This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/4019.2.1 Message Board Post: Thank You Bill. If you don't have a copy of the Ship Record for Andrais & Hulda when they came to America. You can go to castlegarden.org.. This is pre Ellis Island. Andreas Wahldick Laborer 27 M 1 Dec 1879 Germany General Werder . Hulda Wahldick Farmer 34 F 1 Dec 1879 Germany General Werder. Make sure you put in Wahld* as a search. Click on highlighted name. Would briefly explain the Aunt & Uncle to EDEL. Regards, Shanna

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/4126 Message Board Post: hello ! you search a member of tappenbeck ? i may can help you because i have more then 1400 persons in my archive an i search for all tappenbeck's around the world in my hobby. on the otherside i write a tappenbeck-chronik - have a look on my german website www.tappenbeck.net. regards Jan :-)

Hello, Your question is interesting. Here is an interesting article on the subject if you scroll down a bit. to the section on the 19th century at: How German Is American? http://mki.wisc.edu/HGIA/Settling.htm It also mentions some interesting things about the connections between Germany and Native Americans in the 20th century. I went to see a beautiful singer in Tokyo who is Navajo and German-descent, Sharon Burch. My great-uncle, from the Neumark area set out to homestead in western Nebraska in the 1880's and wrote about meeting some Native Americans or "Indians" there. They were free and curious having come to the camp around midnight. In the morning, the future homesteaders found they were without horses and their cow. Later, they walked and found a Caucasian man with a native wife who had kindly corralled the horses and cow and returned them so all worked out . He was not much more than 20 and I am sure he was not prepared for that before coming. He did not write about other encounters but no doubt had some. Good question. I hope some more details come. Amy Uehara ----- Original Message ----- From: <gojogo331@hotmail.com> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:11 AM Subject: pre immigration Germany... knowledge of native American Indians > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: meyer > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/4125 > > Message Board Post: > > > > What did the immigrants know about Indians before they came. Anything > written about such a subject. word of mouth... > thanks > so they would know not to go off by themselves........ > Just wondering if they were well informed. When my Meyer were in Gohrde > area they were well instructed about woods survival, but they never > encountered the Indian uprising problems. > > ______________________________

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/4125.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Jo....in that time frame, I imagine it would have been word of mouth and newspapers....immigrants east of the Mississippi probably didn't have much problem, the Indians having been pretty much subdued/died out by then. Maybe still a problem in Western NY/Canada, but the French and Indian war was long over by then. Out west (I live in New Mexico), the Indian Wars went on into the late 1800s. The German author, Karl May, started publishing his books about Old Shatterhand, et al, in the late 1800's, so anyone going out West could learn something from them. As you may know, today's Germans have a fascination with the "Wild West", complete with theme parks and carnival costumes.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/4125.1.1.1 Message Board Post: People wrote home to Germany and there were Germans who wrote articles in the papers to get others to leave Germany. Sometimes they weren't terribly honest about the bad things just about the good things. The Indians were mostly gone from the midwest by the 1830's. I don't know about Canada. Look on the internet for diaries from that era.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: meyer Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/4125.1.1 Message Board Post: Well I would think1850's or 1860's. naturally word of mouth and newspapers? Perhaps if someone was in canada and worked his way south. Indians in canada? The new country would warn them I suppose.... Just wondering if it was mentioned and how in germany. If anyone has seen anything in print.....

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LOBENSTEIN Classification: Immigration Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/1106.1.1.1 Message Board Post: As I indicated in my post, I have no further info. You might try searching the newspaper transcriptions at URL: <http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/index.php > and/or posting a query to the Calvaras county, California, USA Rootsweb page to see if there is anyone in that community who is related or knows of other sources. Vern D

Probably the best book written on the subject of immigrant/native relations and the immigrant experience as pioneer farmers in the Nebraska area c 1880 was written by Ole Rolvaag and is titled "Giants in the Earth." It's about Norwegians but the experiences are the same as for Germans. It doesn't gloss over anything but does present a surprisingly balanced (for the time) account. Reading it will increase your respect for both groups and might even change you a little. All the best. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy and Seiji Uehara" <mars47@pisces.interq.or.jp> To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 6:05 AM Subject: [NIEDERSACHSEN] Re: pre immigration germany... knowledge of native american Indians > Hello, > Your question is interesting. Here is an interesting article on the > subject if you scroll down a bit. to the section on the 19th century at: > How German Is American? > > http://mki.wisc.edu/HGIA/Settling.htm > > It also mentions some interesting things about the connections between > Germany and Native Americans in the 20th century. I went to see a beautiful > singer in Tokyo who is Navajo and German-descent, Sharon Burch. > My great-uncle, from the Neumark area set out to homestead in western > Nebraska in the 1880's and wrote about meeting some Native Americans or > "Indians" there. They were free and curious having come to the camp around > midnight. In the morning, the future homesteaders found they were without > horses and their cow. > Later, they walked and found a Caucasian man with a native wife who had > kindly corralled the horses and cow and returned them so all worked out > . He was not much more than 20 and I am sure he was not prepared for that > before coming. > He did not write about other encounters but no doubt had some. > > Good question. I hope some more details come. > Amy Uehara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <gojogo331@hotmail.com> > To: <NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:11 AM > Subject: pre immigration Germany... knowledge of native American Indians > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > Surnames: meyer > > Classification: Query > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/4125 > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > > > > > What did the immigrants know about Indians before they came. Anything > > written about such a subject. word of mouth... > > thanks > > so they would know not to go off by themselves........ > > Just wondering if they were well informed. When my Meyer were in Gohrde > > area they were well instructed about woods survival, but they never > > encountered the Indian uprising problems. > > > > ______________________________ > > > > ==== NIEDERSACHSEN Mailing List ==== > NOTICE -- To answer messages from the MESSAGE BOARD you > must click on the link in the message. This will take > you to the MESSAGE BOARD and you can click POST REPLY > to answer. Your reply will be sent back to the list for > all to benefit. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/1106.1.1 Message Board Post: Vern I'm related to Lobenstein, my mother's maiden name. I'd be interested in what you have found. Guenter

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lobenstein Classification: Immigration Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/1106.1 Message Board Post: Am not related but may be of interest to someone who is. I have no further info. Vern D ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Transcribed by Dee Sardoch <deesar@frontiernet.net> To see more old newspapers, visit http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/index.php ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////// The San Andreas Independent San Andreas, Calaveras County, CA Saturday, 3 September 1859 ****************************** DISTRICT COURT -- -Admitted to full citizenship: .................. Emanuel LOBENSTEIN .............................

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Vahldick, Edel, Redel Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/4019.2 Message Board Post: Shanna, don't know if this helps, but Hulda and Andrias Vahldick were Aunt and Uncle of my grandparents Minnie Eva Redel and Andrias (Andrew)Henry Edel. She lived with them in 1920 as a widow age 78, after he passed away. Our Andrias Edel immigrated from Germany too. Also Minnie's parents from Alsace-Lorraine.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/4125.1 Message Board Post: Interesting question....what time frame are you talking about (17century? 20th?)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: meyer Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/4125 Message Board Post: What did the immigrants know about Indians before they came. Anything written about such a subject. word of mouth... thanks so they woulod know not to go off by themselves........ Just wondering if they were well informed. When my Meyer were in Gohrde area they were well instructed about woods survival, but they never encountered the Indian uprising problems.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/3950.1 Message Board Post: what are the names of the towns you are looking for? there is a parish in nordrhein- westfalen that is OBERKIRCHEN, by knowing the towns you are looking for i may know if it falls under this parish, if so oberkirchen has a daten base on line "ortsfamilien- datenbank oberkirchen" althought some of my ansectors are listed not all are, altought they were married there and had childern baptised there ,so it is not complete, and there is also a very active mailinglist for this area it is in german but many are able to read english and they are very helpful, hope this may be of some help. anna marie schmitz

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:47:39 EDT From: JulieOken@aol.com To: NIEDERSACHSEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Heinrich WESTENDORF 1803-1819 in Soegel In a message dated 8/15/2006 4:01:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, NIEDERSACHSEN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Hello list, I enjoyed the articles on St. Viktor's Church in Damme and tried to find the same for St. Jackobus in Soegel. This is the parish where my ancestors-the children of Heinrich WESTENDORF & Gertrud SANDKER-were baptized. They were born in the small village of Eisten just S. of Soegel in the years 1803-1819. I would enjoy any information on this Church or the city of Soegel. Thank you in advance. Jo Westendorf Banks Hi Jo, If you would type the town name "Soegel" into Google, you will come up with some great sites for the town. Also there is a site someone else has with a genealogy of their ancestor Heinrich WESTENDORF. Julie Response: Hi Julie, Funny what a little common sense can tell you. It never dawned on me to Google Soegel. I went there briefly & just the picture of Schloss Clemenswerth will be a wonderful addition to my Westendorf notebooks. I suspect the site you mean was either Barbara Salibi's Emslanders.com or Cathy LaBath's celtic cousins.com. Despite the name this site has a great deal on German families in Scott Co., Iowa & surrounding areas. Cathy is my cousin's daughter-in-law. She had the US research & I added what was found in Germany by the researcher Falk Liebezeit who searched the archives at Osnabrueck for me. Now you know how I will be spending my free time the rest of the week. Thanks so much for a nudge in the right direction. Jo Westendorf Banks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Koers/Kohrs Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZVC.2ACE/8.1081.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Hey Martin, I think we have spoken before! What info do you need and I'll send it to you and keep my fingers crossed that you can dig something up! You can mail me privately, if you want. Paula

In a message dated 8/15/2006 4:01:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, NIEDERSACHSEN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Hello list, I enjoyed the articles on St. Viktor's Church in Damme and tried to find the same for St. Jackobus in Soegel. This is the parish where my ancestors-the children of Heinrich WESTENDORF & Gertrud SANDKER-were baptized. They were born in the small village of Eisten just S. of Soegel in the years 1803-1819. I would enjoy any information on this Church or the city of Soegel. Thank you in advance. Jo Westendorf Banks Hi Jo, If you would type the town name "Soegel" into Google, you will come up with some great sites for the town. Also there is a site someone else has with a genealogy of their ancestor Heinrich WESTENDORF. Julie

Dear Listers, I have a question that I need answered. Recently, we discovered that my cousin's ancestors, Johann Heinrich HANSMEYER, his wife, Christiane MERKAMP/MEERKAMP and their one year old daughter arrived in New York on 30 May 1848 from Bremen on the Bark Mercury. Johann was a Farmer. Are there any other records available in Bremen, which might give a place of origin for this couple and their child besides the destroyed Passenger Lists? Thank you. Karla Nurnberg --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZVC.2ACE/8.1081.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Martn, This is Martin in Haskell, OK. It has been a while since I have been into my paperwork. I will get it out soon and respond with what I have. haskmojo "at" aol.com (at=@ in this case)