This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: leske Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/1020.1 Message Board Post: Grandfathers last name is leske but from berlin germany .. i see u have a difrent way of spelling as well for leske ...when my grandfathers sister done some searching she found also the spelling of leschke

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: von Ahn Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/2536.2 Message Board Post: I was born in Balje, had family in the Krummendeich area. My father has further information. Two brothers of my grandfather Hinrich von Ahn, their names were Walter and Georg, went to the US in 1923.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Waldmann Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/3959 Message Board Post: Ann Angels Freedom A historic novel by Katharina Kolata At the end of the 18th century, living on a rich farm like the one of the Waldmann family meant lots of hard work and little time for privacy. Still, Ann Angel Waldmann is happy. However, everything changed when her father decided to buy their freedom. Would it be a change for the better? This novel is based on the true history of the Waldmann family. It covers the time from 1799 to 1803 in the area of Osnabrück, a time of world-wide changes. Beside the everyday worries about friends and families, people of the rural community have to cope with the results of the first and second war against Napoleon. Even if they aren't involved yet, war casts its shadow over the peaceful village. A sample chapter of the novel "Ann Angels Freedom" by Katharina Kolata can be downloaded from the web site of the Waldmann family: http://www.die-waldmanns.de. Who ever would like a copy of this novel can order it by sending me an email.

Susan.... Did I give the dates of 1830-1860 for t he 30 Years War? If so I go to the back of the class for being careless. The dates were 1618-48. But I believe some other reader caught that.. Elfreide is what we call an ""old maid" and she works hard at local history, following in her fathers footsteps. There is a Bachman museum in Bremervoerde which is the result of her father's and her efforts. But her house and an large building on her property is even more of a treasure house. I worry what may happen when she must give that up. But she is the authority on local history. I can't give you the history of Nothern German and their relations to Sweden (Denmark and France) before they finally became independent as part of the Kingdom of Hannover. And I am not aware of any books in English that deal with this in detail. Whithout checking with my records here is a summary: 1618 the war begins and the area is invaded and occupied by Catholic troops of the Empire trying to restore the status quo. Denmark invades with the intent of annexing but were reather brutal and not well liked. 1628, I believe, Sweden, and Lutheran Protestant force comes in as liberators. The Empire forces return and are again driven out by the Swedes. During all this Swedish occupation Germans joined them for a couple of reasons; to live better, to keep Catholic forces out and a certain Lutheran idealism And Frnace intervenes for a brief period in a rather brutal fashion. I just do not have time to look up dates and verify things at this point but this may get you started. AS regards the records, the Swedish records, along with the German, are in the Archives in STada. This is where my researcher (Mueller-Koppe) got my information and there may well be more in Sweden. But I dare say Jens could do you a good service. Bob O ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Westhoff" <subwest@comcast.net> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [NIEDERSACHSEN] HARTWIG/SCHUMACHER/BRUNYER > Robert & Listers, > I am interested in your reference to the Swedish-German connection > following the Thirty Years War 1830-1860. I have Bachman relatives who > supposedly migrated from Germany to Sweden with the returning soldiers. I > thought this notion was far fetched since I could find no proof of it. > However, your reference to the Germans becoming part of the Swedish army > intrigues me. I would like to know more about this period of > Swedish-German history and maybe some advise as to how to research it. > Also, could you tell me more about this Elfriede Bachmann? > I can trace my Bachmans back to 1755 in Ovansjo,Gavleborg, Sweden. > Could the researcher, Jens Mueller-Koppe, be helpful in this endeavor? > Thank you, > Susan Bachman Westhoff > subwest@comcast.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert L. Owens" <mephisto@iland.net> > To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:24 PM > Subject: Re: [NIEDERSACHSEN] HARTWIG/SCHUMACHER/BRUNYER > > >> Rose..... I don't have definitive answers for you but perhaps a >> couple of suggestions that may help develop something. I live in a >> small town (Cole CAmp) in Missouri and the woods are full of Schumakers >> (in fact I am distantly related to them) and there are still a few Ottens >> and some related to the Brunjes' although none with that name. Our >> folks most all came from the Hannover area, Bremervoerde anad a triangle >> south for about 20 milies.. It is almost like someone picked up half >> the population and dropped them here. The Ottens' I have found came >> from the southern part of this area and I have found the name in several >> of my "Village histories." (Dorfchronik)..I find them in Hanstedt. One >> book describes a "total Farm owner" Hinrich Otten, along with a 1/3 farm >> owner, Johann Otten, and others were committed to doing the farming for >> the pastor in Rhade. The oldest son of this family lived in the USA in >> 1849. This book also has a photo of the gravestone of Claus Otten, a >> "total/full Farm owner" and today it is in a m useum in Bremervoerde, >> where I saw it. Claus died 1861. So much for that but this type of >> information is available. This comes out of the book "Hanstedt und die >> Boerde Rhade in Landkreis Rotenburg (Wuerme)" by Elfriede Bachmann.. >> >> I was able to get the history of my family back to 1663 with one Cord >> AEding (Eding) and he too was in the army, first the Swedish Army as >> Sweden controlled the area and were generally looked upon a liberators, >> but then pulled out when paid off and my relative joined the Bremen >> Regiment. And I have allsorts of details as the Germans (and Swedes) >> are great at record keeping. I used a researcher in Bremen, one Jens >> Mueller-Koppe, at hrs@hist.de. He is not cheap but he is good and knows >> the area. I could not have done it alone because reading the old scrip >> (hand written) is very laborius for me. >> >> Hope this helps somewhat... >> >> Bob Owens >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rose Green" <hvozdany@hotmail.com> >> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:46 PM >> Subject: RE: [NIEDERSACHSEN] HARTWIG/SCHUMACHER/BRUNYER >> >> >>> Thanks for taking over, Joan, and good luck! >>> >>> My Niedersachsen interest (obsession?) is with the origin of Georg >>> Andreas HARTWIG. He was a lieutenant in Wolfenbüttel in 1701; in 1703 >>> he joined up with the "foreign" army of Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorf, and >>> in 1715 retired to southern Hesse. Somewhere along the way he aquired a >>> wife, Dorothea Sophia Schumacher, and they produced some eight children. >>> Only the last two were born after retirement. He was born around 1666, >>> according to his death record (he died in 1734 in Birkenau, Kreis >>> Heppenheim, Hessen). >>> >>> Also, I'm interested in a Hermann Brunyer/Bruniges who was born around >>> 1797, somewhere in the area of Hannover (reports differ on whether the >>> city or the kingdom is meant). Emigrated to England in earliy 1800s to >>> work in the sugar industry, married a Yorkshire girl, and eventually >>> came to the U.S. His mother was an Otten. There is a region not far >>> off from Bremen with tons of Bruniges/Ottens, but so far he hasn't >>> turned up. >>> >>> Rose Green in South Carolina >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== >>> Do you know how to locate that elusive town? >>> http://members.cox.net/hessen/towns.htm >>> >>> ============================== >>> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >>> New content added every business day. 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I am researching my g g grandfather, J. Heinrich SCHULZE b. 23 March 1809 died in 1909 in Jamestown, Missouri. He came to America around 1837. His last name was misspelled on his birth certificate, his family name is really SCHULTE, son of Cord Heinrich Schulte b.18 Sept. 1771 died 4 April 1858 and Anne Cathrine Marie Dorothee MAHLER b. 25 Jun. 1786. The other children were: Jurgen Schulte b. 16 april 1811 Catherine Marie Dorothee SCHULTE Sophie Marie Dorothee SCHULTE Sophie Dorothee SCHULTE Dietrich Heinrich Wilhelm SCHULTE b. 23 Jul 1822 in Lutter Church records are supposedly at ST. Osdag Kirche in Mandelsloh, Germany... but I can not get a copy of the original papers. Dietrich and 2 sisters came to America starting in around 1848. Anyone have more info? Vielen Danke, Joy in sunny California

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/3958 Message Board Post: Hello, I'm searching for information on my grandfather and his family. His name was Hermann Heinrich Theune. He was born in Mollenfelde, Niedersachsen on August 14, 1896. Thanks, Lori

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/3223.1.2.1 Message Board Post: i looking for my great great grandad john grimm. he was married to a christina ochillhelme or schillehelme. they were the parents of christian grimm from tazewell illinois. my great grandad christan grimm was killed when a half tree fell on him. his first wife barbara berger died and then he married marie flickinger my great grandmother. my cousin and i are looking for information on our greagreat grandparents. any information will help on john grimm and his wife christina. we are also related to the grimm brothers that wrote the fairy tales. thanks for any help you come up with. patti kay

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Ludewig, Stuntz Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/3957 Message Board Post: Looking for origin/emigration info on Theodore Ludewig (b. 1843) and brother Charles (b. 1841) from Hannover. I don't know if it is the town of Hannover or the state of Hannover. Theodore married Maria (Mary) Stuntz (also from Hannover) in 1867. Maria supposedly emigrated to the U.S. in 1866, but I don't know when the Ludewigs emigrated. Theodore and Charles both settled in Wheeling, WV. Rick Paugh

In a message dated 4/20/2005 4:41:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hvozdany@hotmail.com writes: > but that was back when I > was getting access through the University of Illinois library (third largest > > university library in the US). I doubt whether I’d be able to get something > > like that now. note for anyone interested in interlibrary loan services.... not just students or faculty have access to interlibrary loan services - ANY member of the public, living in the same state can request interlibrary loan materials (to my knowledge). A good idea is to access the library website of your nearest university and check the information there... or call or email your friendly Reference Librarian (smile) you may be very pleasantly surprised by how helpful they are! (also some larger libraries may be "depository libraries"... with more international documents and publications than you dreamed :)

I have the following MEYER in the Osnabrück area from the towns listed: Anna Margaretha b. Hickingen b. 1636 + Dietrich KRUSE b. Hickingen b.1625 Anna Margaretha of Allendorf d. 1698 + Nikolaus RÖTGER b. Kloster Oesede 1633-1681 Anna Maria zu Oestringen b. Haste1676-1716 + Hermann GROTHAUSb. Harderberg 1679-1756 (my great great grandmother is was a GROTHAUS) Anna Wwe NIEMANN d. 1674 + Georg KLEKAMP 1629-1688 Friedrich of Hickingen 1595-1699 + Clara GELSHORN of Hickingen b.1605 George 1658-1723 + Anna Gertrud GELSHORN 1659-1728 Georg Laurenz zu Oestringen + Caroline Margaretha DE SCHORLEMMER Joseph + Anna Maria GROTHAUS b. Harderberg 1809 Marie Gertrud zu Nahne (NIEMEYER) 1717-1742 + Hermann Heinrich HÜLSEBUSCH 1713-1766 Nikolaus of Hickingen + Margaretha (Unknown) (Unknown) zu Garthausen + Hermann Rudolph SUTTMEYER b. Kloster Oesede 1679 Anyone have any references to these names? They are ancestors of My DÜTMANN and HENGELSBERG great grandparents Jerry Dittman Boonsboro, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: <TheLinda1@cs.com> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 12:01 PM Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] MEYER, PIEPENSCHNEIDER > Carol, > > So far the only connection is the Meyer surname & the St. Louis area, as > well > as the same general area in Germany. And the time frame. I'm finding > more > and more of the 700 or so German immigrants to the Chicago area in the mid > to > late1800's from the Hannover area that are connected to my ancestors. > Other > areas that they migrated to from Chicago were St. Louis & St. Joseph, MO; > Ohio, > Randolph County, IL; Jackson, Scott, Fayette and Bremer Counties in Iowa; > Martin County, Minn.; eastern section of Nebr., especially Gage, Franklin, > Lancaster, Douglas, Cuming, Wayne, Dakota Counties, as well as other > areas; areas in > Michigan, Wisconsin and Kansas. I'm finding the same groups of names, > with a > few others thrown in here and there, at least in the first couple of > generations after the immigrant. Some of those surnames are: Andermann, > Beermann, > Biermann, Bergmann, Beheke/Behncke, Bargmann, Dauel/Dahl, Duensing, > Gathmann, > Hasselbring, Helfers/Helvers, Krumwiede, Kruse, > Leseberg/Leeseberg/Leiseberg, > Meyer, Nebel, Niemeyer, Pilster, Pralle, Runge, Rabe, Rafe, Rodewald, > Stunkel/Stuenkel, Thoms, Thiesse/Thies, Vogeler, and others. Linda > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Admin: mailto:NIEDERSACHSEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe send an email to: NIEDERSACHSEN-L-request@rootsweb.com > (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe > in the body of the message. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Frerking, Leffler - Hanover, Indiana, Ohio Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/1266.2223 Message Board Post: Jackie - are you still researching this line? We have some similarities and I'd like to compare notes.... My William Frerking 1845-1904 is also from Hanover, came to Dearborn County, In. mid-eighties. Family story says there was family in Illinois although I have never been able to link with anyone there. William married Eliza Leffler in Lawrenceburg, Dearborn, and later resided in Cincinnati, Ohio, had seven daughters and one son.

> I am interested in your reference to the Swedish-German connection > following the Thirty Years War 1830-1860. Don't you mean the war during 1618 and 1648? Thorsten Lange -- Thorsten Lange EMail tl@thola.de http://www.thola.de/

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Hi All My families are as above, HAAR and HANSCHEN in the Truperdaich area near Lilienthal. Best regards Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia

Hi Linda. I wish I could connect with one of those names you listed. Paul MEYER came from the old country to St. Louis, as far as I know. I don't know for fact, but I think he came here to follow his friend/relative Ernst PIEPENSCHNEIDER. Since Paul moved in with Ernst, I'm guessing they knew each other as friends/relatives from Germany. It's my only hope on Paul I've reached a dead end with him. Unfortunately, I've had a lot of expenses so far this year, and just don't have the money to pay for research. Other than the mystery John, and a possible Charles, I don't know of any other relatives of Paul's. I would think I have cousins, somewhere ! Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: <TheLinda1@cs.com> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] MEYER, PIEPENSCHNEIDER > Carol, > > So far the only connection is the Meyer surname & the St. Louis area, as well > as the same general area in Germany. And the time frame. I'm finding more > and more of the 700 or so German immigrants to the Chicago area in the mid to > late1800's from the Hannover area that are connected to my ancestors. Other > areas that they migrated to from Chicago were St. Louis & St. Joseph, MO; Ohio, > Randolph County, IL; Jackson, Scott, Fayette and Bremer Counties in Iowa; > Martin County, Minn.; eastern section of Nebr., especially Gage, Franklin, > Lancaster, Douglas, Cuming, Wayne, Dakota Counties, as well as other areas; areas in > Michigan, Wisconsin and Kansas. I'm finding the same groups of names, with a > few others thrown in here and there, at least in the first couple of > generations after the immigrant. Some of those surnames are: Andermann, Beermann, > Biermann, Bergmann, Beheke/Behncke, Bargmann, Dauel/Dahl, Duensing, Gathmann, > Hasselbring, Helfers/Helvers, Krumwiede, Kruse, Leseberg/Leeseberg/Leiseberg, > Meyer, Nebel, Niemeyer, Pilster, Pralle, Runge, Rabe, Rafe, Rodewald, > Stunkel/Stuenkel, Thoms, Thiesse/Thies, Vogeler, and others. Linda > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Admin: mailto:NIEDERSACHSEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe send an email to: NIEDERSACHSEN-L-request@rootsweb.com > (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe > in the body of the message. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Bob, Wolfenbüttel has an archive that has confirmed that my Hartwig is mentioned in some of their records. They have quite a bit of material, of which nearly nothing has been filmed by the LDS Family History Library. Right now my options are to pay an expensive researcher, or go there myself. My husband is an academic in German and is hoping to go to a conference in Wolfenbüttel next year, so the second option might actually be a realistic one. If one of us somehow gets there, we’d be glad to keep an eye out for your people. I find the Hanstedt book listed in World Cat, the interlibrary loan catalog, but you’re right, there is only one copy, and it’s in Europe. I actually had a German library lend me a Familienbuch once, but that was back when I was getting access through the University of Illinois library (third largest university library in the US). I doubt whether I’d be able to get something like that now. Is there an index? If so, is there any way you can check if a couple of names show up? If my guy is in it, I would be interested in contacting the author. (If not, of course, then I will just keep looking.) My emigrant was Hermann Brunyer or Bruniges, b. 12 Apr. 1797 or 1799 in Hannover (some sources say the city, some just the kingdom). His father was (Johann) Martin Brunyer or Bruniges (possibly Brunjes?) and his mother, Mary Sophia Otten, both born around 1770 and presumably from the Hannover area. Hermann married in England in 1829, so it’s really only a small period of time that he would even show up in German records. I agree on the Dorfchroniken, too—wonderful resources! I have a series from an area down in Hessen, and have really enjoyed getting to know my ancestors from the stories that are in them, so much more than just names and dates. The amazing thing is that these people lived some 300 years ago, and there are still stories about them! German records are great. Rose

I didn't realize I sent the prior e-mail to the whole list. I thought I was replying ONLY to Joan. Once again my apologies. -- Thanks in advance, Tami Johnston-Parise New Orleans, LA Researching: JOHNSTON/HOFFMANN/STEINDBINDER/WEISHEIMER/SPROUL/ KEISEL/SHERWOOD/HOERNER/ZWEIFEL/DOCLAR/USNER/ FERNANDEZ/MCDERMOTT

That's good to know... If you have a list administrator who cares. I am not receiving e-mails through my JUNO account and I have written my list administrator and its like he/she doesn't care. Haven't heard back and its going on 2 weeks. I contacted rootsweb, with the list of questions that JUNO needs answered and they can't help me. So pretty much, I'm left out of the cold. Do you have any ideas of how I can get this taken care of from an administrator point of view? -- Thanks in advance, Tami Johnston-Parise New Orleans, LA Researching: JOHNSTON/HOFFMANN/STEINDBINDER/WEISHEIMER/SPROUL/ KEISEL/SHERWOOD/HOERNER/ZWEIFEL/DOCLAR/USNER/ FERNANDEZ/MCDERMOTT

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Carol, So far the only connection is the Meyer surname & the St. Louis area, as well as the same general area in Germany. And the time frame. I'm finding more and more of the 700 or so German immigrants to the Chicago area in the mid to late1800's from the Hannover area that are connected to my ancestors. Other areas that they migrated to from Chicago were St. Louis & St. Joseph, MO; Ohio, Randolph County, IL; Jackson, Scott, Fayette and Bremer Counties in Iowa; Martin County, Minn.; eastern section of Nebr., especially Gage, Franklin, Lancaster, Douglas, Cuming, Wayne, Dakota Counties, as well as other areas; areas in Michigan, Wisconsin and Kansas. I'm finding the same groups of names, with a few others thrown in here and there, at least in the first couple of generations after the immigrant. Some of those surnames are: Andermann, Beermann, Biermann, Bergmann, Beheke/Behncke, Bargmann, Dauel/Dahl, Duensing, Gathmann, Hasselbring, Helfers/Helvers, Krumwiede, Kruse, Leseberg/Leeseberg/Leiseberg, Meyer, Nebel, Niemeyer, Pilster, Pralle, Runge, Rabe, Rafe, Rodewald, Stunkel/Stuenkel, Thoms, Thiesse/Thies, Vogeler, and others. Linda