This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/3931.1 Message Board Post: Hello, I know a Reinhardt family from Waterloo, Illinois, U.S.A., who I think also had ties in Missouri.

Go to www.Meinestadt.de Select Niedersachsen and get a great overview of all the cities and small towns. The capital of Niedersachsen is the City of Hannover. In the 1800s, There was the Kingdom and city of Hanover. Greetings from Ingrid F.

> If someone is said to come from Niedersachsen, what would be some of the main > cities to search. > Thanks > Depending on the time period, most people who emigrated from Germany came from rural areas, not cities. (This was true for all seven of my immigrant ancestors, including four who came from what is today Niedersachsen.) I think this would especially be true if the person settled in a rural area or a small town in the U.S. (This wasn't the case for my family -- all seven settled in New York City, including one who farmed in Brooklyn and Queens, New York until about 1930.) So, unless you know that your ancestor came from a city in Niedersachsen, your best bet is that he came from a rural area. Most of Niedersachsen in the past and even today is rural (it was the most sparsely populated of the states that made up West Germany). It was made up of thousands of small farm villages, ten to twenty of which were grouped into a parish. There were Lutheran parishes (this was the dominant religion), Reformed parishes and Roman Catholic parishes. The following website gives a partial list of the Lutheran parishes in Niedersachsen: http://www.hist.de/KB-hannover.htm There are 910 Lutheran parishes on this list. The records for each one were kept separately, thus there is no central index of information for Niedersachsen or any of it's component parts (Hannover, Oldenburg, and Braunschweig). There is an effort underway to index one of the Hanover censuses from the mid-1800's, but this will take many years (They have been working on it for a couple of years and I think they have finished less than 5%). Unfortunately, this means that you need to know the parish where your family lived. (If you know the village, you can determine the parish.) The best place to get this information is in U.S. records (church record - marriages and baptisms of the children, emigration records, citizenship records, death records including obituaries, etc.) Once in a while, you might get lucky and match a person's birth date up with a person who who was researched by someone else, but this is rare. (I have been able to do this for two people (out of 55,000) in my database.) I wish you luck. Fred Buck Cincinnati, Ohio

Suche katholische Namensträger FRIDERICI / FRIEDERICI in Hildesheim zwischen etwa 1750 und 1760. Suche die Eltern und Geburtsinformationen von: ******************************************************* Antonette FRIEDERICI, * vielleicht um 1860 in Hildesheim und Johann Thomas FRIEDERICI, * vielleicht um 1855 in Hildesheim ******************************************************* Wer kann helfen ? Jede Information ist von Interesse. Herzliche Grüsse Georg Friederici

From: LJK27@aol.com<mailto:LJK27@aol.com> >If someone is said to come from Niedersachsen, what would be some of the main >cities to search. I would start with the ships record from Hamburg and Bremen. Katharina Hines

If someone is said to come from Niedersachsen, what would be some of the main cities to search. Thanks

Katharina - Thanks for the information. Perhaps I can contact the Babst researcher - is that a mail address (as is, the entire thing the way it's written, or just the 2nd part...or?)? Might there be an e-mail contact or would I first need to communicate by regular mail? Obviously, I am a "newbie", at least to this list, and I am not familiar with German addresses. Can I expect that Marie-Luise Springer or someone in her office might read/write English? Is there some sort of etiquette or style guide available as an aid to writing to persons in Germany? (Even in English I suppose there would be a correct way to do this, and I don't want to give offense...). Please contact me off-list if that is more appropriate. Thank you very much for your attention! Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katharina Hines" <hines747@msn.com> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: Re: Salome Flori Babst > Frank<mailto:NIEDERSACHSEN-L@Frank> Johnson wrote: > >> I have a g.g.grandmother named SALOME FLORI (1826-1900), from Hanover, > Germany. She married FRANK BABST, b. abt. 1822 in Hanover and they (she, > at > least - I assume with him) emigrated to America in 1856 at age 44 (1900 > Chicago census). According to an earlier census record, they were living > in > Chicago in 1860. There are some variations of Salome's birth date from > other > sources, ranging from 1822 to 1830; I also have a copy of a photograph of > her. >> >> 1860 US Census, Chicago: Children in Babst hh are: Lena, b. abt. 1846 in > Hanover, Ger.; Leon, b. abt. 1849 in Hanover; August, b. abt. 1852 in > Hanover; Mary (my grandmother), b. abt. 1854 in Chicago, Eugene, b. abt. > 1860 in Chicago, and, in a later record, John, b. 1865 in Illinois. >> >> Has anyone ever come across any FLORIs living in Hanover during the early > to mid-19th Century? What about the name SALOME? (She was referred to as > "Salley" in the 1860 census). This name struck me as rather unusual and I > was hoping it might have been passed down in her family, perhaps giving us > a > clue. > > Hi, > I checked on my CD > > Here is a Babst researcher > > Babst /Pabst > 1700-9999 römisch-katholisch Deutschland -D- > 31100 Hildesheim Niedersachsen > > Marie-Luise Springer > Fischergasse 9 > D 84100 Niederaichbach > > I checked for a Flori researcher none of them are researching a Flori > family in Niedersachsen. > All thr Flori families are more from the southern part of Germany. > > Katharina > > ______________________________

According to German Immigrants by Zimmerman. August Winter age 29 from Emsdetten arrived in NY on board "Hermann" on June 4, 1866 Marge K ----- Original Message ----- From: <fenix@hawaii.rr.com> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:43 AM Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] What next? Genealogy in Hannover, August Philip WINTER > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: WINTER > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/4010 > > Message Board Post: > > Hi all, > > I have an ancestor, his date of birth, and a ship passenger list that > indicates he came from Hanover, Prussia (via Bremen). Can anyone give me > advice on how to go about finding his origins in Hanover (b. 1836, > immigration 1865)? > > I have read that the Lutheran Church in Hannover has many records but am > not sure what steps to take to access them (or any "tricks" to locate his > information). Is it best to hire someone in Germany to investigate? Is > there a single, general index or would finding him require traveling to > multiple places and searching through individual documents? Are there any > other local resources (Hannover or Germany in general) I should consult? > Any advice is appreciated. > > In the off-chance that someone else is researching him, here is his info: > > August Philip WINTER, b. 2 NOV 1836. Arrived in New York via Bremen on > 15-16 MAY 1865, destination Ohio. Married in Dearborn, IN in 1867 to > Friedericke KESSLER. Naturalized in 1868 and subsequently moved to KS then > Platte and Lafayette, MO. > > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > Helpful websites! > http://go.to/hessen > http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: WINTER Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/4010 Message Board Post: Hi all, I have an ancestor, his date of birth, and a ship passenger list that indicates he came from Hanover, Prussia (via Bremen). Can anyone give me advice on how to go about finding his origins in Hanover (b. 1836, immigration 1865)? I have read that the Lutheran Church in Hannover has many records but am not sure what steps to take to access them (or any "tricks" to locate his information). Is it best to hire someone in Germany to investigate? Is there a single, general index or would finding him require traveling to multiple places and searching through individual documents? Are there any other local resources (Hannover or Germany in general) I should consult? Any advice is appreciated. In the off-chance that someone else is researching him, here is his info: August Philip WINTER, b. 2 NOV 1836. Arrived in New York via Bremen on 15-16 MAY 1865, destination Ohio. Married in Dearborn, IN in 1867 to Friedericke KESSLER. Naturalized in 1868 and subsequently moved to KS then Platte and Lafayette, MO.

Frank Johnson wrote: > I have a g.g.grandmother named SALOME FLORI (1826-1900), from Hanover, Germany. She married FRANK BABST, b. abt. 1822 in Hanover and they (she, at least - I assume with him) emigrated to America in 1856 at age 44 (1900 Chicago census). According to an earlier census record, they were living in Chicago in 1860. There are some variations of Salome's birth date from other sources, ranging from 1822 to 1830; I also have a copy of a photograph of her. > > 1860 US Census, Chicago: Children in Babst hh are: Lena, b. abt. 1846 in Hanover, Ger.; Leon, b. abt. 1849 in Hanover; August, b. abt. 1852 in Hanover; Mary (my grandmother), b. abt. 1854 in Chicago, Eugene, b. abt. 1860 in Chicago, and, in a later record, John, b. 1865 in Illinois. > > Has anyone ever come across any FLORIs living in Hanover during the early to mid-19th Century? What about the name SALOME? (She was referred to as "Salley" in the 1860 census). This name struck me as rather unusual and I was hoping it might have been passed down in her family, perhaps giving us a clue. > Frank, Salome is a rare first name but I wouldn't call it unusual. I have an ancestor named Salome Stenberg (the last name later became more common as Steinberg) who born in about 1670, married in 1690 and died in 1716 in the parish of Oerel, located about 50 miles north of Bremen. The name was more common farther south in Germany (Hessen, the Pfalz and Baden). The name Bapst may have also been more commonly spelled as Papst (B's and P's sometimes were interchanged depending on how the person recording the name heard it). Fred Buck Cincinnati, Ohio

Frank<mailto:NIEDERSACHSEN-L@Frank> Johnson wrote: > I have a g.g.grandmother named SALOME FLORI (1826-1900), from Hanover, Germany. She married FRANK BABST, b. abt. 1822 in Hanover and they (she, at least - I assume with him) emigrated to America in 1856 at age 44 (1900 Chicago census). According to an earlier census record, they were living in Chicago in 1860. There are some variations of Salome's birth date from other sources, ranging from 1822 to 1830; I also have a copy of a photograph of her. > > 1860 US Census, Chicago: Children in Babst hh are: Lena, b. abt. 1846 in Hanover, Ger.; Leon, b. abt. 1849 in Hanover; August, b. abt. 1852 in Hanover; Mary (my grandmother), b. abt. 1854 in Chicago, Eugene, b. abt. 1860 in Chicago, and, in a later record, John, b. 1865 in Illinois. > > Has anyone ever come across any FLORIs living in Hanover during the early to mid-19th Century? What about the name SALOME? (She was referred to as "Salley" in the 1860 census). This name struck me as rather unusual and I was hoping it might have been passed down in her family, perhaps giving us a clue. Hi, I checked on my CD Here is a Babst researcher Babst /Pabst 1700-9999 römisch-katholisch Deutschland -D- 31100 Hildesheim Niedersachsen Marie-Luise Springer Fischergasse 9 D 84100 Niederaichbach I checked for a Flori researcher none of them are researching a Flori family in Niedersachsen. All thr Flori families are more from the southern part of Germany. Katharina

Hello List - Is anyone researching this family? I have a g.g.grandmother named SALOME FLORI (1826-1900), from Hanover, Germany. She married FRANK BABST, b. abt. 1822 in Hanover and they (she, at least - I assume with him) emigrated to America in 1856 at age 44 (1900 Chicago census). According to an earlier census record, they were living in Chicago in 1860. There are some variations of Salome's birth date from other sources, ranging from 1822 to 1830; I also have a copy of a photograph of her. 1860 US Census, Chicago: Children in Babst hh are: Lena, b. abt. 1846 in Hanover, Ger.; Leon, b. abt. 1849 in Hanover; August, b. abt. 1852 in Hanover; Mary (my grandmother), b. abt. 1854 in Chicago, Eugene, b. abt. 1860 in Chicago, and, in a later record, John, b. 1865 in Illinois. Has anyone ever come across any FLORIs living in Hanover during the early to mid-19th Century? What about the name SALOME? (She was referred to as "Salley" in the 1860 census). This name struck me as rather unusual and I was hoping it might have been passed down in her family, perhaps giving us a clue. I have no information about the exact origins (village, district?) of either of these persons. Any help someone might provide would be appreciated - thank you very much! Stumped, Frank Johnson Researching: FLORI, BABST, SHOBER

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/1360.2110.2478.1.1 Message Board Post: schwaegerman is the american spelling of the german Schwagermann (there is an umlaut over the first a). This would be the same family name. This name would probably be Schwägermann Please note the umlaut and the double 'n' > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Admin: mailto:NIEDERSACHSEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe send an email to: NIEDERSACHSEN-L-request@rootsweb.com > (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe > in the body of the message. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/1360.2110.2478.1.1 Message Board Post: schwaegerman is the american spelling of the german Schwagermann (there is an umlaut over the first a). This would be the same family name.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/4009 Message Board Post: I search the names; Hoermann, Wilkining,Werchan,Abelmann, & Harfelbrink(Harselbrink-Hasselbrink in the area of Winzlar and Nopke, Niedersachsen. Will share.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/4008 Message Board Post: Looking for information on my 2nd ggparents Heinrich & Madgalena Strauss. The family was from the Hanover, Germany area. They came to the US in 1854 and lived in Chacigo, IL.They family changed their last name to Stross abt 1860. Thanks Bob Buehler

In a message dated 10/11/2005 12:14:33 AM US Eastern Standard Time, kramer@erospirit.org writes: My Kramer ancestors lived in Andervenne along with my Rectin(g) relatives. Any connections? I don't know of any connections with that name or village. Do any of the following names appear in your tree? My other ancestors from Wehm were Johan Hermann DETERS parents: Johan DETERS and Walburga (Wubke) NIEHE; paternal grandparents: {Gerd SIEVERS mean DETERS} and Tecla DETERS; maternal grandparents were Robe Nee (NIHE) and Gesina MORKENLUBBERS. Johan Hermann DETERS married Tecla BRINKMANN in St. Louis, Missouri, in 1863, shortly after they arrived. This Tecla was from Lahn, about 3 miles from Wehm. Tecla's parents were Reinard BRINKMANN and Anna Maria WILKEN (she was from Harrenstedde); her paternal grandparents were Heinrich BRINKMANN and Gesina JANSES; her maternal grandparents were Johan Hermann WILKEN and Helena Margaretha KORTE. Johan Hermann's son Herman Theodore DETERS married Maria Anna PURK in 1899 in St. Clement, Missouri, about 80 miles northwest of Florissant. Maria Anna's mother, Maria Gesina UNTHYT, was also from Wehm. Maria Gesina's mother was Maria NIHE, whose parents were Robe (Nee) NIHE and Gesina MOLKENLUBBERS. I got most of this information from Bischofliches Generalvikariat, Osnabruck, Germany and used their wording in my notes The names underlined are so similar and from the same small town that I think second cousins married each other. Claire Deters Hayes

My Great grandfather was Jurgen Heinrich Friedrich Ludwig CASTENS b. 5 Mar 1811/12 Kettenburg, d. 21 Feb 1867 Frielingen, Kreis Soltau, he was the son of Johan Heinrich CASTENS and Katharine Margarethe KÖHLER. Jurgen m. 26 Jun 1845, Catharina Maria AVERBECK, b. 3 Nov 1823 Woltem, Kreis Soltau, and d. ther 8 Aug 1896. She was the dau of Hans Jürgen AVERBECK and Anna Christina RÖHRS. I would like to find anything more about them and other descendants. Yvonne Castens Prough

Dale Essensa wrote: >I am been unable to find anything definitive seems possible his fathers name may have been Andreas >isensee. This is a new spelling of the name I >have seen Esensa Essensa Isensee Isense. I guess >however they spell it it seems the same Heinrich from Appelton Maine I received the story via >three >sources + Broad Bay Pioneers , History of the Town of Union Maine and Early Families of The >Mackadavy where his grandson my great >grandfather settled south western New Brunswick a place >called Lee Settlement where I was born I now am retired and live in Northern Alberta >Canada My great >grandfather was Charles son of David (Heinrichs son) who settled in Harvey Station area of NB It was >indicated to me I is >pronounced like E in German. Maybe this explains why they spelled it with and E. I >read he had someone write for him to Germany to his family who >thought he was dead so it sounds like >he probably did not write which was common in those times.I could find no record o! f any variation ! > of Essensa on German sites only Isensee wjich is a place near North sea meaning sea of Ice.Also >there were references to Hessian soldier all >German soldiers were called Hessians by early Americans >he came from Brunswick not Hesse from what I read. Which branch are you from the NB >OR Maine? >This is not very helpful I realize but no one responds to my postings on German sites if they do I will <post something for you regards Dale Essensa Here are some Isensee researchers from Germany. Isensee 1692-9999 lutherisch Deutschland -D- 38364 Esbeck Niedersachsen __________SH0525__________ Otto Kiencke Baumweg 33 D 23113 Kiel 0431-681104 ------------------------------------------------ Isensee 1778-9999 lutherisch Deutschland -D- 29468 Bergen, Dumme Niedersachsen __________AM0367__________ Dr.Hermann Vogt Ilexweg 33 D 29229 Celle ------------------------------------------------------ Isensee 0-1869 evangelisch Deutschland -D- 38000 Braunschweig Niedersachsen __________AM0864__________ Dr.Georg Müller Ägidienstraße 13 D Amberg --------------------------------------------- sensee 1875-1875 evangelisch Deutschland -D- 38350 Helmstedt Niedersachsen __________GF0918__________ Karl Wörner Daudetstrasse 18 D 81245 München 089 8644201 ka-woe@t-online.de<mailto:ka-woe@t-online.de> ---------------------------- Isensee 1826-1826 evangelisch Deutschland -D- 38173 Volzum Niedersachsen __________SH0505__________ Uwe Rosendahl Grenzweg 25 D 38104 Braunschweig 0531 / 3 69 41 uwerosendahl@gmx.de<mailto:uwerosendahl@gmx.de> ------------------------------------------ Isensee 1838-1852 Deutschland -D- 28757 Vegesack Bremen __________MS0129__________ Online OFB Bremen-Vegesack Die MAUS e. V. Am Staatsarchiv 1 D 28203 Bremen maus@genealogienetz.de<mailto:maus@genealogienetz.de> ----------------------------------------- Isensee 1844-1866 evangelisch Deutschland -D- 38154 Königslutter Niedersachsen __________AM10913__________ Archiv der AMF AL Müller Schongauerstraße 1 D 4320 Leipzig 0341-2555552 amf@archive.smi.sachsen.de<mailto:amf@archive.smi.sachsen.de> ------------------------------------------ Isensee 1656-1740 evangelisch Deutschland -D- 38304 Halchter Niedersachsen __________NL1162__________ Klaus Masche Rohrstraße 42 D 63075 Offenbach 069-863208 ----------------------------------------- Isensee 1680-9999 Deutschland -D- 38 321 Klein Denkte Niedersachsen __________AM1632__________ Dr.Wolfgang Heinemann Stresemannstr.9 D 63450 Hanau ---------------------------- Isensee 1722-9999 römisch-katholisch Deutschland -D- 38321 Heiningen Niedersachsen __________GH4374__________ Wilhelm Franz Behncke Eberswalder Str.2 D 30629 Hannover 0511 - 582888 Wilhelmbehncke@aol.de<mailto:Wilhelmbehncke@aol.de> ------------------------------------ Isensee 1780-1868 evangelisch Deutschland -D- 39638 Solpke __________NL1178__________ Hans D. Gregor Försterkamp 15 D 30539 Hannover 05115295395 gregor-h.d@gmx.de<mailto:gregor-h.d@gmx.de> --------------------------------- Isensee 1933-1933 evangelisch Deutschland -D- 38108 Querum Niedersachsen __________GF0918__________ Karl Wörner Daudetstrasse 18 D 81245 München 089 8644201 ka-woe@t-online.de<mailto:ka-woe@t-online.de> Katharina Hines

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/3908.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, I made an error... I said seven principalities.. it is six! Please come visit! Nelda