HI Carol Harbor Grace is a hungry place and so is Carbonear LOL Now if Go around the Bay as we say>> You leave st john's and go west to the TCH >>>>>>>>>> First is Bay Roberts about 45 minutes>>>>>>>>>> next>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harbor Grace>>>>>>> add 30 minutes............ Carbonear is a hop skip and a jump from there Hope this helps Go there>>>>>>>>>>>> like no place else regards George Fred