This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Nehrkorn,Wojciechowski,Uhlendorf Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/4133 Message Board Post: Looking for any clue's to find my gr-gr-great grandfather's parents or any relations to Carl August Christian Plesner Nehrkorn, born in Grunenplan on Jan 22,1819. Imformation found: 1) possible brother Johann Daniel Ludvig Nehrkorn born same area in 1824. 2) Johanne Henretite Nehrkorn accussed of child-slaying in Delligsen (1824-1834). 3)Possible different last name-Wojciechowski,born same day. 4)Possible Aunt to Carl-Marie Dorothea Nehrkorn born in Sollingen in 1800, married to Johann Uhlendorf in 1822, moved to Braunschweig. 5) Churches-in Braunschweig-St Magni,St Kathari.. Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Recently I have been searching the parish records of Wisens and Weene. The family I am searching are Löschen and Dirks. I am writing this note in the hope that other families from this region may know or understand the naming process. I am familiar with the practice of patronymics but this does not usually occur outside of Schleswig-Holstein. The problem is the change of the family name which occured in subsequent records where the name of the family name of the father named Thomsen, who married a Löschen, is dropped and the mothers last name is adopted. Following records then use the name Löschen for the family name which is brought to the U. S. when they immigrate. Watch out DNA! Also a search in the Weene records show that the Dirks was a patronymic naming of the children of Dirk Toenjes, from Schirum, Weene Parish. This is not a common practice to my knowledge in central Germany. >From the book, "Die Familien der Kirchengemeinde Wiesens (1642-1908)", using Family Tree Maker, I have connected each family with the name of Löschen. Many of these families immigrated to the US between 1866 and 1890. I have also searched the parish register films for the period 1830 to 1874 to verify the information. Why would the parish Priest change the name of the family from that of the father to that of the mother? The Löschen families were initially known as Warfsmann or Settlerrs in the area of Wiesens and Schirum between 1800 to 1860. Why does patronymics appear in these records? I hope this is of interest to the list. Hal Kaysen, Nipomo, California

Hi Hal, There are certain areas of northern Nordrhein Westphalen and Niedersachsen, which uses this naming convention that you are describing. Basically, the name is a Farm name. Whoever marries into the family that owns the farm (male or female), they change their surname to that farm name. You will often see the abbreviation "gt" (for gennant), or "cond" (for the Latin word Conditio), both of which mean "known as" used in a male's who has changed his name to the farm name. For example Johann Meyer gt Steinmuller. The latter name is the farm name. There are other abbreviations used, as well. The children born to this marriage will also use the surname of the farm. It is very common, in my experience, to find men marrying women who are widowed and much older than them. This is because often the man's only opportunity for economic advancement was to marry a widow who owned a farm. It was a mutually beneficial relationship. There was an excellent article about this phenomenon published in the German Genealogical Digest (which is no longer in print), but I believe you can still order old issues. It was titled "Surname Changes in Northwestern Germany" and appeared in the Spring, 2000 issue (Vol. 16, No. 1). I hope this helps! Teresa S. McMillin -----Original Message----- From: niedersachsen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:niedersachsen-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Hal Kaysen Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:01 PM To: niedersachsen@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] parish naming practice in Wiesens and Weenekirchbuchen, Aurich Amt Recently I have been searching the parish records of Wisens and Weene. The family I am searching are Löschen and Dirks. I am writing this note in the hope that other families from this region may know or understand the naming process. I am familiar with the practice of patronymics but this does not usually occur outside of Schleswig-Holstein. The problem is the change of the family name which occured in subsequent records where the name of the family name of the father named Thomsen, who married a Löschen, is dropped and the mothers last name is adopted. Following records then use the name Löschen for the family name which is brought to the U. S. when they immigrate. Watch out DNA! Also a search in the Weene records show that the Dirks was a patronymic naming of the children of Dirk Toenjes, from Schirum, Weene Parish. This is not a common practice to my knowledge in central Germany. >From the book, "Die Familien der Kirchengemeinde Wiesens (1642-1908)", using Family Tree Maker, I have connected each family with the name of Löschen. Many of these families immigrated to the US between 1866 and 1890. I have also searched the parish register films for the period 1830 to 1874 to verify the information. Why would the parish Priest change the name of the family from that of the father to that of the mother? The Löschen families were initially known as Warfsmann or Settlerrs in the area of Wiesens and Schirum between 1800 to 1860. Why does patronymics appear in these records? I hope this is of interest to the list. Hal Kaysen, Nipomo, California _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: NIEDERSACHSEN-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIEDERSACHSEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to the following who offered information on family naming practice in Wiesens and Weene Kirche in Aurich Carol Saint-Clair Doug Hilby Kathy Reed Ethel Heidesch Teresa McMillin Hal Kaysen, Nipomo, California Hi Hal, There are certain areas of northern Nordrhein Westphalen and Niedersachsen, which uses this naming convention that you are describing. Basically, the name is a Farm name. Whoever marries into the family that owns the farm (male or female), they change their surname to that farm name. You will often see the abbreviation "gt" (for gennant), or "cond" (for the Latin word Conditio), both of which mean "known as" used in a male's who has changed his name to the farm name. For example Johann Meyer gt Steinmuller. The latter name is the farm name. There are other abbreviations used, as well. The children born to this marriage will also use the surname of the farm. It is very common, in my experience, to find men marrying women who are widowed and much older than them. This is because often the man's only opportunity for economic advancement was to marry a widow who owned a farm. It was a mutually beneficial relationship. There was an excellent article about this phenomenon published in the German Genealogical Digest (which is no longer in print), but I believe you can still order old issues. It was titled "Surname Changes in Northwestern Germany" and appeared in the Spring, 2000 issue (Vol. 16, No. 1). I hope this helps! Teresa S. McMillin -----Original Message----- From: niedersachsen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:niedersachsen-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Hal Kaysen Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:01 PM To: niedersachsen@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] parish naming practice in Wiesens and Weenekirchbuchen, Aurich Amt Recently I have been searching the parish records of Wisens and Weene. The family I am searching are Löschen and Dirks. I am writing this note in the hope that other families from this region may know or understand the naming process. I am familiar with the practice of patronymics but this does not usually occur outside of Schleswig-Holstein. The problem is the change of the family name which occured in subsequent records where the name of the family name of the father named Thomsen, who married a Löschen, is dropped and the mothers last name is adopted. Following records then use the name Löschen for the family name which is brought to the U. S. when they immigrate. Watch out DNA! Also a search in the Weene records show that the Dirks was a patronymic naming of the children of Dirk Toenjes, from Schirum, Weene Parish. This is not a common practice to my knowledge in central Germany. >From the book, "Die Familien der Kirchengemeinde Wiesens (1642-1908)", using Family Tree Maker, I have connected each family with the name of Löschen. Many of these families immigrated to the US between 1866 and 1890. I have also searched the parish register films for the period 1830 to 1874 to verify the information. Why would the parish Priest change the name of the family from that of the father to that of the mother? The Löschen families were initially known as Warfsmann or Settlerrs in the area of Wiesens and Schirum between 1800 to 1860. Why does patronymics appear in these records? I hope this is of interest to the list. Hal Kaysen, Nipomo, California _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: NIEDERSACHSEN-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIEDERSACHSEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: NIEDERSACHSEN-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIEDERSACHSEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did the woman inherit her family's farm? I've heard of that happening in some places. Ethel Heidesch, Iowa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal Kaysen" <hmkaysen@mindspring.com> To: <niedersachsen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] parish naming practice in Wiesens and Weenekirchbuchen, Aurich Amt Recently I have been searching the parish records of Wisens and Weene. The family I am searching are Löschen and Dirks. I am writing this note in the hope that other families from this region may know or understand the naming process. I am familiar with the practice of patronymics but this does not usually occur outside of Schleswig-Holstein. The problem is the change of the family name which occured in subsequent records where the name of the family name of the father named Thomsen, who married a Löschen, is dropped and the mothers last name is adopted. Following records then use the name Löschen for the family name which is brought to the U. S. when they immigrate. Watch out DNA! Also a search in the Weene records show that the Dirks was a patronymic naming of the children of Dirk Toenjes, from Schirum, Weene Parish. This is not a common practice to my knowledge in central Germany. >From the book, "Die Familien der Kirchengemeinde Wiesens (1642-1908)", >using Family Tree Maker, I have connected each family with the name of Löschen. Many of these families immigrated to the US between 1866 and 1890. I have also searched the parish register films for the period 1830 to 1874 to verify the information. Why would the parish Priest change the name of the family from that of the father to that of the mother? The Löschen families were initially known as Warfsmann or Settlerrs in the area of Wiesens and Schirum between 1800 to 1860. Why does patronymics appear in these records? I hope this is of interest to the list. Hal Kaysen, Nipomo, California _____________________________ To contact the list admin send an email to: NIEDERSACHSEN-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIEDERSACHSEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The same thing happened in one of the branches of my family. The family name was Honkomp. He married a woman named Saalfeld. It's noted in the marriage record as well as in the baptismal records of the children that the family name was now Saalfeld. I've got copies of the Church records that show the transition. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Hal Kaysen <hmkaysen@mindspring.com> Date: Thursday, September 28, 2006 3:03 pm Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] parish naming practice in Wiesens and Weene kirchbuchen, Aurich Amt To: niedersachsen@rootsweb.com > Recently I have been searching the parish records of Wisens and > Weene. The > family I am searching are Löschen and Dirks. I am writing this > note in the > hope that other families from this region may know or understand > the naming > process. I am familiar with the practice of patronymics but this > does not > usually occur outside of Schleswig-Holstein. > > The problem is the change of the family name which occured in > subsequent > records where the name of the family name of the father named > Thomsen, who > married a Löschen, is dropped and the mothers last name is > adopted. > Following records then use the name Löschen for the family name > which is > brought to the U. S. when they immigrate. Watch out DNA! > > Also a search in the Weene records show that the Dirks was a > patronymic > naming of the children of Dirk Toenjes, from Schirum, Weene > Parish. This is > not a common practice to my knowledge in central Germany. > > >From the book, "Die Familien der Kirchengemeinde Wiesens (1642- > 1908)", using > Family Tree Maker, I have connected each family with the name of > Löschen. > Many of these families immigrated to the US between 1866 and 1890. > I have > also searched the parish register films for the period 1830 to > 1874 to > verify the information. > > Why would the parish Priest change the name of the family from > that of the > father to that of the mother? The Löschen families were initially > known as > Warfsmann or Settlerrs in the area of Wiesens and Schirum between > 1800 to > 1860. > > Why does patronymics appear in these records? > > I hope this is of interest to the list. > > Hal Kaysen, Nipomo, California > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: NIEDERSACHSEN- > admin@rootsweb.com------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIEDERSACHSEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >