1st 1881 Duncan John Black Mary ?black, Charlotte Culfeightrin Scally Denis Denis M'Afee Catherine Feb 18th 1871 M'Afee Hugh M'Afee Mary Sinclair Bridget John M'Cambridge MArgt Nov 11th 1876 M'Kinley Dl M'Cambridge Ann Sinclair Daniel John M'Cambridge M. Feb 13th 1875 M'Cambridge John M'Kinley Margt. Connolly, Catherines - St. John's Belfast Winter Mary Hugh M'Donnell C. Nov 28th 1880 Black P. Winter Ellen Winter Catherine John ?Hunter Catherine April 16th 1877 M'Lean John Hunter Cath

I am trying to find the marriage of Samuel Taylor to Mary Ann Wilson circa 1825 in County Antrim. Any help would be appreciated.

Dear Lee Ramsey, Thank you for the information, it is very much appreciated. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee Ramsey <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 10:06 PM Subject: Re: Broadley > > Carol wrote: > > If anyone has come across the Broadley name I would love to hear from you. > > REPLY: The surname Broadley seems to be somewhat rare as far as the surname > distribution list are concern: > > Only one (1) is found in Griffith Valuation 1857-1864, and that was in the > County of Donegal, Civil Parish of Raphoe, Poor Law Union Strabane, > Stranorlar & Leterkenny. The year of visitation was 1857; given name not > provided. > > The 1796 Irish Flax Growers list shows six (6) and all in County Donegal: > > Charles Broadley - Lower Moville Parish > Daniel Broadley - Kilmacrenan Parish > James Broadley - Moville Parish > James Broadley - Raphoe Parish > William Broadley - Raphoe Parish > William Broadley - Tully [Tullyfern?] Parish > > With all these Broadley's in the flax growing business it is very > interesting that in 1808, a Ben Broadley owned a Cotton Wool and Tow Card > Manufactures Company at 20 Smithfield in Belfast. > > Many families formed a very close cartel in businesses like this and may be > related to one another. > > Lee Ramsey > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Bob Kane has sent me a map of Billy parish which is colour coded to show the baronies and PLU's of Billy parish..........there is a thumbnail on my Antrim page at: http://www.from-ireland.net/contents/antrimcont.htm so if you want to see this then click on the image. I've loaded the list of townlands that were part of Ballymoney Poor Law Union and civil registration district to the site also - these are at: http://www.from-ireland.net/plusdeds/ballymoney.htm Jane www.from-ireland.net

Carol wrote: If anyone has come across the Broadley name I would love to hear from you. REPLY: The surname Broadley seems to be somewhat rare as far as the surname distribution list are concern: Only one (1) is found in Griffith Valuation 1857-1864, and that was in the County of Donegal, Civil Parish of Raphoe, Poor Law Union Strabane, Stranorlar & Leterkenny. The year of visitation was 1857; given name not provided. The 1796 Irish Flax Growers list shows six (6) and all in County Donegal: Charles Broadley - Lower Moville Parish Daniel Broadley - Kilmacrenan Parish James Broadley - Moville Parish James Broadley - Raphoe Parish William Broadley - Raphoe Parish William Broadley - Tully [Tullyfern?] Parish With all these Broadley's in the flax growing business it is very interesting that in 1808, a Ben Broadley owned a Cotton Wool and Tow Card Manufactures Company at 20 Smithfield in Belfast. Many families formed a very close cartel in businesses like this and may be related to one another. Lee Ramsey > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear List, I am new to the list and am researching the name Broadley. Owen Broadley b. 1829-30 Helen Broadley b. 1840-42 Both from Northern Ireland. If anyone has come across the Broadley name I would love to hear from you. I have been unable to locate either ancestors, and don't know where to go from here. Sincerely, Carol

Of course, you are absolutely right. The Battle of the Boyne, not Culloden. Sorry about that! [email protected] wrote: Culloden Battle was 1746 -- fought in Scotland, near Inverness. The 1690 battle was called the "Battle of the Boyne." James Stewart, who fought in the Battle of Culloden, came to Co. Derry about 1752. Robert Louis Stevenson based two of his novels on events which took place after the Culloden Battle. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 "PRO ARIS ET PRO FOCIS" --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience

Culloden Battle was 1746 -- fought in Scotland, near Inverness. The 1690 battle was called the "Battle of the Boyne." James Stewart, who fought in the Battle of Culloden, came to Co. Derry about 1752. Robert Louis Stevenson based two of his novels on events which took place after the Culloden Battle.

In a message dated 5/22/2002 9:00:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > There was great prejudice in the United States at that time against the > Irish > and particularly against Irish Catholics. One had a better chance of > making > a living if he was Protestant. It was because of this prejudice that the > term "Scotch Irish" came into common use. > Hi Bill, I think this theory is correct,,,I know the Irish weren't welcome in this area except to do menial labor that the "English" folks didn't want........Paula

The Scots-Irish were so named because they were mainly poor people of protestant Lowland Scotland and North England heritage who were settled in the "new" Ulster 'plantation' by the English monarchy, which had defeated the native catholic Irish forces at Culloden in 1690. In other words, they were to become Irish of Scots heritage. This settlement was intended to displace the original Irish tenants of the land in Derry, Antrim, Down and the other Ulster counties. After 70 years or so, many of these settlers' descendants moved on, this time to the British colonies in North America. [email protected] wrote: In a message dated 5/22/2002 9:00:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > There was great prejudice in the United States at that time against the > Irish > and particularly against Irish Catholics. One had a better chance of > making > a living if he was Protestant. It was because of this prejudice that the > term "Scotch Irish" came into common use. > Hi Bill, I think this theory is correct,,,I know the Irish weren't welcome in this area except to do menial labor that the "English" folks didn't want........Paula ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 "PRO ARIS ET PRO FOCIS" --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience

Let me add my two cents worth. Several members of my family, who were born in Ireland and never lived in Scotland, came to the United States in the early 1900s. U.S. Census records list their nationality as Irish/ Scotch. My theory is this: There was great prejudice in the United States at that time against the Irish and particularly against Irish Catholics. One had a better chance of making a living if he was Protestant. It was because of this prejudice that the term "Scotch Irish" came into common use. Bill O'Neil.

My Great Grandfather came to New Zealand from on the ship "Zealandia" (arrived May 24th 1862). His name was Samuel Kennedy (b.May 16 1833), Married to Margaret Dempsey (b. August 13th 1843) at the Dervock Church, County Antrim, Ireland, on October 8th 1861, by Rev D Field. Does anyone have any info/links with my Great Grandparents? Regards TK

In a message dated 5/20/2002 5:28:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Many Scots went back & forth Thanks Marion......I was unaware of the travel between the two countries until I posed my question....this seems to make the most sense. Paula in Massachusetts

In a message dated 5/20/2002 4:55:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > If anyone on the list has any suggestions, I'd be glad to hear from them > too Thanks Kathy, Good Luck to you too!!! Paula in Massachusetts

Hi Paula, I can give you two guesses on why he listed Scotland as a place of birth. 1) He was born in Scotland. Many Scots went back & forth between Scotland & Ireland. Some were seasonal workers & went for part of the year. Some went to Ireland & returned when things were better in Scotland. Many more kept in touch with family back home & would visit. If you look on a map you can see how close they are. It is just a short boat ride. 2) He wanted to seperate himself from the famine Irish. The census taker was someone in his community. They was a great deal of prejudice at this time. I know someone who came across this same problem. Good luck with your search. Marion

Paula - Also be aware that there is a town called Antrim, and it is in the county called Antrim. [email protected] wrote: Hi Paula, I can give you two guesses on why he listed Scotland as a place of birth. 1) He was born in Scotland. Many Scots went back & forth between Scotland & Ireland. Some were seasonal workers & went for part of the year. Some went to Ireland & returned when things were better in Scotland. Many more kept in touch with family back home & would visit. If you look on a map you can see how close they are. It is just a short boat ride. 2) He wanted to seperate himself from the famine Irish. The census taker was someone in his community. They was a great deal of prejudice at this time. I know someone who came across this same problem. Good luck with your search. Marion ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 "PRO ARIS ET PRO FOCIS" --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience

Hello Paula, I've run into a similar situation with my grandfather, David McCourt. On the 1900 census for Nebraska he lists Scotland as his place of birth, but on later censuses, his marriage license, his passport, etc. - he says he is from Co. Down, Ireland. On a trip back to Ireland in 1913 he also stops in Scotland. So was he born in Scotland or Ireland -- I'm still trying to find out. I know there was a lot of movement back and forth between Scotland and Ireland - mainly for jobs. Sometimes you have to read the census or document carefully to see jsut what it is asking ---- place of birth or last residence, place of birth of parents, last residence of parents, parents residence at time of your birth, etc. And they may not have read it carefully when they filled it out either. I have one form that lists my grandfather as born in Iowa. I'm sure with his accent Ireland might have sounded like Iowa to the person typing the form. My grandfather was born just before records were kept in Ireland -- and I've searched the FHL microfilms to no avail. If anyone on the list has any suggestions, I'd be glad to hear from them too. Good luck. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 6:17 AM Subject: KNIGHT born in SCOTLAND/IRELAND? > Hello List, > I hope someone will have a thought about a dilemma regarding my ancestor > JAMES KNIGHT. On his Citizenship papers in 1878, he states ANTRIM as his > place of birth - which would make him Irish. Yet I have also found on > various documents, including the 1880 Census in Massachusetts where he states > SCOTLAND as his place of birth, but he lists IRELAND as the birth place of > both his parents... > > Has anyone run into this before? Why would he list Scotland as his place of > birth? Would his parents have been visiting Scotland? But then his also > lists Antrim? > > I have yet to find any trace of him or his parents [don't know if he had any > siblings] in Ireland. > > James came to NY in 1851, settled in Massachusetts, fought in the Civil War > -[those records show nothing except "Ireland"]. > Thanks for any thoughts, Paula > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello List, I hope someone will have a thought about a dilemma regarding my ancestor JAMES KNIGHT. On his Citizenship papers in 1878, he states ANTRIM as his place of birth - which would make him Irish. Yet I have also found on various documents, including the 1880 Census in Massachusetts where he states SCOTLAND as his place of birth, but he lists IRELAND as the birth place of both his parents... Has anyone run into this before? Why would he list Scotland as his place of birth? Would his parents have been visiting Scotland? But then his also lists Antrim? I have yet to find any trace of him or his parents [don't know if he had any siblings] in Ireland. James came to NY in 1851, settled in Massachusetts, fought in the Civil War -[those records show nothing except "Ireland"]. Thanks for any thoughts, Paula

At Presbyterian Church, Dervock, County Antrim, Ireland. "Erected by CHARLES MOORE, Ballymartin, Dervock, to the memory of his dear wife ELIZABETH who departed this life on 16th December 1924. Also the above CHARLES MOORE died 3rd February 1935 aged 85 years. Also their daughter ANNIE HILL died 2nd December 1907 aged 83 years. And her husband HUGH HILL died 16th August 1974 aged 91 years." Elizabeth (Chestnut) Moore was a sister of my Gt-grandmother, Jane Chestnut, and I am happy correspond about her genealogy. Please email to : [email protected]

My McKay ancestors came to the U.S. around 1834 from County Antrim. There were quite a few of them - James & Sarah McElroy McKay, Jennie McKay (married to a Jamison), Eneas, William, Thomas. I am fairly sure they were from the Ballymontenagh area. Deb Logan Pittsburgh