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    1. [NFLD-LAB] Lost fishermen
    2. Bren & Bessie Doyle
    3. I came across this in some school notes that I had written down years ago as told to me by an older colleague. It came from an early Newfoundland newspaper. It said that the ship HINDU from Bremen en route to New York had come across the bodies of four men in an open boat. The article said that they may have been those of four men who had drifted off from the Bay de Verde area earlier in the year. Has anyone ever come across this article in any paper? I would be interested in finding out the names of the men and any other details there may be. Brendan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/03

    10/07/2003 09:49:48
    1. [NFLD-LAB] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - OBIT BAN
    2. Matt Mullaly
    3. Have you listers heard about the OBIT ban just announced? As of now, not only is it forbidden to REPOST published obits ( that means you Evelyn, and Ivy and Bill) but it's also verboten to even READ them in the first place. The purpose of the ban is to protect the privacy of the deceased as well as their family.This makes a lot of sense to me as they're the ones who pay for the publication of the obits in the first place. Assuming that there's always people out there who don't have proper respect for the dead and who would perhaps cheat on this ban and read the published obits anyway I gather that there's a move afoot to publish future obits in an encrypted format. That would preclude anyone not having the decryption key from reading these death announcements. Such decoding keys would only be held by the immediate family, the RCMP, CSIS and certain chartered banks. So a warning to listowners Sue and Vera: If you don't want to offend the sensibilities of these folks and perhaps even incur their wrath in the form of a lawsuit, I'd suggest that you institute a rule forbidding the mention of any specific person (living or dead) on the lists - starting immediately. I appreciate that this would perhaps somewhat limit the value of the lists but perhaps this could be compensated for by more emphasis on living people. And names are not really necessary. For example, genealogy software companies, well known for being ahead of their time, must have been aware of the possibility of this ban because, in the past few years, I've been sent genealogy files by various people with portions that look like this: DESCENDANTS OF JOHN SMITH 1 - John SMITH b: 1900 d: 1980 + Mary JONES b: 1905 d: 1990 2 - Living + Living 3 - Living + Living Just think how simple it will be when whole trees look like this with no mention of people's names or relevant dates or places at all. That'll make future research a snap. I can hardly wait. Regards to all. Matt (whooooops!) Change that to: Living

    10/07/2003 09:31:29
    1. Re: [NFLD-LAB] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - OBIT BAN
    2. Vince Hunter
    3. Now lets not get too ridiculous here. Anything written in a newspaper is there for public consumption and in the case of obituaries, is often submitted by the relatives of the deceased. If they don't want this information made public, they have only to omit that information in their submission to the newspaper. Vince -------Original Message------- From: Evelyn Date: October 07, 2003 02:00:53 PM To: NFLD-LAB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - OBIT BAN Hi Matt; Thank you for the kind warning!! as for my contributions of the "Obituaries & Birth Announcements", I DO have permission to post these, whether "The Telegram" asked the persons {living relatives} I can only assume that they would likewise obtain their consent. I can stop contributing these postings, not a problem at all for me!!, very strange indeed that I did not receive a warning from the Editor of the newspaper or a telephone call, as they do have my info. If this is the wish of the "List Owners" and other listers, not to post these topics any longer, feel free in contacting me. In any case, since this topic has gotten so overly heated, I would rather not hurt any lister's feelings and will with-hold any further postings of "Obits,. Birth Announcements" or any other topic. Have A Nice Evening Evelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Mullaly" <2matt@rogers.com> To: <NFLD-LAB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 5:01 PM Subject: [NFLD-LAB] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - OBIT BAN > > Have you listers heard about the OBIT ban just announced? > > As of now, not only is it forbidden to REPOST published obits ( that means > you Evelyn, and Ivy and Bill) but it's also verboten to even READ them in > the first place. > > The purpose of the ban is to protect the privacy of the deceased as well as > their family.This makes a lot of sense to me as they're the ones who pay for > the publication of the obits in the first place. > > Assuming that there's always people out there who don't have proper > respect for the dead and who would perhaps cheat on this ban and read the > published obits anyway I gather that there's a move afoot to publish future > obits in an encrypted format. That would preclude anyone not having the > decryption key from reading these death announcements. Such decoding keys > would only be held by the immediate family, the RCMP, CSIS and certain > chartered banks. > > So a warning to listowners Sue and Vera: If you don't want to offend the > sensibilities of these folks and perhaps even incur their wrath in the form > of a lawsuit, I'd suggest that you institute a rule forbidding the mention > of any specific person (living or dead) on the lists - starting > immediately. > > I appreciate that this would perhaps somewhat limit the value of the lists > but perhaps this could be compensated for by more emphasis on living people. > And names are not really necessary. > > For example, genealogy software companies, well known for being ahead of > their time, must have been aware of the possibility of this ban because, in > the past few years, I've been sent genealogy files by various people with > portions that look like this: > > > DESCENDANTS OF JOHN SMITH > > > 1 - John SMITH b: 1900 d: 1980 > + Mary JONES b: 1905 d: 1990 > > 2 - Living > + Living > > 3 - Living > + Living > > Just think how simple it will be when whole trees look like this with no > mention of people's names or relevant dates or places at all. That'll make > future research a snap. I can hardly wait. > > Regards to all. > > Matt > > (whooooops!) > > Change that to: > > Living > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== NFLD-LAB Mailing List ==== > Roll Call Page for Nfld-Lab Mail List: > http://amoose4.tripod.com/ > > ==== NFLD-LAB Mailing List ==== Message Boards For All Areas of Newfoundland http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.canada newfoundland .

    10/07/2003 08:51:44
    1. [NFLD-LAB] 1863-1943...Mr. Henry BOWERING, aka "Uncle Harry"...and 'Folklore' about a storm of Oct. 1885
    2. Lloyd Rowsell
    3. Here are excerpts from the 1943 obituary of Henry Bowering printed on Feb. 20, 1943 in the Bay Roberts Guardian.....He was 22 years old when the Coley's Point Disaster occured at Black Island Labrador on October 10-12, 1885 "There passed peacefully away on January 19th at the home of his daughter, Mrs. Gilbert Mercer, of Mercer's Cove, an old and respected resident of Coley's Point, in the person of Henry Bowering, at the ripe old age of 80 years. Uncle Harry, as he was better known in the community, was born at Coley's Point, the son of the late Richard and Mary Bowering. When quite a young man he went to the Labrador fishery, serving many years with different skippers in the Summer, and also went to the ice fields in the Spring. Then he started out for himself, building a fishing room at Black Island, near Grady, Labrador. For quite a number of years he was looked upon as one of the most successful fisherman of that place, which seems to place to his credit good judgement and a hard worker. When only a young man he went to Notre Dame Bay, somewhere in the vicinity of Exploits, and there he spent some time working at schooner building, from which he gathered some good ideas about that particular business, which in following years proved to be of great benefit to different schooner owners in Bay Roberts as well as to others whom he employed to help with the work. Many winters in succession he was engaged in repairing some old schooners, and so it was that whenever a man had a schooner to repair he would always try and get Uncle Harry to look after the job, feeling confident that he would get a good job done. Uncle Harry was always noted for his wit and humor and whenever he was met by the neighbours around him, they mostly expected to be greeted with some quaint and humorous saying. Early in life he started to live a Christian life and thus endeavored to serve his God to the best of his ability, and it will long be remembered at Black Island in the old salt store where a crowd of humble fishermen would gather on Sunday after a hard weeks toil to listen to Uncle Harry as he led service..........He leaves to mourn besides a large circle of friends, one son, Malcolm, now residing at Bay Roberts; one daughter, Sophie, (Mrs. Gilbert Mercer) at Mercer's Cove and four grand-children, Nathan Bowering, UC Probationer, now serving on the Sound Island Mission; Susie Bowering at the Memorial College, St. John's, and Wallace and Mabel Bowering at Coley's Point. He was laid to rest on Jan. 22 in the family plot in the UC cemetery, Coley's Point. The funeral procession was attended by members of the LOA of which he was one of the oldest members of Coley's Point Lodge......" from the Chronicle of Canada, page 426...October 12, 1885 LABRADOR --A fierce gale swept the coast today, and there are reports that dozens of vessels, vast quantities of saltfish and, worst of all, more than 300 lives were lost. Families come to this coast every summer from Conception Bay in Newfoundland. At the end of the fishing season, they leave their bleak and exposed fishing stations and return home for the winter. The storm struck when the last of the crews were preparing to leave. A similar storm occured in 1866. Note by lghr: I wonder if the writer for Chronicle of Canada found a credible source for the number of lives lost in this disaster. An interesting part of the 1977 taped words of Mr. Robert Henry Daw b. Oct.9, 1885 was his account of this tragic event that occured quote:"the day after I was born". When discussing his knowledge of the 'Folklore' surrounding this incident, he mentioned the only loss of life as being the grandfather and his baby grandchild named Morgan. He also mentioned that the 'Excell' could have been saved if the captain had 'run her ashore' on the beach like Capt. Dawe did with his schooner. The 'old skipper Isaac Morgan' owner of the schooner did not allow his son the Capt. to 'run the Excell ashore' because he was fearful of not collecting insurance unless 'she was beat up on the rocks'. ===== 1784...a quote from page 129 of the 1938 book titled �The Story of Newfoundland� by J.A. Cochrane, B. Sc. ..(Authorized by the Department of Education for use in the schools of Newfoundland)..... �Owing to the attitude taken by some of the governors there had sprung up a very regrettable sectarian rivalry and even hatred in many parts of the country. It will serve no good purpose to tell the story of the origin of the quarrels, but the year 1784 must be noted as the beginning of better things. In that year the Governor issued a proclamation which allowed all persons to worship as they pleased.� end quote (lghr note: This textbook was used from 1939 to abt. 1957 and had a deep impact on the minds of those children who had a 'middle school' interest in NL History) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

    10/07/2003 08:38:11
    1. [NFLD-LAB] Rants, Dogberries, Headstones, Grave Markers and What's in a name?
    2. Lloyd Rowsell
    3. First may I compliment Jim Roache/Roach/Roche for a 'first class' rant about grave stones and cement aries. During a recent vist to our backyard in BC by a cousin from CB NL we discussed the beautiful tree which was loaded with large red berries and agreed that in NL this type of tree is named a 'Dogberry Tree' the same tree in BC is named a 'Mountain Ash'. After reading about the comming 'long cold winter' we have filled our oil tank and stocked the fireplace wood supply. Next week we will start on the "Mountain Ash Berry Jam and Wine" Smiles and Cheers, Lloyd Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:07:55 -0400 From: "Jim Roache" <jfroache@sympatico.ca> To: NFLD-LAB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] No more headstone photos????? ===== 1784...a quote from page 129 of the 1938 book titled �The Story of Newfoundland� by J.A. Cochrane, B. Sc. ..(Authorized by the Department of Education for use in the schools of Newfoundland)..... �Owing to the attitude taken by some of the governors there had sprung up a very regrettable sectarian rivalry and even hatred in many parts of the country. It will serve no good purpose to tell the story of the origin of the quarrels, but the year 1784 must be noted as the beginning of better things. In that year the Governor issued a proclamation which allowed all persons to worship as they pleased.� end quote (lghr note: This textbook was used from 1939 to abt. 1957 and had a deep impact on the minds of those children who had a 'middle school' interest in NL History) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

    10/07/2003 04:56:05
    1. [NFLD-LAB] Nfld. Dogberry lore
    2. Matt Mullaly
    3. FROM TODAY'S TELEGRAM: Red all over 10/7/03 By DANETTE DOOLEY, Special to The Telegram “Can you believe this weather? Sure, I haven’t seen the likes of this in all my 80 years,” one gentleman said to another in the grocery lineup last week. “No b’y, but we’re going to pay for this by-me-bye, you can mark that down. The trees are just peppered with dogberries this year,” the other man replied. According to Newfoundland folklore, plentiful dogberries in the fall are a sign of a hard winter. And did you ever wonder why there are so many dogberry trees in Newfoundland? Information posted on the Upper Gullies elementary school website says early Scottish and Irish settlers believed that the dogberry or rowan tree would keep the witches out of their garden. While such information may merely be an urban legend, In Wild Flowers of Newfoundland (1935), Agnes Marion Miller Ayre writes that the mountain ash or dogberry tree was held in great esteem by the Beothuks, aboriginal inhabitants of Newfoundland. The dogberry tree is favoured as a decorative tree in yards and parks because of its bright orange-red berries. It also flourishes in open woods, rocky hillsides, forested areas and among moist thickets. Bitter to the taste, the dogberry fruit is round and berry-like. It is red to orange in colour and about one-half to one centimetre in diameter. Often remaining on the trees in winter, with a backdrop of freshly fallen snow, clusters of dogberries have become popular with both amateur and professional photographers. Dogberry leaves are made up of 11 to 15 sparsely tapered, sharp-tipped leaflets five to nine centimetres long and one to 2.5 centimetres wide. According to the Dictionary of Newfoundland English, the berries of the mountain ash are generally called “dogberries” by some, however, in Newfoundland they are also called “pig-berries.” While dogberries are a magnet for many species of birds, the Dictionary of Newfoundland English notes that explorer John Cartwright felt other animals were also attracted to the berry. “He suddenly came upon a bear, which had been in the upper branches of the dog-berry or mountain ash, deliberately bending and breaking the boughs, that he might eat the berries,” the Dictionary states. • • • There are four species of dogberry on the island. One is an introduced European species that is called the rowan tree in the United Kingdom. The others are native, which may explain Ayre’s reference to the Beothuks. Dogberries are a welcome ingredient in the colourful jars of jams and jellies made from local wild and domestic berries that fill the shelves at Auntie Crae’s. The specialty food shop has been a Newfoundland tradition for over a quarter of a century. According to owner Janet Kelly, most children who grew up in Newfoundland tried their hand at attempting to make dogberry wine or beer, “although the results usually had to be mopped off the ceiling by a long-suffering parent.” Kelly says that while dogberries are favourites of children and birds, they have little natural flavour. However, they have lots of bulk and pectin and, in combination with other fruits, can be very useful. “If your dear old nan made wonderful dogberry jam, chances are that it had rosehip or ginger added to give it taste,” Kelly notes on the store’s website. Kelly admits her comments on the curiosity of kids in making dogberry wine come from first-hand experience. She recalls fondly when she was about 10, how, along with her sister Mary, she decided to give it a try — not to drink, but just for the sake of making it, because they’d heard it could be done. The sisters gathered the dogberries, placed them in a few gin bottles with some sugar and water and sealed the bottles. “Gordon’s Gin bottles at that time had clamp-on bottle caps that would not pop off under pressure. We always kept any that we found, as this was the era before screw-on soda pop and liquor bottle caps, and a bottle with a reusable lid was hard to find. Other liquor bottles must have had corks at that time.” The sisters put their concoction on a shelf in the cellar of their house, as they’d been told the berries took a while to brew. “You can imagine the results when, after a few weeks, they exploded all over the basement. You could hear it on the third floor of our house. I suspect we knew this could happen, as otherwise we would have put them in our bedroom, where all other scientific and chemical experimentation usually took place.” Kelly says her curiosity about “what if” has never been satiated. “I still take on that sort of thing and sometimes come up with new products for Auntie Crae’s by my passionate interest in why ingredients behave the way they do.” While two young girls’ curiosity about dogberry wine led to nothing more than lots of giggles and a pleasant memory to look back on, a more refined product has found a place among, for example, the Twillingate-based Weil Winery’s Notre Dame Wine Labels. The word dogberry also has another meaning. Encarta World English Dictionary 2003 says dogberry means an unintelligent but self-important official. Perhaps that explains why Shakespeare included a character named Dogberry in his play Much Ado About Nothing. The character is a none-too-bright but goodhearted constable. In fact, the definition is so popular that the Police Federation of England and Wales has a police magazine that celebrates the “dogberry actions” of a cop. It can be found at www.polfed.org/magazine. • • • Dogberries can also be used in wonderful crafts such as Christmas tree ornaments, all-occasion centerpieces and wreaths. For transplanted Newfoundlanders like Betty (Crane) Webb, the dogberry tree conjures up warm images of growing up on the rock. Even though she left her Grand Bank home in 1956 at the age of 20, Webb says she will always be a Newfoundlander and is proud of her roots. “It is my homeland and, after all, I was a Newfoundlander almost 13 years before someone informed me I was now a Canadian.” Now living in northern Ontario, Webb’s garden is filled with gooseberries, red, black and white currants, rhubarb, red and yellow raspberries and several chokecherry trees. Growing in the front of her house is a dogwood tree, planted by the city. “We had a lovely old dogwood tree in our backyard (in Grand Bank). My father always called them dogwood trees and we called the berries dogberries. … Every year, my mother waited for the first touch of frost. She said that took some of the bitterness off the berries. After that, we picked them and then she made dogberry jelly — a jelly made from dogberries, crabapples and a little water and sugar.” While making jams and wines from dogberries in Newfoundland is nothing new, Betty says her friends in Ontario tend to raise an eyebrow when told about such plans. “And my mainland friends always look at me funny when I say a dogwood tree, because they call it a mountain ash. I tell them that as soon as we have frost, I will pick the berries to make jelly and wine. I am informed that the berries of the mountain ash are poisonous, only birds eat them. I explain to them that most birds will not eat berries that are poisonous and if they were, I would have been dead before I was a year or two old.” Why not go pick a bunch of dogberries and try out some of Betty’s favourite recipes? • • • “In Newfoundland, where I was born and raised, mountain ash berries are called dogberries,” Betty says. “This is an old Newfoundland recipe.” Dogberry Wine Place 2 gallons of berries in a boiler with 1 gallon of water. Boil for 2 hours. Press and strain. Place juice back in boiler for 1 hour, adding sugar to taste. When cool, strain and bottle. Note: I suggest you wash the berries first, as they sometimes get quite dusty. • • • “My mother made this every year just after the first frost. In my mother’s handwritten cookbook, this is called Dogberry Jelly.” Dogberry or Mountain Ash Jelly 1 quart mountain ash berries 2 dozen crabapples (or the equivalent in sour cooking apples) Sugar Wash berries; wash and cut apples. Place together in a large saucepan and cover with water; boil until soft. Mash while cooking. Strain through a jelly bag or cheesecloth. Measure syrup and put on to boil for 15 minutes. Add 3/4 cup of sugar for each cup of juice you measured. Continue cooking until a few drops placed on an ice-cold plate will gel. Remove from heat and pour into hot sterilized jelly jars. Seal and store in a dark, dry place. For other greatNewfoundlandrecipes, visitBetty’s Place athttp://members.shaw.ca/b.e.webb

    10/07/2003 04:29:10
    1. [NFLD-LAB] missing or abandoned spouse
    2. lfaultless
    3. I wonder if anyone could tell me in 18th and 19th century Newfoundland if a husband was missing or if they abandoned their wife was there a specified time period before the wife could remarry? Thanks

    10/07/2003 03:27:36
    1. [NFLD-LAB] missing or abandoned spouse
    2. lfaultless
    3. I wonder if anyone could tell me in 18th and 19th century Newfoundland if a husband was missing or if they abandoned their wife was there a specified time period before the wife could remarry? Thanks

    10/07/2003 03:26:11
    1. Re: [NFLD-LAB] No more headstone photos?????
    2. Jim Roache
    3. Perhaps we might consider "no trespassing" signs when there is sensitivity around the issue - or we might erect signs with contact information for the living so that visitors could ask permission???? And why stop at cemeteries? No photos of anyone's home ever - people might learn where you live. Leave my car out of the shot you are taking of a scenic viewpoint as well - someone might see the plate and link it to me. Certainly, don't ever get my face in a shot...it might show up in a newspaper or online or heaven forbid on TV!!! This can get really complicated....the only solution might be for us all to turn Muslin so at least 52% of the population can hide their faces and very few of us will have money for houses, cars or headstones. We could also remove all headstones or sand all personal information off them. Although I have been thinking about a career change - watchman at a cemetery has a certain appeal - all that power to drive unwanted people away, to take the film from their cameras and collect fines if they fail to comply..... We simply must stamp out genealogy - it is a potentially dangerous blight on our democracy - and it's growing unfettered as more and more people want information about the dead. They must be cult members or worse - to take such liberties....I hear they even want access to Census information, my gawd! It's time to put an end to this - no more cameras, no more etchings, no more paintings - oil, water or pen and ink - leave the dead alone damn you :-) I'm finished now --- back to stamp collecting.....and I promise to white out any name or birth-death date information on any stamp I own. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyn" <ewoudenberg@roadrunner.nf.net> To: "Jim Roache" <jfroache@sympatico.ca>; <NFLD-LAB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] No more headstone photos????? > > Hi All; > I do not wish to write anything "off topic" and hope my opinion is > accepted in a meaningful manner and not that of a "criticism" judgement.This topic "no more Headstone Photos" has been an "opinionated" on one of our mailing lists, certainly not discussing > any of the "Prime Minister"s" Grave Sites, but that of others here in > Newfoundland. > > I have several relatives buried in "Mount Pleasant Cemetery" here in > St.John's including my cherished father. I certainly would not like to find > some person just standing there taking photos of his Stone for genealogy > purposes without permission from me or other members of my family. This is my own personal opinion. > > Kind Regards > Evelyn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Roache" <jfroache@sympatico.ca> > To: <NFLD-LAB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 11:54 AM > Subject: [NFLD-LAB] No more headstone photos????? > > > > Former PM's grave off limits to cameras > > Students allowed to take photos for school after father complains > > > > Allan Woods > > National Post > > > > > > Wednesday, October 01, 2003 > > > > CREDIT: Kevin Van Paassen, National Post > > > > A 10-year-old girl was told on Sunday she could be fined for taking a > photo > > of the tombstone of former prime minister William Lyon Mackenzie King for > a > > class project.

    10/06/2003 05:07:55
    1. Re: [NFLD-LAB] No more headstone photos?????
    2. Evelyn
    3. Hi All; I do not wish to write anything "off topic" and hope my opinion is accepted in a meaningful manner and not that of a "criticism" judgement.This topic "no more Headstone Photos" has been an "opinionated" topic back to approx. one year ago on one of our mailing lists, certainly not discussing any of the "Prime Minister"s" Grave Sites, but that of others here in Newfoundland. I have several relatives buried in "Mount Pleasant Cemetery" here in St.John's including my cherished father. I certainly would not like to find some person just standing there taking photos of his Stone for genealogy purposes without permission from me or other members of my family, although it's beautiful and maintained to the utmost. Neither would I visit some person's grave Site and take photos or inscriptions without permission from living relatives and to be accompanied by them, if at all possible. Should it not be possible to find any relatives, therefore I would search for a telephone number or visit the Church Parishioner, Pastor, Priest etc. and ask for permission to visit any Cemetery, unless of course, it is an "abandoned" Town or Village, in that case I would try to up-grade it instead of down-grade it, if at all possible With the exception of little Towns around my own home Town, in which I have already obtained permission to visit and photograph or write "inscriptions" from their loved one's Grave Sites and graciously agreed to allow me to have these inscriptions posted to a website simply because these relatives have taken interest in genealogy after I explained the details to each one of them. We must not forget that some people do not wish to have their loved ones info. publicized on a public website {although I understand that this is not the case pertaining to the young girl along with members of her class working on a School project and wishing to visit the grave Site of one of the Prime Ministers}and we must honor their wishes. This is and always was my personal opinion about this touchy topic, although with all that said, I am very thankful to those people {living relatives} that have given me permission and others who was kind enough to write dates of Births, Deaths, names of their deceased loved ones etc. that have not yet been able to afford to buy and erect a Stone, but simply a marker. I will be collecting all of this important data when time allow me to make the trip, but be assured I will not walk into any Cemetery with a brief-case and camera without written consent or being accompanied by a living relative/s, unless like earlier stated, it is a deserted Town or Village and then I would not post it to a website for public viewing without permission from relatives that have loved ones buried there. I hope any web-Master would agree with me on this one. I will be posting my entire family's inscriptions to the website for genealogy purposes soon and that is certainly with permission from our remaining family and relatives. I also will leave my utmost consent to my family to have my personal profile and everything about my life, to be posted to the NGB website <smiles> upon my departure from this Planet. This is my own personal opinion. Kind Regards Evelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Roache" <jfroache@sympatico.ca> To: <NFLD-LAB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 11:54 AM Subject: [NFLD-LAB] No more headstone photos????? > Former PM's grave off limits to cameras > Students allowed to take photos for school after father complains > > Allan Woods > National Post > > > Wednesday, October 01, 2003 > > CREDIT: Kevin Van Paassen, National Post > > A 10-year-old girl was told on Sunday she could be fined for taking a photo > of the tombstone of former prime minister William Lyon Mackenzie King for a > class project. > > > A security guard at one of Canada's most historic cemeteries threatened to > fine two grade school students working on a history project when they tried > to photograph the grave of Canada's 10th prime minister. > The security guard at Toronto's Mount Pleasant Cemetery told the 10-year-old > girl, her classmate and the girl's father on Sunday that they could not > photograph William Lyon Mackenzie King's grave site except with special > permission. Breaking the ban could result in a $150 fine, the guard told > them. After learning it was just for a class project, however, he relented > and allowed them to take a photograph. > > Dennis Moir, director of cemetery services for the Mount Pleasant Group of > Cemeteries, said the company policy is intended to protect the personal > information on headstones, which are considered private property. > Mount Pleasant Group of Cemeteries sets its own rules, Mr. Moir explained. > Those rules must then be approved by the cemeteries regulations branch of > Ontario's Ministry of Consumer and Business Services. > > "The bylaw is to protect the people who are buried there," Mr. Moir said. > "Even for MacKenzie King's actual headstone, you'd have to get permission > from the people who own the monument." The incident has raised the ire of > the Dominion Institute, a group committed to preserving and promoting > Canada's history. > > "I think this is hideous," said Jessica Humphreys, manager of the > institute's Memory Project. "What [little] we know about our country's past > is embarrassing and this is a prime example of why that is." > > Students are advised to get permission beforehand. Moir added that the > company provides a number of educational tours at its 10 Toronto cemeteries, > including historical walks and class visits. > > > ==== NFLD-LAB Mailing List ==== > Co-List Admins of Nfld-Lab mail list: > Vera Short : short9647@rogers.com > Glynn Hewlett: glynn.hewlett@sympatico.ca > >

    10/06/2003 03:48:10
    1. [NFLD-LAB] Morgan Porter connection
    2. William Coveduck
    3. Hi! Does anyone have connections to this family . Henry D. Morgan who married Emma Jane Porter and their children were 1 Voida Morgan m James Jim Dawe 2 Mildred Morgan m Victor Sonny Rust 3 Marjorie Morgan m Howard Pope 4 Maxwell Max Morgan 5 John Morgan m Nellie 6 Herbert Morgan 7 Alexander Sandy Morgan m Jane 8 Mary Annie Morgan 1920 - 2000 m William H. Porter Thanks William

    10/06/2003 10:18:25
    1. [NFLD-LAB] "OBITS."-----FARRELL, FORD, GOODYEAR, HOWELL, NEWHOOK, SIMMONS
    2. Evelyn
    3. Transcribed "Obituaries" for Monday, October 06, 2003, courtesy of "The Telegram", St.John's, NL. FARRELL, Rita M. - Passed peacefully away at the Hoyles-Escasoni Complex in the presence of her loving family on Sunday, October 5, 2003, Rita M. Farrell of Renews (formerly of Bar Haven), aged 87 years. Predeceased by her husband Tom in 1980. Leaving to mourn and lovingly remembered by her sons: Bernard (Imelda), Renews, Joe (Anna), Mount Pearl, Jack, Mount Pearl, and Gordon (Bernadette), Alberta; daughters: Mary, Victoria, BC, Carmel (Ted) Pittman, Renews, and Bride, Fredericton, NB; dearly loved and cherished by her 23 grandchildren and 11 great-grandchildren; sister Mary (Bill) Fitzpatrick, Kanata, ON; brother Phil (Kitty) Flynn, Freshwater, P.B.; sisters-in-law: Kitty Murray, Mary Shea, Stella Hanlon and Doreen Flynn; also many nieces and nephews as well as other relatives and friends, especially the staff of 2North and 3West Hoyles-Escasoni, where she resided for the past two years, four months. Your loving care, kindness and support will always be appreciated. Resting! at Barrett`s Funeral Home, 1081 Topsail Road, on Monday from 2-4 p.m. and 7-9 p.m. Then resting at Fahey`s Funeral Home, Fermeuse, on Tuesday from 2-9 p.m. Funeral Mass to be held on Wednesday, October 8, 2003 from Holy Apostles Roman Catholic Church, Renews, at a time to be announced. Interment to follow at the Roman Catholic Cemetery, Renews. Flowers gratefully accepted or donations in her memory may be made to the Alzheimer Society or the Hoyles-Escasoni Foundation. ³Forever in our Hearts² October 06, 2003 FORD, Mary (Molly), nee White - Passed peacefully away at the Health Sciences Centre on Saturday, October 4, 2003 at the age of 92. Predeceased by her loving husband Walter and her daughter Shirley. Leaving to mourn with fond and loving memories her daughter Mary (Robert) and grandchildren Karen (David), Geoffery Lionel (Kim), Janet (Jeff), Stephen James, Mary Catherine and Larry. Great grandchildren: Mark, Nicole and Heather. She also leaves to mourn Anne, Madeline and Frank Rice as well as her cousin Sister Myra Rumsey. Resting at Caul`s Funeral Home, LeMarchant Road. Visitation Monday and Tuesday, 2-4 p.m. and 7-9:30 p.m. Funeral Mass on Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 9:30 a.m. from Mary Queen of Peace Church. Interment to follow at Belvedere Cemetery. Flowers gratefully accepted. Not Lost in Memory or in Loveo October 06, 2003 GOODYEAR, John - John Goodyear of Harcourt, NL, (a veteran of Newfoundland Overseas Forestry Unit, a member of the Royal Canadian Legion, Branch 27 Clarenville and a member of Masonic Craft) passed away peacefully to join his beloved wife, May, on Saturday, October 4, 2003, aged 86 years. Predeceased by all his sisters and brothers. Survived by sisters-in-law Minnie Goodyear (Art) and Madelene Morris, and cousin Ross Goodyear. He will be sadly missed by his children Shirley (Bill) Jablonski, Janice (Tom) Pass, Wendy (Ted) Topping, John B. Goodyear; grandchildren Keir Humble, Lesley (Chad) Harris, Michael, Kevin and Bethany Topping, Christine and Sarah Goodyear, and many nieces and nephews. Remains will be resting at Fewer`s Funeral Home, Clarenville. Visitations on Monday, October 6, 2003 at 2 p.m. Funeral will be 2 p.m. on Tuesday, October 7, 2003 at Bethany United Church with interment at the United Church Cemetery in Harcourt. In lieu of flowers, donations to the Cerebral! Palsy Foundation would be appreciated by the family. Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away October 06, 2003 HOWELL, Catherine Elizabeth (nee Marnell) - Passed peacefully away at St. Clare`s Mercy Hospital on Saturday, October 4, 2003, age 54 years. Predeceased by her husband David and mother Kathleen. Leaving to mourn, daughter Shirley, sons David (Christine), Robert (Leona) and Shawn (Allison); grandchildren Shane, Stephanie and Katelyn; sisters Helen, Joan, Shirley (Randy), and Carrie; brothers: Jim (Lillian), Bob (Maxine), Tom (Beth), Joey, Ronnie (Linda), Johnny; sisters-in-law Rosemary and Joan (Harold), as well as a large circle of nieces, nephews, other relatives and friends. Resting at Caul`s Funeral Home, LeMarchant Road. Visitation Saturday from 7-10 p.m. and Sunday from 10 a.m.-10 p.m., and Monday from 10 a.m.-1 p.m. Funeral Mass on Monday, October 6, 2003, at 2 p.m. from St. Teresa`s Church. Interment to follow at Holy Sepulchre Cemetery. October 06, 2003 NEWHOOK, Christopher Adrian - Passed away tragically on October 5, 2003, age 18 years. Leaving to mourn his father and mother, Bernard and Denise, and one brother, Matthew. Grandparents Elizabeth and Hayward Newhook, Bernadette and Adrian Power; Uncles and aunts: Charlotte (Merrill), Perry (Cindy), Norma (Barry), Kay (Rick), Marcie (Rick), Paula (Martin), Barry (Deanne), Dale (Sarina), Darlene (Jamie), and 18 cousins; very special friend Sherry; also a large circle of relatives and friends. Resting at Caul`s Funeral Home, LeMarchant Road. Visitation Monday and Tuesday, 10 a.m.-10 p.m. Funeral Mass Wednesday at 1 p.m. from Roman Catholic Sacred Heart Church, Chapel Arm. Interment to follow at the Roman Catholic Cemetery, Chapel Arm. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to the family. October 06, 2003 SIMMONS, Margaret Mary (Dunn) - Passed peacefully away at the Health Sciences Complex on Sunday, October 5, 2003 in her 87th year, Margaret Mary Simmons of St. John`s. Predeceased by her father and mother Edward and Margaret Dunn; sister Mary Dunn; husband Charles Simmons; son James and Gertie Simmons; daughter Helen and Harold Pennell; son-in-law William Thompson; and granddaughter Goldie Thompson. Leaving to mourn with fond and loving memories her daughter Patricia Thompson, with whom she resided; son Fred Simmons and wife Valerie of Ontario; 15 grandchildren; 25 great-grandchildren; special and close friends: Carl, Gloria, Jason and Gregory Dumaresque; also a large circle of other relatives and friends in Newfoundland and Ontario. Resting at Barrett`s Funeral Home, 328 Hamilton Avenue on Monday from 7-10 p.m. and on Tuesday from noon- 4 p.m. and 7-10 p.m. Funeral service to be held from Barrett`s Chapel on Wednesday, October 8, 2003 at 11 a.m. Interment to follow at Mount! Pleasant Cemetery. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to the Dr. H. Bliss Murphy Cancer Centre. Please visit www.barretts.ca to sign the memorial guest book. October 06, 2003

    10/06/2003 08:06:50
    1. [NFLD-LAB] No more headstone photos?????
    2. Jim Roache
    3. Former PM's grave off limits to cameras Students allowed to take photos for school after father complains Allan Woods National Post Wednesday, October 01, 2003 CREDIT: Kevin Van Paassen, National Post A 10-year-old girl was told on Sunday she could be fined for taking a photo of the tombstone of former prime minister William Lyon Mackenzie King for a class project. A security guard at one of Canada's most historic cemeteries threatened to fine two grade school students working on a history project when they tried to photograph the grave of Canada's 10th prime minister. The security guard at Toronto's Mount Pleasant Cemetery told the 10-year-old girl, her classmate and the girl's father on Sunday that they could not photograph William Lyon Mackenzie King's grave site except with special permission. Breaking the ban could result in a $150 fine, the guard told them. After learning it was just for a class project, however, he relented and allowed them to take a photograph. Dennis Moir, director of cemetery services for the Mount Pleasant Group of Cemeteries, said the company policy is intended to protect the personal information on headstones, which are considered private property. Mount Pleasant Group of Cemeteries sets its own rules, Mr. Moir explained. Those rules must then be approved by the cemeteries regulations branch of Ontario's Ministry of Consumer and Business Services. "The bylaw is to protect the people who are buried there," Mr. Moir said. "Even for MacKenzie King's actual headstone, you'd have to get permission from the people who own the monument." The incident has raised the ire of the Dominion Institute, a group committed to preserving and promoting Canada's history. "I think this is hideous," said Jessica Humphreys, manager of the institute's Memory Project. "What [little] we know about our country's past is embarrassing and this is a prime example of why that is." Students are advised to get permission beforehand. Moir added that the company provides a number of educational tours at its 10 Toronto cemeteries, including historical walks and class visits.

    10/06/2003 04:24:04
    1. [NFLD-LAB] Toronto Cemetery Group prohibits cameras.
    2. Murray Pletsch
    3. Dear Fellow Researchers: The Mount Pleasant Group of Cemeteries in Toronto prohibits the use of cameras. This is an incredible story. For those who wish to read the full article, it is located at: http://tinyurl.com/psii I sent my thanks to Dominion Institutes for standing up and being counted at: sendto:staff@dominion.ca Please give them your support. I guess pens and paper will be next on their prohibited list....! All researchers have cause to be very, very concerned. Bye for now..............Murray

    10/06/2003 03:16:31
    1. [NFLD-LAB] Re: Curtis Surname, Notre Dame Bay, Twillingate District
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Curtis Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DOC.2ACE/118.1.1 Message Board Post: Hey Tom, I privately e-mailed a reply to you but hadn't heard back. I've been having some computer problems. My husbands grandfather (Ernest Curtis) says that his grandfather was William Curtis supposedly married to Amy Wheelor. I am able to find a marriage record for them but after that they seem to fall off the face of the earth. Do you have information on who James and Paul's parents are? Any help you can send my way would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again Jean

    10/06/2003 02:00:14
    1. [NFLD-LAB] TIDBIT INFO. "A CENTURY OF ARMED CONFLICT IN NFLD"
    2. Evelyn
    3. Transcribed from "A Century of Armed Conflict in Newfoundland" "By Bernard Ransom" MILITARY OPERATIONS IN NEWFOUNDLAND 1662-1763 Naval Wars with Holland, 1652-74 1662 - French fortify Placentia. 1665 - Dutch fleet under Admiral De Ruyter captures and burns St. John's. 1673 - Capt. Martin's defence of St. John's against Dutch and pirate attacks. War of the League of Augsburg, 1689-1697 (King William's War) 1692 - Abortive British attack on Placentia. 1694 - Capt. Holman's defence of Ferryland. 1695 - HMS Sapphire sunk at Bay Bulls. 1696 - French capture Bay Bulls, Petty Harbour and St. John's. 1697 - British troops reoccupy St. John's. Some 214 of 300 soldiers perished during winter due to lack of provisions, shelter, etc. 1698 - Construction begins of Fort William, completed by 1700. Orders given for the permanent garrisoning of St. John's. War of the Spanish Succession, 1702-13 (Queen Anne's War) 1703 - Abortive British attack on Placentia. 1704 - Capt. Gill's defence of Bonavista. 1705 - French attack of St. John's but unable to take Fort William. All communities in Conception, Trinity and Bonavista Bays, with the exception of Carbonear Island, destroyed by the French. 1709 - French forces capture Fort William with little opposition. Over 300 English prisoners transported to France. All forts destroyed. 1711 - Abortive British attack on Placentia. 1713 - Treaty of Utrecht removes French from Placentia. Subsequently, British fortifications decay. War of the Austrian Succession, 1743-48 (King George's War) 1743 - Major reconstruction of Fort William by British. 1745 - Naval squadron from Newfoundland sent to support successful Anglo-American attack on Louisbourg. Seven Years War, 1756-63 (French and Indian War) 1762 - French capture Bay Bulls and St. John's in June. British Forces under command of Col. William Amherst recapture town in September. 1763 - Fort William rebuilt and construction begins on Queen's Battery, Crows Nest Battery and Fort Amherst. Treaty of Paris forces France to abandon all her possessions in North America except the Islands of St. Pierre and Miquelon and fishing rights on the north west coast of Newfoundland. FOOTNOTE: 1. In 1975 the underwater wreck of HMS Sapphire was declared a Provincial Historic Site and archaeological excavations have yielded significant artifacts, some of which are now in the collection of the Newfoundland Museum.

    10/05/2003 06:24:32
    1. [NFLD-LAB] TIDBIT INFO. "COLONY OF AVALON" HISTORY
    2. Evelyn
    3. More Transcribed exerpts from"Colony Of Avalon" history, the tragic and historical events of "Ferryland", Island portion of our Province, "Newfoundland & Labrador". ENJOY! Beothuks A surprising discovery during the 1995 archaeological field season was evidence that Ferryland had been occupied by the Beothuks, Newfoundland's aboriginal inhabitants. Although a fragment of a stone knife and several flakes discarded during the manufacture of stone tools were found in 1986, the 1995 and subsequent discoveries revealed a much more substantial Beothuk presence than that indicated by both history and archaeology. Except for the writings of Henry Crout, who recorded John Guy's early 17th-century encounter with the Beothuks on the western Avalon and in Trinity Bay, historical sources are silent about Native people on the Avalon Peninsula; they are especially so for the eastern Avalon. The same is true for archaeology, for prior to 1995 no evidence of Beothuk occupation was known east of Blaketown, on the east coast of Trinity Bay. Excavations elsewhere in Newfoundland, however, had given archaeologists excellent examples of Beothuk settlements and collections of stone tools and other artifacts dating from the late prehistoric period to the early 18th century. More recent sites and historical documents record the last century or so of the Beothuks' existence. Beginning not long after Europeans began to exploit the coasts of Newfoundland, the Beothuks were displaced from their traditional territories, and by the mid-18th century were confined to the Exploits Valley and adjacent coast in central Newfoundland. Even in this area, among the last in Newfoundland to be settled by Europeans, they were soon denied access to the coast and forced to try to subsist on the impoverished resources of the Newfoundland interior. In little more than a couple of generations, the precarious nature of the resource base, conflict with Europeans, diseases introduced by Europeans, and probably other factors we will never unde! rstand, resulted in their extinction. The last Beothuk, Shanawdithit, died of tuberculosis in St. John's in 1829. The absence of references to Beothuks on the eastern Avalon Peninsula is probably a result of this shrinking of their home territories. By the time Europeans began to take the trouble to write about Native people, the Beothuks had probably already been displaced from the easternmost of their traditional territories. Prominent players in the area's history include Beothuk Indians, migratory fishermen from western Europe, and European settlers who first began to arrive in 1621. A 17th-century lead weight found at the Ferryland archaeology site. It would have been used in the handline migratory fishery which took place at Ferryland during the 1600s. Sir George Calvert, the first Lord Baltimore. In 1620, George Calvert (1579/80-1632) purchased a parcel of land in Newfoundland from Sir William Vaughan. The land extended from just south of Aquaforte to Caplin Bay (now Calvert). The following year, Calvert's colonists set off for Ferryland under the leadership of governor Captain Edward Wynne. After the colony had been established, Calvert obtained a larger land grant from King James I of England, who awarded him "the Province of Avalon". Although the archaeological history of Ferryland essentially stops with the French raid of 1696, the succeeding two centuries are filled with fascinating characters and events. Many of these are interpreted at the Ferryland Museum, a short distance from the Colony of Avalon Visitor Centre. Migratory Fishery It is not known when the first European fishermen visited what is now the eastern Avalon Peninsula. Vague but unproven traditions suggest that mariners from Bristol may have been visiting the offshore fishing grounds, and perhaps coming ashore for wood, food and water, before John Cabot's voyage in 1497. This letter, written between December 1497 and January 1498 by the English merchant John Day, contains valuable information about John Cabot's voyages. Day's letter reported details of Cabot's 1497 expedition and claimed that what John Cabot discovered "is assumed and believed to be the mainland that the Bristol men found." Whether or not there is a grain of truth to these traditions, it is clear from even the scant historical record that follows Cabot's voyage that western European fishermen were quick to exploit the resources reported by Cabot. Within a decade or so of his voyage, vessels from Portugal, Spain, the Basque country, France and West Country England were exploiting the vast cod stocks reported to exist off the coast of the "New-founde-land." By the 16th century, France was among several western European countries which were exploiting Newfoundland's cod stocks through a migratory fishery system. Ferryland, with its location as one of the easternmost points in North America, its conspicuous headland and excellent harbour, easy access to the inshore fishing grounds and extensive cobble beaches upon which fish could be dried, may have been one of the earliest ports visited by migratory fishermen. English participation was limited until the mid-16th century, but beginning about 1560 English participation in the migratory fishery increased rapidly, and they soon became the dominant fishing presence on what was to become the " English Shore." Traditionally, the master of the first English ship to arrive at a particular port became the fishing admiral, a sort of unofficial governor of that port for the coming fishing season. Thus William Sayre was admiral of Ferryland during the summer of 1597. Reminders of the days of the fishing admirals exist in the many place names - Admiral's Cove, Admiral's Point and so forth - that can be traced to the pre-settlement period. At Ferryland, the fishing admiral period may have ceased with the first permanent settlement in 1621, but migratory fishermen continued to visit the harbour throughout the 17th century. A beechwood shovel used in the migratory fishery to spread salt over dressed fish. Found at the Ferryland archaeology site, it may have come from one of the 17th-century vessels sunk in the harbour. Although the shovel's precise date is uncertain, it falls somewhere between 1600 and 1800. David Kirke and the Pool Plantation The Kirke family, particularly Sir David Kirke, his wife, Lady Sara Kirke, and their three sons, are much underrated players on the stage of Canadian history. In 1628 Sir David and his brothers combined to capture both Nova Scotia and Québec from the French, the latter surrendered by Champlain himself. Under the terms of the ensuing treaty these territories were returned to France, and in 1637 a syndicate headed by Sir David was granted the entire island of Newfoundland in recompense for their efforts on behalf of the crown. At the same time Sir David was granted a coat of arms, which survives today as the coat of arms of the province. Newfoundland Coat of Arms granted to Sir David Kirke in 1638. The 17th-century issue of this coat of arms was forgotten over time. After being rediscovered, it was adopted by Newfoundland as its official coat of arms in the 1920s. Sir David was soon to take advantage of this grant. In 1638 he arrived at Avalon, dispossessed the Calverts' representative and established residence in the mansion house. Since Kirke was governor of all of Newfoundland and chose to establish himself at Ferryland, it is not altogether improbable to see Ferryland as Newfoundland's first capital. Sometime not long after the Kirkes' arrival, the name Avalon disappeared and the settlement began to be referred to as the Pool Plantation, perhaps in a conscious effort to obliterate the memory of Calvert's venture. The Calverts did not forget Avalon, however, and legal action between the two families continued intermittently for more than four decades. Sir David Kirke was an unrepentant Royalist, and after the Civil War he was called to England to account for his activities in Newfoundland. While he was there, Cecil Calvert, second Lord Baltimore, took the opportunity to press his suit over the proprietorship of Avalon. Cecil Calvert, second Lord Baltimore. Cecil Calvert (1606-1675) was George Calvert's son and heir. In 1632, Cecil became the second Baron of Baltimore and the first Lord of Proprietary of both Avalon and Maryland. Kirke lost this round of litigation and died in prison. Sara Kirke and her sons paid no heed to this judgement, however, and continued to reside at Ferryland and conduct business as usual from the Pool Plantation. Lady Kirke must have been a remarkable individual. After the death of Sir David she managed affairs at the Pool Plantation and became one of the most successful fish merchants on the English shore. Indeed, according to census figures from the 1660s and 1670s, Lady Kirke owned more stages, boats and train (cod liver oil) vats and employed more servants (fishermen and fish processors) than any other planter on the English shore, including her sons. If Lady Kirke was not the first Newfoundland proprietor to make the fishery profitable, she was almost certainly British North America's first woman entrepreneur. Lady Kirke died sometime in the early 1680s and, according to local legend, lies buried somewhere on the Ferryland Downs, just east of her Pool Plantation. Her sons survived her and ran successful enterprises at Ferryland and elsewhere on the eastern Avalon until 1696, when a French raid destroyed most of the English settlements. The three Kirke brothers were captured and imprisoned at Placentia, probably with the thought that they could be ransomed. Two died at Placentia and the third died at St. John's a short time later, thus ending the Kirke period in eastern Newfoundland. The Colony of Avalon is located in the town of Ferryland, a one hour drive south from Newfoundland and Labrador's provincial capital, St. John's.

    10/05/2003 05:15:45
    1. [NFLD-LAB] Pynns' Estate. Harbour Grace
    2. HGS
    3. Hi All, I noticed in the will of James Cowan found on URL http://ngb.chebucto.org/Wills/cowan-james.shtml refers to the Pynns' Estate. My ggggrandfather Jordan HENDERSON (married to Ann Elizabeth CAWLEY) and my gggggrandmother Charlotte CAWLEY (married to James CAWLEY) are referred to. Both families were from Harbour Grace. I would like to know more about the PYNNS' ESTATES if anyone can help. How did they come about and who were the heirs? Any information about the PYNN family would be appreciated. I suspect that Charlotte CAWLEY was a PYNN heir but I just cannot prove it. Thanks for any info. Harold G. Simms Norwell, Massachusetts

    10/05/2003 12:23:00
    1. Re: [NFLD-LAB] BURRIDGE Search
    2. Lynn
    3. Researching my BURRIDGE family history in Newfoundland. My gg-grandparents were John BURRIDGE and Maria WARREN BURRIDGE married 04/14/1859 in St. John's, Newfoundland. Children: Theodore Francis John b: 9/5/1861 Cyprian Halse m: Julia HANEBURY -g-grandparents Heber Edward Warren BURRIDGE Edith Elizabeth Coyle BURRIDGE Ernest W. BURRIDGE Henrietta Frances Jane Colton BURRIDGE John Harold BURRIDGE b: 1872 d: 10/15/1894 Donald Morrison BURRIDGE Miriam Leah BURRIDGE The children were all baptised in St. Mary's Anglican Church in St. John's, Newfoundland. I have been searching, to no avail, for the parents of John. John and sons Cyprian and Ernest were stone masons by trade. In fact this tradition continued with my grandfather Hubert, father and two of my three uncles. My grandparents Hubert Frederick and Martha Fogwill came to the US (NewYork City) in 1927. The family has little to no information on our BURRIDGE family in Newfoundland other than they came from England originally. Any information anyone can provide is greatly appreciated. Lynn Burridge-Coonrad, Florida, USA Newfoundland family heritage: BURRIDGE, FOGWILL, HANEBURY and WARREN.

    10/05/2003 10:24:13
    1. [NFLD-LAB] "OBITS."----- HOWELL, HYNES, NOLAN
    2. Evelyn
    3. Transcribed "Obituaries" for Sunday, October 05, 2003, courtesy of "The Telegram", St.John's, NL. HOWELL, Catherine Elizabeth (nee Marnell) - Passed peacefully away at St. Clare`s Mercy Hospital on Saturday, October 4, 2003, age 54 years. Predeceased by her husband David and mother Kathleen. Leaving to mourn, daughter Shirley, sons David (Christine), Robert (Leana) and Shawn (Allison); grandchildren Shane, Stephanie and Katelyn; sisters Helen, Joan, Shirley (Randy), and Kerri; brothers: Jim (Lillian), Bob, Tom (Beth), Joey, Ronny (Linda), Johnny; sisters-in-law Rosemary and Joan (Harold), as well as a large circle of nieces, nephews, other relatives and friends. Resting at Caul`s Funeral Home, LeMarchant Road. Visitation Saturday from 7-10 p.m. and Sunday from 10 a.m.-10 p.m., and Monday from 10 a.m.-1 p.m. Funeral Mass on Monday, October 6, 2003, at 2 p.m. from St. Teresa`s Church. Interment to follow at Holy Sepulchre Cemetery. October 04, 2003 HYNES, Gladys - Passed peacefully away at the Masonic Park Nursing Home, on Friday, October 3, 2003, Annie Gladys Hynes. Aged 98 years. Leaving to mourn with fond and loving memories her sister Dorothy McCrindle; nieces: Dorothy Burley, Geraldine Butler and Lillian Flannigan; nephews: Terrance Hynes and Thomas Hynes; also a number of other relatives and friends. Resting at Barrett`s Funeral Home, 328 Hamilton Avenue on Sunday from 2-4 p.m. and 7-9 p.m. and on Monday from 11 a.m.-2 p.m. Funeral service to be held from Barrett`s Chapel on Monday, October 6, 2003 at 2 p.m. Interment to follow at Mount Pleasant Cemetery. Flowers are gratefully accepted. Please visit www.barretts.ca to sign the memorial guest book. October 04, 2003 NOLAN, Brandon Aiden, December 19, 1993 - October 4, 2003 - Passed peacefully away at his home in Mount Pearl surrounded by his loving family, Brandon Nolan, aged 9 years. Predeceased by his great grandparents Jacob and Nellie Martin, cousin Gary Martin and grandparents Nanny K and Aiden Francis Nolan. Leaving to mourn with great sadness his parents Joan (nee Martin) and Aiden Nolan, loving sister Megan Nolan, grandparents George and Gertrude Martin, aunts Elizabeth (Phonse), Helen (Rupert) and Rhonda (Harry); uncles Rick (Eleanor), Georgie (Sydney), Jim (Rhonda), John, Ian, and Greg (Bernice); special buddies Keith and Roy, special friends Dianne Crew and teacher Mrs. Robins; special caregivers Dougie Constantine and Annette Gale; and a large circle of other relatives and friends. Special thanks to the staff of the Janeway Rehab. Resting at Carnell`s Funeral Home, 329 Freshwater Road on Saturday from 7-9 p.m., Sunday from 10 a.m.-9 p.m., and Monday from 10 a.m.-12 noon. Fun! eral service to take place on Monday, October 6, 2003 at 2 p.m. from St. James United Church with interment to follow at Mount Pleasant Cemetery. In lieu of flowers, donations in his memory may be made to the Janeway Children`s Hospital Foundation. October 04, 2003

    10/05/2003 09:37:10