Could you check for the name LULLMANN/ LUHLMAN/ Luhrman... in your book? I have only census and burial information on this family. John and Margaret Lullman and daughters appear in the 1850 census of Ripley Co.IN as from Hannover, along with many other immigrants claiming Hannover as home. She was probably a HOMFELD/Homefields and had MEIER and PAPPENHAUS connections. I think my RIMSTIDT/REMSTEDT/REHMENSTEAD ... family probably arrived too early in the 1840s to be listed in your book, but I would be most interested if anyone of that surname appears. Thank you so much for offering assistance and hope! Barbara Rice Hannover families: RIMSTIDT/SEVEUS/LURTE -LUDKE/ HOMFELD/ MEIERS/

Kleekamp? I have that name in my family tree. Did yours settle in Franklin county, near Washington, Missouri? Carol in St. Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cath Greg Genealogy" <catgen@comcast.net> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:14 AM Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] Attn: Marge surnames Claycamp or Kleecamp > Marge, > > When you have a change please check to see if there are any Claycamp or > Kleekamps in your information. > > Thank you > > Cathy and Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: ralphkroehler [mailto:ralphkroehler@prodigy.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:47 PM > To: NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIEDERSACHSEN] Re: NIEDERSACHSEN surnames Westrendorff, > Sandker, Rabeling Attn: Marge K > > John Sandker aged 37 from Negelsheh with Mrs. aged 34, August 14, Friedr. > 11, Berta 9, Charlotte 7 , Gustav 4, and Marta 6m arrived on board > Freihandler on 14 Nov 1849 (Film # 85 -National Archives series 237) Hope > that helps > > Marge K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Josiebanks@aol.com> > To: <> > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:26 AM > Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] Re: NIEDERSACHSEN surnames Westrendorff, Sandker, > Rabeling Attn: Marge K > > > > Hello Marge, > > What a wonderful service you are doing for those on the list. I > > hope we are not all overwhelming you. > > > > I believe my Gr-Grandfather , Ulrich WESTENDORFF, age 27, came to St. > > Louis by 1846-so too early for your look-up. However, I wondered if any > > of his > > siblings or cousins could have come a few years later. His mother > > was a SANDKER and they would have come from the tiny villlage of EISTEN > just S. > > of > > Sögel. > > > > My other Gr-Grandfather, Johannes Bernard RABELING, came from MUENSTER > > in 1847 at age 21. I have nothing other than the year date. Again, I > > wonder > > if any siblings were also immigrants. > > > > Thank you in advance for your time & interest. Jo Westendorf > > Banks > > > > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > > NOTICE -- To answer messages from the MESSAGE BOARD you must click on > > the link in the message. This will take you to the MESSAGE BOARD and > > you can click POST REPLY to answer. Your reply will be sent back to > > the list for all to benefit. > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > Helpful websites! > http://go.to/hessen > http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Kleekamp, Heinr. aged 23 from Detmold arrived in NY on board "America" on 7 Nov 1864 (film # 247 National Archives Services 2370 That's all that appear in German Immigrants - Zimmerman and Wolfert. Hope it helps Marge K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cath Greg Genealogy" <catgen@comcast.net> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:14 AM Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] Attn: Marge surnames Claycamp or Kleecamp > Marge, > > When you have a change please check to see if there are any Claycamp or > Kleekamps in your information. > > Thank you > > Cathy and Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: ralphkroehler [mailto:ralphkroehler@prodigy.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:47 PM > To: NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIEDERSACHSEN] Re: NIEDERSACHSEN surnames Westrendorff, > Sandker, Rabeling Attn: Marge K > > John Sandker aged 37 from Negelsheh with Mrs. aged 34, August 14, Friedr. > 11, Berta 9, Charlotte 7 , Gustav 4, and Marta 6m arrived on board > Freihandler on 14 Nov 1849 (Film # 85 -National Archives series 237) Hope > that helps > > Marge K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Josiebanks@aol.com> > To: <> > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:26 AM > Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] Re: NIEDERSACHSEN surnames Westrendorff, Sandker, > Rabeling Attn: Marge K > > >> Hello Marge, >> What a wonderful service you are doing for those on the list. I >> hope we are not all overwhelming you. >> >> I believe my Gr-Grandfather , Ulrich WESTENDORFF, age 27, came to St. >> Louis by 1846-so too early for your look-up. However, I wondered if any >> of his >> siblings or cousins could have come a few years later. His mother >> was a SANDKER and they would have come from the tiny villlage of EISTEN > just S. >> of >> Sögel. >> >> My other Gr-Grandfather, Johannes Bernard RABELING, came from >> MUENSTER >> in 1847 at age 21. I have nothing other than the year date. Again, I >> wonder >> if any siblings were also immigrants. >> >> Thank you in advance for your time & interest. Jo Westendorf >> Banks >> >> >> ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== >> NOTICE -- To answer messages from the MESSAGE BOARD you must click on >> the link in the message. This will take you to the MESSAGE BOARD and >> you can click POST REPLY to answer. Your reply will be sent back to >> the list for all to benefit. >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > ______________________________ > > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > Helpful websites! > http://go.to/hessen > http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Thank you very much. Rita Broeker ralphkroehler <ralphkroehler@prodigy.net> wrote: The only one I find is Broeker, Marlane age 28 from Nordwalde arrived 1849 on board "Minna" arrived 27 April 1849. (Film # 78 National Archives Series 237) Hope this helps Marge K ----- Original Message ----- From: "rita broeker" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] att. marge k > If you would please look for Gerhard and John martin Broeker in > your 1849 passenger list. > Thank you so much. > > > Rita Broeker > Missouri > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Admin: mailto:NIEDERSACHSEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe send an email to: NIEDERSACHSEN-L-request@rootsweb.com > (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe > in the body of the message. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== Helpful websites! http://go.to/hessen http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

The only one I find is Broeker, Marlane age 28 from Nordwalde arrived 1849 on board "Minna" arrived 27 April 1849. (Film # 78 National Archives Series 237) Hope this helps Marge K ----- Original Message ----- From: "rita broeker" <ritabroeker@yahoo.com> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] att. marge k > If you would please look for Gerhard and John martin Broeker in > your 1849 passenger list. > Thank you so much. > > > Rita Broeker > Missouri > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Admin: mailto:NIEDERSACHSEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe send an email to: NIEDERSACHSEN-L-request@rootsweb.com > (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe > in the body of the message. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Thanks Marge & Cheryle, Though I do not know of a John Sandker, I will attempt to locate Negelsheh Germany. It could be a clue as to where to search for my Gertrud Sandker Westendorff's family. I appreciate the look-up. I have previously searched the listings on Colleen Fitzpatrick's wonderful New Orleans site mostly searching for my Irish side but will revisit it again. All of my German & Irish ancestors stopped off in St. Louis first before settling in Davenport, Iowa. Thanks again for your time and interest in my request. Jo Westendorf Banks

Marge, When you have a change please check to see if there are any Claycamp or Kleekamps in your information. Thank you Cathy and Greg -----Original Message----- From: ralphkroehler [mailto:ralphkroehler@prodigy.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:47 PM To: NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIEDERSACHSEN] Re: NIEDERSACHSEN surnames Westrendorff, Sandker, Rabeling Attn: Marge K John Sandker aged 37 from Negelsheh with Mrs. aged 34, August 14, Friedr. 11, Berta 9, Charlotte 7 , Gustav 4, and Marta 6m arrived on board Freihandler on 14 Nov 1849 (Film # 85 -National Archives series 237) Hope that helps Marge K ----- Original Message ----- From: <Josiebanks@aol.com> To: <> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:26 AM Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] Re: NIEDERSACHSEN surnames Westrendorff, Sandker, Rabeling Attn: Marge K > Hello Marge, > What a wonderful service you are doing for those on the list. I > hope we are not all overwhelming you. > > I believe my Gr-Grandfather , Ulrich WESTENDORFF, age 27, came to St. > Louis by 1846-so too early for your look-up. However, I wondered if any > of his > siblings or cousins could have come a few years later. His mother > was a SANDKER and they would have come from the tiny villlage of EISTEN just S. > of > Sögel. > > My other Gr-Grandfather, Johannes Bernard RABELING, came from MUENSTER > in 1847 at age 21. I have nothing other than the year date. Again, I > wonder > if any siblings were also immigrants. > > Thank you in advance for your time & interest. Jo Westendorf > Banks > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > NOTICE -- To answer messages from the MESSAGE BOARD you must click on > the link in the message. This will take you to the MESSAGE BOARD and > you can click POST REPLY to answer. Your reply will be sent back to > the list for all to benefit. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ______________________________

If you would please look for Gerhard and John martin Broeker in your 1849 passenger list. Thank you so much. Rita Broeker Missouri --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour

Jo ... there were many German immigrants that came in the 1845-7 timeframe that came through New Orleans so be sure to check those lists. Almost all of them ended up in St. Louis at some point after that and then some moved on to Illinois and Ohio, etc.. Several of the arrival films are missing especially from 1845 and 1846 but there are still many to be viewed. These arrivals generally left from Le Harve France. I would never have guessed that my German relatives would have left from France since they lived in Niedersachsen but they did !! Cheryle Josiebanks@aol.com wrote: Hello Marge, What a wonderful service you are doing for those on the list. I hope we are not all overwhelming you. I believe my Gr-Grandfather , Ulrich WESTENDORFF, age 27, came to St. Louis by 1846-so too early for your look-up. However, I wondered if any of his siblings or cousins could have come a few years later. His mother was a SANDKER and they would have come from the tiny villlage of EISTEN just S. of S�gel. My other Gr-Grandfather, Johannes Bernard RABELING, came from MUENSTER in 1847 at age 21. I have nothing other than the year date. Again, I wonder if any siblings were also immigrants. Thank you in advance for your time & interest. Jo Westendorf Banks ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== NOTICE -- To answer messages from the MESSAGE BOARD you must click on the link in the message. This will take you to the MESSAGE BOARD and you can click POST REPLY to answer. Your reply will be sent back to the list for all to benefit. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

John Sandker aged 37 from Negelsheh with Mrs. aged 34, August 14, Friedr. 11, Berta 9, Charlotte 7 , Gustav 4, and Marta 6m arrived on board Freihandler on 14 Nov 1849 (Film # 85 -National Archives series 237) Hope that helps Marge K ----- Original Message ----- From: <Josiebanks@aol.com> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:26 AM Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] Re: NIEDERSACHSEN surnames Westrendorff, Sandker, Rabeling Attn: Marge K > Hello Marge, > What a wonderful service you are doing for those on the list. I hope > we > are not all overwhelming you. > > I believe my Gr-Grandfather , Ulrich WESTENDORFF, age 27, came to St. > Louis by 1846-so too early for your look-up. However, I wondered if any > of his > siblings or cousins could have come a few years later. His mother was a > SANDKER and they would have come from the tiny villlage of EISTEN just S. > of > Sögel. > > My other Gr-Grandfather, Johannes Bernard RABELING, came from MUENSTER > in 1847 at age 21. I have nothing other than the year date. Again, I > wonder > if any siblings were also immigrants. > > Thank you in advance for your time & interest. Jo Westendorf Banks > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > NOTICE -- To answer messages from the MESSAGE BOARD you > must click on the link in the message. This will take > you to the MESSAGE BOARD and you can click POST REPLY > to answer. Your reply will be sent back to the list for > all to benefit. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hello Marge, What a wonderful service you are doing for those on the list. I hope we are not all overwhelming you. I believe my Gr-Grandfather , Ulrich WESTENDORFF, age 27, came to St. Louis by 1846-so too early for your look-up. However, I wondered if any of his siblings or cousins could have come a few years later. His mother was a SANDKER and they would have come from the tiny villlage of EISTEN just S. of Sögel. My other Gr-Grandfather, Johannes Bernard RABELING, came from MUENSTER in 1847 at age 21. I have nothing other than the year date. Again, I wonder if any siblings were also immigrants. Thank you in advance for your time & interest. Jo Westendorf Banks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/3715.2.1.1 Message Board Post: His full name was Christian Pedersen Skov and was born in January of 1962. If your Christian Skov was born in 1852, I guess they were two different people.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/3420.4.1 Message Board Post: Bob, I have never been able to link my Eilerman's with the St. Louis Eilermans. Schapen, Germany is in the Emsland District of Germany. If you put that in a search engine, it will tell you the location and possibly give you a map of the location.

Schapen is about 6 miles or so north of the town of Rheine in northern Germany. Rheine is north west of Osnabruck. You can easily find this area (Kriese Lingen) if you find Amsterdam on a map and then go directly east you will find these towns. It is a two hour drive from the Amsterdam Airport. Those of you who are interested in this name can contact me off list so as I can send information on EILERMANN's from the area. I have a cousin living in Schapen and numerous other brother and sisters in the surrounding area. If anyone would like me to contact my cousins to find you a contact over there, let me know. Those relatives in their 40-50's know some english from school. It is their children who help the most on my visits as well as a good pocket dictionary and translator. Willing to assist in any way I can. David Heller Cincinnati, Ohio Heller from Andervenne-Oberdorf Liss from Lengerich

Hi, I'm looking for information on a von HITZACKER family. Johann Ernst von Hitzacker married Johanna Friderica HARTWIG in Birkenau, Kreis Heppenheim, Hessen on 24 Sep 1730. However, he was a "royal Prussian officer" (according to the christening record of his son, Andreas Christoph Wilhelm Otto von Hitzacker). In attendance at the child's christening were Christoph von Hitzacker, royal prussian "Hauptmann" (captain) and Otto von Hitzacker, "Erb und Lehns Hn. zu Luneburg." Johann Ernst von Hitacker's father-in-law was a lieutenant in Wolfenbüttel in 1701. I don't know what connection they may have had back in Niedersachsen. I also don't know what happened to the son (Andreas Christoph Wilhelm) when his mother died in 1735, when he was 3. Rose Green

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/3420.4 Message Board Post: My Great-Great Grandfather was Frank W. Eilermann, born 1828 around Westphalia, Prussia. He shows up on St. Louis Street Directory with a Henry E in 1858, when he marries a Lizzette Uesbeck. I have no positive record of from where or when he left Prussia, but believe he & Henry went first to Cincinnati in mid 50's, before coming to St. Louis. Is it possible your Herman & this Henry are same person? Lost track of Henry after 1860, when he was godfather for Frank's son Henry, born here in Feb. 1860. Where is Schapen, Germany?

Hi Becky Her is what I haveon Eckeman in Rieste ( Below ) My main research names in Rieste are WEGLAGE, DEPENBROCK, BIEST, LUTTMER, THESING, KUHL, KOTTE WUBBOLT from Alfhausen (plus various spellings) KLUS, KLUES, APPLEMAM, SCHURMANN, BELM, BELLMAN, POST, STOLTZ, BEYM MASCH, ( Beym Masch) is the older form of BELM ) KLANKER, SUDERMANN, WEINGARTEN, HEDELMANS. I have all the brothers, sisters and any family related to my main line and lots of loose ends, I would have to recheck my records on the Heinrich ECKELMAN listed below, I have him born in Rieste but in fact he may have been living there when his daughter married Herman WEGLAGE and may in fact have been born in a nearby location, let me know if you see any other connections I have lots of info on Rieste. Steven C. Wehling PS I must add that most of these people moved to the Cincinnati area from the 1840s to the 1890s My other E-Mail is steveareeno324@yahoo.com Descendants of Heinrich ECKELMAN 1-Heinrich ECKELMAN, son of ECKELMAN and Unknown, was born about 1792 in Rieste, Niedersachsen, Germany. Heinrich married Elisabeth KOTTE about 1818 in Rieste, Niedersachsen, Germany. Elisabeth was born about 1796 in Rieste, Niedersachsen, Germany. They had two children: Maria Wilhelmina Adelheid and Maria Elizabeth. 2-Maria Wilhelmina Adelheid ECKELMANN was born about 1820 and died in 1853 about age 33. Maria married Herman Heinrich Joseph WEGLAGE, son of Johann Herman Heinrich WEGLAGE and Antonetta BELM, in Rieste, Niedersachsen, Germany. Herman was born on 26 Jul 1819 in Epe, Germany, died on 15 Sep 1894 in Dayton, Campbell County, Kentucky at age 75, and was buried on 18 Sep 1894. They had two children: Wilhhelmina and Heinrich. 3-Wilhhelmina WEGLAGE was born in 1853 and died on 27 Feb 1856 in Epe, Germany at age 3. 3-Heinrich WEGLAGE died on 13 Mar 1856 in Epe, Germany. 2-Maria Elizabeth ECKELMAN was born on 20 Nov 1828 in Rieste, Niedersachsen, Germany. Maria married Herman Heinrich SCHMIES, son of Rudolph SCHMIES and Elizabeth KOTTE, on 20 Jul 1854 in Lage Catholic Parish, Rieste, Prussia. Herman was born in Feb 1824 in Rieste, Niedersachsen, Germany. They had two children: Heinrich Joseph and Bernard Herman. 3-Heinrich Joseph SCHMIES was born on 30 Apr 1855 in Lage Catholic Parish, Rieste, Prussia and was christened on 30 Apr 1855 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Prussia. Christening Notes:Godparents: Joseph Schmies, Heinrich Colon Oveste in Rieste 3-Bernard Herman SCHMIES was born on 21 Dec 1863 in Lage Catholic Parish, Rieste, Prussia. > Hi Steve, > > Thanks for responding so quickly. I've posted to the > Netherlands sites and everyone there is convinced this > is not a Dutch name ... all tho very similiar to the > Dutch surname PLEUNE. I've been thinking its French > ... but have only found one PLEUME in French records. > I never even considered Sweden before ... and will > definitely start checking Thuringia. > > I checked my map. The Alfhausen "Horst" is on the > road a km or so north of the road that goes to Rieste. > > None of your surnames are in my database. My > ggg-grandfather, born PLEUME in 1795, changed the name > to PLEUMANN in 1834 and immigrated to Ohio in 1854. > Just can't find the origin of the father; illegitimate > birth. The mother was an ECKELMANN whose father was > from Bramsche.

Susan, Were any of your ancestors in Addison or Bensonville? Or the Chicago area? Linda -----Original Message----- Date: 5/6/2005 11:14:39 AM Central America Standard Tim From: subwest@comcast.net To: NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com > I live in Addison Township, DuPage Co., IL. Can I be of help to someone? > So many listers have helped me, maybe I can return the favor. > Susan

Steven, Thank you very much for this information. My family (PLEUME, PLEUMANN, later PLEIMANN in the US) was found in Alfhausen in a 1795 baptism record. Unfortunately, the father (PLEUME) was not born nor did he die in these records. The child was born in the "Horst" in Alfhausen. Based on a map, this appears to be a farm. Do you (or anyone) have any information about this family or about the Horst? Who owned it? I would be extremely grateful if you would pass along any additional information. Becky --- "Steven C. Wehling" <wehling@sio.midco.net> wrote: > Hallo list members > > I think this is the first time I have posted to this > list, I have been researching in this area of > Germany for the last 15 years and have all sorts of > odds and ends I have saved to hopfully connect my > family to or to help other reseachers out. This is > not connected to my family other than a baptismal > record listing Maria Clara Nobilis De Monsebroch as > a godparent. > > This letter was from Jens Muller Koppe who I had > hired as a researcher. > > I will be happy to answer any questions. > > Steven C. Wehling > > > > > > Just some very short note about a very interesting > find which I > > made during my visit to the State Archive Oldenburg > this week: > > I finely found the von M�nzbruch family (the name > was spelled > > M�nzebruch, Monsbrock, Monsbruch as well)! > > This might be a very important hint for the origin > of Boldewin > > (Balduin) Depenbrock, after Maria Clara, Nobilis De > Monsebrock was a godmother of his earliest (known) > child in 1713. > > The Noble Von M�nzbruch family were the owners of > the Twistel estate near the village of Heeke, > AIIhausen parish from 1649 until 1790. > > It was the father of the first owner Conrad (Meier) > von M�nzbruch, > > Hugo Meier, who was a Lutheran priest in St. > Sylvester > > Quakenbr�ck [1585- 1625], who was peered by me King > of Sweden (') > > There are a number of hints for the fact that the > von M�nzbruch family was closely connected (not in a > geaneological, but in a political and religious > sense) to the Swedish Kingdom, which was the leading > power of the Lutheran Countries in the 17th century, > > with great influence (and even annexed areas) in > Northern Germany. > > I have no positive evidence, but 1 am almost sure > that the family was still Lutheran in the (early) > 18th centwy. In this period they lived in an area > with 65 to 85 % Catholics. > > In 1790 the last male decendent of me family, the > lieutenant Carl Ludwig von M�nzbruch, sold the > Twislel estate. He died in 1803. > > The owners of Twistel were: > > I. Conrad (Meier) Von M�nzbruch > > son of Hugo Meier (Von M�nzbroch) > > bought the estate from the father of his wife > > Johann Von Quernheim in 1649 > > He was Vizedrost (administrator) ofWittlage, > > Gronenberg and Hunteburg due to Swedish protection > > 00I Anna Clara Von Quernheim > > 002 Johann Eiisabeth von Brawe, widow von Frese > > II. Gustav Adolf Von M�nzbruch (+10. 02.1696) > > oo Marie Odilia Von Wulfen > > III. Johann Friedrich Hilmar von M�nzbruch > > The estate was managed by guardians until 1712, > > when Johann Friedrich Hilmar was of age > > 00 I Judith Catharina Von Der Horst auf Vinkenburg > (+ 1730) > > 002 Wilhelmine Charlotte von Steuben > > IV. CarJ Ludwig von M�nzbruch, Oberstlieutenant sold > the estate in 1790 (+ 1803) > > The fact that a member of the Von M�nzbruch family > was a Depenbrock godmother in 1713 is a strong hint > for a connection of the Boldewin Depenbrock to this > family. Maybe he was dependent to the Twistel Estate > or even connected to the family. > > Therfore it seems to be possible - if not probable - > that Boldewin or his parents were Lutheran as well > before 1713. > > What are the conc1usions that we are able to draw > from the information about the von M�nzbrueh family? > > #1 Boldewin Depenbrock might have been Lutheran > originally The Lutheran parish for Alfhausen and > Bersenbriick was St. Christopherus in Gehrde > (northeast of Bersenbr�ck). There are parish > registers preserved from 1713 on from this parish. > > #2 There werc no M�nzbruch and Depenbrock entries > found in Alfhausen, which was the Catholic parish > for Heeke, but after Twistel located was much nearer > to Bersenbr�ck than to Alfhausen, the Catholic > church of St. Vincentius Bersenbr�ck, might be > another chance (remebering it was usual in this area > that a minority of Lutherans can be found in > Catholic parish registers).there are records from > 1672 (baptism) resp. 1688 (00 and +) > > preserved for Bersenbr�ck. > > #3 Last but not least it should be mentioned that > the Von M�nzburg family owned a farm(state) in > Osnabr�ck-Neustadt from 1660 on as well. May be the > Depenbrock family was connected to this line of the > family, ... > > (Two Lutheran Parishes and two Catholic Parishes in > the city of Osnabr�ck, records reach back to > > 1678 St. Katharinen Luth. > > 1685/1691 St. Marien Luth. > > (17th century) Dom Cath. > > (17th century) St. Johannis Cath. > > Well, this might be a good "breeding ground" for > further research about the origin of the mysterious > Boldewin Depenbrock some time (may be including > State Archive Research in Osnabr�ck as suggested > earlier). > > Last but not least, I was able to access and check a > printed farm register of the > > Amt Damme, which included some very interesting > > facts about some families, which are connected to > the Depenbrocks: > > Westerhausen, Neuenkirchen parish > > a) Westerhaus farm > > 24 ha > > Osnabriick subjects (Halbersbe) > > dependent to the Kommende Lage, 1830 to the Kingdom > of Hannover > > b) Taubke-Westerhues Hmn > > 34 ha > > Munster subjects (Ganzerbe) > > not dependent to any Gutsherr (landowner) > > c) Heye Bei Der Hake farm > > 7 ha > > Munster subjects (K�tterei) > > not dependent to any Gutsherr (landowner) > > 1777: was oblidged to being the letters to Vechta, , > Osnabruck, > > Furstenau and Hopsten > > === message truncated ===

Hallo Renate I would like to thank you, too, for the interesting history of the Meier zu Oestringen farm. I appreciate your kindness in looking up the information and passing it on. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan und Renate Dry" <alan-renatedry@osnanet.de> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [NIEDERSACHSEN] MEYER, PIEPENSCHNEIDER >Hello Jerry >The farm Meier zu Oestringen was mentioned in 1223 "villicus in >Osteringen". >I found a brief history of this farm (which still stands today) in a book >about Haste. >In 1240 Meier zu Oestringen belonged to the Bishop of Osnabrück. In 1240 >the farmer had to pay the following to the bishop: >6 pigs >4 Malter (old measurement) barley >1 load of dry wood >2 Malter rye >1 Urne (old measurement) butter >10 hens >3 "maldra" cheese >for Easter >100 eggs >100 "seutelas" >2 geese >10 Denare (currency) >In the 14th century the convent in Enger received income from Meier zu >Oestringen. >The following people registred on the farm in 1540: >the farmer Meier zu Oestringen >his wife >2 farmhands >2 farm lasses >The following people were registred in 1601: >Meiger to Oestringen >with his wife Anna >the farmhand Dirk >the shepherd Hans >the miller Joest >and Hüsselte Hille (Hüsselte were people of lower status who found a place >to live on a farm) >in the Leibzucht (a smaller house on the farm usually used for the old >farmer and his wife when the farm was taken over by the heir) Lüdeke with >his wife and sister Lise. >Livestock in 1557: >8 cows >9 cattle >30 sheep >16 pigs >5 horses >The following open fields belonged to the farm in 1723: >die Lienwiese >Meyers Esche >Der Rübengarten >Auf dem Oesteresch >Das Kirchenstück >Der große und kleine Berg >Die Hove >Die Holle >In der Stegde >Der Fischteich >Der große und kleine Sunderkathen >Der Mühlenhof >Der Cleeberg >In 1677 the bishop gave the farm including the mill to the Earl of Platen. >After >that the Court Marshal von Moltke und then Itel Stael were in possession >of >the farm. >In 1730 the farm was bought by the convent Gertrudenberg >There is still an inscription at the main building: >Burned down in 1780, rebuilt a lot bigger in the same year by Mother >Superior Walburger von Sarau. Reerected the 27th of June. >At the beginning of the 19th century the Meierhof consisted of the main >building, about 15 Scheffel (old measurement) arable land, the right to >fish >the river Nette within their land and the mill that belonged to the farm. >It isn't known when this mill was built. The mill was pulled down in >1888/89. At the beginning of the 17th century a so called copper hammer >belonged to the farm. >In 1772 the convent let the farm to Johann Bernd Gerdinck from Malgarten >whose family worked the farm for more than 200 years. The Gerding family >left the farm in 1984 and the arable land was sold to another farmer >(Hanesch) in Haste. The building is now used for living purposes only. > >Well, I hope the above is of some interest to you. There is also a >Grothaus >farm in Haste but I can't see a connection to the Grothaus in Harderberg. > >Kind regards >Renate DRY >in Germany