Frank, Yes I do remember those barrels. In the 40's, I was growing up in an outport (Northern Bay) and money was not very plentiful - unless you were a merchant or, in some cases, a member of the clergy. Consequently, new clothes were a luxury in most families, including mine. Homemade and/or hand-me-down was the rule. And indeed, those families with kin in the states (or on mainland Canada) looked forward to receiving those goodies from their "wealthy" relatives. In retrospect, I guess it was similar to giving used clothing to the Salvation Army or Neighborhood Services today. In addition to clothing, toys, games, comic books, etc. were sometimes included. That was a real bonus for us kids. Clothing size could be a problem. Obviously, receiving clothing this way didn't present much fitting choice. Mothers did what alterations they could but when this was impractical, you wore what you were given by Mom. "Like it or lump it" as we used to say. By the way, I also remember that those items in the barrel, which were not usable by the recipient family, were distributed to other people in the community who could use them. Nothing was wasted. After Confederation, government goodies and a generally rising standard of living eventually eliminated the custom. However Frank, if the urge to give strikes you, my address is.............................. <big grin> Regards from a Canadian cousin. Matt > I am wondering if there are any people out there, who remember back into the > forties or before, when Newfoundlanders living in the states, sent barrels > filled with clothes, to their families down "home".It was a ritual in Lynn, > Mass, when I was growing up, that my Aunts and Uncles, Cousins etc would save all > their used clothes throughout the year and send it all down "home" in a > barrel. They would sew the clothes up, make sure it was clean and sometimes > intermingle non-perishable food into these barrels. I think it was my Father who > supplied the two or three barrels that would be shipped full to Nfld. He bought > them from the G.E. in Lynn where he worked and they cost him about a quarter > each. Sometime in early November, my folks and others, would gather at one of > the homes in Lynn and pack the barrel for shipping. Whoever was "hosting" this > event would feed the crew while the women ironed and folded the clothes and > packed it neatly.The men would seal up the barrels, put them in a small truck, > and take them to the railroad station to ship. This shipment was distributed to > all those in need, whether they were family or not. It's funny, after all > these years in between, around the first of November, I remember not only the > good time the family had packing the barrels but the thank you notes that came > from all those who benefited from these barrels.Usually those barrels arrived > at their destination a few days before Christmas so it was a real treat to > many. Didn't mean to be so long winded with this, but I am hoping some of you out > there remember anything about the "barrels" and if so please write me. I'm > saving this kind of thing to pass on to my kids etc. You can write me directly or > via the list, whatever. > Frank Strugnell, Derry, N.H. USA. > > > ==== NFLD-LAB Mailing List ==== > Roll Call Page for Nfld-Lab Mail List > http://amoose4.tripod.com/ >

I am wondering if there are any people out there, who remember back into the forties or before, when Newfoundlanders living in the states, sent barrels filled with clothes, to their families down "home".It was a ritual in Lynn, Mass, when I was growing up, that my Aunts and Uncles, Cousins etc would save all their used clothes throughout the year and send it all down "home" in a barrel. They would sew the clothes up, make sure it was clean and sometimes intermingle non-perishable food into these barrels. I think it was my Father who supplied the two or three barrels that would be shipped full to Nfld. He bought them from the G.E. in Lynn where he worked and they cost him about a quarter each. Sometime in early November, my folks and others, would gather at one of the homes in Lynn and pack the barrel for shipping. Whoever was "hosting" this event would feed the crew while the women ironed and folded the clothes and packed it neatly.The men would seal up the barrels, put them in a small truck, and take them to the railroad station to ship. This shipment was distributed to all those in need, whether they were family or not. It's funny, after all these years in between, around the first of November, I remember not only the good time the family had packing the barrels but the thank you notes that came from all those who benefited from these barrels.Usually those barrels arrived at their destination a few days before Christmas so it was a real treat to many. Didn't mean to be so long winded with this, but I am hoping some of you out there remember anything about the "barrels" and if so please write me. I'm saving this kind of thing to pass on to my kids etc. You can write me directly or via the list, whatever. Frank Strugnell, Derry, N.H. USA.

Transcribed "Obituaries" for Tuesday, November 04, 2003, courtesy of "The Telegram", St. John's, NL. GRUCHY, Margaret - Passed away at St. Luke`s Home on Sunday, November 2, 2003, in her 98th year. Predeceased by her husband Rev. George Gruchy in 1987. Leaving to mourn one sister-in-law Harriet Hann, Mt. Pearl; two nephews: Earl, Paradise and Winston, Vancouver, B.C.; niece: Emily, Brockville, ON; also a number of nieces and nephews in the USA and other relatives and friends. At Margaret`s request cremation has taken place. A Funeral service will be held on Friday, November 7, 2003 at 3 p.m. from St. Thomas` Anglican Church. Interment to follow in the Anglican Cemetery, Forest Rd. In lieu of flowers, donations in her memory may be made to St. Luke`s Homes, 24 Road de Luxe, St. John`s, NL, A1E 5Z3. Funeral arrangements entrusted to Carnell`s Funeral Home, 329 Freshwater Rd. November 04, 2003 RANDELL, Ruby M. - Passed peacefully away suddenly at the Dr. G.B. Cross Hospital, Clarenville on November 2, 2003 in her 86th year. Predeceased by her husband Whitfield Randell. Left with fond and loving memories sons: John (wife Geri), St. Catherine`s, Ont., Fred (girlfriend Madonna), St. John`s, Gary (wife Bonnie), Port Rexton; two grandchildren Joshua and Jeremy; many nieces, nephews, cousins and other relatives and friends. Resting at Fewer`s Funeral Home, Port Rexton. Funeral will be at 2:00 p.m., Thursday, November 6 at the Anglican Church, Port Rexton with interment at the Anglican Cemetery, Port Rexton. No flowers by request. Donations may be made to the Kidney Foundation or to a charity of one`s choice. November 04, 2003 REINHARD, Gustav - Passed peacefully away at the Carbonear General Hospital on Monday, November 3, 2003, Gustav Reinhard of Harbour Grace, age 75 years. Predeceased by parents: Herman and Anna; brother: Rudy, sister-in-law Marie (Sinyard) Dunne. Leaving to mourn wife: Jean; two daughters: Anna Marie (John) Alteen, Corner Brook and Joanne (Martin) Gregory, Bay Roberts; two sons: Mike (Karen), Cloverdale, BC and Peter (Glenda), St. John`s; seven grandchildren: Gillian, Gregory, Anne, Bradley, Dianna, Michael and Liam; one sister: Gertrude (Gunther) Muller, Hoheinod, Germany; niece: Ingrid Muller, Hoheinod, Germany; brother-in-law: Rex (Cathy) Sinyard, Harbour Grace; sisters-in-law: Eleanor (Andrew) Dawe, Kelligrews and Dorothy Funk, Harbour Grace; brother-in-law Richard Dunne, St. John`s; also a large number of other relatives and friends. Resting at NOEL`S FUNERAL HOME, HARVEY STREET, HARBOUR GRACE and from where the funeral will take place on Thursday, Nov. 6 at 10:00 a.m. M! ass to follow at 10:30 a.m. from Immaculate Conception R.C. Church and Cemetery, Harbour Grace. No flowers by request; as an expression of sympathy, donations in his memory may be made to the Immaculate Conception Restoration Fund or to the Heart and Stroke Foundation. Visitation hours at Noel`s Funeral Home are 10:30 a.m. to 12:00 noon, 2:00 to 5:00 p.m., 7:00 to 9:30 p.m. daily. For any additional information please call Noel`s Funeral Home at 596-5750 or visit www.noelsfuneralhome.com to sign the memorial guest book. November 04, 2003

Transcribed "Obituaries" for Monday, November 03, 2003, courtesy of "The Telegram", St. John's, NL. CUMBY, Murdock Austin - December 27, 1942 - November 1, 2003. Passed peacefully away in the presence of family on Saturday, November 1, 2003 Murdock Austin Cumby of New Harbour, aged 60 years. Predeceased by wife, Rose; father, Orestus; sisters, Iris and Shirley. Leaving to mourn: son Shawn (Liza); daughter Sandra (Rod); wife Gloria; mother, Olive; brothers, Barry (Dorothy), Bernard (Audrey), Roy (Sharon), Don (Doris), Sandy (Judy); sisters, Fern, Joan (Fraser), Lori (Shawn), mother-in-law Elizabeth Osbourne and the Osbourne family. Also leaving to mourn a large circle of other relatives and friends. Resting at Warren`s Funeral Home, Dildo, with visitation on Sunday, November 2, 6-9 p.m., Monday, November 3, 2-4 p.m. and 7-9 p.m. The funeral service will be held from the Salvation Army Citadel, T.B.S. Corps on Tuesday, Nov. 4 at 2 p.m. Interment to follow at the Salvation Army Cemetery, Blaketown. No flowers by request. As expressions of sympathy, donations in his memory gra! tefully accepted. November 03, 2003 HIGDON, Arthur Thomas - February 15, 1934-October 31, 2003. Passed peacefully away after a short illness at the Health Sciences Centre, St. John`s, Arthur Higdon of Chapel Arm. Leaving to mourn two sisters: Bernice Edwards (Sherman), Virginia, USA, Rosalyn Upshall (Morgan), Ontario. Also a number of nieces, nephews and cousins. Special friends, Myrtle and David Peddle, Lorraine and Ken Smith. Resting at St. John the Baptist Anglican Church, Chapel Arm. Funeral service will take place on Monday, November 3 at 2 p.m. Interment to follow at the Anglican Cemetery, Chapel Arm. Funeral arrangements entrusted to Holloway`s Funeral Home, Whitbourne. November 03, 2003 LOCKE, Amelia Jane - Passed peacefully away at the Carbonear General Hospital, on November 2, 2003, Amelia Jane Locke, age 90 years. Predeceased by her husband Ishmael, 1978. Leaving to mourn son Ted (Claudette), daughter Anne Hicks (John), son Jim (Bernadette), daughter Hope Wojcik, and son Seth (Christine); 11 grandchildren, three great-grandchildren; as well as a number of nieces, nephews, other relatives and friends. Resting at Barrett`s Funeral Home, 328 Hamilton Ave., Monday 7-9 p.m., Tuesday 2-4 p.m. and 7-9 p.m., Wednesday 10 a.m.-noon. Funeral service 2 p.m. on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 from Bethesda Pentecostal Church with interment to follow at Mount Pleasant Cemetery. As expressions of sympathy flowers are being gratefully accepted or donations in her memory may be made to the Canadian Bible Society. Please visit www.barretts.ca to sign the memorial guest book. November 03, 2003 O`DRISCOLL, Amelia (Millie) - Passed peacefully away at St. Clare`s Hospital in the presence of her loving family on November 2, 2003, Millie O`Driscoll of Bay Bulls, age 82. Predeceased by her husband, Martin John, Sr. (1985) and her son, Martin John, Jr. (1965). Leaving to mourn her children, Thomas (Marguerite), Margaret Ann, Florence, Rosemary (Peter), James (Mary) and Mary (David), 19 grandchildren and 19 great-grandchildren. Also leaving to mourn her sister Irene Oates and sisters-in-law Anne Vickers (USA), Elizabeth Lundrigan and Mary Lundrigan. Resting at Ryan`s Funeral Home, Bay Bulls. Visitation Monday from 12 p.m.-9 p.m., Tuesday 11 a.m.-9 p.m. Funeral Mass on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 at 11 a.m. from Sts. Peter and Paul Church. Interment to follow at Mount Loretta Cemetery. Flowers gratefully accepted or donations in her memory may be made to the Canadian Cancer Society. ³Entering the Gates of Heaven² November 03, 2003 THOMAS, Wayne - Passed peacefully away at Humber River Regional Hospital, Toronto, Ontario, on October 26, 2003, after a courageous battle with cancer, Wayne Thomas of Pouch Cove, age 59 years. Predeceased by mother Alice Bursey, step-father Jack Bursey, brother Paul Bursey, and father-in-law William Noseworthy. Leaving to mourn with beautiful memories wife Irene (nee Noseworthy), son Robbie (Julie), daughter Paulette (Brian), brother Brian Bursey (Sylvia) and family, mother-in-law Alice Noseworthy, sisters-in-law Glenys Codner (Ed), Doris Conners (Paul Sullivan), brothers-in-law Barry (Monica), Bert (Marg) and Kerry, 13 nieces and nephews, also many other relatives and friends. Resting at Caul`s Funeral Home, Torbay. Visitation from 2-10 p.m. on Wednesday, November 5 and Thursday November 6. Funeral Mass on Friday, November 7 at 11 p.m. from St. Agnes` Church, Pouch Cove. Interment to follow at Mount Carmel Cemetery. Flowers gratefully accepted or donations may be made in h! is memory to the Canadian Cancer Society. Cremation has taken place. November 03, 2003 UPSHALL, Wayne D. - With overwhelming sadness we announce the peaceful passing of a beloved husband, father, stepfather, grandfather, brother, brother-in-law and friend on Saturday, November 1, 2003. Predeceased by his parents Frank and Violet. Leaving to mourn his loving and devoted wife, Betty; her children, Leslie Ann, Kelly (Glenn), Christa (Jimmy) and Holly (Ian); his children, Cheryl Ann, Francis and Derrell; grandchildren Jonathan, Justin, Taylor and Kylie; loving and devoted brother, Tom (Mary); sisters Carol (Bob) and Linda (Steve); very special mother-in-law, Theresa Dinn (Doug Hussey); loving and supportive sister- and brothers-in-law; special friends Richard and Anita Clements, Keith and Debbie Weir and Jimmy Everard. Resting at Caul`s Funeral Home, LeMarchant Road. Visitation Sunday from 7-10 p.m., Monday from 10 a.m.-10 p.m. Funeral mass on Tuesday, November 4, 2003 at 10 a.m. from St. Joseph`s Parish, Petty Harbour. Interment to follow at St. Kevin`s Cemetery,! Goulds. Flowers gratefully accepted or donations in his memory may be made to a charity of one`s choice. ³He was truly loved and will be dearly missed and never forgotten² November 03, 2003

This has been an interesting topic. Maybe we can take it off the path of "pauper" angle to save it from being halted. Deborah made the valid point of not using "blanket" generalizations to describe an entire community with varied traditions and Michael also offered a valid argument for the fact that most wealthy, or prominent folks are more likely to have markers than the less well-off but again it can not be said that All Without markers are thus Paupers. My question has more to do with the occupation of MASONRY...I have heard that when possible tombstones were sometimes brought back from Ireland as ballast. With all the Rocks in Newfoundland was there not the appropriate type of stone for carving, like Limestone available in Ireland? So that the occupation of Masonry did not develop with ease in outport communities early on and it had more to do with the availability of materials and a skilled mason. Also were bodies kept over the winter for Spring burial...I can't imagine a grave could be dug during many months of the long winter. I do not believe my Newfoundland ancestors to be paupers based on their grave marker or casket type alone as inspite of our affluence today as their descendants we still think it quite a waste to spend money in a superfluous manner on the dead and this is a perspective passed down thru generations. Now, the information that markers provide for the family genealogist can be invaluable...here is what was found on my Kennedy ancestors in Carbonear...I am sure many more of this family were buried there but not all had markers, for whatever reasons. Joanne http://www.ancestraldigs.com/NorthWestCemetery.htm

Timeline: 1816-2003 CB NL Folklore, Superstion, Novels, Surnames.. 1974....McClelland and Stewart Limited printed the original 1858 Novel by R.T.S.Lowell (started while living in BR and finished in 1857 when the author was 41 yrs. of age)...ISBN 0-7710-9201-6. The introduction was written by the 35 year old Mr. Patrick O�Flaherty of MUN. Here are excerpts from the introduction: 1816...Lowell was Born in Boston 1813...Lowell graduated from Harvard University 1843-1847....Lowell lived at Bay Roberts 1845...Lowell married Mary Ann Duane of Duanesburg, N.Y. 1847...�On January 13, 1847, a daughter, Harriet Brackett Spence, was born to them at Bay Roberts� 1847....�Lowell�s Newfoundland ministry ended in July, 1847. 1891....�He died in 1891�. �If he had used his fine talents as a writer to describe those experiences, he might have left us what we still do not have: a great Newfoundland novel.� (Using the 1835 Voter's List, BMD Parish records, Plantation Book records, family folklore etc. I am working to identify all the 1857 Novel Characters of Bay Harbour and Peterport. lghr Nov.3,2003) 1975......Student, Philip Hiscock, wrote a paper which was published by his professor: Here are his current comments on his own writing at that time. � Thanks for your message the other day asking about some specific bits of information from my nearly thirty-year-old paper on Lowell's New Priest. I wrote it for an undergraduate university course in English (on Newfoundland Literature) in 1975. When my Linguistics professor (Harold Paddock) was putting together a book on language study in Newfoundland he asked if I would let him include it. Thus it found its way into his book, a collection of readings for other students in Linguistics classes. It was never meant to be a scholarly work of history of the sort that is published in peer-reviewed journals, but rather an essay into understanding how a 19th-century novelist might use local language in his work. In the twenty years since I acquired a copy of that book, I'm afraid I have not thought often of the paper. It went on a shelf and when Burton asked me if I had a copy of it, it took me some time to find it. The contents of the paper may be a great deal fresher in your head than in mine. Certainly the contents of the Lowell novel are fresher in your head than mine! Since 1975 a lot of work has been done by professonal historians and amateur genealogists, bringing together a great deal of information about the history of Conception Bay, information that simply was not available 28 years ago, and especially not to a student putting together a paper for a thirteen-week university course. Today, I am a professor at Memorial University but not in History, nor English or Linguistics; I teach Folklore. � 1977....edition of Webster�s New Collegiate Dictionary def. SUPERSTITION 1a: �a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation.� 1989...Breakwater Books, St. John�s NL printed a novel titled �Priest of God� by Patrick O�Flaherty ( age 50 yrs.) ISBN 0-920911-83-8. The back of the book records these words. � Patrick O�Flaherty is a Newfoundland-born writer. This is his third work of fiction. �A Small Place in the Sun� a collection of his short stories, was also published in 1989.� �A doubting priest, a divided Newfoundland community, a Catholic church in crisis, and a terrible accident that costs a thirteen-year-old boy his life: these are the ingredients out of which novelist Patrick O�Flaherty weaves his story of conspiracy and evil. �Pirest of God� is a gripping and occasionally frightening story. Yet there are also humorous moments, as ordinary people who are caught up in the web of deceit and betrayal step forward to take their place in this drama that the author has created for our delight.� Surnames of some of the characters in the 1989 Novel. Anstey Burden Burke Dillon Doyle Driscoll Fagan Finn Jenkins Lane McCarthy McIsaac Noel Pearce Reilly Ryan Shears Snow Squires For the records, I am thankful, whatever the causation or motivation. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

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Re Digest 446 posting #1 of Michael Cooper I have an original copy of "Soe longe as there comes noe women" If you are looking for Family History, it does not give documentation on individual Families, it does give you a sense of how your family names arrived at and moved about the island. The book is a wonderful source of logistics and demographics it gives a good picture of and reasons for, Family Names to be in different areas of the province with maps and graphs to support the writers findings. This publication has an excellent Bibliography and the Index is easy to follow

Here is a quote from page 88 of the Bay Roberts Novel, the words of one of the main characters, Skipper George Barbury (Bradbury). "No, Nahthan, it won't do for 'ee to say that," said the father; and then explained. " They manes that God have tookt her, sir, (blessed be 'E's name!) as 'E' took t Enoch, in a manner, because o' what Jesse sid; (that's my nevy, Jesse of Abram, --lives under the brow o' the hill, --Jesse Hill, we calls un;) I didn' tell 'ee, sir." lghr interpertation: #1. that's my nevy = that is my nephew #2. Jesse Mercer, son of Abraham Mercer #3. lives under the brow of Whit Monday Hill...(Whit Monday = 40 days after Easter Monday. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

At 11:10 AM 02/11/2003 -0500, Michael Cooper wrote: >Soe Longe As There Comes Noe Women by W Gordon Handcock >A History of Newfoundland From The English Colonial and Foreign Records by >Judge DW Prowse (originally printed 1895). Recommend both very highly but if I had to chose one over the other I would buy Handcock's book. I find it a bit easier to read plus Handcock delves into the emigrant patterns much more and he provides the sources of his material. Debbie Jeans, CG(C) Certified Genealogist (Canada) St.John's, Newfoundland

Transcribed "Obituaries" for Sunday, November 02, 2003, courtesy of "The Telegram", St. John's, NL. DOVE, Ethel - Passed away at the Health Sciences Centre, St. John`s, on Friday, Oct. 31, 2003, Ethel Dove of St. John`s, formerly of Harbour Grace and Labrador City, age 66 years. Leaving to mourn husband Leslie J., daughter Cynthia Pike, Labrador City, sons William, St. John`s, and Leslie (Danette), Labrador City, grandchildren Josh, Ryan, David, Sarah, Jennifer and Jessica, brother Harvey (Evelyn) Roberts, Tilton, sister Lillian (Leonard) Williams, Harbour Grace, also a large number of other relatives and friends. Resting at Noel`s Funeral Home, Harvey Street, Harbour Grace, until noon on Monday, Nov. 3. Funeral service to follow at 2 p.m. from St. Paul`s Anglican Church and Cemetery, Harbour Grace. In lieu of flowers, as an expression of sympathy, donations in her memory may be made to the Heart and Stroke Foundation. Visitation hours are Noel`s Funeral Home are 10:30 a.m. to noon, 2 p.m. to 5 p.m. and 7 p.m. to 9:30 p.m. daily. For any additional information, please call! Noel`s Funeral Home at 596-5750 or visit www.noelsfuneralhome.com to sign the memorial guest book. November 02, 2003 FRENCH, Lionel K. - Passed peacefully away at Carbonear General Hospital on Saturday, Nov. 1, 2003, Lionel K. French, a resident of Collingwood Downs Seniors Complex, formerly of Bay Roberts, age 88 years. Predeceased by his wife Marjorie in November 2002. Leaving to mourn his son Ted, daughter-in-law Sandra, two grandchildren, Kimberly and Robert (Susann), also a large circle of other relatives and friends. Resting at Moore`s Funeral Home, Bay Roberts, with visitation on Saturday, Nov. 1, from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m. and Sunday, Nov. 2, from 10 a.m. to noon, 2 p.m. to 5 p.m. and 7 p.m. to 9 p.m. Funeral service on Monday, Nov. 3, 2003, from Central United Church, Bay Roberts, with interment in Central United Cemetery, Bay Roberts. In lieu of flowers, donation in his memory may be made to the Arthritis Society or Central United Church. November 02, 2003 HURLEY, Wilhelmina (nee Bragg) - Passed peacefully away at the Health Sciences Centre on Saturday, Nov. 1, 2003, in her 44th year, Wilhelmina Hurley. Predeceased by her son, Benedict, daughter Elizabeth, parents Eileen and Francis, two brothers, Danny and Art. Leaving to mourn are husband Benedict, daughter Lisa, son Cory, sisters Kathleen (Mike Murphy), Rose Bragg (Derek), Lucy Bragg (Rendell), and Margaret; brothers Steven (Brenda) and Charlie. Also leaving to mourn a large circle of other relatives and friends. Resting at Caul`s Funeral Home, LeMarchant Road. Visitation Sunday and Monday from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m. and 7 p.m. to 10 p.m. Funeral mass on Tuesday, Nov. 4, 2003, at 9:30 a.m. from the Basilica of St. John the Baptist. Interment to follow at Holy Sepulchre Cemetery. Flowers gratefully accepted or donations in her memory may be made to the Canadian Cancer Society. November 02, 2003 RANDELL, Samuel - Passed peacefully away at Chancellor Park on Saturday, Nov. 1, 2003, Samuel Randell, age 92 years. Leaving to mourn his loving wife of 62 years, Muriel (nee Collett), beloved daughter Audrey Neary (Harry), Aurora, Ont., and Elaine Grubbs (Berry), Dallas, Tex., cherished grandchildren Deborah Neary, Barrie, Ont., and Krysta Betanzos (Todd), Dallas, Tex.; great-grandchildren Claire, Matthew, Samuel, Joshua and Laine, other relatives and friends. Resting at Carnell`s Funeral Home, 329 Freshwater Rd. on Monday from 2 p.m. to 4 p.m. and 7 p.m. to 9 p.m. Funeral service to take place on Tuesday, Nov. 4 , 2003, at 2 p.m. from The Chapel of St. Mary the Virgin with interment to follow at the Anglican Cemetery, Kenmount Road. Flowers gratefully declined. Donations in his memory may be made to the CLB. November 02, 2003

SUBJECT: Visitations by God ??? REPLY: Nice to hear from you, I, too, am interested in collecting more information about the October 1867 and 1885 Labrador disasters. Mosdell in his 1922 book titled "When Was That" records that "the schooner "Hope" out of Harbour Grace was lost with all hands on October 9th, 1867" Gerald Andrews in his 1997 book said quote: page 177 & 178..." As if the political and religious problems were insufficient, the decade was attended by numerous personal tragedies and natural disasters. During 1861, severe illnesses became widespread among young people, resulting in numerous deaths. During the fall of 1867, a severe gale hit the Labrador coast destroying huge amounts of property, including dozens of vessels, and causing the deaths of scores of people. Large quantities of fish were lost onboard vessels wrecked on the way home. So many vessels were destroyed that most of the remaining fish had to be left on the coast, leaving many Labrador fishing families in a destitute condition. This fierce Labrador gale destroyed the two larges remaining Port de Grave vessels. On October 9, 1867, the "Tangiers" a 131-ton Brigantine owned by Thomas Butler, the merchant at Por de Grave, was lost at Grady. On the same day, the "Estelle", a 176-ton Brigantine, owned by Richard Hennebury was destroyed nearby at Indian Tickle, attended by a major tragedy. The whole crew were lost, except for a Mrs. Littlejohn from Coley's Point. Among the casualties were several Port de Grave residents. Two known victims were Isaac Morgan of Blow Me Down and Richard Hennebury of Bareneed. In January 1868, three Dawe brothers from Ship Cove perished on a trip to Kellys Island to cut firewood. On April 8th of the same year, six men from Port de Grave were lost from the Brigus sealer "Deerhound". John Maddock referred to those tragedies in a letter to government seeking help." lghr note: letter dated June 25th, 1868.....end of quotes from G. Andrews. The borrowed tape recording of Mr. Robert H. Dawe's 1977 voice is in my possession. I have transcribed most of the family history information on the tape. Mr. Dawe mentioned the loss of his relative Capt. Isaac Morgan and his vessel "The Excell", which occurred, (according to Mr. Dawe, age 92 years) one day after his birth on October 9th, 1885. Other records indicate that the "Excell" was lost on October 10-11, 1885. Grave marker for Isaac, Henry and Esther, Russell at CP Anglican cemetery confirm the date of their transition as October 1885. Mr. Dawe did not mention a Labrador disaster in 1867. You are welcome to listen to the tape at my home anytime within this month of November. Even though some of Mr. Andrews' timeline printed dates may be questioned, (possible transcript mistakes) I still highly recommend his book to anyone who can trace their ancestry to CBN, NL. Cheers, Lloyd ********************** --- jwarford <jwarford@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote: > Lloyd > I am interested in the memoirs of the Mr Dawe that you > referenced in > your posting. Are these transcribed? If so, where would I be > able to read > them or listen to the tape. I am particularly interested in the > Labrador > disaster of 1867. > > Jim Warford > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lloyd Rowsell <lgrowsell@yahoo.com> > To: <NFLD-LAB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 2:14 PM > Subject: [NFLD-LAB] NL Folklore, Genealogy and > Visitations/Causes PART I > > > > *********SUBJECT**** > > "Seary's NL Folklore, Opinions, Facts, Whitmonday,and the > passage > > of time".......updated Oct. 31st, 2003 > > prepared by Lloyd George Henry Rowsell.....for sharing, on > the > > internet, with members of the NL ROOTS genealogy group, etc. > > > > *****message, PART I******** > > > > > > This note is a follow up to a short piece that I earlier > posted > > to NL Roots under the subject. "Three Brothers--Folklore, > Fact > > and Fancy". Since I like to work within the bounds and > order of > > 'timeline linkages' I will continue that mode of presentation > > here. > > > > 1647...Richard Russell, of Charlestown, Mass. sold two vessels > to > > the Colony of Avalon, "according to the laws of Oleron". > > > > 1700 - 1807 - 1865...A copy of the 1865 Lecture at BR Anglican > > Church by Rev. Blackmore was serially printed in the BR > newspaper > > Feb. 20 to March 20, 1943....some quotes: > > #1.."From the several documents the date of this settlement > as a > > prominent fishing station may be safely fixed at about the > year > > 1700, or somewhat more than 160 years ago." > > #2...But in the year 1807 a fresh movement took > > place.........Mark Delaney, an Irishman, at that time living > in > > French's Cove......etc." > > #3..."1810........Somewhat later back......while at Coley's > Point > > the eye could rest on the two little tilts, which were > occupied by > > Mr. T.M. Russell and J. Churchill, set up near the spot where > Mr. > > G. Jackson now lives. ( lghr: I wonder if this was Mr. Thomas > > Henry Russell and Mr. John Churchill, of other records, M & H > are > > sometimes transcribed incorrectly?) > > #4. "At the beginning of the present century.........in a > little > > cove at the foot of Whit Monday Hill, was Mr. > Badcock.......The > > schooner was called the "Fox". It was 60 tons measurement, > and > > carried a complement of 20 men.........The following > > year....another little schooner was build down the Harbour > > likewise, this time by the present family of Russell's. The > > schooner was named the "John William." (lghr note: "John and > > William" was a 64 ton schooner built in 1806 reg#S826007 owned > by > > Henry and Stephen Russell, Farmers/Planters of Bay > Roberts......in > > 1838 Henry and Stephen Russell owned the 84 ton schooner named > > Antigonish, built in NS. reg.# S838099). > > > > 1810-1815....Here are replies from Dr. Robert M. Lewis to > > questions which I asked in April 2003.. > > > > Question #1...." Do you know the actual numbers of population > > growth between 1810 and 1815 caused by in migration as opposed > to > > natural birth rate increase?" > > REPLY: "Robert M. Lewis" <lewis@mun.ca> wrote: " I am not > sure > > what you mean here by 'opinions'. This is Shannon Ryan's > > interpretation (an 'opinion' but one based on a careful > analysis > > of records from the time) of the historical evidence > available, > > which I > > agree with. It has to be an interpretation because neither > births > > and deaths nor 'immigration' was being recorded. I put > > 'immigration' in quotes because I am very sure that many who > came > > in that period did not think of themselves as 'immigrating' to > > Newfoundland but rather as coming to work here for a while but > who > > just ended up staying (for many reasons, but, along with Ryan, > I > > think that the development of the seal fishery was central). > This > > process was, I believe, much like that of many Newfoundlanders > who > > have gone to work in Boston, Sydney, Toronto, Ft. McMurray, > &c., > > have over time and who have ended up staying. The hows and > > wherefores of the early settlement of Newfoundland is still > very > > much a point of historical debate, though I think that Ryan's > > interpretation is the most widely accepted one. But there are > > others....." > > > > #2. "Do you know if records exist for the names of the Irish > > persons who came to Newfoundland during the period 1810-1815 > > either as passengers or stowaways? > > REPLY: " No, and I don't think that many exist. Officially > they > > would all have been considered migratory workers who would > return > > to England or Ireland at the end of the season or in a year or > > two. There was no official immigration at the time because > > Newfoundland was not considered an official colony until 1825. > In > > England and Ireland there probably are at least a few ships > > records of crewmen and passengers coming to Newfoundland in > this > > period but I can't tell you where exactly where because I > have > > never gone looking for them., One of the things I think that > > many people ignore is that the settlement of Newfoundland was > > quite different than that of the United States in the 19th > century > > (or at least as it is usually presented). There was no Ellis > > Island in Newfoundland, no immigration officer, and no > > 'immigration ships'. Immigration to Newfoundland was not as > cut > > and dried as was immigration to the United States was (though > that > > wasn't as cut and dried as it often is presented, e.g., one of > the > > largest 'immigrant' groups in the18th and early 19th centuries > > were African slaves who also lack the neat records of the more > > 'normal' immigrants). That is one of the reasons that there > aren't > > the same sort of records found in the U.S." end of quotes. > > > > Whit Monday Hill: > > 1857-2003....After spending part of the years 1944 to 1947 as > an > > Episcopalian Missionary at Bay Roberts, in the year 1858 > Robert > > T.S. Lowell (Russell ancestors, family from Charlestown, > Mass.) > > returned to his home in Mass. and published a novel > > titled "New Priest in Conception Bay". Quotes from page 17: > > " The place was like a balcony; in front one could see down > the > > shore of the harbor along the sea-face of Whitmonday Hill, and > > over more than one little settlement: and out in the bay to > > Belle-Isle, and the South Shore, and down towards Capt St. > > Francis." page21: "This Whitmonday Hill, in Peterport, of > which > > mention was made in the last chapter, is, on its travelled > face, > > steep enough for a practiced beast (if there were such in > > Peterport) to slide down.......This edging stretches along as > > debatable ground between the hill and the sea, to Daughter's > Dock, > > (the little cove where a 'Seventh Daughter' lives,).......The > > scene, to a sympathetic eye, was a pretty one of home life; > but > > the prettiest part of it was on the wateredge of Whitmonday > > Hill........" (lghr question: Can anyone, who traces > ancestry to > > the town of Bay Roberts or Port de Grave, correctly identify > the > > location of Whitmonday Hill today?) > > > > 1915....James P. Howley published a book about the History of > > Newfoundland. A few days ago, at the library in downtown > > Victoria, I saw a copy of this book noted his words, > concerning > > the history of the Rowsell family in Notre Dame Bay, some of > > which I had read earlier on a website about NL Rowsell > genealogy. > > Here is the preamble, left out of the internet record. > Excerpt > > from page 282 of "The Beothucks or Red Indians, the > Aboriginal > > Inhabitants of Newfoundland" (1915) by. James P. Howley, > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

Soe Longe there Comes No Women is a must to read. Small book with the basics on how the population came about in NFLD. Judy Judy Corbett Barker, St Petersburg, FL Genealogy research. Ireland, Newfoundland and the Channel Island of Jersey http://members.aol.com/judyb3753/index.html

I am interested in knowing if anyone has opinions/knowledge about 2 Newfoundland books recently reprinted: Soe Longe As There Comes Noe Women by W Gordon Handcock A History of Newfoundland From The English Colonial and Foreign Records by Judge DW Prowse (originally printed 1895). From limited discriptions I have seen about these books, I think they may be of some genealogical value, but cannot say for sure. I was thinking about buying one or both of them but rather know a little more about either of them if possible. Thanks to anyone who responds. Michael Cooper

*********SUBJECT**** �Seary�s NL Folklore, Opinions, Facts, Whitmonday,and the passage of time�.......updated Oct. 31st, 2003 prepared by Lloyd George Henry Rowsell.....for sharing, on the internet, with members of the NL ROOTS genealogy group, etc. *****message, part II******** This note is a follow up to a short piece that I earlier posted to NL Roots under the subject. �Three Brothers--Folklore, Fact and Fancy�. Since I like to work within the bounds and order of �timeline linkages� I will continue that mode of presentation here. 2003, October.... here are some excerpts taken from both published and unpublished comments, about the 1858 Bay Roberts Novel and it�s author, by professors employed by Memorial University at St. John�s, NL. Dr. Hans Rollman: #1. �Cultured America�s picture of Newfoundland during the second half of the 19th century was shaped in no small measure by a mystery novel about a fictitious Catholic conspiracy in Conception Bay.� #2. �Lowell left Newfoundland because of the regime change of Bishop Edward Feild, who did not appreciate Lowell�s candor or his American origins. Newfoundland, however, remained on Lowell�s mind, as his novel and several poems indicate. He became a professor at Union College in Schenactady, N.Y., and died there on Sept. 12, 1891.� #3. � In 1843, Lowell was ordained a priest in Bermuda and served there as the bishop�s domestic chaplain and inspector of schools�....�Lowell took the place (at Bay Roberts) vacated through the death of (Bishop) Spencer�s son-in-law, who had died after only two months in service. Along with his local parish, St. Matthew�s Anglican Church, Lowell served the communities of Spaniard�s Bay and New Harbour in Trinity Bay.� Dr. Philip Hiscock: � .... in 1975. When my Linguistics professor (Harold Paddock) was putting together a book on language study in Newfoundland he asked if I would let him include it. Thus it found its way into his book, a collection of readings for other students in Linguistics classes......Since 1975 a lot of work has been done by professonal historians and amateur genealogists, bringing together a great deal of information about the history of Conception Bay, information that simply was not available 28 years ago, and especially not to a student putting together apaper for a thirteen-week university course. .....You asked if I "would kindly elaborate, by giving me some historical reference, which prompted your following words." And you followed with three points, the first two of which are definitely interpretative statements on my part. #1. page 114.. "....his first and foremost intention seems to have been to preach against world Catholicism. #2. page 114.. "The point of the book was the idyllic nature of Newfoundland life (especially Protestant Newfoundland life) and the evils of Papism. ..... The book was in some ways (from your accounting, I see in much greater ways than I imagined) a record of life in that part of Conception Bay. But it was also a political tract, one that modern people must recognise for what it is. #3. ..page 116.. "One could also call this 'Low Protestant', because without exception the speakers are of the lower-class Anglicans. On this point, you point out that two decades before Lowell wrote his novel, the Methodists had made their split from the Church of England. I do not remember whether I was aware of that fact at that time. For certain, I was not aware of any particular church history with regard to that local area because nothing was available to me through the usual secondary sources at the time. Again, I read the book and tried to make sense of what I read. Of course, I used the word "Low" with no slur intended; I simply used it as an indication of social relationships and perceptions.� end quotes. Here are a couple of quotes from Dr. Hiscock�s 1975 paper titled �Dialect Representation in R.T.S. Lowell�s Novel, The New Priest in Conception Bay� and transcribed quotes from the Novel itself. #1... Opening paragraph of the article: �When Robert Traill Spence Lowell wrote The New Priest in Conception Bay his first and foremost intention seems to have been to preach against world Catholicism. His use of dialect in the novel reflects not a scientific interest in linguistics, but rather a felt need for �local color�. He did try, it seems, to get on paper a genuine representation of the local dialect (and others) but this was not the most important thing to him. The point of the book was the idyllic nature of Newfoundland life (especially Protestant Newfoundland life) and the evils of Papism.� #2...page 116...�The second dialect is that in which Lowell wanted to represent Newfoundland English. There are some distinguishing features which serve to set this apart from others and to unify the speakers of it. One could also call this �Low Protestant�, because without exception the speakers are the lower-class Anglicans. It lets us know whom we can trust generally. Because the story takes place from an Anglican point of view, and some of the �best� characters speak Newfoundland English, this dialect is the best developed. The other dialects have far less distinguishing features.� #3..page 119...�The fourth dialect treated and distinguished by Lowell is Newfoundland Irish-English. This might be called �Educated� or �Assimilated Irish�. #4..page 120...�The last dialect representation by Lowell is that of Elnathan Bangs, the go-getter from the United States. It is the American Dialect. Undoubtedly Lowell perfected this when home in New England with lots of chances to study itinerant Yankee merchants.� end of Hiscock quotes. according to Rev. Lowell, the character in the novel, Mr. Elnathan Bangs lived at BRAINTREE, Massachusetts..... words attributed to Mr. Bangs...quotes from the Novel, page 313- 314..� Wa�n�t speakin� o� that, �xac�ly. I�ll tell ye, Father O�Toole, I ain�t a democrat, an� so I don�t like slavery.� The Priest, who knew nothing of parties in America, and, from the word democrat, understood one who was in favor of democracy, might have been edified at this avowal: but how a democrat should like slavery, and what the whole thing had to do with Newfoundland, was not clear. �I mean I don�t b�long to the Democratic party, �s the� call it, where they have t� learn t� blackguard, �n� abuse niggers, b�fore they c�n take the stump� ----...........but �s I was saying�, when we got a talkin� bout common schools, I guess folks �n Noofundland might be �bout�s good �n� happy, �n� a leetle mite better off. Why, there were fishermen down �t Marblehead �n� Gloucester, �n� all �long there, b�fore ever Noofoundland �s heard of, -�s goin� to say....�.....etc.. ______________________ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

*********SUBJECT**** �Seary�s NL Folklore, Opinions, Facts, Whitmonday,and the passage of time�.......updated Oct. 31st, 2003 prepared by Lloyd George Henry Rowsell.....for sharing, on the internet, with members of the NL ROOTS genealogy group, etc. *****message, PART I******** This note is a follow up to a short piece that I earlier posted to NL Roots under the subject. �Three Brothers--Folklore, Fact and Fancy�. Since I like to work within the bounds and order of �timeline linkages� I will continue that mode of presentation here. 1647...Richard Russell, of Charlestown, Mass. sold two vessels to the Colony of Avalon, "according to the laws of Oleron". 1700 - 1807 - 1865...A copy of the 1865 Lecture at BR Anglican Church by Rev. Blackmore was serially printed in the BR newspaper Feb. 20 to March 20, 1943....some quotes: #1..�From the several documents the date of this settlement as a prominent fishing station may be safely fixed at about the year 1700, or somewhat more than 160 years ago.� #2...But in the year 1807 a fresh movement took place.........Mark Delaney, an Irishman, at that time living in French�s Cove......etc.� #3...�1810........Somewhat later back......while at Coley�s Point the eye could rest on the two little tilts, which were occupied by Mr. T.M. Russell and J. Churchill, set up near the spot where Mr. G. Jackson now lives. ( lghr: I wonder if this was Mr. Thomas Henry Russell and Mr. John Churchill, of other records, M & H are sometimes transcribed incorrectly?) #4. �At the beginning of the present century.........in a little cove at the foot of Whit Monday Hill, was Mr. Badcock.......The schooner was called the �Fox�. It was 60 tons measurement, and carried a complement of 20 men.........The following year....another little schooner was build down the Harbour likewise, this time by the present family of Russell�s. The schooner was named the �John William.� (lghr note: �John and William� was a 64 ton schooner built in 1806 reg#S826007 owned by Henry and Stephen Russell, Farmers/Planters of Bay Roberts......in 1838 Henry and Stephen Russell owned the 84 ton schooner named Antigonish, built in NS. reg.# S838099). 1810-1815....Here are replies from Dr. Robert M. Lewis to questions which I asked in April 2003.. Question #1....� Do you know the actual numbers of population growth between 1810 and 1815 caused by in migration as opposed to natural birth rate increase?� REPLY: "Robert M. Lewis" <lewis@mun.ca> wrote: � I am not sure what you mean here by 'opinions'. This is Shannon Ryan's interpretation (an 'opinion' but one based on a careful analysis of records from the time) of the historical evidence available, which I agree with. It has to be an interpretation because neither births and deaths nor 'immigration' was being recorded. I put 'immigration' in quotes because I am very sure that many who came in that period did not think of themselves as 'immigrating' to Newfoundland but rather as coming to work here for a while but who just ended up staying (for many reasons, but, along with Ryan, I think that the development of the seal fishery was central). This process was, I believe, much like that of many Newfoundlanders who have gone to work in Boston, Sydney, Toronto, Ft. McMurray, &c., have over time and who have ended up staying. The hows and wherefores of the early settlement of Newfoundland is still very much a point of historical debate, though I think that Ryan's interpretation is the most widely accepted one. But there are others.....� #2. �Do you know if records exist for the names of the Irish persons who came to Newfoundland during the period 1810-1815 either as passengers or stowaways? REPLY: � No, and I don't think that many exist. Officially they would all have been considered migratory workers who would return to England or Ireland at the end of the season or in a year or two. There was no official immigration at the time because Newfoundland was not considered an official colony until 1825. In England and Ireland there probably are at least a few ships records of crewmen and passengers coming to Newfoundland in this period but I can't tell you where exactly where because I have never gone looking for them., One of the things I think that many people ignore is that the settlement of Newfoundland was quite different than that of the United States in the 19th century (or at least as it is usually presented). There was no Ellis Island in Newfoundland, no immigration officer, and no 'immigration ships'. Immigration to Newfoundland was not as cut and dried as was immigration to the United States was (though that wasn't as cut and dried as it often is presented, e.g., one of the largest 'immigrant' groups in the18th and early 19th centuries were African slaves who also lack the neat records of the more 'normal' immigrants). That is one of the reasons that there aren't the same sort of records found in the U.S.� end of quotes. Whit Monday Hill: 1857-2003....After spending part of the years 1944 to 1947 as an Episcopalian Missionary at Bay Roberts, in the year 1858 Robert T.S. Lowell (Russell ancestors, family from Charlestown, Mass.) returned to his home in Mass. and published a novel titled �New Priest in Conception Bay�. Quotes from page 17: � The place was like a balcony; in front one could see down the shore of the harbor along the sea-face of Whitmonday Hill, and over more than one little settlement: and out in the bay to Belle-Isle, and the South Shore, and down towards Capt St. Francis.� page21: �This Whitmonday Hill, in Peterport, of which mention was made in the last chapter, is, on its travelled face, steep enough for a practiced beast (if there were such in Peterport) to slide down.......This edging stretches along as debatable ground between the hill and the sea, to Daughter�s Dock, (the little cove where a �Seventh Daughter� lives,).......The scene, to a sympathetic eye, was a pretty one of home life; but the prettiest part of it was on the wateredge of Whitmonday Hill........� (lghr question: Can anyone, who traces ancestry to the town of Bay Roberts or Port de Grave, correctly identify the location of Whitmonday Hill today?) 1915....James P. Howley published a book about the History of Newfoundland. A few days ago, at the library in downtown Victoria, I saw a copy of this book noted his words, concerning the history of the Rowsell family in Notre Dame Bay, some of which I had read earlier on a website about NL Rowsell genealogy. Here is the preamble, left out of the internet record. Excerpt from page 282 of �The Beothucks or Red Indians, the Aboriginal Inhabitants of Newfoundland� (1915) by. James P. Howley, FGS....�I have had much communication with Mr. Thomas Peyton, D.S. of Twillingate, son of John Peyton the captor of Mary March. Mr. Peyton, jr., is one of the very few now remaining who knows anything of the Indians, and his information is all second hand, having been derived chiefly from his father and mother, and from old servants or employees of the family. In reply to various inquiries addressed to him from time to time by myself, I cull the following items.� end quote 1977...At the age of 92 years, Mr. Dawe recorded his momories about his ancestors. A review of this tape-recording indicates that he had knowledge of many who lived with the birth surnames and in-law surnames of, Bowering, Daw, Mercer, Morgan, Richards, Seeley,etc. He also accurately recalled some of their occupations, places of birth, place of marriage and where some were buried. He recounted some stories that were told to him about shipwrecks and accidental loss of life. However, it appears to me that he combined into one event, some of the names that related to ancestors involved in both Labrador disasters of Octobers 1867 and 1885. This in no way deminishes the value of Mr. Dawe�s record of BR oral history or folklore. 2000-2001...Since both my parents had passed on almost 30 years earlier, my own quest for family history and roots started with a phone call to my father�s only sister. Her words, in reply to my questions, were something like this: � Why do you need to know that? I think that my grandfather�s name was Henry, he died before I was born. Your father might know, if he was alive.� During my vist to Coley's Point, CB in 2001 I learned, for the first time, that many people there knew my grandfather simply as �Uncle George Henry�. A contempory of mine said: "I was a teenager before I knew that your grandfather's surname was not Henry." 2001...During taped interviews, in the BR area, with �contemporaries/distant relatives� of my father, those comments were recorded: (a) �Boy, I think you are about five years too late, most of the �old fellas� who knew that, have passed on, see.� (b) � Well, now you could be on the right track, the Frenchs used to own most of the land around here.� (c) �Well now, I think that George Henry�s father �died at the ice�, yes, that�s right, I think that he �died at the ice�. (d) �George Henry�s father, he died down on the beach, Long Beach, you know, Long Beach Pond, he was hauling caplin, see, for his gardens, the horse bolted and ran over him, yes, that�s how he died.� (e) �Yes, he was George Henry�s father, he died hauling wood..... the caterman turned over and he was stuck under the load of wood, yes, that�s how he died.� (f) �George Henry�s father died at home, he had scarlet fever, my mother caught it from him, she lost all her hair, she was really young then.� __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

on 11/1/03 9:39 AM, Michael Ryan at mrbig45@hotmail.com wrote: Our Colcannon was made by rendering out salt fat pork to make scrunchions. Remove scrunchions and drain well. In the remaining fat saute diced cooked potatoes, chopped cabbage and diced onion. Brown well and flip over and brown the other side. Sprinkle with the scrunchions.......um um good Pat

Journal of the House of Assembly of Newfoundland first session of the fourth House of Assembly St. John's , E.D.Shea , 1848 A return from the Commissioners for the Relief of the Poor Of Harbour Grace Division , from the 1st October ,1847 to the 14th December 1848. ------------------------------------------------------------ It seems they were given relief of Indian Meal & Molasses, which were dispersed in lbs. & gal. { I'll use those symbols} and it looks like they also worked on the roads for a bit of money. My shortforms.....I.M. = Indian Meal , Mol = molasses , Lab. = labour obtained. dys = days , recall the currency... s = sterling , d = pence, @ = at ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This will take quite a few postings as it is 9 pgs. long. Phillip Grace I.M. - 588 lbs , Mol - 4 1/2 gal. Lab - 7dys @ 5s ,& 24 dys @ 2s --------------------------------------------- Timothy Moriarty I.M. - 146 lbs , Mol - 2 gal. Lab -11 dys @ 2s --------------------------------------- James Duggan I.M. - 506 lbs , Mol - 2 gal. Lab -34 dys @ 2s -------------------------------------- James Morrissey I.M. - 258 lbs , Mol - 3 gal. Lab - 19 dys @2s ----------------------------------- Charles French [ Robert ] I.M. - 428 kbs , Mol - 5 gal. Lab -27 dys @ 2s , 6d ----------------------------------------- Thomas French [ Robert ] I.M. - 254 lbs , Mol - 3 gal. Lab -21 dys @ 2s ----------------------------------------- William French Jr. I.M. - 245 lbs , Mol - 2 gal. Lab -10 dys @ 2s & 6 dys @2s, 6d --------------------------------------------------- John Bray I.M. - 142 lbs ,Mol - 2 gal. Lab - 9 dys @ 2s --------------------------------------- John Ash [John ] I.M. - 294 lbs , Mol - 2 gal. Lab - 21 dys @ 2s ------------------------------------ William Ash [ Robert ] I.M. - 221 lbs ,Mol -2 gal. Lab - 18 dys @ 2s ------------------------------------ George Pippy [ George ] I.M. - 271 lbs , Mol - 2 gal. Lab -19 dys @ 2s ----------------------------------- George Purchase I.M. - 444 , Mol - 2 gal. Lab -30 dys @ 2s ----------------------------------- Walter Duggan I.M. - 396 lbs , Mol -4 gal. Lab -23 dys @ 2s , 6d ----------------------------------- Levi Butt I.M. - 470 lbs , Mol - 4 gal. Lab -30 dys @ 2s ------------------------------------ Henry Shepherd [ Henry ] I.M. 217 lbs , Mol - 4 gal. Lab - 16 dys @ 2s ------------------------------------ John Driscoll I.M. - 490 lbs , Mol - 7 gal. Lab - 15 dys @ 5s --------------------------------------- George Shepherd I.M. - 307 lbs , Mol - 4 gal Lab -23 dys @ 2s --------------------------------- Richard Hines I.M. - 268 lbs , Mol - 2 gal. Lab - 21 dys @ 2s ----------------------------------- John Warford [widows son ] I.M. - 288 lbs , Mol - 2 gal. Lab - 20 dys @ 2s --------------------------------------- William Pike I.M.- 322 lbs, Mol - 4 gal. Lab -24 dys @ 2s ----------------------------------------- William Wills I.M. - 432 lbs , Mol - 4 gal. Lab - 31 dys @ 2s -------------------------------------- Richard Langford I.M. - 294 lbs , Mol 5 gal. Lab - 23 dys @ 2s -------------------------------------- Patrick Cody I.M. - 314 lbs , Mol - 5 gal. Lab - 20 dys @ 2s ------------------------------------ John Shinners I.M. - 252 lbs , Mol - 2 gal. Lab -20 dys @ 2s ---------------------------------- Jeremiah McDonald I.M. - 240 lbs , Mol -2 gal. Lab - 17 dys @ 2s --------------------------------- David Connors I.M. - 790 lbs , Mol - 11 gal. Lab -24 dys @ 5s ------------------------------------- Daniel McCarthy I.M. - 260 lbs ,Mol - 4 gal. Lab - 20 dys @ 2s ------------------------------------- James Simmons I.M. - 392 lbs , Mol - 3 1/2 gal. Lab -28 dys @ 2s ----------------------------------------- James Ryan I.M. - 392 lbs , Mol - 1 gal. Lab - 26 dys @ 2s ------------------------------------- Edward Fitzhenry I.M. - 444 lbs , Mol - 2 gal. Lab - 5 dys @ 2s & 10 dys @ 5 s ---------------------------------------------- Michael Connell I.M. - 272 lbs , Mol = 4 gal. Lab - 23 days @ 2s -------------------------------------- Michael Rearden I.M. - 196 lbs , Mol - 4 gal. Lab - 16 dys @ 2 s ----------------------------------------- Robert Pike I.M. - 392 lbs , Mol - 5 gal. Lab - 35 dys @ 2s ---------------------------------------- to be continued... ~ Ann~ Ann { MacDonald } Batten

Transcribed "Birth Announcements" for Saturday, November 01, 2003, courtesy of "The Telegram", St. John's, NL. BISHOP - It`s A Girl! Scott & Tammy (Manning) and big sister Katie are very excited to announce the arrival of Rachel Marie on Sept. 16, 2003 at 1:46 a.m., WHC, weighing 8 lbs. 14 ozs. Also excited with the arrival of Rachel are grandparents Poppy Bryan & Rowena Manning, Kevin & Audrey Bishop, all of St. John`s. Watching over Rachel from Heaven are two very special Angels, her Nanny Kay Manning and Aunt Dolly (Marie) O`Neil. Special thanks to Dr. O`Grady, Dr. Krista Mossman and nurse Paula in the caseroom. Mommy and Rachel would like to thank Daddy, Aunt ³A² and Aunt Millie for the tender loving care during her delivery, and staff of 5NB. October 31, 2003 BURKE - Sean, Sherry (nee Hillyard) and big brother Daniel are thrilled to announce the birth of their son Patrick Roland Cecil on Oct. 6th, 2003 at 8:46 a.m., weighing 8 lbs. 2 ozs. Welcoming Patrick are Grandparents Roland and Marguerite Hillyard and Cecil and Josephine Burke. Many thanks to Dr. Patricia Roche and team for her pre-natal care and safe delivery. A special thank-you to Nanny and Poppy Hillyard for taking care of Daniel while Mommy was in hospital. Hugs and kisses to Daddy for all his love and support. October 31, 2003 CARTER - Mike and Kelly Carter are thrilled to announce the birth of their first child, Matthew Michael, born August 5, 2003, 7 lbs. 12 oz. Proud grandparents Janet Spratt and Donald and Theresa Carter. Thanks to Dr. Cheryl Pugh and the Janeway staff. October 31, 2003 COFFEY - Derek and Cathy (nee Skinner) are thrilled to announce the arrival of their first child, Zachary Ryan, born September 24, 2003. He is doing great after arriving 21/2 weeks early. Welcoming Zachary are his proud grandparents, Martin & Maud Coffey and Mona Skinner. Great Nanny Clarke, Coffey, and Nash also say a special welcome. A special thanks to the nurses in the Caseroom and 5NB, Dr. Parsons, and Dr. Tennent. An extra special thanks to Dr. Pugh for her social visits. Mommy and Zachary would also like to thank Daddy for his amazing support and encouragement during delivery. We could not have done it without you! October 31, 2003 GOFF - Andy and Allison are happy to announce the birth of their daughter, Alyssa, on September 26, 2003 at St. John`s Janeway Hospital. Proud grandparents are Gail McFarlane and Rick Joyce of Barrie, Ont. and John and Alex Goff of Carbonear; and great-grandparents Mr. and Mrs. Ted Chapman of Barrie, Ont. October 31, 2003 GREEN - Born to Vern and Goldie (nee Shea) at Ottawa Civic Hospital on October 20, 2003, a 6 lb. 8 oz. baby girl. Allison Maria Katherine is welcomed by proud grandparents Ellen and Erwin Green, St. John`s, Shirley and Nelson Shea, Tignish, P.E.I., Uncle Barry, Aunt Sandra and cousins Emily, Liam and Joe at Ottawa. October 31, 2003 KELLY - Barry and Janice are delighted to announce the arrival of their first child, a beautiful baby boy. Ethan Edward Robert was born on September 20, 2003 at the Janeway Children`s Hospital, weighing 11 lbs. Proud grandparents are Vera and Ned Edwards and Eileen Kelly of St. Lawrence, NL. Thank you to Dr. Gill, Dr. Roche, all of the caseroom staff as well as the nurses on 5NB. An extra special thank you to Nanny and Poppy Edwards for all their help and support before, during and after Ethan`s arrival. Finally, thank you to all of our family and friends for your love, gifts and warm wishes. October 31, 2003 MALLARD/HOWELL - He`s finally here!! Amy Mallard and B.J. Howell are pleased to announce the birth of their precious baby boy. Isaac William was born on October 28th, 2003 at 3:49 p.m., weighing 6 lbs. 14 oz. Proud grandparents are Bill and Sharon Mallard, and Sue Howell. Also welcoming little Isaac`s safe arrival are uncles and aunts: Dennis and Sharon Moulton, Mark and Mandy Mallard, Stacey Howell and Steven Mallard. Thank you to all the family and friends for their support, gifts and much appreciated visits. October 31, 2003 MCCORMICK - Trevor and TerraLynn (Nolan) are delighted to announce the arrival of their first child, Jordan Scott, born Sept. 10, 2003, weighing 8 lbs. 10 ozs. A special thank you to proud grandparents Michael and Judy Nolan, Paul and Almoira McCormick. To family and friends for all your prayers, love and support - we thank you. To caseroom and 5NB staff our sincere gratitude. To Baby Jordan ³Ciad Mile Failte² 100,000 welcomes from all who love you. October 31, 2003 MCDONALD - SKINNER- Kim and Derek are very proud to announce the arrival of their precious baby boy, Matthew Thomas, born on September 21, 2003 at the Surgeons Community Hospital, Edmonton, Alberta, weighing 7 lbs. 8 oz. Proud 1st time grandparents are Regina and Keith McDonald, Portugal Cove and Barb and Derek Skinner of St. Philips. Thanks to family and friends for your love, gifts and warm wishes. October 31, 2003 O`BRIEN - Michael and Nikki O`Brien (Hampton) are proud to announce the birth of their first child, Thomas Michael, born September 9, 2003. Grandparents Edward and Angela O`Brien (8th grandchild) and Stan and Pearl Hampton (1st grandchild) welcomes Thomas to their families. Thomas is happy to be the 29th great-grandchild for Myrtle Hampton. Special thanks to doctors and staff, especially Dr. Roche, Dr. Pugh and Judy. Thomas, your mom and dad wish you all that your heart desires. October 31, 2003 PIKE - Twins. Madison would like to announce the arrival of her two newest family members, Erica, 7 lbs. 4 ozs. and Erin, 6 lbs., born to proud parents Derm & Julie on October 24, 2003. Special thanks to Dr. Lacelle, Dr. Crane & Dr. Butler for a safe delivery. Also special thanks to caseroom nurse Tracey Carter, staff of 5 NB & MSAU. October 31, 2003 REID - Lorne and Kelly Reid are proud to announce the birth of their first child, Matthew Stanley, born on September 14, 2003 at 11:24 PM, weighing 7 lbs. 4.75 ozs. Proud grandparents are Stanley and Beatrice Reid of Dildo and Sarah Whiteway of Green`s Harbour. Special thanks go out to Doctor Jeff White, Case Room Nurses Regina and Colleen and the Nurses of 5NB. Also many thanks to family and friends for your love, gifts and warm wishes. October 31, 2003

The conclusion of this past week's "Obituaries" including Friday, October 31, 2003, courtesy of "The Telegram", St. John's, NL. BELL, Emma (Jean) (nee Noseworthy) - Passed peacefully away at the Escasoni Complex, St. John`s on Thursday, October 30, 2003, Emma (Jean) Bell, age 81 years. Predeceased by her husband Michael, 1978. Leaving to mourn son Derek (Linda); two daughters: Sandra (Paul), Valerie (Damian); three grandchildren: Todd (Sharon), Dawn (Glen), Stephanie; great-grandchildren: Michael and Kaleigh; special friend Theresa Walsh; also a special thanks to the staff of the Escasoni Complex. A Memorial Service will be held on Saturday, November 1, 2003 at 2:00 p.m. from Barrett`s Funeral Home, 328 Hamilton Avenue. Interment at Holy Sepulchre Cemetery. In lieu of flowers, donations in her memory may be made to the Alzheimer Society. Please visit www.barretts.ca to sign the memorial guest book. October 31, 2003 BUDDEN, Sophie, Age 90, Oshawa, ON - It is with sadness that the family of the late Sophie Budden announce her passing peacefully at her home in Oshawa on Oct. 7, 2003, two days past her 90th birthday. Born in Carbonear, she was the daughter of Samuel and Cecilia Collins. She was predeceased by her loving husband Lester in 1996 and son Edward in 2002. She leaves to mourn with fond and precious memories three daughters: Doris (Douglas) Crump of Oshawa, Pauline (the late Harry) Mullins of Toronto, Winifred (John) Desmond of Oshawa, son David (Sandra) of St. John`s, daughter-in-law Sally of Oshawa. Granddaughters: Joanne (Tim) Broad of Courtice, Ont., Dana (Dale) Collins of Pontypool, Ont., Sarah Budden of St. John`s. Greatgranddaughters: Jessica, Amanda and Kara Broad of Courtice. Brother: Wilson (Bertha) Collins of Carbonear, Eva (the late Baden) Ash of Victoria. Sophie was predeceased by brothers: John, Francis and infant brother Wilson. Sisters: Minnie Louise Snow, Margaret! Penney, Lillian Baxtram and Louise Burden. Funeral service took place on Oct. 10, 2003 in the Chapel at Mount Pleasant Cemetery officiated by son-in-law Rev. Douglas Crump. Interment followed at Mount Pleasant Cemetery. October 31, 2003 BURKE, Andrew (Andy) Joseph (RCAF Ret.) - Passed away peacefully on October 30 at his home in Calgary at age 69 in the presence of his family, after a courageous battle with cancer. Predeceased by his parents Andrew and Elizabeth, brothers Michael and Cyril and sister Molly. Leaving to mourn five children: Brenda, Michael, Patrick, Andrea, and Lori and their mother Margaret as well as four grandchildren; Shawn, Steven, Jessica and Corey. Brothers; Denis (Elizabeth), John (Gladys) and Edward and one sister Elizabeth Murphy. Sisters-in-Law; Helen and Lorraine Burke. Cremation will take place in Calgary. No flowers by request. Donations to Andy`s memory may be forwarded to any local SPCA. October 31, 2003 EARLE, Madalene (Blake) - Passed peacefully away at the Central Regional Hospital, Grand Falls-Windsor, on October 29th, 2003, Madalene Earle (Blake) in her 73rd year. Predeceased by husband Harry Earle; parents Herbert and Nellie Blake (Oake); sister-in-law Janet Hori (Earle); brother-in-law Malcolm Earle. Left with loving memories are daughters: Jean (George) White of Grand Falls-Windsor, Christine (Philip) Lingard of Bishop`s Falls, Kathryn (Kenneth) Slaney of Gander; brother Lloyd Blake (Nadene) of Twillingate; grandchildren: Annette (White) and husband Neil Walsh, Susan (White) and husband Peter Keough, Jason Lingard and friend Sherry Nippard, Jeffrey and Justin Lingard, Christopher and Katie Slaney; nieces and nephews: Roslyn Blake, Jocelyn Bath, Betty Pardy, John Earle, Robert, David, Bill Miller and Sarah Pynn; also a large circle of relatives and friends. Funeral service Saturday, November 1st, 2003 at 1:00 p.m. from Fraser Road United Church, Gander. Interment in U! nited Church Cemetery, Grand Falls-Windsor. Donations may be made in her memory to the Crohn`s & Colitis Foundation of Canada. Thanks to Edith Burt, friend and cousin, for spending time and caring for her during her illness. It is with great sadness that we say good bye to our mother. She was a tower of strength, in control at all times and will be dearly missed. We will cherish our memories and hold her in our hearts forever. Arrangements through Stacey`s Funeral Home, Gander. October 31, 2003 FILLIER, Jean Lillian (Hunt) 1941 - 2003- Passed away at Sudbury Regional Hospital - Laurentian Site, October 13, 2003. Predeceased by husband Les, 1981; Parents: Paul and Susie Hunt of Long Pond, Manuels; brothers: Jack and Robert; sister-in-law Edith; nephew: Michael. Leaving to mourn loving partner Ernie St. Jean of Garson; children: Debbie Soucy of Oshawa, Gregory (Renée) of Val Caron and Lisa (Mark Baker) of Oshawa; nine grandchildren; sisters: Lenora (Lloyd), Carol (Eddie), Glenys (Bobby); sister-in-law Ruth; brothers: Don (Valma), Bill, Gord (Esther), Ray (Sherry), Wayne (Peggy), Wade (Susan), Terry (Yvonne). Sadly missed by nieces and nephews and a large circle of friends. Funeral took place October 16 on her 62nd birthday. ³She was truly loved and will be dearly missed.² October 31, 2003 FOLEY, Agnes (Greene) - Passed away suddenly at Fogo Island Hospital, Fogo on Sunday, October 19th, 2003, aged 80 years. Predeceased by husband Herbert and brother Edward. Leaving to mourn: five sons, Kevin (Johanna) Whitby, Ont ; Clarence (Phyllis) Gander, NL ; Gerard (Darlene) Tilting, NL; Gary, Gander, NL; Gordon (Adriana) Whitby, Ont; Seven Daughters, Bridget Bowen (Jerome) Gander, NL; Mary Shepherd, Lower Sackville, NS; Claire Hurley (Martin) Tilting, NL; Laura Marsh (Derek), Gander, NL; Judy Freake (Neil) Faro, Yukon; Patricia Sharron (Wayne) Mount Pearl, NL; Maxine Roberts (Tony) Bedford NS; one brother, Daniel Greene, Tilting, special nephew, Patrick Greene, Tilting, Twenty- six Grandchildren and Three Great-grandchildren and many close relatives and friends. Funeral mass took place at 2:30 p.m. on Tuesday, October 21st at St. Patrick`s Church, Tilting with Fr. John and Fr. Kevin Barker Celebrating. Interment at RC Cemetery, Tilting. Donations may be made to Heart an! d Stroke Foundation. October 31, 2003 GREENING, Willis - Passed peacefully away at Bonavista Hospital on Wednesday, October 29, 2003, Willis Greening of Musgravetown, aged 94 years. Predeceased by his wife Gladys, 1992. Leaving to mourn his sisters: Ella Matthews and Myrtus Little; sister-in-law Cave Greening and a large number of nieces, nephews, relatives and friends. Resting at Fewer`s Funeral Home, Lethbridge. Funeral service 2:00 p.m. Friday, October 31, 2003 from Heritage United Church, Musgravetown with interment at United Church Cemetery, Musgravetown. As expressions of sympathy, donations in his memory gratefully accepted to United Church Cemetery Fund, Musgravetown. October 31, 2003 HISCOCK, Caroline - Passed away suddenly but peacefully at her home in Trinity, T.B. on Friday, October 31, 2003, Carrie Hiscock aged 82 years. Leaving to mourn with fond and loving memories her husband of 60 years, Cyril, five sons: Douglas (Jean), Grand Falls; Harvey (Ruth), St. Philips; Ian (Cindy), Kamloops, BC; Ivan (Carey), Kamloops, BC; Neil (Wanda), Topsail; sisters: Esther Goldsworthy, Clarenville; Anita Pearce (Walter), St. John`s; sister-in-law Irene Douglas (John) Brewer, Maine, USA; fifteen grandchildren, ten great-grandchildren, other relatives and friends especially Helen (Jack) Bellows, Dunfield. Predeceased by her daughter and son-in-law Dorothy and William Walters. Resting at St. Paul`s Anglican Church, Trinity from where the funeral will take place at a time to be announced. Flowers gratefully accepted or donations in her memory may be made to St. Paul`s Anglican Church, Trinity, T.B. A0C 2S0. October 31, 2003 MURPHY, M. Evelyn (Kenny) - Passed peacefully away at St. Patrick`s Mercy Home on Wednesday, October 29, 2003, M. Evelyn Murphy of Renews, age 81 years. Predeceased by her husband Thomas; infant son Eugene; parents Walter and Ellen Mary; brothers: John, Andrew, Thomas, Austin and Neddy. Leaving to mourn her daughter Marilyn; son Rick (Cavelle); sister-in-law Bridget Kenny; brother-in-law Peter Murphy (Mildred); also a large circle of nieces, nephews, other relatives and friends. Remains resting at Fahey`s Funeral Home, Fermeuse. Visitation Friday, October 31 from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. Mass of Christian Burial on Saturday, November 1st at 10:30 a.m. from Holy Apostle`s Church, Renews. Interment at Holy Apostle`s Cemetery. October 31, 2003 O`BRIEN, Kevin (Kenny) - Passed peacefully away at the Palliative Care Unit, after a brief illness on Friday, October 31, 2003, age 65 years. Leaving to mourn his brothers: Michael, Joe, Pat and Don; sisters: Catherine, Trix and Maureen, as well as many nieces, nephews, other relatives and friends. Cremation has taken place. Visitation at Caul`s Funeral Home, LeMarchant Road on Sunday, November 2, 2003 from 2 p.m. - 5 p.m. and 7 p.m. - 9 p.m. Funeral service on Monday, November 3, 2003 at 10:30 a.m. from Caul`s Chapel. Inurnment to follow at Belvedere Cemetery. Flowers gratefully accepted or donations in his memory may be made to a charity of one`s choice. October 31, 2003 READER, Ronald Boyde - Passed away suddenly at his residence in Chatham, Ont., age 74, born in Bloomfield, NL. Leaving to mourn daughters: Carol and Diane; son: Ronald John of Ontario; four grandchildren: John, Olivia, Evelyn and Jessica; one brother: William Reader; two sisters: Elva Cave Greening and Faith House; a large number of relatives in Newfoundland. October 31, 2003 SIBLEY (Groves), Marion - Died peacefully on October 24, 2003 in North Bay, ON. A victim of Alzheimer`s Disease, she will be lovingly remembered and missed by best friend and husband Arthur, son John (wife Jeanette, sons Steven and Scott); daughter Anne Chopra (husband Anurag, daughters Amy and Sophie), sister Erna Gard and extended family and friends. Cremation has taken place. A memorial gathering and interment will be held in St. John`s at a later date. Donations to the Alzheimer`s Society in her memory would be appreciated. Mom, we love you and miss you. May you rest in peace. October 31, 2003 SMITH, Levi Clifford - (retired Master Warrant Officer). On October 28, 2003. In his 64th year. Passed away peacefully after a courageous battle with cancer. Beloved husband of Louise (Beaton); loving father of Tina (Rob). Poppy will be sadly missed by Jessica. Devoted son of Daphne and the late Azariah Smith of Spaniard`s Bay, NL. Dearest brother of Don (Louise), Azariah (Joan), Gordon (Nancy), Sylvia, David (Beverly) and the late Clyde. Uncle Cliff will be sadly missed by his many nieces and nephews. Cremation has taken place. He wished to be remembered as he was. Memorial donations may be made to Oakville Trafalgar Memorial Hospital. October 31, 2003