Have been away from my gen work for about 5 years, but now ready to forge ahead & try to knock down some walls. Have info on my mother's German side to see what can be learned. Christian Frederick KROEMER (my ggrandfather) b abt 1846 in Niedersachsen Schamburg Lippie. He married Margaret LEIDORF, presumably born in Dayton, OH 25 Jan 1855, according to info received from my aunt. They married about 20 Jan 1869 in Dayton, again from this same info I received. Their children are listed as Christian, Jr. (b abt 30 Jan 1870 ; Helena (b Feb 1874 & died in infancy; Elizabeth Willamine (b abt 15 May 1872); Ida or Anna May (b abt 2 June 1877; Harry Dietrich (b abt. Dec 1881): Albert Frederick (b abt 19 Apr 1887); & Eleanor Caroline, my grandmother (b abt 17 July 1884). All of their children were born in Dayton. This information was obtained by my aunt, so I do need to verify it. Margaret's father was Conrad LEIDORF & mother was Henrietta KNAPP. It would be nice to find out where they originated in Germany & when they came to US. I don't have birth info for either of Margaret's parents. The first info I could find on my Kroemers was the 1870 Montgomery Co. 11th Ward, Dayton City census which has listed "417" under families, a Christian CRAMER (age 23) with his wife Margaret (age 19) & their son Christian (age 4 months). Christian is shown as being from Prussia, but my information from aunt said he was born in Dayton; Margaret as being from Ohio. These folks are my ggrandparents whose actual name was KROEMER. Christian's occupation is "Stone Mason". On the 1880 Montgomery Co. Dayton census I find Christian, Jr. KRAMER (age 33) listed as a Stone Mason with wife Margaret (Maggie) & their children Christian (10); Lizzie (Elizabeth age 8; & Ida (age 3). Living with them is a border "Jno", which I am assuming is for Jonathan (age 24) also a stone mason. Don't know if he is related to the Kroemers or just someone Christian may have been working with. Jno is shown as being from Kerr Hesse. Christian (the third one) married an Emma NIEHUS who died prior to 1918. He then remarried to Laura Christina GROETHUS 6 Mar 1918 in Cinncinati. Elizabeth Caroline married Otto KNIELING in 1937 in Dayton & had a girl, Elizabeth. Harry married unknown & had 2 sons unknown. Eleanor married Charles DURR 29 June 1910 in Couer D'Alene, ID & had two girls, Dorothy Eleanor & Mildred Althea (my mother). Helena died in infancy. Anna (or Ida) married Ernest BACHER 1 August 1894 in Dayton & had 3 children: Edwin Paul, Clarence Arthur & Carl Henry. Albert Married Devonia CARTER & they had 2 daughters, Devonia Margaret & Lila (Lee?) Katherine who both died when young. If any one has information on this line in the Dayton/Cincinnati areas I would be most appreciative in receiving a reply. Would hope to hear from someone who is related, as well. There are gaps to fill in & perhaps they would have history to relate that has been passed down. My aunt (Dorothy) is incapacited now & I cannot rely on her. I was separated from my mother (Mildred) at a young age & did not know her. Beth Rutherford Turner, OR USA --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.