This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Meyer,Kanning, Heur Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/4004.1 Message Board Post: I have hoijer as if maybe from denmark. but what i wanted to suggest is maybe looking into Hoffmeister, the german word maybe. Maybe you will find a few things more. Not that i knowyour business. but i wanted to help. at hannover list is the Hoffmeister family near where my Hoijer was his though was muenster and he had some of his family by mine at Nahrendorf. I have seen Hoyer there also. and Heur same. In my tree with Heur it is over by fallingbostel and MInden going to iowa and mn. good luck

Hallo Georg, Die "Chirurgen" wurden erst in der zweiten Hälfte des 19. Jahrhunderts mit den Ärzten gleichgestellt, waren also Handwerker und keine Studierten... Der Volksmund kennt die Chirurgen als Kurpfuscher... Sesshaft waren die Chirurgen nur in den seltensten Fällen, in der Regel zogen sie von Jahrmarkt zu Jahrmarkt... Christoph Haupt -- Haupt'S finden&suchen Christoph Haupt Am Friedenstal 1 D-30627 Hannover 0(049) 511 - 522313 0(049) 511 - 8793208 chg.C.Haupt@t-online.de www.haupt-researcher.de "Georg Friederici" <georgfriederici@manquehue.net> schrieb: > suche FRIDERICI in Hildesheim um 1750: > ..................................................................................... > suche katholische Namensträger FRIDERICI / FRIEDERICI in Hildesheim um 1750. > Speziell suche ich die Eltern von einem Johann Thomas Friederici (Friderici), der etwa 1755 in Hildesheim geboren sein könnte. Er wurde Chirurg. Ich weiss nicht wo er studierte, vielleicht in Göttingen (?). Er erscheint 1797 im Herzogthum Jülich-Berg, wo er eine zweite Ehe einging. Seine erste Ehefrau ist mir nicht bekannt. In der Proclamation von 1797 steht, daß er aus Hildesheim stammte ("Hildesiensis" ). > ..................................................................................... > Warum ging er wohl von Hildesheim im Kurfürstenthum Hannover weg und ging nach Süchteln im Herzogthum Jülich-Berg, ein seit 1794 von den Franzosen besetztes Land ? > ..................................................................................... > Jeder Hinweis ist von Interesse. > Herzliche Grüsse aus Santiago de Chile > Georg Friederici > .....................................................................................

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/448.466 Message Board Post: I have quite a few ancestors from the same towns going back to about 1745. Surnames are Behn, Muller, Sesselberg, Bauck, Baetzhorn (Paetzhorn or Batzhorn), Bullemann (Buldemann or Bultemann). Towns are Wittenwater, Gerdau, Klein Sustedt, Gross Sustedt and Bargfeld.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/3128.3128.1 Message Board Post: Heinrich Porth and Dieter Boe had published the " Ortsfamilienbuch Ebstorf from 1627-1875." You can order this book with the whole dates from the district ebstorf by " Museums-und Heimatverein Uelzen e.V. " c/ o Mr. Uwe Harnack Kroge 29 D 29525 Uelzen Germany. The price is 30,-- Euro + charges.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/1531.1.1 Message Board Post: Heinrich Porth and Dieter Boe had published the " Ortsfamilienbuch Ebstorf from 1627-1875." You can order this book with the whole dates from the district ebstorf by " Museums-und Heimatverein Uelzen e.V. " c/ o Mr. Uwe Harnack Kroge 29 D 29525 Uelzen Germany. The price is 30,-- Euro + charges.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/3575.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Heinrich Porth and Dieter Boe had published the " Ortsfamilienbuch Ebstorf from 1627-1875." You can order this book with the whole dates from the district ebstorf by " Museums-und Heimatverein Uelzen e.V. " c/ o Mr. Uwe Harnack Kroge 29 D 29525 Uelzen Germany. The price is 30,-- Euro + charges.

suche FRIDERICI in Hildesheim um 1750: ..................................................................................... suche katholische Namensträger FRIDERICI / FRIEDERICI in Hildesheim um 1750. Speziell suche ich die Eltern von einem Johann Thomas Friederici (Friderici), der etwa 1755 in Hildesheim geboren sein könnte. Er wurde Chirurg. Ich weiss nicht wo er studierte, vielleicht in Göttingen (?). Er erscheint 1797 im Herzogthum Jülich-Berg, wo er eine zweite Ehe einging. Seine erste Ehefrau ist mir nicht bekannt. In der Proclamation von 1797 steht, daß er aus Hildesheim stammte ("Hildesiensis" ). ..................................................................................... Warum ging er wohl von Hildesheim im Kurfürstenthum Hannover weg und ging nach Süchteln im Herzogthum Jülich-Berg, ein seit 1794 von den Franzosen besetztes Land ? ..................................................................................... Jeder Hinweis ist von Interesse. Herzliche Grüsse aus Santiago de Chile Georg Friederici .....................................................................................

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/1451.3004.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: It's possible that the town was misspelled. It could be Kohren-Sahlis or Choren. I also found on the back of a picture of the Adler-Drogerie Dresden-Alt. 19. Hublerstr. 32 Aufnahme vom Onkel Ernst. 20./8. 1930 Ernst was my mother's uncle. I don't have any information on him or his father, also named Ernst. My grandfather was Richard Otto Winkler, born 15 October 1882 in Saxony, died 6 October 1933 in New York.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/4012.1 Message Board Post: Sharon, you've posted your query on this particular message board, which is the message board for people looking for information about people who were specifically from what is today the German state of Lower Saxony (in German: Niedersachsen) in northern Germany. But you say that the Oppermann family is said to have come from the German state of Hesse (in German: Hessen) in central Germany. I would thus suggest that you post your query again, but this time on the Germany Hessen message board. If the Oppermann family really was from Hesse, anybody who might possibly know something would of course be much more likely to see your query on that board than here on this one. Robert

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Opperman Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/4012 Message Board Post: I've just restarted chasing my father's (Nelson Maurice Opperman) family tree. I've got his birth certificate that lists his dad as Maurice Walter Opperman, married to Mabel Anna Boehringer. Family lore says that Maurice died in a accident on a ship around 1930. I'm looking for any sibs or perhaps parents (I've got notes that said he had brothers of Arthur, Jake, Frank and sisters of Pauline and Clara. Frank and Clara were twins and died near to birth). I'd like to find a link to when/where family immigrated to link back to Germany (again family lore) has this in/around Hessen. Locations I've found mentioned are Ridgefield township, Norwalk, Clarksfield, Wakeman and Findlay. I've also found a note that Arthur married Philipena Bach Boehringer if that helps tie to another family tree. Making him a step-dad to Mabel Anna Boehringer.

To fenix@hawaii.rr.com What I wrote were a few tips for someone starting out. Only after re-reading your inquiry (and after I posted my suggestions) did I realize you may be looking for more precise advice than generalized ones I offered. My apologies if this were the case. Jb >Getting started is normally the roughest part. It's all quite new and often >a bit unnerving and even intimidating. This is only natural, but >fortunately this stage passes quite quickly. > >I'll offer up a few random tips here... _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Getting started is normally the roughest part. It's all quite new and often a bit unnerving and even intimidating. This is only natural, but fortunately this stage passes quite quickly. I'll offer up a few random tips here: - Try to concentrate your research on this side of 'the pond' when starting out, with whatever you can gather up (memorabilia, family records and photos, ancestors' letters, etc.). Then analyze what you have for data and additional clues. Only after you have done sufficient work on the American side will you be ready to 'cross the bridge' into German exploration. Needless to say, this effort could take years, or you may luck out rather quickly (but don't count on it). - Attempt to acquire the birth, and better yet, death records of your grandparents - and their parents - if at all possible. Goldmines of information can also be gleaned from your ancestors' obituaries, if they can be located. This includes collateral relations to boot. - Get to know the LDS (Church of Latter Day Saints) record holdings, both via Family Research Centers as found in most good size cities (most possessing remarkable microfilm collections), and per their online website. Zero in for starters on U.S. census records in particular. After sufficient research, you will eventually try to move onto their various German record holdings. But first things first, as this will no doubt take a bit of time. As always, the baby must learn to crawl before it can walk. - There are also libraries, government archives, genealogical and historical societies, cemeteries and online genealogy lists like this one to look into. Don't be afraid to ask questions and follow up on off-the-wall hunches. If you're not familiar with Google (or any of its online brethren) as an all-around search tool (to include matters genealogical), get hip quick. - Also be prepared to hunker down for the long haul. Not everything will come easy (as you may have already discovered), but often when things look bleakest, a lucky (or well earned) break will find its way to you. And all of a sudden, hope springs eternal. - Finally, avoid letting notions and first impressions evolve prematurely into "fixed ideas". Nothing is more counter-productive to making headway in family/ancestral research than searching with a less than open mind. Trust me, anything is possible at any time and any place. This is as true back in the good old days as it is today. Our ancestors weren't really that much different when it comes down to the nuts and bolts of human nature, and human failings. I could go on more I suppose but I'll leave you with a recent post from one of the members of the list here who posted this shortly after your own query. Though pertaining to a different topic, it addresses a number of the issues you'll face starting off in German family research, particularly having to DETERMINE THE CITY OR VILLAGE your family came from (as critical as anything for making the ultimate connection). There has also been an interesting exchange in the last few days on the cities of Lower Saxony, and also various research "breakthroughs" some on the list have experienced. This should give you a good idea of the range of topics (and tidbits) that can arise on these kinds of lists. If you can learn from those who, like you, had to trip and stumble a bit when starting out (though this continues to happen with maddening regularity even as time goes <gr>), and thus learned things the true blue but often hard way, you will most certainly profit. Good hunting my friend! Jb SoCal ----- On 10-19-05 Fred Buck wrote: Depending on the time period, most people who emigrated from Germany came from rural areas, not cities. (This was true for all seven of my immigrant ancestors, including four who came from what is today Niedersachsen.) I think this would especially be true if the person settled in a rural area or a small town in the U.S. (This wasn't the case for my family -- all seven settled in New York City, including one who farmed in Brooklyn and Queens, New York until about 1930.) So, unless you know that your ancestor came from a city in Niedersachsen, your best bet is that he came from a rural area. Most of Niedersachsen in the past and even today is rural (it was the most sparsely populated of the states that made up West Germany). It was made up of thousands of small farm villages, ten to twenty of which were grouped into a parish. There were Lutheran parishes (this was the dominant religion), Reformed parishes and Roman Catholic parishes. The following website gives a partial list of the Lutheran parishes in Niedersachsen: http://www.hist.de/KB-hannover.htm There are 910 Lutheran parishes on this list. The records for each one were kept separately, thus there is no central index of information for Niedersachsen or any of it's component parts (Hannover, Oldenburg, and Braunschweig). There is an effort underway to index one of the Hanover censuses from the mid-1800's, but this will take many years (They have been working on it for a couple of years and I think they have finished less than 5%). Unfortunately, this means that you need to know the parish where your family lived. (If you know the village, you can determine the parish.) The best place to get this information is in U.S. records (church record - marriages and baptisms of the children, emigration records, citizenship records, death records including obituaries, etc.) Once in a while, you might get lucky and match a person's birth date up with a person who who was researched by someone else, but this is rare. (I have been able to do this for two people (out of 55,000) in my database.) I wish you luck. Fred Buck Cincinnati, Ohio ----- >From: fenix@hawaii.rr.com >Reply-To: NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] What next? Genealogy in Hannover, August Philip >WINTER >Date: 18 Oct 2005 02:43:53 -0600 > >Hi all, > >I have an ancestor, his date of birth, and a ship passenger list that >indicates he came from Hanover, Prussia (via Bremen). Can anyone give me >advice on how to go about finding his origins in Hanover (b. 1836, >immigration 1865)? > >I have read that the Lutheran Church in Hannover has many records but am >not sure what steps to take to access them (or any "tricks" to locate his >information). Is it best to hire someone in Germany to investigate? Is >there a single, general index or would finding him require traveling to >multiple places and searching through individual documents? Are there any >other local resources (Hannover or Germany in general) I should consult? >Any advice is appreciated. > >In the off-chance that someone else is researching him, here is his info: > >August Philip WINTER, b. 2 NOV 1836. Arrived in New York via Bremen on >15-16 MAY 1865, destination Ohio. Married in Dearborn, IN in 1867 to >Friedericke KESSLER. Naturalized in 1868 and subsequently moved to KS then >Platte and Lafayette, MO. _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

I am looking for strays of the family name Hashagen or Haßhagen, if there are any out there please contact me directly Laurie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/1157.2991.1.1 Message Board Post: Patrick, Have you found out anymore about the Dierking family? I am still working on the family history and have not found out everything. By the way is your e-mail still the same?

Absolutely. One's understanding of the relationships in a surname and one's knowledge of the local geography in Germany improve as one gathers information. Go back over old steps and things will leap out at you. Key is to collect people of your surname that you don't think are related, and save the source (citation) where you found it. I was looking for my great grandfather's birthplace in Germany and met only brick walls, "no one by that first name christened in this church or that church", etc. I did find a person by the same surname and followed his information back to Germany because he left more information on his children's birth certificates. But the information did not make any sense. And, 'they' said "no relation". After much time, and looking at a map of that area of Germany in 1883 and now, the picture became clearer. My great grandfather was born near the confluence of three German states where the boundaries changed over a century. The tree is now extended to my great, great grandfather, including a photo taken in 1880 of him, from a living member of the surname in that area, linked to only through my great uncle's name, someone I did not know to be an uncle. A big problem for me has been that the 1918 flu pandemic wiped out my grandparents when the kids were small. No one to pass the information to my generation. i will not repeat that misfortune with my negligence. My descendants will know where they came from. On the other hand, I have this suspicion that the information we find so difficult to access, will be in searchable databases in the future. What takes us years now will take them hours. But, they have to know whom to look for. By the way, because of the area they were from in Germany, I have had to track the Westfalen, Niedersachsen and other lists, although the resulting place of birth of my great grandfather was in what is now Sachsen-Anhalt but was then Thüringen. His brother's was in extreme Eastern Westfalen, and their ancestors in the part of Sachsen-Anhalt which was then Sachsen. Those folks got around! - michael On Oct 20, 2005, at 10:00 PM, NIEDERSACHSEN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > From: mstulken@wi.net > Date: October 20, 2005 3:19:10 PM CDT > To: NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIEDERSACHSEN] Re: Once in a while, you might get lucky > > when doing computer searches, don't hesitate to retrace > your steps over and over because things "out there" keep changing. > > Marilyn in Wisconsin >

Michael wrote: > Can you refer me to whomever is doing this indexing? in reference to a statement I made in a posting dated 19 Oct 2005 > > There is an effort underway to index one of the Hanover > > censuses from the mid-1800's, but this will take many years Jens Müller Koppe, a professional genealogist and the "owner" of the Lutheran parish website that I noted in my posting, is one of the individuals involved. On 3 Mar 2004 he and Regina Koppe posted the following at the Hannover-L mailing list: ____________________________________________________________ We (Regina Koppe and Jens Mueller-Koppe) are the ones who work on the 1852 Hanover Census project and have begun to issue a free, quarterly census newsletter for English speaking researchers who are interested in this project. You can subcribe to this newsletter (first issue Feb. 2004 - 8 pages) by sending an e-mail to edition@hist.de. The newsletter contains background information as "edition notes", "Archives and Holdings", information about the progress of the project and a bit about our experience with connectiong census and parish register research. For general information about the Hanover census of 1852 and the census project, please visit our wensite at www.edition-hist.de We would be happy if yiu and other readers of Hannover-L would be intersted in the project and in the newsletter. Although we surely appreciate Yvonne`s request for fund-raising it was not our intention to bring in any kind of buisiness matter into Hannover-L. We know quite well that there are good reasons to keep this mailing list and other genealogical ones "commercial free". Best greetings from Bremen, Germany, Regina and Jens Regina Koppe edition hist.de Historical Books and Source Editions Schanzendorfer Str. 9b D - 28307 Bremen Germany -> www.edition-hist.de <- ___________________________________________________________ I checked the census website noted in the posting and it has the list of villages that have been indexed as of 11 Sep 2005. A total of just over 47 thousand people had been indexed as of that date. Probably several million to go. This work is a business venture -- the group doing the indexing is selling books containing portions of the index. Each book has about 2000 names and costs between $12 and $14 U.S. Fred Buck Cincinnati, Ohio

I totally agree that the more time you spend searching, the more likely you are to have good luck. I had two "big finds" this year because on two separate occasions, I was wasting time at the computer looking for this name and for that name and for whatever else came to my mind at the moment. Also, when doing computer searches, don't hesitate to retrace your steps over and over because things "out there" keep changing. Marilyn in Wisconsin > Yes, but the more time you put into searching, the more likely to have > this lucky event. > I have found home places for 2 out of 6 families I am looking for. In > one case, by calling around Germany based on surnames in Das > Telefonbuch. In the other case, by happening to contact an archive at > about the same time a member of the family in Germany was also > contacting the archive. The archivist put us together. > > Keep in mind that people moved around quite a bit in the 19th Century. > One of mine listed his origin as Eastern Westfalen although he was born > in Thuringen, the family was from Niedersachsen, and he married someone > from Hannover. The three states are adjacent in that area and people > apparently moved freely from state to state in pursuit of their > fortune. > >> From: "Fred Buck" <fredbuck@sprynet.com> >> Date: October 19, 2005 7:25:41 PM CDT >> To: NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NIEDERSACHSEN] Main cities in Niedersachsen >> Once in a while, you might get lucky >> and match a person's birth date up with a person who who was >> researched by >> someone else, but this is rare. (I have been able to do this for two >> people >> (out of 55,000) in my database.) >> >> I wish you luck. >> >> Fred Buck >> Cincinnati, Ohio >> >> ______________________________ > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > Helpful websites! > http://go.to/hessen > http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Yes, but the more time you put into searching, the more likely to have this lucky event. I have found home places for 2 out of 6 families I am looking for. In one case, by calling around Germany based on surnames in Das Telefonbuch. In the other case, by happening to contact an archive at about the same time a member of the family in Germany was also contacting the archive. The archivist put us together. Keep in mind that people moved around quite a bit in the 19th Century. One of mine listed his origin as Eastern Westfalen although he was born in Thuringen, the family was from Niedersachsen, and he married someone from Hannover. The three states are adjacent in that area and people apparently moved freely from state to state in pursuit of their fortune. > From: "Fred Buck" <fredbuck@sprynet.com> > Date: October 19, 2005 7:25:41 PM CDT > To: NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIEDERSACHSEN] Main cities in Niedersachsen > Once in a while, you might get lucky > and match a person's birth date up with a person who who was > researched by > someone else, but this is rare. (I have been able to do this for two > people > (out of 55,000) in my database.) > > I wish you luck. > > Fred Buck > Cincinnati, Ohio > > ______________________________

Can you refer me to whomever is doing this indexing? On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:00 AM, NIEDERSACHSEN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > From: "Fred Buck" <fredbuck@sprynet.com> > Date: October 19, 2005 7:25:41 PM CDT > To: NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIEDERSACHSEN] Main cities in Niedersachsen > > There is an effort underway to index one of the Hanover > censuses from the mid-1800's, but this will take many years

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hasemeier, Hasemeyer, Haesemeier, Rieke Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/4011 Message Board Post: Would be very interested in any information on this family. One of my great-grandmothers was Dora Sophia Hasemeier, who I believe was born in Holtorf, near Nienburg, in the 1840s. (Although I know there are also Hasemeiers from the areas around Osnabruck.) Her father was Friedrich Heinrich and her mother's name was Henrietta. Dora Sophia had at least four sisters, and married Friedrich Rieke. In the U.S. they settled first in Wisconsin and then in Minnesota. If this matches any information you have, I'd love to hear from you.