continued.................. --------------------------------------------- Res = residence , Doa = date of Admission, Amt = amount of allowance abt. = about , Carb = Carbonear , Sal. C. = Salmon Cove , Och. C = Ochrepit Cove Wes. B = Western Bay ,Low P. = Low Point , Bl. Me Dw = Blow Me Down, H.G. = Harbour Grace , S. B = Spaniards Bay , Mos = Mosquito , Sad. H = Saddle Hill , Up. Is. C. = Upper Island Cove , ----------------------------------------- Widow Nichly , abt. 70 yrs Res -H.G. Doa -1st January, 1846 Amt - £4/4/0 ----------------------------------------------- John Reynolds - a cripple in both legs , abt. 49 yrs Res - H.G. Doa - 1st July , 1843 Amt - £3/12/0 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Ellen Crowly , abt. 69 yrs Res - H.G. Doa - 1st Ju;y , 1843 Amt -£3/12/0 ------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Brennan ,- a leg amputated , abt. 58 yrs Res - H.G. Doa - 1st Oct.,1844 Amt -£6/0/0 ----------------------------------------------- Widow Maria T. Dunegan , abt. 70 yrs Res - Mos Doa - 1st july , 1843 Amt -£6/0/0 ----------------------------------------------- John Ryan ,- a cripple , ill health , abt. 55 yrs Res - Sad. H. Doa - 1st July , 1843 Amt - £3/12/0 ------------------------------------------------------ Henry Martin, -cripple on crutches, abt. 72 yrs Res -H.G. Doa -1st April , 1844 Amt - £3/12/0 ------------------------------------------------------- Widow Joanna Morrisey, abt. 71 yrs Res - H.G. Doa - 1st July , 1843 Amt -£4/4/0 ------------------------------------------------ John Nolan , abt 55 yrs Res - H.G. Doa - 1st July ,1843 Amt - £4/4/0 --------------------------------------------------- Widow Catherine Walsh , abt. 75 yrs Res -H.G. Doa -1st July , 1843 Amt - £6/0/0 ------------------------------------------------- Ann Redmond , abt. 68 yrs Res - H.G. Doa - 1st. July ,1845 Amt -£3/0/0 --------------------------------------------------- Widow Fanny Butt , abt. 71 yrs Res - H.G. Doa - 1st July ,1845 Amt - £4/0/0 ----------------------------------------------------- Virtue Tippy's female bastard child Mary, abt. 7 yrs Res - Mos. Doa -1st July ,1845 Amt - £6/0/0 ------------------------------------------------------- Widow John Hunt , abt. 70 yrs Res- H.G. Doa - 1st april ,1846 Amt - £4/0/0 ----------------------------------------------------- Widow Henry Garland , abt. 58 yrs Res - H.G. Doa -1st January , 1847 Amt - £6/0/0 ------------------------------------------------- Widow Mary Barnes , abt. 71 yrs Res - H.G. Doa -1st July ,1846 Amt - £6/0/0 --------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Hussey - her face disfigured by fire , abt.45 yrs Res - Up. Is. C. Doa - 1st July , 1844 Amt - £3/0/0 --------------------------------------------------------------- John Farrell's 2 idiot brothers, David & Peter , abt. Dav.32 yrs abt. Pet. 24 yrs Res - S. B. Doa - 1st January, 1844 Amt - £6/0/0 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Fitzgerald - on crutches, paralyzed, abt. 48 yrs Res - S.B. Doa - 1st July ,1843 Amt - £6/0/0 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- to be continued...... ~ Ann~ Ann { MacDonald } Batten

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continued....... --------------------------------------------- Res = residence , Doa = date of Admission, Amt = amount of allowance abt. = about , Carb = Carbonear , Sal. C. = Salmon Cove , Och. C = Ochrepit Cove Wes. B = Western Bay ,Low P. = Low Point , Bl. Me Dw = Blow Me Down, H.G. = Harbour Grace , S. B = Spaniards Bay , Mos = Mosquito , Sad. H = Saddle Hill , Up. Is. C. = Upper Island Cove , ----------------------------------------- John Power - Indian Bay , abt. 13 yrs Res - Carb Doa - 1st July 1843 Amt - £6/0/0 ----------------------------------------------- Maurice Cullen - lame , abt. 62 yrs Res -Carb Doa - 1st April ,1848 Amt - £4/0/0 ---------------------------------------------- William Callaghan - both infirm , abt.68 yrs , wife-66 yrs Res - Carb Doa - 1st April , 1848 Amt - £4/0/0 --------------------------------------------- Catherine Dunphy & idiot son Peter, abt. 63 yrs , son -36 yrs Res- Carb Doa - 1st April , 1848 Amt - £4/0/0 -------------------------------------------------- Ann Noel [ widow ] with 5 children , abt. 30 yrs Res - Carb Doa - 1st April 1848 Amt -£4/0/0 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Stone , abt. 55 yrs Res - Sal. C Doa -1st April , 1846 Amt - £6/0/0 ----------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Edgecomb , abt. 75 yrs Res - Och. C. Doa - 1st April , 1846 Amt - £3/0/0 ------------------------------------------------ Phillip Harty - cripple , abt. 30 yrs Res -Wes. B. Doa - 1st April , 1846 Amt - £3/0/0 -------------------------------------------------- Mary Croak , abt. 62 yrs Res - Low P. Doa - 1st January , 1848 Amt -£4/0/0 ----------------------------------------- Adam Butt , abt. 80 yrs Res - Bl Me. Dw. Doa - 1st April , 1848 Amt -£2/0/0 -------------------------------------------- Widow Johana Cummins with 5 children , abt. 45 yrs Res - Carb Doa - 1st Oct. 1848 Amt - £3/0/0 ----------------------------------------------------------------- William Adams , abt. 40 yrs Res - H.G. Doa - 1st January , 1846 Amt - £5/0/0 ------------------------------------------------- Widow Susan Parsons , for her son Jonathan ,a lunatic, abt. 43 yrs Res - H.G. Doa - 1st January,1844 Amt - £18/0/0 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Widow Jane French, abt. 82 yrs Res - H.G. Doa -1st July , 1843 Amt - £6/0/0 ----------------------------------------------------------------- John Cushion , abt. 69 yrs Res - H.G. Doa - 1st July , 1843 Amt - £6/0/0 ----------------------------------------------------------------- John Besson , abt. 77 yrs Res - S.B. Doa - 1st April , 1844 Amt - £4/4/0 -------------------------------------------------------------- Widow Mary Juer , abt. 82 yrs Res - S.B. Doa - 1st April 1844 Amt - £ 4/4/0 ------------------------------------------------------------- Widow Bridget Lahey, for self & simple daughter Bridget, Abt. 74 yrs , dau. 33yrs Res - H.G Doa - 1st July, 1843 Amt - £6/0/0 -------------------------------------------------------------- Widow Isabella Richards for self & lunatic son Francis , abt. 80yrs , son- 46yrs Res - H.G. Doa- 1st July , 1843 Amt - £12/0/0 ------------------------------------------------------------- Widow Jane Nicholas , abt. 75 yrs Res -H.G. Doa - 1st July , 1843 Amt -£6/0/0 ------------------------------------------------------------ to be continued..... ~ Ann~ Ann { MacDonald } Batten

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne" <connors1@bellsouth.net> To: "Heather Mckinley" <hmckin@telus.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [NF-ROOTS] Re: [NFLD-LAB] Lots of Newfoundlanders > Hi Heather, > Once you follow Jeri's directions and you pull the census record up...I am > using their Msdr image plug -in,,,just clicked on it..the Roses are on page > 47.... > Rose, Thomas Head 28 > ? George 35 > Squires? Jim 30 > Hamilton ? 20 > Rose William 17 > Rose Issac J. 22 > > I hope this helps..Joanne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heather Mckinley" <hmckin@telus.net> > To: <NFLD-LAB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:26 PM > Subject: RE: [NF-ROOTS] Re: [NFLD-LAB] Lots of Newfoundlanders > > > > Can someone tell me what the best way to view these records? I saw a > > mention of Rose's in Joanne's post and it got my immediate attention. > > > > Heather McKinley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joanne [mailto:connors1@bellsouth.net] > > Sent: October 27, 2003 9:07 PM > > To: NFLD-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [NF-ROOTS] Re: [NFLD-LAB] Lots of Newfoundlanders > > > > > > Thanks Jeri... > > I followed your instructions to a T....the tip on working up from page > > 48 was key...Thank you for the Tip....I will spend some time > > there as you are right...lots of Newfoundlanders saw Rose, Clarke, > > Mills, > > Mclean, Moore ,McKenzie, Ash, > > thanks again for the detailed instructions as I was unsure where to look > > when visiting that census site before...Joanne > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <jfkeough@shaw.ca> > > To: <NFLD-LAB-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:58 PM > > Subject: [NFLD-LAB] Lots of Newfoundlanders > > > > > > > Just had a quick look through the Canadian 1901 Census for Sydney, > > > Cape > > Breton. > > > > > > Sydney changed from "a sleepy little village" to a town with a > > > population > > of about 25,000 when > > > many came to work at the newly opened steel plant the opened at the > > > turn > > of the century. Many > > > came for a few more years. My relatives didn't get to Sydney until > > > 1913. > > > > > > In Sydney - specifically a section called the Pier - lived many > > Newfoundlanders as well as many > > > other new arrivals who came from around the world seeking employment > > > at > > the new plant. > > > > > > Places in the Pier are found in the census pages as noted below. > > > There > > are 48 pages. There may > > > be a the odd page without Newfoundlanders but most pages contain quite > > > > > a > > few. > > > > > > You find more people from Newfoundland if you start at the last page > > > and > > work up from page 48. > > > > > > If you do a search on the Canadian Archives site: > > > http://www.archives.ca/02/02012202_e.html > > > click Nova Scotia and search using Sydney. The one you want should be > > item # 18 or > > > > > > Province/Territory: Nova Scotia > > > District Name: CAPE BRETON > > > District Number: 28 > > > Sub-district Name: Sydney (Town/Ville) > > > Sub-district Number: z-5 > > > Schedule: 1 > > > Reference: RG31 , Statistics Canada > > > Microfilm Reel Number: T-6448 > > > Finding Aid Number: 31-40 > > > > > > Jeri > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > ==== NFLD-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Messages posted on the NFLD-ROOTS list are not to be posted on ANY web > > site without poster's permission. Posting to a web site without > > permission will get you promptly removed from the NFLD-ROOTS list. > > > > ______________________________ >

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Journal of the House of Assembly of Newfoundland First session of the Fourth General Assembly St. John's , E.D. Shea 1848 ----------------------------------- Return of the names and ages of all the persons on the permanent Pauper list on the 1st January 1849 [ kept at Harbour Grace ] Shewing [exact spelling] the date of admission , the annual allowance of Her Majesty's Government to each person , the names of the commisioners appointed to conduct and manage the admissions of paupers, and paying the same. The said annual allowance, with statement of the expenses attending thereon. Names of the said Commisioners - Thomas Danson, Robert John Pinsent, Joseph Ryan...{ This is at the end of the list with a Date of Feb 20 , 1849 at Harbour Grace } ~ Ann~ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Something to note......You'll see the annual allowences allotted and I wonder how they came up with the amounts?? You'll notice they gave a widow with 5 children £3/0/0 and another widow by herself £4 +.......go figure?...Also...date of admissions are always on the 1 st of a month..?....I'm really confused?..does this make sense to anyone with some historical knowledge? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Res = residence , Doa = date of Admission, Amt = amount of allowance abt. = about , Carb = Carbonear ----------------------------------------- Stephen Page ,abt. 72 yrs Res - Carb Doa - 1st July ,1845 Amt - £4/0/0 ---------------------------------------- Andrew Dunn , abt.70 yrs Res - Carb Doa - 1st July , 1845 Amt - £4/0/0 ---------------------------------------- Mary McDonald , abt. 60yrs Res - Carb Doa - 1st July , 1845 Amt - £4/0/0 ------------------------------------- Bridget Connors , abt.70 yrs Res- Carb Doa - 1st April , 1844 Amt - £3/12/0 ---------------------------------------- Thomas Kennett , abt. 63 yrs Res- Carb Doa - 1st july , 1843 Amt.- £4/4/0 --------------------------------------- Widow Mary Skeehan with 5 children , abt. 42 yrs Res -Carb Doa - 1st Oct , 1848 Amt - £3/0/0 ---------------------------------------- Michael Kirby , abt. 65 yrs Res - Carb Doa - 1st April , 1846 Amt -£4/0/0 --------------------------------------- Widow Mary Hurley , abt. 65 yrs Res - Carb. Doa - 1st July , 1843 Amt. - £4/4/0 ------------------------------------------ Widow Mary Quigley ,abt. 60 yrs Res - Carb Doa - 1st january , 1847 Amt - £4/16/0 -------------------------------------------- Morgan Walsh , abt. 63 yrs Res - Carb Doa -1st April , 1846 Amt -£4/0/0 --------------------------------------------- Nancy Courage - a leg amputated , abt.62 yrs Res- Carb Doa - 1st April , 1844 Amt - £12/0/0 ------------------------------------------------------- Mary Beckett - orphan , abt. 4 yrs Res -Carb Doa - 1st july , 1845 Amt - £5/0/0 ----------------------------------------------------- Joana Ward , with 5 children , abt. 45 yrs, husband 70 yrs Res- Carb Doa - 1st Oct , 1848 Amt - £3/4/0 --------------------------------------------------------- William Beckett - orphan , abt.6 yrs Res - carb Doa -1st July, 1845 Amt.- £5/0/0 ----------------------------------------------------- Rose Comerford , abt. 36 yrs Res - Carb Doa - 1st April , 1847 Amt - £4/16/0 ----------------------------------------- Richard Brennan, abt. 64 yrs Res -Carb Doa - 1st April , 1846 Amt - £4/0/0 ------------------------------------------ Mary Burke , abt. 70 yrs Res - Carb Doa - 1st July 1843 Amt - £6/0/0 ----------------------------------------- to be continued............. ~ Ann~ Ann { MacDonald } Batten

Thanks to Bill & Angus for helping with the currency issue I was having! It seems I had it correct...Pounds /Sterling/Pence...the funny "£" represents the Pounds, { Thanks to Bill who explained how I could get that funny "£" up ! } second figure is Shillings , third figure is Pence... example..the 1st one below would be read as ..60Pounds , 4 Shillings, 10 Pence. According to Angus....1 pound = 18 shillings 1 shilling = 12 pence. Now...have I got all the other non Brits confused? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Journal of the House of Assembly of Newfoundland Sixth session of the First General Assembly St. John's , J. Shea 1836 ----------------------------------- Of disbursements by the High Sheriff under the authority of His Excellancy the Govenor, the Hon., the Judges and Magistrates, for the quarter ending the 31st March , 1835. Goal Expenses 1835 ,June 16..... -To Richard Perchard, prisoners diet......£62/4/10 " " " ,Gaol contingencies....£13/13/5 To Elizabeth Sinnott , Gaol washing.......£6/18/8 " John Phalen , Gaol Barber..................£3/0/0 " Samuel Prowse , Diet of prisoners......£10/14/8 " Nicholas Stabb , Deputy Sheriff N.D.....£47/5/0 " Benjamin Sweetland ,Deputy Sheriff S. D....£7/3/10 Civil & Criminal Prosecutions March 31 - To David Buchan ,Sheriff............£4/19/0 June 16 - " William Davidson , services performed....£1/14/8 " " " " " ........17/4 17 " Richard Sullivan , " " .......£5/14/10 " Nicholas Stabb ,Deputy Sheriff , N.D...........£5/5/0 " Benjamin Sweetland, " " , S. D..........£14/19/6 Fuel & Light March 31 , To Benjamin E. Garrett, Clerk Southern district.....£4/10/0 June 16 , " Perchard & Boag , candles & c....................£18/9/2 " Nicholas Stabb, Deputy Sheriff ,N.D..........£6/10/0 " Benjamon Sweetland , " " , S. D........£1/7/6 Repairs of Courthouse June 16 - To Nicholas Stabb , Deputy Sheriff , N.D...........£6/4/2 Stationary & Printing To Henry Winton ,Stationer.......................£16/5/1 " John Ryan , Printer...............................£3/5/0 Postages of Public Dispatches To Andrew Drysdale , postages,................£3/1/10 " Perchard & Boag , " ................£2/2/0 " Nicholas Stabb, Deputy Sheriff , N.D....£2/6/4 " Benjamin Sweetland, " " , S.D..../18/10 That's it for this posting.... ~ Ann~ Ann { MacDonald } Batten

Heather: Canadian Archives can be found here. http://www.archives.ca/02/020122_e.html The actual census should be found here. Of what shows up. 1 is the street names, and 2 is the census data. http://data4.archives.ca/netacgi/nph-brs?s2=NS&s3=&s4=&s5=Sydney&s6=z- 5&s7=&s8=&s1=&Sect4=AND&l=20&Sect1=IMAGE&Sect2=THESOFF&Sect5=FS31PEN&s10=190 1&Sect6=HITOFF&d=GS31&p=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.archives.ca%2F02%2F02012203_e.ht ml&r=0&f=S If clicking on the above URL doesn't work, try a "cut and paste" into your browser's address bar. If neither of those work, go to the web site above, search the 1901 for Sydney in the Province of Nova Scotia and look for these records. Should be about # 15 if all the Sydney's show up properly, Province/Territory: Nova Scotia District Name: CAPE BRETON District Number: 28 Sub-district Name: Sydney (Town/Ville) Sub-district Number: z-5 Schedule: 1 Reference: RG31 , Statistics Canada Microfilm Reel Number: T-6448 Finding Aid Number: 31-40 Hope this helps. Jeri On 28 Oct 2003 at 13:26, Heather Mckinley wrote: Date forwarded: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:32:00 -0700 Date sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:26:15 -0700 Forwarded by: NFLD-LAB-L@rootsweb.com From: Heather Mckinley <hmckin@telus.net> Subject: RE: [NF-ROOTS] Re: [NFLD-LAB] Lots of Newfoundlanders To: NFLD-LAB-L@rootsweb.com > Can someone tell me what the best way to view these records? I saw a > mention of Rose's in Joanne's post and it got my immediate attention. > > Heather McKinley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joanne [mailto:connors1@bellsouth.net] > Sent: October 27, 2003 9:07 PM > To: NFLD-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NF-ROOTS] Re: [NFLD-LAB] Lots of Newfoundlanders > > > Thanks Jeri... > I followed your instructions to a T....the tip on working up from page > 48 was key...Thank you for the Tip....I will spend some time there as > you are right...lots of Newfoundlanders saw Rose, Clarke, Mills, > Mclean, Moore ,McKenzie, Ash, thanks again for the detailed > instructions as I was unsure where to look when visiting that census > site before...Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: > <jfkeough@shaw.ca> To: <NFLD-LAB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October > 27, 2003 12:58 PM Subject: [NFLD-LAB] Lots of Newfoundlanders > > > > Just had a quick look through the Canadian 1901 Census for Sydney, > > Cape > Breton. > > > > Sydney changed from "a sleepy little village" to a town with a > > population > of about 25,000 when > > many came to work at the newly opened steel plant the opened at the > > turn > of the century. Many > > came for a few more years. My relatives didn't get to Sydney until > > 1913. > > > > In Sydney - specifically a section called the Pier - lived many > Newfoundlanders as well as many > > other new arrivals who came from around the world seeking employment > > at > the new plant. > > > > Places in the Pier are found in the census pages as noted below. > > There > are 48 pages. There may > > be a the odd page without Newfoundlanders but most pages contain > > quite > > > a > few. > > > > You find more people from Newfoundland if you start at the last page > > and > work up from page 48. > > > > If you do a search on the Canadian Archives site: > > http://www.archives.ca/02/02012202_e.html > > click Nova Scotia and search using Sydney. The one you want should > > be > item # 18 or > > > > Province/Territory: Nova Scotia > > District Name: CAPE BRETON > > District Number: 28 > > Sub-district Name: Sydney (Town/Ville) > > Sub-district Number: z-5 > > Schedule: 1 > > Reference: RG31 , Statistics Canada > > Microfilm Reel Number: T-6448 > > Finding Aid Number: 31-40 > > > > Jeri > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== NFLD-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Messages posted on the NFLD-ROOTS list are not to be posted on ANY web > site without poster's permission. Posting to a web site without > permission will get you promptly removed from the NFLD-ROOTS list. > > > > > ==== NFLD-LAB Mailing List ==== > Co-List Admins of Nfld-Lab mail list: > Vera Short : short9647@rogers.com > Glynn Hewlett: glynn.hewlett@sympatico.ca >

Dear Listers, For your entertainment and perhaps a little enlightenment here are copies of recent writing and correspondence on the subject of Newfoundland Folklore. Goodmorning Dr. Hiscock...here is a bit of Newfoundland Folklore, based on my experience with genealogy research. I am still working on the earlier mentioned article for posting to ROOTS NL subscriber list. Cheers, Lloyd Three Brothers.......Folklore, Fact and Fancy (aka.Past, Present & Future or Father, Son & Ghost)....... October 27th,2003, by Lloyd George Henry Rowsell, Victoria, BC. (born at Toulenget, Newfoundland) Folklore....�a widely held unsupported specious notion or body of notionsor �traditional customs, tales, or sayings preserved orally among a people. Fact....�a piece of information presented as having objective reality or �an actual occurrence, event. Fancy.....�to form an idea about on the basis of inadequate evidence or in the absence of evidence." The above definitions were taken from Webster�s New Collegiate Dictionary published in 1977. Here is some of the information that I have discovered during my research into the history of my family surname that relates to a story about Two, Three or Four Brothers coming to Newfoundland from England. A book, found in many Newfoundland homes which was compiled under the direction of E.A. Seary, a professor at Memorial University records �Three Rowsell brothers of Huguenot ancestry (the surname was originally Rouselle), came to Newfoundland from Poole or Bristol in the early 1700�s; they settled in Bonavista Bay, Notre Dame Bay and Pushthrough (MUN Folklore). It also records under the surname Russell �Three brothers, Edward, Stephen and William, from Bristol, England settled at Bay Roberts about 1800 (MUN Geog.) A book titled �The Lively Hope Experience" written by Lodrick Rowsell Sr. has these words. �Some people have inquired, �Where did the Rowsells originally spring from?" I was told by a woman, whose name was Rowsell who lived at Harrington Harbour on the Quebec North Shore, that some Rowsells left England and came to North America. Their names were Edward, Henry, James and John. I partly confirm the truth of this story; my father�s name was Arthur Henry, and his father�s name, John." A young woman who has recently traced her ancestry back to William Rowsell born December 31, 1806, who was the son of John and Emma Rowsell had this to say on September 18th, 2001 �Our Rowsell family is from William�s lineage, my grandfather was also a carpenter and shipbuilder. The three brothers that originally came over were William, Thomas and the third is believed to be Joseph, but we are not completely sure. They were the sons of a shipbuilder and their mother was a Negro woman. In England in that time they were not allowed to be married to a Negro person. The sons, being part Negro and discriminated against, left England." She also wrote: �The spelling of Rousell has now been changed back by many Rowsells to ROW because of misspelling in the Census records and a lack of education. It seems the �u" was meant to be a �w". The above well documented William Rowsell (Rousell) was baptized, as an , and his birthplace was recorded as being Change Islands, Notre Dame Bay. The family Bible in my possession, given to me at CB NL by a descentant of the first names recorded in the book, records the marriage of John and Emma Rowsell on September 8th, 1798. Rev. Walter Smith, in 1874, also recorded the births of their sons Thomas, George, John (third son), William, Joseph, and twins Henry and James. A few days ago I was intrigued to find a similar Bible, published in 1874 by the same US publisher, in the home of a distant "Dawe" relative in Victoria, B.C. A copy of a letter from the Archives of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of St. John�s, in my possession, has this to say. �I have been working on your file and have been successful in tracing your Rousell ancestors to England. It appears that a George Rousell moved into St. Mary�s in about 1880. It may have been earlier. This George married a Johanna Ryan that began the Rousell clan." I wrote to the author of this letter, Larry Dohey, on August 20, 2001 requesting permission to print and publish the information above. Permission was not granted nor denied. In response to my earlier question about the name of the town where George was born in England he wrote this "The name of the community in England is not identified." From a book titled �Oh Gloria: the Fagan family and history of St. Mary�s", this excerpt was taken, referring to Joanna (Han) Rousell. "My mother was born in Path End, daughter of George Rousell and Bridget (Butler) Rousell. Her grandfather, also George Rousell, and his son, John (her uncle) were lost in the 1875 sea disaster. Either her grandfather, or his father is supposed to have jumped ship from a British naval-training, fishing boat. He settled in Path End, which was �out-of-the-way" and an unlikely place for the British officers to look for him." This excerpt is taken from page 90 of a book titled �I Have touched the Greatest Ship", by Melvin Rowe...a history of Heart�s Content. �Family tradition says that THREE Rowe BROTHERS left Bridport, England to seek their fortune in widely separated parts of the world. The first brother emigrated to Newfoundland; the second to the West Indies and the third to America." In the late 1800�s �three bretheren" named Samuel Dawe (their ancestors were said to have been born into non-Catholic families at Portegrave, CB NL) moved from CB to BC. One settled at Victoria, B.C. the other two settled at Royal City, B.C. The Royal City Dawe boys named Samuel were given nicknames �Northern Sam" �Big Sam"and �Little Sam." NL writer, Gerald Andrews in his 1997 book titled �History of a Newfoundland Outport" recorded some of the events in the early life of �Northern Sam" He also wrote that the Daw family of Portegrave were the earliest recorded claimers of land in Newfoundland, pre dating John Guy�s Colony of 1610. My mother�s sister, who resides in NJ USA suggests that her Daw ancestors were granted land at Ship Cove, Portegrave by Queen Elizabeth I. When I began looking into my own family history I started by asking questions of my father�s younger sister, Marion. She said I think that my grandfather�s name was Henry, he died before I was born. I don�t know anything about his parents or ancestors. Some people say that they came over from England and that there were �three brothers." A few months ago I photographed an old Waterbury clock in the possession of Charlie Russell of Bay Roberts. He claimed that the clock was passed down for several generations in his family and came over with his ancestor John Russell in the 1700�s. He said �I think there were �three brothers" William, John and Edward". Even though the label was partly removed, Charlie suggested that the clock was made in England in the late 1700�s. He has not had the clock checked by experts to confirm authenticity. Shortly after photographing the 'old clock", ( unrelated familiar NL slang includes the words 'me old ') I found a website which displayed a photograph of a very similar clock which was said to have been made about 1845-1850 by the Waterbury Clock Co. of Connecticut. One interpertation of the information contained in the ATB Rowsell Website is that the earliest recorded Rousells in Notre Dame Bay were brothers named George Rousell (b.1726) and Thomas Rousell. Diaries of Pulling and Peyton suggest that a Thomas Rousell was killed by Beothucks in 1789. According to E.A. Seary�s book, the next Generation records three men, possibly �three brothers"all born c. 1750-1756, George Jr., Thomas of Exploits in 1797, and John d. Dec. 1815 and buried at South Brook, Hall�s Bay. A few months ago I spoke, by telephone, with a retired woman from Ontario about her �first time" visit to the Bonavista Bay area of Newfoundland, the home of her ancestors. Her father�s name was William Jennings Rowsell. She said that her earliest known Rowsell ancestor in Newfoundland was Samuel Rowsell. He was one of �three brothers" who came from Parkstone, England to Newfoundland and settled in Bonavista Bay. Samuel and his brothers were fishermen and had a boat which they named �Three Brothers" She did not remember the names of Samuel�s brothers. The "Brotheren" in the above stories so far are EDWARD, GEORGE, HENRY, JAMES, JOHN, JOSEPH, SAMUEL, STEPHEN, THOMAS, WILLIAM Today it appears to me that the projenitors of Rowsell / Rousell / Russell in Newfoundland are as follows: ..late 1600�s to early 1700�s ..Bay Roberts.....Edward Russell, Henry Rousell (Rosewell), and Stephen....Nfld. History records that a Capt. Edward Russell was Commodore for Newfoundland in the year 1676. ...mid to late 1700�s ..N. D. Bay ..... George Rousell, John, and Thomas, ...mid 1800�s...St. Mary�s......George Rousell ...mid 1800�s....Pushthrough .....Edward Rousell ...mid 1800�s....Bonavista Bay ....Samuel Rowsell, from Parkstone, England The earliest records of the Rousell family in N.D.Bay includes the places named Change Islands, Nipper�s Harbour, Leading Tickles, and Hall�s Bay. For comments and clarification I can be reached at lgrowsell@yahoo.com. REPLY:Lloyd, Thanks for your thoughts on the "three brothers" motif of family history. It's something we folklorists have thought about too. As the American fammily folklore scholar Mody Boatright used to say, there are some motifs repeated so often that all of them cannot be true. About twenty years ago I convinced one of our graduate students to go through the family history reports that led (in part) to Seary's section called "Family Traditions." She came to the same conclusion in her report which she never published but which (I believe) is still on file at the MUN Folklore & Language Archive. There are many repeated motifs of families' oral history. Some are no doubt true, but others say more about the contemporary desire for pattern in what is believed about the past that about the past itself. Philip Hiscock ============================================================| | Philip Hiscock ------ philip@mun.ca | | Department of Folklore | | Room E4053, Education Building | | Memorial University of Newfoundland | | St. John's, Newfoundland A1B 3X8 CANADA | | Telephone: 709-737-8778 Fax: 709-737-4718 | |=============================================== Thanks Philip for your reply....may I quote you in my report to the NL ROOTS LIST ? Cheers, Lloyd --- Philip Hiscock <philip@mun.ca> wrote: "No problem". __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

Ann, First let me say thanks very much for all your recent postings of NL names who spent time incarcerated in NL jails and mental institutions. May I ask if the information below is from an internet source and if you have seen the original documents of record or transcripts. If the information is taken from transcripts, can you please tell me the date that the transcripts were written. Thanks again for all your good genealogy work, It is much appreciated by those of us who are now located far from the shores of our native Land. Sincerely, Lloyd p.s. Who was the High Sheriff in 1833 and for how long did he serve NL in that position of trust. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:25:09 -0700 From: "Ann Batten" <batten@telusplanet.net> To: NFLD-LAB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFLD-LAB] Gen Ass...1835 Journal of the House of Assembly of Newfoundland Fifth session of the First General Assembly St. John's , J. Shea 1835 {The currency is confusing to me... I think this is how it is read.....1st number is pounds , 2 nd number is shillings, & 3 rd number is pence...If I've mixed it up , could someone please correct me !!!} Statement Of the extraordinary accounts claimed in Sir Thomas Cochrane's accounts as Govenor of Newfoundland, from the 1st of January , to the 31st of March 1833....etc... Legislative Council: J. Templeton, Usher of the Black Rod.......50 { pounds? } V. Borne , Doorkeeper & Messenger..........25 House of Assembly: E.M. Archibald , Clerk...................................150 E. Rendell , Sergeant at Arms.......................50 J. Canning , Doorkeeper.............................35 W. Kelly, Messenger.....................................25 C. Simms , Solicitor......................................100 Other Incidental expenses : Mrs. Traverse....allowance for use of Furniture, coals , wood , candles ,services, and attendance of servants... .......86......13......4 J. Lang , furnishing..............................22....7......8 J. Shea , printing...................................34....1......6 H. Winton, stationary............................9......9......5 A. M'Iver, stationary...............................5.....3.......1 Ryan & Withers, printing.....................109...17....0 Thos. M'Grath, Smith's work..............25......2.....6 William Freeman, Carpenter...............17......5.....9 Claimed in the High Sherrif's Account 1833 Aug. 2 - Mary Traverse, hire of house for Legislature 108........6..........8 License Money 1833 Jan. 10 - Paid A. Beyers , for furnishing a band of Music on occasion of opening first Session.....8......6.....5 ~ Ann~ Ann { MacDonald } Batten __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

Can someone tell me what the best way to view these records? I saw a mention of Rose's in Joanne's post and it got my immediate attention. Heather McKinley -----Original Message----- From: Joanne [mailto:connors1@bellsouth.net] Sent: October 27, 2003 9:07 PM To: NFLD-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NF-ROOTS] Re: [NFLD-LAB] Lots of Newfoundlanders Thanks Jeri... I followed your instructions to a T....the tip on working up from page 48 was key...Thank you for the Tip....I will spend some time there as you are right...lots of Newfoundlanders saw Rose, Clarke, Mills, Mclean, Moore ,McKenzie, Ash, thanks again for the detailed instructions as I was unsure where to look when visiting that census site before...Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: <jfkeough@shaw.ca> To: <NFLD-LAB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:58 PM Subject: [NFLD-LAB] Lots of Newfoundlanders > Just had a quick look through the Canadian 1901 Census for Sydney, > Cape Breton. > > Sydney changed from "a sleepy little village" to a town with a > population of about 25,000 when > many came to work at the newly opened steel plant the opened at the > turn of the century. Many > came for a few more years. My relatives didn't get to Sydney until > 1913. > > In Sydney - specifically a section called the Pier - lived many Newfoundlanders as well as many > other new arrivals who came from around the world seeking employment > at the new plant. > > Places in the Pier are found in the census pages as noted below. > There are 48 pages. There may > be a the odd page without Newfoundlanders but most pages contain quite > a few. > > You find more people from Newfoundland if you start at the last page > and work up from page 48. > > If you do a search on the Canadian Archives site: > http://www.archives.ca/02/02012202_e.html > click Nova Scotia and search using Sydney. The one you want should be item # 18 or > > Province/Territory: Nova Scotia > District Name: CAPE BRETON > District Number: 28 > Sub-district Name: Sydney (Town/Ville) > Sub-district Number: z-5 > Schedule: 1 > Reference: RG31 , Statistics Canada > Microfilm Reel Number: T-6448 > Finding Aid Number: 31-40 > > Jeri > > ______________________________ ==== NFLD-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Messages posted on the NFLD-ROOTS list are not to be posted on ANY web site without poster's permission. Posting to a web site without permission will get you promptly removed from the NFLD-ROOTS list.

Journal of the House of Assembly of Newfoundland Fifth session of the First General Assembly St. John's , J. Shea 1835 {The currency is confusing to me... I think this is how it is read.....1st number is pounds , 2 nd number is shillings, & 3 rd number is pence...If I've mixed it up , could someone please correct me !!!} Statement Of the extraordinary accounts claimed in Sir Thomas Cochrane's accounts as Govenor of Newfoundland, from the 1st of January , to the 31st of March 1833....etc... Legislative Council: J. Templeton, Usher of the Black Rod.......50 { pounds? } V. Borne , Doorkeeper & Messenger..........25 House of Assembly: E.M. Archibald , Clerk...................................150 E. Rendell , Sergeant at Arms.......................50 J. Canning , Doorkeeper.............................35 W. Kelly, Messenger.....................................25 C. Simms , Solicitor......................................100 Other Incidental expenses : Mrs. Traverse....allowance for use of Furniture, coals , wood , candles ,services, and attendance of servants... .......86......13......4 J. Lang , furnishing..............................22....7......8 J. Shea , printing...................................34....1......6 H. Winton, stationary............................9......9......5 A. M'Iver, stationary...............................5.....3.......1 Ryan & Withers, printing.....................109...17....0 Thos. M'Grath, Smith's work..............25......2.....6 William Freeman, Carpenter...............17......5.....9 Claimed in the High Sherrif's Account 1833 Aug. 2 - Mary Traverse, hire of house for Legislature 108........6..........8 License Money 1833 Jan. 10 - Paid A. Beyers , for furnishing a band of Music on occasion of opening first Session.....8......6.....5 ~ Ann~ Ann { MacDonald } Batten

Hi all, I am going to ask again. I didnt get a response and can't find this place anywhere online. Can ANYONE tell me if there is a place in NFLD called LANDS END? I need to know this because I am looking for LUKE KING born in 1890 and his father JOHN KING and his wife ELIZABETH ? Thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer. Kathleen from Stoney Creek, Ont

Journal of the House of Assembly of Newfoundland First session of the first General Assembly St. John's; J.Shea , 1833. Return of the Establishment of the Customs In the Island of Newfoundland {The currency is confusing to me...1st number is pounds , 2 nd number is shillings, & 3 rd number is pence...If I've mixed it up , could someone please correct me !!!} ______________________________________________________________________ Officer-----------------employment-----------station---------salary------remarks _____________________________________________________________ James M. Spearman---Collector-----------St. John's------700 ___________________________________________________________ George Bayly--------Comptroller-----------St. John's-------700 _________________________________________________________ John Moore----------Waiter & Searcher-----St. John's----350 _________________________________________________________ George T. Hayward--- Waiter & Searcher----St. John's--350 _________________________________________________________ John Winter ---------- First Clerk--------------- St. John's----100 ___________________________________________________________ Thomas Read--------Second Clerk--------------St. John's---100 ___________________________________________________________ Edward L. Moore------Locker--------------------St. John's-----100 __________________________________________________________ Andrew Pierce--------Sub-Collector-----------Twillingate----100 __________________________________________________________ Robert Bayly----------Sub-Collector-------------Trinity---------150 ________________________________________________-___________ James Bayly-----------Sub- Collector-----------Harbour Grace--250 ____________________________________________________________ John L. M'Kie----------Sub-Collector----------Bay Bulls--------100 ___________________________________________________________ Robert Carter---------Sub-Collector-----------Ferryland--------100 _____________________________________________________________ Wm. G. Bradshaw----Sub-Collector----------Placentia--------100 _________________________________________________________ Thomas E. Gaden---Acting Sub-Collector---Little Bay-------100 _______________________________________________________ Joshua Green-------Acting Sub-Collector----Port-de-Grave---100 _______________________________________________________ George King--------Sub-Collector----------------Burin--------------100 ________________________________________________________ ~ Ann~ Ann { MacDonald } Batten

Journals of the House of Assembly of Newfoundland 1st Session of the 4th House of Assembly St. Johns E.D.Shea , 1848 Table of cases treated in the Provisional Lunatic Asylum for the year 1848 --------------------------------------------------- Shortforms I'm using..... M = married , S = Single ,RC = Roman Catholic COE = Church of England , ? = Having trouble reading it , or unsure of the spelling, or..I just don't know Here's a word that I haven't got a clue what it means , but It looks like it might mean " how long they've had this disorder" at the time they were admiited to the Asylum....Dcration{??}...It's used in the form of " Dcration at time of admission.....any ideas anyone????....I'll note it as Dcrat= Dcration at time of admission. DOA = date of admission , SOA = State on admission, PS = present state Rem = remarks Any { } are my own remarks Also remember that this is for 1848, some of these people have been in there for years! -------------------------------------------------------------- Eliza Parnell , 36 yrs ,M , COE >From - england Disease - Lypermania Dcrat - 2 yrs DOA - Aug. 18 , 1818 SOA - in dirt & rags Ps -health good Rem -mental state unchanged , cure probable --------------------------------------------------------- Ann Beenmore ,37 yrs ,M , COE >From - England Disease - Puerperal mania Dcrat - recent DOA -June 24 , 1818 SOA - in bad health PS -health good Rem - mental state improved , cure probable --------------------------------------------------- Mary Hanlon ,31yrs , S , RC >From - NF Disease - lypermania , epilepsy Dcrat - ? DOA -July 2 , 1818 SOA - epileptic PS -unchanged Rem - mental state unchanged , cure improbable ------------------------------------------------- Mary Smallcomb , 25 yrs , M , >From - NF Disease - puerperal mania Dcrat -? DOA - Sept 12 , 1818 SOA - in bad health PS - dismissed October Rem - convalescent ---------------------------------------- Mary Butler , 50 yrs , M ,COE >From - ? Disease - mania Dcrat - 3 mths DOA - Sept. 13 , 1818 SOA - in bad health PS - in good health Rem - mental state unchanged , cure improbable --------------------------------------------------- Patrick Fripps , 21 yrs, S , fisherman ,RC >From - Ireland Disease -mania Dcrat -6 mths DOA - Nov 20 , 1847{?} SOA -health good PS -dismissed November 30 , 1848 Rem - convalescent -------------------------------------- Stephen Brazil , 40 yrs ,S, fisherman , RC >From -Ireland Disease - mania & dementia Dcrat - 15 yrs DOA -Jan 7 , 1818 SOA -much emaciated, covered in dirt & vermin PS - healthy & clean Rem - mental state improved, cure probable ---------------------------------------------------- Well that's it for this posting, hope someone found something useful smiles ~ Ann~ Ann { MacDonald } Batten

hi Peter...sorry found no " Glavine's " or variants on the list ~ Ann~ > I wonder if you any Glavine's on the list. > Thank you > Peter

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Hi Anita..... Only found 1.. Harbour Grace 1843 William Travarse ~ Ann~ > Hi Ann, > Are there any Traverse's, Foley's, or Tobins on your list? > Thanks > Anita > >

Hi Ivy!! How are you??? Found a few of your names..... St. John's 1843 Frederick Litten James Anderson Harbour Grace 1843 William Anderson Harbour Grace 1844 William Bennett St. John's 1845 Joseph Harvey James Anderson David Bennett The rest , I had no luck with.... ~ Ann~ > Ann > > Would any of these names be included on your list? > Lillington (Lettin) > Benoit (Bennett) > AuCoin (O'Quinn) > Anderson > Lomond (Lowman) > Harvey > Gilliam > > Thanks > Ivy

Hi Pat.....I couldn't see any of your names, but noted 2 that may be close in pronunciation of the times.... St. John's 1844 John Gall St. John's 1845 James Gaul ~ Ann~ > > > Hi Ann, Are there any Gales, Banks, or Hoffes on your list? > You're doing a great job.Much appreciated. > Thank You > Pat > > _________________________________________________________________ > >