Rose..... I don't have definitive answers for you but perhaps a couple of suggestions that may help develop something. I live in a small town (Cole CAmp) in Missouri and the woods are full of Schumakers (in fact I am distantly related to them) and there are still a few Ottens and some related to the Brunjes' although none with that name. Our folks most all came from the Hannover area, Bremervoerde anad a triangle south for about 20 milies.. It is almost like someone picked up half the population and dropped them here. The Ottens' I have found came from the southern part of this area and I have found the name in several of my "Village histories." (Dorfchronik)..I find them in Hanstedt. One book describes a "total Farm owner" Hinrich Otten, along with a 1/3 farm owner, Johann Otten, and others were committed to doing the farming for the pastor in Rhade. The oldest son of this family lived in the USA in 1849. This book also has a photo of the gravestone of Claus Otten, a "total/full Farm owner" and today it is in a m useum in Bremervoerde, where I saw it. Claus died 1861. So much for that but this type of information is available. This comes out of the book "Hanstedt und die Boerde Rhade in Landkreis Rotenburg (Wuerme)" by Elfriede Bachmann.. I was able to get the history of my family back to 1663 with one Cord AEding (Eding) and he too was in the army, first the Swedish Army as Sweden controlled the area and were generally looked upon a liberators, but then pulled out when paid off and my relative joined the Bremen Regiment. And I have allsorts of details as the Germans (and Swedes) are great at record keeping. I used a researcher in Bremen, one Jens Mueller-Koppe, at hrs@hist.de. He is not cheap but he is good and knows the area. I could not have done it alone because reading the old scrip (hand written) is very laborius for me. Hope this helps somewhat... Bob Owens ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Green" <hvozdany@hotmail.com> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: RE: [NIEDERSACHSEN] HARTWIG/SCHUMACHER/BRUNYER > Thanks for taking over, Joan, and good luck! > > My Niedersachsen interest (obsession?) is with the origin of Georg Andreas > HARTWIG. He was a lieutenant in Wolfenbüttel in 1701; in 1703 he joined > up with the "foreign" army of Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorf, and in 1715 > retired to southern Hesse. Somewhere along the way he aquired a wife, > Dorothea Sophia Schumacher, and they produced some eight children. Only > the last two were born after retirement. He was born around 1666, > according to his death record (he died in 1734 in Birkenau, Kreis > Heppenheim, Hessen). > > Also, I'm interested in a Hermann Brunyer/Bruniges who was born around > 1797, somewhere in the area of Hannover (reports differ on whether the > city or the kingdom is meant). Emigrated to England in earliy 1800s to > work in the sugar industry, married a Yorkshire girl, and eventually came > to the U.S. His mother was an Otten. There is a region not far off from > Bremen with tons of Bruniges/Ottens, but so far he hasn't turned up. > > Rose Green in South Carolina > > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > Do you know how to locate that elusive town? > http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

Robert & Listers, I am interested in your reference to the Swedish-German connection following the Thirty Years War 1830-1860. I have Bachman relatives who supposedly migrated from Germany to Sweden with the returning soldiers. I thought this notion was far fetched since I could find no proof of it. However, your reference to the Germans becoming part of the Swedish army intrigues me. I would like to know more about this period of Swedish-German history and maybe some advise as to how to research it. Also, could you tell me more about this Elfriede Bachmann? I can trace my Bachmans back to 1755 in Ovansjo,Gavleborg, Sweden. Could the researcher, Jens Mueller-Koppe, be helpful in this endeavor? Thank you, Susan Bachman Westhoff subwest@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Owens" <mephisto@iland.net> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [NIEDERSACHSEN] HARTWIG/SCHUMACHER/BRUNYER > Rose..... I don't have definitive answers for you but perhaps a > couple of suggestions that may help develop something. I live in a small > town (Cole CAmp) in Missouri and the woods are full of Schumakers (in fact > I am distantly related to them) and there are still a few Ottens and some > related to the Brunjes' although none with that name. Our folks most all > came from the Hannover area, Bremervoerde anad a triangle south for about > 20 milies.. It is almost like someone picked up half the population and > dropped them here. The Ottens' I have found came from the southern part > of this area and I have found the name in several of my "Village > histories." (Dorfchronik)..I find them in Hanstedt. One book describes > a "total Farm owner" Hinrich Otten, along with a 1/3 farm owner, Johann > Otten, and others were committed to doing the farming for the pastor in > Rhade. The oldest son of this family lived in the USA in 1849. This > book also has a photo of the gravestone of Claus Otten, a "total/full Farm > owner" and today it is in a m useum in Bremervoerde, where I saw it. > Claus died 1861. So much for that but this type of information is > available. This comes out of the book "Hanstedt und die Boerde Rhade in > Landkreis Rotenburg (Wuerme)" by Elfriede Bachmann.. > > I was able to get the history of my family back to 1663 with one Cord > AEding (Eding) and he too was in the army, first the Swedish Army as > Sweden controlled the area and were generally looked upon a liberators, > but then pulled out when paid off and my relative joined the Bremen > Regiment. And I have allsorts of details as the Germans (and Swedes) > are great at record keeping. I used a researcher in Bremen, one Jens > Mueller-Koppe, at hrs@hist.de. He is not cheap but he is good and knows > the area. I could not have done it alone because reading the old scrip > (hand written) is very laborius for me. > > Hope this helps somewhat... > > Bob Owens > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rose Green" <hvozdany@hotmail.com> > To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:46 PM > Subject: RE: [NIEDERSACHSEN] HARTWIG/SCHUMACHER/BRUNYER > > >> Thanks for taking over, Joan, and good luck! >> >> My Niedersachsen interest (obsession?) is with the origin of Georg >> Andreas HARTWIG. He was a lieutenant in Wolfenbüttel in 1701; in 1703 he >> joined up with the "foreign" army of Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorf, and in >> 1715 retired to southern Hesse. Somewhere along the way he aquired a >> wife, Dorothea Sophia Schumacher, and they produced some eight children. >> Only the last two were born after retirement. He was born around 1666, >> according to his death record (he died in 1734 in Birkenau, Kreis >> Heppenheim, Hessen). >> >> Also, I'm interested in a Hermann Brunyer/Bruniges who was born around >> 1797, somewhere in the area of Hannover (reports differ on whether the >> city or the kingdom is meant). Emigrated to England in earliy 1800s to >> work in the sugar industry, married a Yorkshire girl, and eventually came >> to the U.S. His mother was an Otten. There is a region not far off from >> Bremen with tons of Bruniges/Ottens, but so far he hasn't turned up. >> >> Rose Green in South Carolina >> >> >> >> ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== >> Do you know how to locate that elusive town? >> http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > Do you know how to locate that elusive town? > http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

> I am interested in your reference to the Swedish-German connection > following the Thirty Years War 1830-1860. Don't you mean the war during 1618 and 1648? Thorsten Lange -- Thorsten Lange EMail tl@thola.de http://www.thola.de/

Hi All My families are as above, HAAR and HANSCHEN in the Truperdaich area near Lilienthal. Best regards Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia