works here "Ben Wieseman." wrote: > test > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > Do you know how to locate that elusive town? > http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hey Ben: We all are here. -- Thanks in advance, Tami Johnston-Parise New Orleans, LA Researching: JOHNSTON/HOFFMANN/STEINDBINDER/WEISHEIMER/SPROUL/ KEISEL/SHERWOOD/HOERNER/ZWEIFEL/DOCLAR/USNER/ FERNANDEZ/MCDERMOTT

Hi, You might want to check out the many OTTENs found on emslanders.com. Jo Banks, res. WESTENDORF, SAND, SANDKER, BRINGMANN, & VOELKER from the Ems River valley>St. Louis, MO

Would like to find descendents of any of the families listed below. I especially would like to know what happened to Hans Muller, son of Christian Friedrich & Catherina R (Buhring) Muller. A distant cousin of mine met him in Germany in early 1930's when doing research on our Buhring (Burig) family. About 1933, Hans Muller was Senatapresident beim Oberlandsgericht, Dresden, Germany. I have often wondered how he fared during World War II. I have searched, but have not been able to find any information on him. Peggy Pike Gordon San Angelo, TX USA gordonclan@cox.net My gr-gr grandparents: Buhring,, Johann Rudolph Heinrich m Botjer, Anna Christina - 1788, Osterholz b. 1737 Celle b. 1755 Osterhotz d. 1799 Osterholz d. 1841 Verdin CHILDREN: 1. Buhring, Johann Christoph Jacob b. 1788 Osterholz, ScarmbeckScharmbeck d. unknown - may have died before mother moved to Verden 2. Buhring, Friedrich Gorge Ludwig ** b. 1791 Osterholz d. 1859 Cabell Co, VA, USA (he went to America alone at age 15/16 yrs) 3. Buhring, Catherina Rebecca m Muller, Christian Friedrich b. 1792 Osterholz b. 1795 D. 1852 d. 1868 Verden 4. Buhring, Dorothea Elisabeth m Zimmerman, Dietich Ernst - 1827 Verden? {"Kathleen"} b.1795 Osterholz b. 1803 d. 1870 Verden d 1882 Bremen

Robert & Listers, I am interested in your reference to the Swedish-German connection following the Thirty Years War 1830-1860. I have Bachman relatives who supposedly migrated from Germany to Sweden with the returning soldiers. I thought this notion was far fetched since I could find no proof of it. However, your reference to the Germans becoming part of the Swedish army intrigues me. I would like to know more about this period of Swedish-German history and maybe some advise as to how to research it. Also, could you tell me more about this Elfriede Bachmann? I can trace my Bachmans back to 1755 in Ovansjo,Gavleborg, Sweden. Could the researcher, Jens Mueller-Koppe, be helpful in this endeavor? Thank you, Susan Bachman Westhoff subwest@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Owens" <mephisto@iland.net> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [NIEDERSACHSEN] HARTWIG/SCHUMACHER/BRUNYER > Rose..... I don't have definitive answers for you but perhaps a > couple of suggestions that may help develop something. I live in a small > town (Cole CAmp) in Missouri and the woods are full of Schumakers (in fact > I am distantly related to them) and there are still a few Ottens and some > related to the Brunjes' although none with that name. Our folks most all > came from the Hannover area, Bremervoerde anad a triangle south for about > 20 milies.. It is almost like someone picked up half the population and > dropped them here. The Ottens' I have found came from the southern part > of this area and I have found the name in several of my "Village > histories." (Dorfchronik)..I find them in Hanstedt. One book describes > a "total Farm owner" Hinrich Otten, along with a 1/3 farm owner, Johann > Otten, and others were committed to doing the farming for the pastor in > Rhade. The oldest son of this family lived in the USA in 1849. This > book also has a photo of the gravestone of Claus Otten, a "total/full Farm > owner" and today it is in a m useum in Bremervoerde, where I saw it. > Claus died 1861. So much for that but this type of information is > available. This comes out of the book "Hanstedt und die Boerde Rhade in > Landkreis Rotenburg (Wuerme)" by Elfriede Bachmann.. > > I was able to get the history of my family back to 1663 with one Cord > AEding (Eding) and he too was in the army, first the Swedish Army as > Sweden controlled the area and were generally looked upon a liberators, > but then pulled out when paid off and my relative joined the Bremen > Regiment. And I have allsorts of details as the Germans (and Swedes) > are great at record keeping. I used a researcher in Bremen, one Jens > Mueller-Koppe, at hrs@hist.de. He is not cheap but he is good and knows > the area. I could not have done it alone because reading the old scrip > (hand written) is very laborius for me. > > Hope this helps somewhat... > > Bob Owens > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rose Green" <hvozdany@hotmail.com> > To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:46 PM > Subject: RE: [NIEDERSACHSEN] HARTWIG/SCHUMACHER/BRUNYER > > >> Thanks for taking over, Joan, and good luck! >> >> My Niedersachsen interest (obsession?) is with the origin of Georg >> Andreas HARTWIG. He was a lieutenant in Wolfenbüttel in 1701; in 1703 he >> joined up with the "foreign" army of Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorf, and in >> 1715 retired to southern Hesse. Somewhere along the way he aquired a >> wife, Dorothea Sophia Schumacher, and they produced some eight children. >> Only the last two were born after retirement. He was born around 1666, >> according to his death record (he died in 1734 in Birkenau, Kreis >> Heppenheim, Hessen). >> >> Also, I'm interested in a Hermann Brunyer/Bruniges who was born around >> 1797, somewhere in the area of Hannover (reports differ on whether the >> city or the kingdom is meant). Emigrated to England in earliy 1800s to >> work in the sugar industry, married a Yorkshire girl, and eventually came >> to the U.S. His mother was an Otten. There is a region not far off from >> Bremen with tons of Bruniges/Ottens, but so far he hasn't turned up. >> >> Rose Green in South Carolina >> >> >> >> ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== >> Do you know how to locate that elusive town? >> http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > Do you know how to locate that elusive town? > http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

Hello Joyce, I go to Germany quite frequently to go through church books and cemetary records. If you have the Email of your friend please ask her if she has any objection to my contacting her so that I can send her my Ahlers details. I am part of a family tree with just short of 90,000 people and that now is maintained in Germany while I get on with my mothers records. If you find were my fathers family come from and you have family names that may come from there, feel free to pass them to me and I will see if I have any of them. I have still like all have some names still missing, but I rarely go into the Germany tree, that said I am very proud of my German Family contacts. With kindest regards Tchüß Laurie -----Original Message----- From: Joyceeileenkeil@aol.com [mailto:Joyceeileenkeil@aol.com] Sent: 19 April 2005 19:20 To: NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIEDERSACHSEN] MENKE, AHLERS Laurie: Sage is almost directly south of the city of Oldenburg. If you have a somewhat recent map of that area it is just east of Hwy 29 and near the city of Grossenkneten. I have not taken the time to try to decipher distance on these maps--I should do that! I corresponded briefly with Heiko Ahlers who is really active in Genealogy and Ahlers research. He informed me that the Ahlers at one time were quite a large "clan." I do believe he said they were located in the areas all around the City of Oldenburg. You might look for the Ahlers list as I believe he might be able to give you quite a lot of information. If you search for that name on the Internet I think you will also find information about him. Just thought you might find that interesting if you are not already aware of him. I am not familiar with the locations that you mention but will check the map shortly to see what I can find. Thanks for getting in touch. ---Joyce ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== Is it possible to contact living relatives in Germany? http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

Rose....... Because the book is so locally focused it may be difficult to get through a library loan although I do not know how that works on the international scene. If you are interested I can set you up with one of the authors - the guy who gave me mine. They were rather scarce when I was looking for it. I have a nice collections of village histories from all the places where I found my family and they have proven invaluable in my research, especially as they gave me an insight into the environments in which they lived. You may want to consider this also. It is from these sources that I can develop a more meaningful family history - rather than just names, dates and places. You mentioned Wolfenbüttel; is that a repository or will you be doing research in that area? If you will be researching folks from around there I would like to give you an alert to see if you might come across some of my ancestors. The earliest one I can find lived in Holtum-Geest, north of Verden. But I am told by researches that they probably came from the area of Wolfenbuttel/Braunschweig. How they know this but no more I have no idea but that is where my next effort will be made. Oh yes, we have a retired Lutheran Pastor here by the name of Hartwig but I don't know if he is into family research. Let me know if I can be of any help. Bob Ooooooo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Green" <hvozdany@hotmail.com> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [NIEDERSACHSEN] HARTWIG/SCHUMACHER/BRUNYER > Thanks, Bob, for the ideas. I've heard of that Missouri group before. > Our Brunyer/Otten family wasn't part of it, but I'm sure that they came > from the same place. Someone in Germany once told me that the area you > mentioned is saturated with the names. We've checked some records, but > haven't gotten through them all yet...will have to try Hanstedt. I might > try to get that book through interlibrary loan. > > I've also heard of the researcher you mentioned. I do read the old script > when I can get my hands on it, but few microfilms are available for this > area (Wolfenbüttel). I'm trying all I can on my own before I have to > resort to that, but it's good to hear an endorsement for his services. > > Thanks again for the ideas! Gives me something else to try. > > Rose Green in South Carolina > > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > Is there a website with all the answers? > http://go.to/hessen > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

I believe you are talking about Heiko Ahlers. The last contact that I had with him was in October 2000 but I believe his Email address might still be the same. heikoahlers@t-online.de Give it a try and see if it works. If not, get back to me as I think I might be able to find a more current one. ----Joyce

I have a Carl or Charles [more likely Karl} born in 1821 who had a brother Henry born in Germany in 1829. Henry married a woman named Wilomena {unknown family name} and had children named Henry (birth 1879) and William (birth 1882). Karl/Charles had 5 children and he eventually settled in Napoleon, Ind. The kids were named: Philomena Nieter 1860 {Blomer}; Charles Ferdinand Nieter married Agnes Klaiber; William Nieter; Mary Nieter {Stradtman}; and Henry Nieter. Charles and Agnes had children: Anna Maria Wilhelmina Nieter 1887; Emma Nieter 1889, Henry W. Nieter 1891. None of these kids ever married. This has been my dead end for several years since I never had a way to tie the eldest members back to Germany or to another Ohio community. Hope this family line matches up with something that you have.

Thanks, Bob, for the ideas. I've heard of that Missouri group before. Our Brunyer/Otten family wasn't part of it, but I'm sure that they came from the same place. Someone in Germany once told me that the area you mentioned is saturated with the names. We've checked some records, but haven't gotten through them all yet...will have to try Hanstedt. I might try to get that book through interlibrary loan. I've also heard of the researcher you mentioned. I do read the old script when I can get my hands on it, but few microfilms are available for this area (Wolfenbüttel). I'm trying all I can on my own before I have to resort to that, but it's good to hear an endorsement for his services. Thanks again for the ideas! Gives me something else to try. Rose Green in South Carolina

My name is Ingrid Fetkoeter, living now in Kingston NY but a native of Niedersachsen, Goettingen. Into Genealogy since 1998. My brickwall remains in Niedersachsen, where my G-Grandfather Friedrich August Boehme, born 1856 in Leipzig, deserted his 6 under seven years old children when his wife died in childbirth in 1891. No one ever found him, the children were raised in different foster homes near Hann- Muenden. Has he come to America, does anyone have Boehme in the family tree? Other names: Wieditz, Guenther, Peissner, Prinz, Schelper. Will do occasional translations if anyone needs help for short pieces. Good luck again, Joan. Ingrid F

Hello fellow listers, In response to Joan's note, the genealogy bug bit me about six years ago. Unfortunately, the one person who could have answered a lot of my questions - my grandmother - died in 1989. In going through a box of old photographs that she kept, I found a yellowed newspaper article that had been written about the ALGERMISSEN family of St. Charles, Missouri. She had married an ALGERMISSEN in 1919. My father was born in 1920. She and my biological grandfather divorced soon after. She remarried in 1929 to George DOWNEY who adopted my father, thus my surname. That newspaper article was a treasure because it provided me with names and most importantly the location where my ancestors lived - Harsum, Hildesheim, Hannover. That, plus the help of some kind folks at a Family History Center in the Phoenix, Arizona area, launched me on my family tree adventure. Over time, I learned to recognize letters and words and translate the Latin written in German script. Undoubtedly, the ALGERMISSENs originated in the nearby town of Algermissen, but that connection seems to predate the records for the town's Catholic parish, so I don't know when this branch moved to Harsum. Other ancestor lines include the GROVEs and the ECKHARDTs whom I've traced as far as the Harsum records will allow. The one line I still need to work on involves my gggg-grandfather, Ferdinand ECKHARDT and his wife Anna Maria FLOGEL. They were apparently from Hildesheim because they don't show up in the Harsum records until their marriage on 4 JUN 1770. The record says they were married in Hildesheim by the Bishop. In the Harsum record, his name is preceded by an uppercase D. Does that mean he was a doctor of some kind? I haven't ordered any Hildesheim microfilms, but I would presume the marriage took place at the cathedral. Am I correct in suspecting that? Roger Downey Glendale, Arizona

Rose..... I don't have definitive answers for you but perhaps a couple of suggestions that may help develop something. I live in a small town (Cole CAmp) in Missouri and the woods are full of Schumakers (in fact I am distantly related to them) and there are still a few Ottens and some related to the Brunjes' although none with that name. Our folks most all came from the Hannover area, Bremervoerde anad a triangle south for about 20 milies.. It is almost like someone picked up half the population and dropped them here. The Ottens' I have found came from the southern part of this area and I have found the name in several of my "Village histories." (Dorfchronik)..I find them in Hanstedt. One book describes a "total Farm owner" Hinrich Otten, along with a 1/3 farm owner, Johann Otten, and others were committed to doing the farming for the pastor in Rhade. The oldest son of this family lived in the USA in 1849. This book also has a photo of the gravestone of Claus Otten, a "total/full Farm owner" and today it is in a m useum in Bremervoerde, where I saw it. Claus died 1861. So much for that but this type of information is available. This comes out of the book "Hanstedt und die Boerde Rhade in Landkreis Rotenburg (Wuerme)" by Elfriede Bachmann.. I was able to get the history of my family back to 1663 with one Cord AEding (Eding) and he too was in the army, first the Swedish Army as Sweden controlled the area and were generally looked upon a liberators, but then pulled out when paid off and my relative joined the Bremen Regiment. And I have allsorts of details as the Germans (and Swedes) are great at record keeping. I used a researcher in Bremen, one Jens Mueller-Koppe, at hrs@hist.de. He is not cheap but he is good and knows the area. I could not have done it alone because reading the old scrip (hand written) is very laborius for me. Hope this helps somewhat... Bob Owens ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Green" <hvozdany@hotmail.com> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: RE: [NIEDERSACHSEN] HARTWIG/SCHUMACHER/BRUNYER > Thanks for taking over, Joan, and good luck! > > My Niedersachsen interest (obsession?) is with the origin of Georg Andreas > HARTWIG. He was a lieutenant in Wolfenbüttel in 1701; in 1703 he joined > up with the "foreign" army of Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorf, and in 1715 > retired to southern Hesse. Somewhere along the way he aquired a wife, > Dorothea Sophia Schumacher, and they produced some eight children. Only > the last two were born after retirement. He was born around 1666, > according to his death record (he died in 1734 in Birkenau, Kreis > Heppenheim, Hessen). > > Also, I'm interested in a Hermann Brunyer/Bruniges who was born around > 1797, somewhere in the area of Hannover (reports differ on whether the > city or the kingdom is meant). Emigrated to England in earliy 1800s to > work in the sugar industry, married a Yorkshire girl, and eventually came > to the U.S. His mother was an Otten. There is a region not far off from > Bremen with tons of Bruniges/Ottens, but so far he hasn't turned up. > > Rose Green in South Carolina > > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > Do you know how to locate that elusive town? > http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

Laurie: Sage is almost directly south of the city of Oldenburg. If you have a somewhat recent map of that area it is just east of Hwy 29 and near the city of Grossenkneten. I have not taken the time to try to decipher distance on these maps--I should do that! I corresponded briefly with Heiko Ahlers who is really active in Genealogy and Ahlers research. He informed me that the Ahlers at one time were quite a large "clan." I do believe he said they were located in the areas all around the City of Oldenburg. You might look for the Ahlers list as I believe he might be able to give you quite a lot of information. If you search for that name on the Internet I think you will also find information about him. Just thought you might find that interesting if you are not already aware of him. I am not familiar with the locations that you mention but will check the map shortly to see what I can find. Thanks for getting in touch. ---Joyce

The name of the town was New Oregon. It doesn't exist anymore. They lived from probably 1868 or 9 to 1873 at the "Old James Hennigan Farm".

Hallo Listers, Were is Sage, one of my family names is Ahlers they came from north of Bremen. My family contacts are very firmly found in:- Garlstedt, Vegesack, Lesum, Farge, Brundorf, Schwanewede, Bluemnthal. Platjenwerbe, Scharmbeck, Freißenbüttel and areas around these villages and towns. Laurie -----Original Message----- From: Joyceeileenkeil@aol.com [mailto:Joyceeileenkeil@aol.com] Sent: 19 April 2005 00:18 To: NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIEDERSACHSEN] MENKE, AHLERS I hope that I am doing this right. My Menke family came from the northern part of Oldenburg. I believe there are connections to Mansholt, Rastede and other locations in that area. Great-grandfather, Johann Menke, was married in Wiefelstede to Marie Ahlers. The Ahlers family had some connections to the area near Sage--am not sure of the time frame for that. She had two siblings, Heinrich Ahlers, and a half-sister, Anna. Anna was born in/near Sage according to her death certificate. Thank you. --Joyce Keil ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== Is there a website with all the answers? http://go.to/hessen ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi List: Let's try these names again: Henry Herman Hoffman b. 1797 m. 1820 d. 1866 in New Orleans, LA Hannah Fredericka Hoffman b. 1800 d. 1842 in Plaquemines Parish, LA They had 9 children: Hannah Fredericka b. 1821 d. 1896 in New Orleans, LA 4 Sons Names Unknown Charles Henry b. 1829 d. 1905 in California Christian Frederick b. 1832 d.??? Hannah Carolyn (or vice verse) b. 1834 d. 1866 in New Orleans, LA Hannah Sophie (or vice verse) b. 1837 d. 1902 in California **ALSO** Mathias Weisheimer b. 1816 d. 1870 in New Orleans, LA Catherine Weisheimer b. 1818 d. 1854 in New Orleans, LA Augustus Weisheimer b. 1837 d. 1911 in California They had other children but I do not have my notes handy ... Mathias had a brother Frederick Wilheim Weisheimer who too lived in New Orleans, LA Mathias Weisheimer married Hannah Fredericka Hoffman in 1864 Augustus Weisheimer married Sophie Hoffman around the same time. -- Thanks in advance, Tami Johnston-Parise New Orleans, LA Researching: JOHNSTON/HOFFMANN/STEINDBINDER/WEISHEIMER/SPROUL/ KEISEL/SHERWOOD/HOERNER/ZWEIFEL/DOCLAR/USNER/ FERNANDEZ/MCDERMOTT

Hello, I am pleased to let you know that the gateway from message board is now open. This means that all messages made to the message Board will now be forwarded to the mailing list. To answer messages from the MESSAGE BOARD you must click on the link in the message. This will take you to the MESSAGE BOARD and you can click POST REPLY to answer. Your reply will be sent back to the list for all to benefit. If you don't respond this way the person who posted this message to the board may not receive it if they do not belong to the mailing list. Sincerely, Joan Asche List Admin.

Thanks for taking over, Joan, and good luck! My Niedersachsen interest (obsession?) is with the origin of Georg Andreas HARTWIG. He was a lieutenant in Wolfenbüttel in 1701; in 1703 he joined up with the "foreign" army of Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorf, and in 1715 retired to southern Hesse. Somewhere along the way he aquired a wife, Dorothea Sophia Schumacher, and they produced some eight children. Only the last two were born after retirement. He was born around 1666, according to his death record (he died in 1734 in Birkenau, Kreis Heppenheim, Hessen). Also, I'm interested in a Hermann Brunyer/Bruniges who was born around 1797, somewhere in the area of Hannover (reports differ on whether the city or the kingdom is meant). Emigrated to England in earliy 1800s to work in the sugar industry, married a Yorkshire girl, and eventually came to the U.S. His mother was an Otten. There is a region not far off from Bremen with tons of Bruniges/Ottens, but so far he hasn't turned up. Rose Green in South Carolina

Where in Iowa was Louise?