Hi Pat...Sorry , found no Gallop's on these lists.. ~ Ann~ > Dear Ann, > I know that Henry GALLOP was a witness at the trial. Any other information > on this?

Hi Jane...Sorry , found no Lehr /Leigher.. ~ Ann~ Hi Ann, Would there be any Lehr/Leigher names on your list? Thanks,

Hi Mary... Sorry , found no Laskey's... ~ Ann~ > Ann- Could you please check if any Laskey's are on your list? Thanks!

Hi Betty...Found : St. John's 1845 Michael King That's it for your famoly names. ~ Ann~ > > Hi, > Thanks in advance.... > Any Malone's or Kings on the list? >

Hi Pat , Found no Bishop's or Groves ,but there was a "Cosgrove" , Peter at St. John's 1845.....Just for you to note in case your family name was changed over time...This happened a lot back then... ~ Ann~ > Hi Ann, > > Would you check to see if there are any Bishops or Groves? Thank you. >

Hi Maggie...only found 1 : St. John's 1845 Ricjard Green ~ Ann~ > Hi Ann > > Do you have any Green's or Higdons on the list >

I have a further comment about Mr. O'Neill - I have another of his books about Bay Bulls, also filled with detail. I had written a letter to the present owner of a house in St. John's that had belonged to a Spanish family, named Delgardo, who had possibly employed my grandmother - my mother was named after the Delgardo's daughter. The owner had forwarded my letter to Mr. O'Neill, who wrote me a long letter detailing the Delgardos and their house. He is a wonderful man in my opinion - I believe he is still alive. Claire Nault

Hi List I have the two volumes that Debbie says are to be re-released ( "The Story of St.John's, Newfoundland", consisting of vol 1: "The Oldest City"; and vol 2: "A Seaport Legacy"). I heartily agree that they are worth purchasing!! The text is quite detailed and in-depth regarding the town's history, especially the people and the businesses that existed on any given street in different time periods; also, there are many drawings of the street layouts with buildings & premises labelled, along with dozens of photos & illustrations. An amazing amount of work went into these books, and I am very grateful to Mr. O'Neill for them! The following is one example of the depth of information in these books that stands out in my mind. It is in regards to the Great Fire of 1892, that I'd never known before. (My great grandparents were married in St. John's about a week before this fire; I've often wondered where they were at the time and how it affected them). It's generally known that the fire was started by the pipe ashes of a hired hand in a livery stable. Some may know that the man responsible was fired from his job. But I bet not many are aware that the disgruntled employee was later arrested, accused of cutting the horses' tongues out, by way of revenge on his old employer! These books have been invaluable to me in my attempt to research some of the St John's people like Edwin DUDER, Laurence O'BRIEN, P.W. CARTER, etc., who owned ships built by my New Perlican TB ancestors. In addition, it helped me to learn more about the employer of my 3rd GGF. This employer was John WOODS who besides dealing in lumber & coal, had a shipbuilding & repair business in what is now Hoylestown in St John's. I could find almost nothing about him online, or in the many books I've purchased, except for this set. John WOODS, "Gentleman Jim", operated the first commercial drydock in St John's; it was in operation for more than 50 years (the latter half of the 1800s). Obviously, he was well-known in his time-- but not much has been written about him, and I couldn't find anything on him --other than some directory listings on the NGB site-- until I bought these 2 volumes. An added bonus, there is also an old photo in one of the books of Hoylestown, or "Maggoty Cove", as it used to be called! It also told me what existed at the "WOODS' DOCK" location, both before, and after. I am glad to hear that these books will be published again and thus available to more researchers. I recommend them highly!! Michele PITTMAN-Wingerter Michigan win1@usol.com Researching PITTMAN, MERCHANT, DEAN, KELLAND, KIRBY, BOONE, and more.... of Trinity, New Perlican, Winterton, St. John's & Pouch Cove ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah L Jeans" <dljeans.winscot@nf.sympatico.ca> To: <NFLD-LAB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 6:51 PM Subject: [NFLD-LAB] O'Neill's book > Sent this awhile ago and since it has not shown up I thought I would re-post. > > I attended the Wessex Society meeting recently and was talking to Paul > O'NEILL after the lecture. He told me that his books "The Story of > St.John's, Newfoundland" Vol 1 (The Oldest City) & Vol 2 (A Seaport Legacy) > which have been out of print for years is being re-released again at the > end of the month. It will not be updated and will appear as one volume. It > is a wonderful addition to any personal library. > > > > Debbie Jeans, CG(C) > Certified Genealogist (Canada) > St.John's, Newfoundland > > > ==== NFLD-LAB Mailing List ==== > Co-List Admins of Nfld-Lab mail list: > Vera Short : short9647@rogers.com > Glynn Hewlett: glynn.hewlett@sympatico.ca >

Bill: Yes, they are related. A Frampton relative has written a book about growing up in Gin Cove and holds a lot off info on Frampton Family and how life was in early 1900's. Written by Rev. Reginald Frampton and called I Remember....I Remember..My Gin Cove Boyhood. 1.George Allan Frampton, b. 1855 Gin Cove , son of William Thomas Frampton & Elizabeth "Bessie" Reid. 2.Florence Blanche Frampton, b. 9 Nov 1914 Gin Cove was daughter of Edmund "Ed" Frampton and his 2nd wife Annie Cooper. 3. Above William T. Frampton & Edmund Frampton were brothers. That makes George & Florence 1st cousins. William & Edmund were sons of Thomas Frampton & 2nd wife Louisa Butt. They were married at St. Peters' Anglican Church, Catalina on 11 Dec 1857. Morley. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Roberts" <b.robertsis@rogers.com> To: <goodyears@nf.sympatico.ca> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 5:16 PM Subject: Gin Cove + Framptons > Hello Morley, > > First of all you must know Merlin and Shirley Mills. Merlin is a > cousin. I saw them a couple of summers ago . Merlin , my wife Christine > and Tom Mills of Petley went out in Tom's boat. We also had a lovely > meal at their home .Say hello to them when you next meet them. > > My mother was Susan Maude Mills of Shoal Harbour. > > I am looking for the ancestors/siblings etc. of an aunt who was born > in Gin Cove, TB on Nov. 9, 1914, > > Florence Blanche Frampton . Blanche married Ralph Mills of Shoal > Harbour, TB > > I am also looking for George Frampton (b. 1885, Gin Cove, d. 1953) and > his wife Ethel Duffitt who had been previously married to a Noah > Miller. > > I ran into a granddaughter of George Frampton here in Newmarket , > Ontario and I told her that there must be a connection. Both my aunt > and her grandfather were from Gin Cove. Now I am trying to prove it. > > I am particularly interested in the relationship between Florence > Blanche Frampton and George Frampton. > > Do you have these Framptons in your files? > > Bill > > >

Sent this awhile ago and since it has not shown up I thought I would re-post. I attended the Wessex Society meeting recently and was talking to Paul O'NEILL after the lecture. He told me that his books "The Story of St.John's, Newfoundland" Vol 1 (The Oldest City) & Vol 2 (A Seaport Legacy) which have been out of print for years is being re-released again at the end of the month. It will not be updated and will appear as one volume. It is a wonderful addition to any personal library. Debbie Jeans, CG(C) Certified Genealogist (Canada) St.John's, Newfoundland

Hi Maura....No Mallard's or english 's to be found... ~ Ann~ > Well, I guess I have to give it a try too, by any chance are there any > Mallard's or English's?

Hi Bud......found 1... Harbour Grace 1843 Thomas Shea.......No Hannaford's ~ Ann~ > Hi Ann, > > How about Shea and Hannaford > > Thanks > > >

Hi Ethell Sorry...No Wall/Wall's listed. ~ Ann~ > Ann: > Is there any Wall's Wall on your list > >

Yes, you are very close indeed. "they do not answer" means those vessels do not respond well to the tiller or rudder under sailing conditions. I wonder when, who and where you were introduced to the words 'my car won't answer' in relation to tires and ice. Thanks for your response. Sincerely, Lloyd --- Familyjanes <familyjanes@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote: > > Just a guess...... > Could they mean that the vessel doesn't handle well? Like when I > hit a patch > of ice, my car won't answer...... > Brenda Janes > Codroy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lloyd Rowsell" <lgrowsell@yahoo.com> > To: <NFLD-LAB-L@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <NFLD-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:17 PM > Subject: ngb_info Questions > > > > > "Timeline" excerpts from the 1956 book titled "Life and Labour > in > > Newfoundland" by. C.R. Fay > > > > 1813...April "An order goes out by the Admiral to sell all > the > > American prizes at St. John's, and we think you may be able to > > purchase a good vessel or two for us there. On no account buy > a > > low-built vessel, as they do not answer." (lghr Question: > What > > is the meaning of this phrase "as they do not answer"?) > > > ===== quote from the end of a letter said to have been written on board HMS Elizabeth-Bonaventure on 27 April 1587...".....wherefore I shall desire you to continue a faithful rememberancer of us in your prayers, that our present service may take that good effect as God may be glorified, his church, our Queen and country preserved, and the enemy of the truth utterly vanquished, that we may have continual peace in Israel. Your loving friend, and faithful son in Christ Jesus, FRD" (FRD's favorite wife was Mary NEWMAN) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

Journals of the House of Assembly of Newfoundland 1st Session of the 4th House of Assembly St. Johns E.D.Shea , 1848 Table of cases treated in the Provisional Lunatic Asylum for the year 1848 --------------------------------------------------- Shortforms I'm using..... M = married , S = Single ,RC = Roman Catholic COE = Church of England , ? = Having trouble reading it , or unsure of the spelling, or..I just don't know Here's a word that I haven't got a clue what it means , but It looks like it might mean " how long they've had this disorder" at the time they were admiited to the Asylum....Dcration{??}...It's used in the form of " Dcration at time of admission.....any ideas anyone????....I'll note it as Dcrat= Dcration at time of admission. DOA = date of admission , SOA = State on admission, PS = present state Rem = remarks Any { } are my own remarks Also remember that this is for 1848, some of these people have been in there for years! -------------------------------------------------------------- John Meager , 26 yr , S , fisherman , RC >From - Ireland Disease - Menamania {?} Dcrat - 10 mths DOA - Dec. 1817 SOA - Health good , naked PS - Health good Rem -Mental state improved , cure probable. -------------------------------------------------- William Tizzard , 25{?} , S ,, fisherman , COE Fron - NF Disease - mania Dcrat - 7 mths DOA - ? SOA -health good PS - healthy & clean Rem - mental state good ; cure improbable -------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Donavan , 30 yr ,S , Tinman ,RC >From - NF Disease - dementia Dcrat - 3.5 yr DOA - ? SOA - much emaciated , covered with dirt & vermin , in rags PS - Consumptive { consumptive usually means TB } Rem - mental state improved , will not live long ------------------------------------------------------------ James Donavan , 30 yrs ,S , fisherman ,RC >From - Nf Disease - dementia Dcrat - ? yrs DOA - ? SOA - emaciated , covered in dirt & vermin , in rags PS - healthy & clean Rem- mental state improved , cure improbable ------------------------------------------------------- Edward Meager , 25{?} yr , S , carpenter , RC >From - Ireland Disease - mania Dcrat - 8 mths DOA -? SOA -In bad health PS -health bad Rem - mental state improved , cure probable -------------------------------------------------- James Anderson , 45 yrs , S , gentleman ,COE >From -Nf Disease -Monomania Dcrat - 3.5 yr{?} DOA - ? SOA - sick , emaciated , in dirt , vermin & rags PS - dismissed Rem - improved ------------------------------------------------------- Samuel Barry , 25yrs ,S , Shoemaker ,RC >From - Nf Disease -dementia Dcrat -2 yrs DOA -Jan 19 , 1817 or 1818 ? SOA - ill & weak PS -in good health Rem - dismissed, much improved May 17 , returned June 21. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Laurence Turner , 40 yrs , S ,Artist ,COE >From - England Disease - mania Dcrat -3 mths DOA - Feb 19 , 1817 or 1818 ? SOA - in bad health PS - dismissed Rem - improved --------------------------------------------------- William Flarty {?} , 60 yrs , M , fisherman , Rc >From - Ireland Disease - dementia Dcrat -recent DOA - May 17 , 1817 or 1818 ? SOA - in good health PS - health good Rem - no change -------------------------------------------------- Peter Tizzard , 23 yrs ,S ,fisherman ,COE >From - Nf Disease -dementia Dcrat - recent DOA - June 17 . 1817 or 1818 ? SOA - in good health PS - health good Rem - no change -------------------------------------------- ? Whelan , 50 {?} yrs ,M , fisherman ,RC >From - Ireland disease - mania Dcrat - recent DOA - ? SOA - in bad health Ps - dismissed Rem - improved ----------------------------------------------- to be continued..... ~ Ann~ Ann { MacDonald } Batten

Hi Andrew...found : St. John's 1844 William Butler Harbour Grace 1844 Mary Butler St. John's 1845 Catherine Butler ~ Ann~ > Hi Ann, > > Would you check for Taylor, Boone, Butler, Dear? > > Thanks,

Hi Jordy.....Found the following: St. John's 1843 Elizabeth Hynes Thomas Hynes Michael Hynes Harbour Grace 1843 Thomas Hynes Harbour Grace 1844 Thomas Hynes St. John's 1845 Daniel Hayes ~ Ann~ > Hi Maam, > Can you tell me if there are any Hynes or Haynes on that list? Thank > you for your time. > > > > >

Hi Dot....... St. John's 1845 Daniel Hayes I don't see any others... ~ Ann~ Hi Ann, Any Hayes on that list of prisoners? Dot

Hi Barbara....No Rossiter's or Keefe's , however there is: St. John's 1845 - Walter " O'Keefe " We have to keep in mind the times and names changed , mispelled etc...because of minimal literacy etc........I wonder if he's one of your's??? ~ Ann~ > Hi Ann: > Thanks for checking, at your convenience...Keefe, Rossiter. Thanks >

Hi Betty....Sorry , but saw none of your names.... ~ Ann~ > Hi, > Could you check for > Nugent, Mahoney, Duke > >>