Hallo list members I think this is the first time I have posted to this list, I have been researching in this area of Germany for the last 15 years and have all sorts of odds and ends I have saved to hopfully connect my family to or to help other reseachers out. This is not connected to my family other than a baptismal record listing Maria Clara Nobilis De Monsebroch as a godparent. This letter was from Jens Muller Koppe who I had hired as a researcher. I will be happy to answer any questions. Steven C. Wehling Just some very short note about a very interesting find which I made during my visit to the State Archive Oldenburg this week: I finely found the von Münzbruch family (the name was spelled Münzebruch, Monsbrock, Monsbruch as well)! This might be a very important hint for the origin of Boldewin (Balduin) Depenbrock, after Maria Clara, Nobilis De Monsebrock was a godmother of his earliest (known) child in 1713. The Noble Von Münzbruch family were the owners of the Twistel estate near the village of Heeke, AIIhausen parish from 1649 until 1790. It was the father of the first owner Conrad (Meier) von Münzbruch, Hugo Meier, who was a Lutheran priest in St. Sylvester Quakenbrück [1585- 1625], who was peered by me King of Sweden (') There are a number of hints for the fact that the von Münzbruch family was closely connected (not in a geaneological, but in a political and religious sense) to the Swedish Kingdom, which was the leading power of the Lutheran Countries in the 17th century, with great influence (and even annexed areas) in Northern Germany. I have no positive evidence, but 1 am almost sure that the family was still Lutheran in the (early) 18th centwy. In this period they lived in an area with 65 to 85 % Catholics. In 1790 the last male decendent of me family, the lieutenant Carl Ludwig von Münzbruch, sold the Twislel estate. He died in 1803. The owners of Twistel were: I. Conrad (Meier) Von Münzbruch son of Hugo Meier (Von Münzbroch) bought the estate from the father of his wife Johann Von Quernheim in 1649 He was Vizedrost (administrator) ofWittlage, Gronenberg and Hunteburg due to Swedish protection 00I Anna Clara Von Quernheim 002 Johann Eiisabeth von Brawe, widow von Frese II. Gustav Adolf Von Münzbruch (+10. 02.1696) oo Marie Odilia Von Wulfen III. Johann Friedrich Hilmar von Münzbruch The estate was managed by guardians until 1712, when Johann Friedrich Hilmar was of age 00 I Judith Catharina Von Der Horst auf Vinkenburg (+ 1730) 002 Wilhelmine Charlotte von Steuben IV. CarJ Ludwig von Münzbruch, Oberstlieutenant sold the estate in 1790 (+ 1803) The fact that a member of the Von Münzbruch family was a Depenbrock godmother in 1713 is a strong hint for a connection of the Boldewin Depenbrock to this family. Maybe he was dependent to the Twistel Estate or even connected to the family. Therfore it seems to be possible - if not probable - that Boldewin or his parents were Lutheran as well before 1713. What are the conc1usions that we are able to draw from the information about the von Münzbrueh family? #1 Boldewin Depenbrock might have been Lutheran originally The Lutheran parish for Alfhausen and Bersenbriick was St. Christopherus in Gehrde (northeast of Bersenbrück). There are parish registers preserved from 1713 on from this parish. #2 There werc no Münzbruch and Depenbrock entries found in Alfhausen, which was the Catholic parish for Heeke, but after Twistel located was much nearer to Bersenbrück than to Alfhausen, the Catholic church of St. Vincentius Bersenbrück, might be another chance (remebering it was usual in this area that a minority of Lutherans can be found in Catholic parish registers).there are records from 1672 (baptism) resp. 1688 (00 and +) preserved for Bersenbrück. #3 Last but not least it should be mentioned that the Von Münzburg family owned a farm(state) in Osnabrück-Neustadt from 1660 on as well. May be the Depenbrock family was connected to this line of the family, ... (Two Lutheran Parishes and two Catholic Parishes in the city of Osnabrück, records reach back to 1678 St. Katharinen Luth. 1685/1691 St. Marien Luth. (17th century) Dom Cath. (17th century) St. Johannis Cath. Well, this might be a good "breeding ground" for further research about the origin of the mysterious Boldewin Depenbrock some time (may be including State Archive Research in Osnabrück as suggested earlier). Last but not least, I was able to access and check a printed farm register of the Amt Damme, which included some very interesting facts about some families, which are connected to the Depenbrocks: Westerhausen, Neuenkirchen parish a) Westerhaus farm 24 ha Osnabriick subjects (Halbersbe) dependent to the Kommende Lage, 1830 to the Kingdom of Hannover b) Taubke-Westerhues Hmn 34 ha Munster subjects (Ganzerbe) not dependent to any Gutsherr (landowner) c) Heye Bei Der Hake farm 7 ha Munster subjects (Kötterei) not dependent to any Gutsherr (landowner) 1777: was oblidged to being the letters to Vechta, , Osnabruck, Furstenau and Hopsten Nellinghof, Neuenkirchen Parish a) Schurmann (Sehürhof) farm 67 ha Osnabriick subjects (Halberbe) dependent to the Gut Schulenburg (Herren von Dinklage) until 1844 b) Torbeck farm 30 ha Osnabruck subjects (Ganzerbe) dependent to the Gut Schulenburg (Herren von Dinklage) until 1844 c) Linesch farm 75 ha Osnabruck subjccts (Halberoo) dependent to the Kommende Lage Both the very small villages of Westerhausen and Nellinighof were located directely at the Osnabrück / Munster (from 1816 on Oldenburg) border, just 3 resp. 3 1/2 kilometer north of Rieste. Please remeber that Neuenkirchen was the only parish with a Lutheran and a Catholic church in the whole area of the Niederstift Münster (later on called "Oldenburger Münsterland"). It might bc possible that the Schurmann family was Lutheran.

Steven, Thank you very much for this information. My family (PLEUME, PLEUMANN, later PLEIMANN in the US) was found in Alfhausen in a 1795 baptism record. Unfortunately, the father (PLEUME) was not born nor did he die in these records. The child was born in the "Horst" in Alfhausen. Based on a map, this appears to be a farm. Do you (or anyone) have any information about this family or about the Horst? Who owned it? I would be extremely grateful if you would pass along any additional information. Becky --- "Steven C. Wehling" <wehling@sio.midco.net> wrote: > Hallo list members > > I think this is the first time I have posted to this > list, I have been researching in this area of > Germany for the last 15 years and have all sorts of > odds and ends I have saved to hopfully connect my > family to or to help other reseachers out. This is > not connected to my family other than a baptismal > record listing Maria Clara Nobilis De Monsebroch as > a godparent. > > This letter was from Jens Muller Koppe who I had > hired as a researcher. > > I will be happy to answer any questions. > > Steven C. Wehling > > > > > > Just some very short note about a very interesting > find which I > > made during my visit to the State Archive Oldenburg > this week: > > I finely found the von M�nzbruch family (the name > was spelled > > M�nzebruch, Monsbrock, Monsbruch as well)! > > This might be a very important hint for the origin > of Boldewin > > (Balduin) Depenbrock, after Maria Clara, Nobilis De > Monsebrock was a godmother of his earliest (known) > child in 1713. > > The Noble Von M�nzbruch family were the owners of > the Twistel estate near the village of Heeke, > AIIhausen parish from 1649 until 1790. > > It was the father of the first owner Conrad (Meier) > von M�nzbruch, > > Hugo Meier, who was a Lutheran priest in St. > Sylvester > > Quakenbr�ck [1585- 1625], who was peered by me King > of Sweden (') > > There are a number of hints for the fact that the > von M�nzbruch family was closely connected (not in a > geaneological, but in a political and religious > sense) to the Swedish Kingdom, which was the leading > power of the Lutheran Countries in the 17th century, > > with great influence (and even annexed areas) in > Northern Germany. > > I have no positive evidence, but 1 am almost sure > that the family was still Lutheran in the (early) > 18th centwy. In this period they lived in an area > with 65 to 85 % Catholics. > > In 1790 the last male decendent of me family, the > lieutenant Carl Ludwig von M�nzbruch, sold the > Twislel estate. He died in 1803. > > The owners of Twistel were: > > I. Conrad (Meier) Von M�nzbruch > > son of Hugo Meier (Von M�nzbroch) > > bought the estate from the father of his wife > > Johann Von Quernheim in 1649 > > He was Vizedrost (administrator) ofWittlage, > > Gronenberg and Hunteburg due to Swedish protection > > 00I Anna Clara Von Quernheim > > 002 Johann Eiisabeth von Brawe, widow von Frese > > II. Gustav Adolf Von M�nzbruch (+10. 02.1696) > > oo Marie Odilia Von Wulfen > > III. Johann Friedrich Hilmar von M�nzbruch > > The estate was managed by guardians until 1712, > > when Johann Friedrich Hilmar was of age > > 00 I Judith Catharina Von Der Horst auf Vinkenburg > (+ 1730) > > 002 Wilhelmine Charlotte von Steuben > > IV. CarJ Ludwig von M�nzbruch, Oberstlieutenant sold > the estate in 1790 (+ 1803) > > The fact that a member of the Von M�nzbruch family > was a Depenbrock godmother in 1713 is a strong hint > for a connection of the Boldewin Depenbrock to this > family. Maybe he was dependent to the Twistel Estate > or even connected to the family. > > Therfore it seems to be possible - if not probable - > that Boldewin or his parents were Lutheran as well > before 1713. > > What are the conc1usions that we are able to draw > from the information about the von M�nzbrueh family? > > #1 Boldewin Depenbrock might have been Lutheran > originally The Lutheran parish for Alfhausen and > Bersenbriick was St. Christopherus in Gehrde > (northeast of Bersenbr�ck). There are parish > registers preserved from 1713 on from this parish. > > #2 There werc no M�nzbruch and Depenbrock entries > found in Alfhausen, which was the Catholic parish > for Heeke, but after Twistel located was much nearer > to Bersenbr�ck than to Alfhausen, the Catholic > church of St. Vincentius Bersenbr�ck, might be > another chance (remebering it was usual in this area > that a minority of Lutherans can be found in > Catholic parish registers).there are records from > 1672 (baptism) resp. 1688 (00 and +) > > preserved for Bersenbr�ck. > > #3 Last but not least it should be mentioned that > the Von M�nzburg family owned a farm(state) in > Osnabr�ck-Neustadt from 1660 on as well. May be the > Depenbrock family was connected to this line of the > family, ... > > (Two Lutheran Parishes and two Catholic Parishes in > the city of Osnabr�ck, records reach back to > > 1678 St. Katharinen Luth. > > 1685/1691 St. Marien Luth. > > (17th century) Dom Cath. > > (17th century) St. Johannis Cath. > > Well, this might be a good "breeding ground" for > further research about the origin of the mysterious > Boldewin Depenbrock some time (may be including > State Archive Research in Osnabr�ck as suggested > earlier). > > Last but not least, I was able to access and check a > printed farm register of the > > Amt Damme, which included some very interesting > > facts about some families, which are connected to > the Depenbrocks: > > Westerhausen, Neuenkirchen parish > > a) Westerhaus farm > > 24 ha > > Osnabriick subjects (Halbersbe) > > dependent to the Kommende Lage, 1830 to the Kingdom > of Hannover > > b) Taubke-Westerhues Hmn > > 34 ha > > Munster subjects (Ganzerbe) > > not dependent to any Gutsherr (landowner) > > c) Heye Bei Der Hake farm > > 7 ha > > Munster subjects (K�tterei) > > not dependent to any Gutsherr (landowner) > > 1777: was oblidged to being the letters to Vechta, , > Osnabruck, > > Furstenau and Hopsten > > === message truncated ===