Greetings Don, Nice to hear from you, all is well and I continue to read the notes to several NL connected lists including yours, usually within a few days of the posting dates. No longer do I respond daily to all the lister remarks which may conflict with my personal point of view concerning Newfoundland history records dated before 1847. Recently I have reviewed some of my notes from several years ago and was reminded of the 'lasting' list contributions by list contributors like 'the late' Len Seymour. In this list below, I think that CLOWN's Cove is most likely a transcription error. ""COADY MICHAEL CLEARS COVE 1845 Fermeuse CROAK PATRICK CLOWNS COVE 1845 Fermeuse"" "CROKE" CROAK Newfoundland http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22CROAK%22+Croke+Newfoundland&yhdr_submit_button=Web+Search&fr=ush1-mail "CROKE" Croak COKE Newfoundland http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/bdm/bdmc.php Methinks that web links placed near obvious surname spelling errors, e.g. CODD / CODE / COADY, might help newbies with their own personal NL genealogy research.... especially those looking for a family relationship to characters like Richard BROTHERS....smile http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Richard+BROTHERS%22+Newfoundland&yhdr_submit_button=Web+Search&fr=ush1-mail 1921 CLARE'S Cove, Newfoundland http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22CLARE%27s+Cove%22+Newfoundland&yhdr_submit_button=Web+Search&fr=ush1-mail "County CLEAR" Ireland *** http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22County+CLEAR%22+Ireland&yhdr_submit_button=Web+Search&fr=ush1-mail Sincerely, Lloyd &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Fermeuse Voting List - 1845 AYLWARD JOHN ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse BUTLER EDMUND BLACKSMITH 1845 Fermeuse BRENNOCK RICHARD BLOW ME DOWN 1845 Fermeuse BROTHERS JAMES ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse BROTHERS ROBERT ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse BROTHERS JOHN ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse BRIEN RICHARD BLACKSMITH 1845 Fermeuse http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Richard+BROTHERS%22+Newfoundland&yhdr_submit_button=Web+Search&fr=ush1-mail COADY JAMES ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse COADY RICHARD ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse COADY THOMAS ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse COADY JOHN ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse COADY MICHAEL CLEARS COVE 1845 Fermeuse http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu7omqSJGrxMAAbFXNyoA?p=%22COADY%22++family+Newfoundland+history&ei=UTF-8&fr=ush1-mail&x=wrt CROAK PATRICK CLOWNS COVE 1845 Fermeuse CODD ROBERT ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse DOOLING MAURICE SO SIDE 1845 Fermeuse DOLLARD PHILIP RIVERHEAD 1845 Fermeuse DUGGAN JAMES ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& WIP #2....1642-1646-1653....'CROMWELL"...Surnames involved with "JUDGEMENT DAY for IRELAND" Subject: 1000AD to abt. 1612 AD....Giraldus Cambrensis and "the day of Judgement" for Ireland NL Surnames: ADDY ASHE BARRE TT CHILDE DAWE s DRAKE LAMB NEWMAN ROACH ROCHE ROSWELL SMITH SWAN etc. etc. including ancestors of Brother XII b.June 25th, 1878. http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Giraldus+Cambrensis%22&fr=ush1-mail NAMES OF THE CROMWELLIAN ADVENTURERS FOR LAND IN IRELAND 5l.jpg (3284 bytes) In Prendergast's Cromwellian Settlement of Ireland, under the heading "Scheme for a Last and Permanent Conquest of Ireland, through a Society of Adventurers, he says: " According to the scheme of the Parliament for suppressing the Irish Rebellion (of 1641), 2,500,000 acres of Irish lands, to be forfeited, were offered as security to those who should advance moneys toward raising and paying a private army for subduing the rebels In Ireland. The moneys, instead of being paid into the King's exchequer, were to be paid to a committee, composed half of members of the House of Commons and half of subscribers to this joint fund, who were to nominate the general and the officers, the King having nothing to say to the force but to sign the officers' commissions. All the Irish saw that this army of Adventurers were coming, like the first invaders under Strongbow, to conquer estates for themselves and their employers, and therefore could not but oppose them for the sake of their wives and children, who must be deprived of their homes. They must therefore fight against England thus represented, and the King (Charles I.) be deprived of their aid. The King objected to the Act: It took away from him the power of pardoning the Irish; and he suggested that it must only render them desperate, which in truth was the very purpose of the Parliament, but he dared not refuse his assent. The measure was received in England as a triumph over the king and the Irish. The subscribers, or Adventurers as they were called, were to have estates and manors of one thousand acres given to them in Ireland at the following low rates: In Ulster for 200 pounds, in Connaught for 300, in Munster, for 100, and in Leinster for 600, and lands proportionately for less sums. The rates by the acre were four shillings is Ulster, six shillings in Connaught, eight shillings in Munster, and twelve shillings in Leinster. If this plan were carried out, it was to put an end for ever, according to Sir John Bulstrode Whitelock, the Speaker off the House of Commons to that long and bloody conflict foretold (with so much truth) by Giraldus Cambrensis . . . The work of Queen Elizabeth and James the First, it was said, would now be perfected. The Irish would now be rooted out by a new and overwhelming plantation of English: another England would speedily be found in Ireland; And that prophecy (by Giraldus Cambrensis), as old as the invasion, be proved false, that Ireland will not be conquered till just before the Day of Judgment." As it was not until the 27th of September, 1653, that the Parliament were enabled to declare the Rebellion in Ireland subdued, and the war appeased and ended, it was only then that preparations were made for setting out lands in that country, in satisfaction of each Adventurer's subscription. Eleven years, however, had then elapsed since the first Act of Subscription in 1642, and some of the Adventurers were no doubt dead, while others of them had sold or assigned their Adventures; but each such Adventurer, or his or her Assignee, received lands in Ireland, equivalent in each case to the paid-up subscription. It may be observed that some of the Adventurers were Irish, living in England, and some of them living in Ireland. The name and address of each Adventurer is in Prendergast book; Cromwellian Settlement of Ireland 2nd edition published Dublin, 1922. http://aleph.haifa.ac.il/F/?func=find-b&find_code=SYS&request=1010947 Surnames of the Adventurers for Lands in Ireland, under the various Acts and Ordinances of Subscription; commencing with the Act of 17 Charles I. chap. 33, A.D.1642, and ending in 1646; When all further subscription ceased: TOP 5l.jpg (3284 bytes) Adams Addys Ailster Ailston Alcock Alcocke ALEXANDER Alford / OLDFORD Allen Allenson Allot Allured Almery Almond Ames Amyos Anderson ANDREWS Anthony Archebold / ARCHIBALD Arkins Armine Arnold Arrundell ASH Ashe Ashley Ashton Ashurst Ashwell Atkins Aunsley Ausley Austin Austrey Ayres Ayscough "B" Babb Babbington Babington Baily Bainford Baker Ballam Ballard Bancks Banister Banks Barber Barefoot Bareton Barg Barker Barnaby Barnard Barnardiston Barnes Barrett Barrington Barton Barwicke Bassett Bate Bateman Bayley Baynton Bayntun Bdolph Beale Beamont Beard Beardolfe Beardolph Beck Bedingfeild Bedingfield Beighton Belfeild Bell Bellers Bence Bendigo Bendish Bentley Bernard Best Betsworth Bewley Biddolph Bidle Bigg Biggs Birch Bird Birkenhead Bisby BISHOP Bishopp Biskoe Blackborrow Blacke Blackwell Blagne Blake Blakiston Blande Blate Blatt Blunsdon Boate Boggest Boggeste BOND Bone [BOONE??] Bonner Bonnvyn Booke Bosfield Bosville Botterill Boughton Boulton Bourcher [BUTCHER??] Box Boyce Boynton Boyse BRADLEY BRADSHAW Braket Branckstead Brand Breakeing Brenley Brentley Brereton BRETT Brewer Brewster Brice Brickdell Bridges Briggs Bright Brightwell Brimley Brinley Briscoe Brocket Bromwich Brooke Broomer Broughton Brouker BROWNE Brunskell Bruster Bryfield Buckland Buller Bunce Burcott Burgess Burgis Burlace Burroughs Button Bye Bynce "C" Cacott Cage Campbell Camphield Cannockt Canting Carpenter Carri2ll CARTER Carwithen Castle Catlin Caulier Chamberlain Chambers Chandler Chaveney Chaveny CHENEY Cheny Cheswick Chewning CHILDE Chillingworth Clapham Clapp CLARE ...........etc. etc. etc. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:00:53 -0400 From: Don Tate <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] 1845 Newfoundland....CLEAR's Cove, CLARE's Cove or CLOWNS Cove??......same place, three different names?? To: [email protected] Good evening Lloyd How are things with you these days? Had not heard from you in a while and was wondering what you were doing these days. Took a look at the page you referenced "Vote03.html" I could not find any reference to a Clare's Cove. What name did you see it showing for and I will take another look. I might have just missed it. Clear's Cove should be OK as is As to Clown's Cove, I would not be surprised if this is not a reference to the Clown's Cove that is located in the Carbonear District. According to the reference I found, it is found at 47-46 North and 53-11 West. Let me know what you see and which entry(s) you are looking at and I will gladly help you check things out further, although I do not have copies of the original 1840 - 1859 listings. I think I do have the 1928 original listing but even that one I don't think I have all of it. Don Lloyd Rowsell wrote: > http://ngb.chebucto.org/V1928/vote03.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Don, The Swan to whom you refer, could very well be Swain(e), Irish or Devon. I think Irish might be correct. My Great Great Grandfather is supposed to have come from the Ulster County to NL., in the early 1800s, to teach school at Perry's Cove, Carbonear. His date of birth is suggested to be 1797. I am trying to obtain as much info as possible on him. By-the-way, there is a Clown's Cove near Carbonear. I have been there on several occasions. H.Swain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Rowsell" <[email protected]> To: "Don Tate" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:29 PM Subject: [NFLD-LAB] 1492-1892....Spelling variations of NL words and NLsir-names expressed with old world accents......andtranscription spelling errors.... > > Greetings Don, > > Nice to hear from you, all is well and I continue to read the > notes to several NL connected lists including yours, usually > within a few days of the posting dates. > > No longer do I respond daily to all the lister remarks which may > conflict with my personal point of view concerning Newfoundland > history records dated before 1847. > > Recently I have reviewed some of my notes from several years ago > and was reminded of the 'lasting' list contributions by list > contributors like 'the late' Len Seymour. > > In this list below, I think that CLOWN's Cove is most likely a > transcription error. > > ""COADY MICHAEL CLEARS COVE 1845 Fermeuse > CROAK PATRICK CLOWNS COVE 1845 Fermeuse"" > > "CROKE" CROAK Newfoundland > http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22CROAK%22+Croke+Newfoundland&yhdr_submit_button=Web+Search&fr=ush1-mail > > "CROKE" Croak COKE Newfoundland > http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/bdm/bdmc.php > > Methinks that web links placed near obvious surname spelling > errors, e.g. CODD / CODE / COADY, might help newbies with their > own personal NL genealogy research.... > especially those looking for a family relationship to characters > like Richard BROTHERS....smile > http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Richard+BROTHERS%22+Newfoundland&yhdr_submit_button=Web+Search&fr=ush1-mail > > 1921 CLARE'S Cove, Newfoundland > http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22CLARE%27s+Cove%22+Newfoundland&yhdr_submit_button=Web+Search&fr=ush1-mail > > "County CLEAR" Ireland *** > > http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22County+CLEAR%22+Ireland&yhdr_submit_button=Web+Search&fr=ush1-mail > > Sincerely, Lloyd > > &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& > > > Fermeuse Voting List - 1845 > > AYLWARD JOHN ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse > BUTLER EDMUND BLACKSMITH 1845 Fermeuse > BRENNOCK RICHARD BLOW ME DOWN 1845 Fermeuse > BROTHERS JAMES ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse > BROTHERS ROBERT ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse > BROTHERS JOHN ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse > BRIEN RICHARD BLACKSMITH 1845 Fermeuse > http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Richard+BROTHERS%22+Newfoundland&yhdr_submit_button=Web+Search&fr=ush1-mail > COADY JAMES ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse > COADY RICHARD ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse > COADY THOMAS ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse > COADY JOHN ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse > COADY MICHAEL CLEARS COVE 1845 Fermeuse > http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu7omqSJGrxMAAbFXNyoA?p=%22COADY%22++family+Newfoundland+history&ei=UTF-8&fr=ush1-mail&x=wrt > CROAK PATRICK CLOWNS COVE 1845 Fermeuse > CODD ROBERT ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse > DOOLING MAURICE SO SIDE 1845 Fermeuse > DOLLARD PHILIP RIVERHEAD 1845 Fermeuse > DUGGAN JAMES ADMIRALS COVE 1845 Fermeuse > > &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& > WIP #2....1642-1646-1653....'CROMWELL"...Surnames involved with > "JUDGEMENT DAY for IRELAND" > Subject: 1000AD to abt. 1612 AD....Giraldus Cambrensis and "the > day of Judgement" for Ireland > > > > NL Surnames: > ADDY > ASHE > BARRE TT > CHILDE > DAWE s > DRAKE > LAMB > NEWMAN > ROACH > ROCHE > ROSWELL > SMITH > SWAN > etc. etc. including ancestors of Brother XII b.June 25th, 1878. > > > http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Giraldus+Cambrensis%22&fr=ush1-mail > > NAMES OF THE CROMWELLIAN ADVENTURERS > FOR LAND IN IRELAND > > 5l.jpg (3284 bytes) > > In Prendergast's Cromwellian Settlement of Ireland, under the > heading "Scheme for a Last and Permanent Conquest of Ireland, > through a Society of Adventurers, he says: > > " According to the scheme of the Parliament for suppressing the > Irish Rebellion (of 1641), 2,500,000 acres of Irish lands, to be > forfeited, were offered as security to those who should advance > moneys toward raising and paying a private army for subduing the > rebels In Ireland. > > The moneys, instead of being paid into the King's exchequer, were > to be paid to a committee, composed half of members of the House > of Commons and half of subscribers to this joint fund, who were to > nominate the general and the officers, the King having nothing to > say to the force but to sign the officers' commissions. > > All the Irish saw that this army of Adventurers were coming, like > the first invaders under Strongbow, to conquer estates for > themselves and their employers, and therefore could not but oppose > them for the sake of their wives and children, who must be > deprived of their homes. > > They must therefore fight against England thus > represented, and the King (Charles I.) be deprived of their aid. > > > The King objected to the Act: It took away from him the power of > pardoning the Irish; and he suggested that it must only render > them desperate, which in truth was the very purpose of the > Parliament, but he dared not refuse his assent. > > The measure was received in England as a triumph over the king and > the Irish. > > The subscribers, or Adventurers as they were called, > were to have estates and manors of one thousand acres given to > them in Ireland at the following low rates: > > In Ulster for 200 pounds, > > in Connaught for 300, > > in Munster, for 100, and > > in Leinster for 600, and lands proportionately for less sums. > > The rates by the acre were > > four shillings is Ulster, > > six shillings in Connaught, > > eight shillings in Munster, and > > twelve shillings in Leinster. > > If this plan were carried out, it was to put an end for ever, > according to Sir John Bulstrode Whitelock, the Speaker off the > House of Commons to that long and bloody conflict foretold (with > so much truth) by Giraldus Cambrensis . . . > > The work of Queen Elizabeth and James the First, it was said, > would now be perfected. > > The Irish would now be rooted out by a new and overwhelming > plantation of English: > > another England would speedily be found in Ireland; And that > prophecy (by Giraldus Cambrensis), as old as the invasion, be > proved false, that Ireland will not be conquered till just before > the Day of Judgment." > > As it was not until the 27th of September, 1653, that the > Parliament were enabled to declare the Rebellion in Ireland > subdued, and the war appeased and ended, it was only then that > preparations were made for setting out lands in that country, in > satisfaction of each Adventurer's subscription. > > Eleven years, however, had then elapsed since the first Act of > Subscription in 1642, and some of the Adventurers were no doubt > dead, while others of them had sold or assigned their Adventures; > but each such Adventurer, or his or her Assignee, received lands > in Ireland, equivalent in each case to the paid-up subscription. > > It may be observed that some of the Adventurers were Irish, living > in England, and some of them living in Ireland. > > The name and address of each Adventurer is in Prendergast book; > Cromwellian Settlement of Ireland 2nd edition published Dublin, > 1922. > http://aleph.haifa.ac.il/F/?func=find-b&find_code=SYS&request=1010947 > > Surnames of the Adventurers for Lands in Ireland, under the > various Acts and Ordinances of Subscription; commencing with the > Act of 17 Charles I. chap. 33, A.D.1642, and ending in 1646; When > all further subscription ceased: > > > > TOP > > 5l.jpg (3284 bytes) > > > Adams > Addys > Ailster > Ailston > Alcock > Alcocke > ALEXANDER > Alford / OLDFORD > Allen > Allenson > Allot > Allured > Almery > Almond > Ames > Amyos > Anderson > ANDREWS > Anthony > Archebold / ARCHIBALD > Arkins > Armine > Arnold > Arrundell > ASH > Ashe > Ashley > Ashton > Ashurst > Ashwell > Atkins > Aunsley > Ausley > Austin > Austrey > Ayres > Ayscough > > "B" > Babb > Babbington > Babington > Baily > Bainford > Baker > Ballam > Ballard > Bancks > Banister > Banks > Barber > Barefoot > Bareton > Barg > Barker > Barnaby > Barnard > Barnardiston > Barnes > Barrett > Barrington > Barton > Barwicke > Bassett > Bate > Bateman > Bayley > Baynton > Bayntun > Bdolph > Beale > Beamont > Beard > Beardolfe > Beardolph > Beck > Bedingfeild > Bedingfield > Beighton > Belfeild > Bell > Bellers > Bence > Bendigo > Bendish > Bentley > Bernard > Best > Betsworth > Bewley > Biddolph > Bidle > Bigg > Biggs > Birch > Bird > Birkenhead > Bisby > BISHOP > Bishopp > Biskoe > Blackborrow > Blacke > Blackwell > Blagne > Blake > Blakiston > Blande > Blate > Blatt > Blunsdon > Boate > Boggest > Boggeste > BOND > Bone [BOONE??] > Bonner > Bonnvyn > Booke > Bosfield > Bosville > Botterill > Boughton > Boulton > Bourcher [BUTCHER??] > Box > Boyce > Boynton > Boyse > BRADLEY > BRADSHAW > Braket > Branckstead > Brand > Breakeing > Brenley > Brentley > Brereton > BRETT > Brewer > Brewster > Brice > Brickdell > Bridges > Briggs > Bright > Brightwell > Brimley > Brinley > Briscoe > Brocket > Bromwich > Brooke > Broomer > Broughton > Brouker > BROWNE > Brunskell > Bruster > Bryfield > Buckland > Buller > Bunce > Burcott > Burgess > Burgis > Burlace > Burroughs > Button > Bye > Bynce > > "C" > Cacott > Cage > Campbell > Camphield > Cannockt > Canting > Carpenter > Carri2ll > CARTER > Carwithen > Castle > Catlin > Caulier > Chamberlain > Chambers > Chandler > Chaveney > Chaveny > CHENEY > Cheny > Cheswick > Chewning > CHILDE > Chillingworth > Clapham > Clapp > CLARE > > ...........etc. etc. etc. > > > > &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& > > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:00:53 -0400 > From: Don Tate <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] 1845 Newfoundland....CLEAR's Cove, CLARE's > Cove or CLOWNS Cove??......same place, three different names?? > To: [email protected] > > Good evening Lloyd > > How are things with you these days? Had not heard from you in a > while > and was wondering what you were doing these days. > > Took a look at the page you referenced "Vote03.html" > > I could not find any reference to a Clare's Cove. What name did > you see > it showing for and I will take another look. I might have just > missed it. > > Clear's Cove should be OK as is > > As to Clown's Cove, I would not be surprised if this is not a > reference > to the Clown's Cove that is located in the Carbonear District. > According > to the reference I found, it is found at 47-46 North and 53-11 > West. > > Let me know what you see and which entry(s) you are looking at and > > I > will gladly help you check things out further, although I do not > have > copies of the original 1840 - 1859 listings. I think I do have the > > 1928 > original listing but even that one I don't think I have all of it. > > Don > > > > Lloyd Rowsell wrote: > >> http://ngb.chebucto.org/V1928/vote03.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.27/671 - Release Date: 2/5/2007 > 4:48 PM >