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Hi Carolyn, I was calling the parish office this morning anyway so I asked the secretary to check the Petty Harbour records for your father. I live in the Goulds which is the closest neighbouring community and same parish as Petty Harbour. I'll let you know this afternoon if she finds anything. Raelene -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour Hello Carolyn, Brigus is in Conception Bay North , and there is an area of Brigus that was known as Goulds, which is a totally different area than Goulds which lies near Petty Harbour. Brigus is next to Cupids, the place where John Guy set up his colony in 1610, and very near to Port de Grave which lies to the north of Brigus. Regards, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Murray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour > No, they definitely lived in Fox Harbour but his Mom, Anastasia was from > Gould's Rd, Brigus and I think maybe in July, she was home visiting her > mom when my dad was born. > >>>> [email protected] 01/09/2007 9:46 PM >>> > In Labrador there was a Petty Harbour next to the community of Fox > Harbour > which is known today as St. Lewis. I don't suppose your ancestor was > from > Labrador? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "martin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour > > >> Hi Carolyn, >> Petty Hr is a community a few miles south of St. John's just below > Cape >> Spear. >> Hope this helps. >> Martin >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Carolyn Murray" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:26 PM >> Subject: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour >> >> >>> I've just discovered that my dad may have been born in Petty Harbour > and >>> lived in Fox Harbour. I don't see Petty Harbour listed in 1921 > census >>> for Placentia Bay. Can anyone help me on this? Roderick J. > Murray, >>> Birth: 10 Jul 1907, Fox Harbour, NF and Death: 1 Nov 1951, > Winthrop, >>> MA, USA >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are wonderful, thank you! Carolyn >>> [email protected] 01/10/2007 7:56 AM >>> Hi Carolyn, I was calling the parish office this morning anyway so I asked the secretary to check the Petty Harbour records for your father. I live in the Goulds which is the closest neighbouring community and same parish as Petty Harbour. I'll let you know this afternoon if she finds anything. Raelene -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour Hello Carolyn, Brigus is in Conception Bay North , and there is an area of Brigus that was known as Goulds, which is a totally different area than Goulds which lies near Petty Harbour. Brigus is next to Cupids, the place where John Guy set up his colony in 1610, and very near to Port de Grave which lies to the north of Brigus. Regards, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Murray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour > No, they definitely lived in Fox Harbour but his Mom, Anastasia was from > Gould's Rd, Brigus and I think maybe in July, she was home visiting her > mom when my dad was born. > >>>> [email protected] 01/09/2007 9:46 PM >>> > In Labrador there was a Petty Harbour next to the community of Fox > Harbour > which is known today as St. Lewis. I don't suppose your ancestor was > from > Labrador? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "martin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour > > >> Hi Carolyn, >> Petty Hr is a community a few miles south of St. John's just below > Cape >> Spear. >> Hope this helps. >> Martin >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Carolyn Murray" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:26 PM >> Subject: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour >> >> >>> I've just discovered that my dad may have been born in Petty Harbour > and >>> lived in Fox Harbour. I don't see Petty Harbour listed in 1921 > census >>> for Placentia Bay. Can anyone help me on this? Roderick J. > Murray, >>> Birth: 10 Jul 1907, Fox Harbour, NF and Death: 1 Nov 1951, > Winthrop, >>> MA, USA >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Carolyn, Brigus is in Conception Bay North , and there is an area of Brigus that was known as Goulds, which is a totally different area than Goulds which lies near Petty Harbour. Brigus is next to Cupids, the place where John Guy set up his colony in 1610, and very near to Port de Grave which lies to the north of Brigus. Regards, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Murray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour > No, they definitely lived in Fox Harbour but his Mom, Anastasia was from > Gould's Rd, Brigus and I think maybe in July, she was home visiting her > mom when my dad was born. > >>>> [email protected] 01/09/2007 9:46 PM >>> > In Labrador there was a Petty Harbour next to the community of Fox > Harbour > which is known today as St. Lewis. I don't suppose your ancestor was > from > Labrador? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "martin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour > > >> Hi Carolyn, >> Petty Hr is a community a few miles south of St. John's just below > Cape >> Spear. >> Hope this helps. >> Martin >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Carolyn Murray" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:26 PM >> Subject: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour >> >> >>> I've just discovered that my dad may have been born in Petty Harbour > and >>> lived in Fox Harbour. I don't see Petty Harbour listed in 1921 > census >>> for Placentia Bay. Can anyone help me on this? Roderick J. > Murray, >>> Birth: 10 Jul 1907, Fox Harbour, NF and Death: 1 Nov 1951, > Winthrop, >>> MA, USA >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Randy - here's what I thought: My dad and family/Murray definitely lived in Fox Harbour but his Mom, Anastasia was from Gould's Rd, Brigus. Maybe in July, she was home visiting her mom when my dad was born. I found the USA 1930 census where he stated for Immigration that he was born in Petty Harbour. Carolyn >>> [email protected] 01/10/2007 7:26 AM >>> Hello Carolyn, Brigus is in Conception Bay North , and there is an area of Brigus that was known as Goulds, which is a totally different area than Goulds which lies near Petty Harbour. Brigus is next to Cupids, the place where John Guy set up his colony in 1610, and very near to Port de Grave which lies to the north of Brigus. Regards, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Murray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour > No, they definitely lived in Fox Harbour but his Mom, Anastasia was from > Gould's Rd, Brigus and I think maybe in July, she was home visiting her > mom when my dad was born. > >>>> [email protected] 01/09/2007 9:46 PM >>> > In Labrador there was a Petty Harbour next to the community of Fox > Harbour > which is known today as St. Lewis. I don't suppose your ancestor was > from > Labrador? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "martin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour > > >> Hi Carolyn, >> Petty Hr is a community a few miles south of St. John's just below > Cape >> Spear. >> Hope this helps. >> Martin >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Carolyn Murray" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:26 PM >> Subject: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour >> >> >>> I've just discovered that my dad may have been born in Petty Harbour > and >>> lived in Fox Harbour. I don't see Petty Harbour listed in 1921 > census >>> for Placentia Bay. Can anyone help me on this? Roderick J. > Murray, >>> Birth: 10 Jul 1907, Fox Harbour, NF and Death: 1 Nov 1951, > Winthrop, >>> MA, USA >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No, they definitely lived in Fox Harbour but his Mom, Anastasia was from Gould's Rd, Brigus and I think maybe in July, she was home visiting her mom when my dad was born. >>> [email protected] 01/09/2007 9:46 PM >>> In Labrador there was a Petty Harbour next to the community of Fox Harbour which is known today as St. Lewis. I don't suppose your ancestor was from Labrador? ----- Original Message ----- From: "martin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour > Hi Carolyn, > Petty Hr is a community a few miles south of St. John's just below Cape > Spear. > Hope this helps. > Martin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn Murray" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:26 PM > Subject: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour > > >> I've just discovered that my dad may have been born in Petty Harbour and >> lived in Fox Harbour. I don't see Petty Harbour listed in 1921 census >> for Placentia Bay. Can anyone help me on this? Roderick J. Murray, >> Birth: 10 Jul 1907, Fox Harbour, NF and Death: 1 Nov 1951, Winthrop, >> MA, USA >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In Labrador there was a Petty Harbour next to the community of Fox Harbour which is known today as St. Lewis. I don't suppose your ancestor was from Labrador? ----- Original Message ----- From: "martin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour > Hi Carolyn, > Petty Hr is a community a few miles south of St. John's just below Cape > Spear. > Hope this helps. > Martin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn Murray" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:26 PM > Subject: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour > > >> I've just discovered that my dad may have been born in Petty Harbour and >> lived in Fox Harbour. I don't see Petty Harbour listed in 1921 census >> for Placentia Bay. Can anyone help me on this? Roderick J. Murray, >> Birth: 10 Jul 1907, Fox Harbour, NF and Death: 1 Nov 1951, Winthrop, >> MA, USA >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

2-3 miles south of St. John's. In St. John's West district maybe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Murray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:26 PM Subject: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour > I've just discovered that my dad may have been born in Petty Harbour and > lived in Fox Harbour. I don't see Petty Harbour listed in 1921 census > for Placentia Bay. Can anyone help me on this? Roderick J. Murray, > Birth: 10 Jul 1907, Fox Harbour, NF and Death: 1 Nov 1951, Winthrop, > MA, USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carolyn, Petty Hr is a community a few miles south of St. John's just below Cape Spear. Hope this helps. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Murray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:26 PM Subject: [NFLD-LAB] Petty Harbour > I've just discovered that my dad may have been born in Petty Harbour and > lived in Fox Harbour. I don't see Petty Harbour listed in 1921 census > for Placentia Bay. Can anyone help me on this? Roderick J. Murray, > Birth: 10 Jul 1907, Fox Harbour, NF and Death: 1 Nov 1951, Winthrop, > MA, USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've just discovered that my dad may have been born in Petty Harbour and lived in Fox Harbour. I don't see Petty Harbour listed in 1921 census for Placentia Bay. Can anyone help me on this? Roderick J. Murray, Birth: 10 Jul 1907, Fox Harbour, NF and Death: 1 Nov 1951, Winthrop, MA, USA

Hi Margaret, There are families with the surname FRANCIS in Hermitage in Hermitage Bay.... Tom -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Vincent M Dicks Sent: January 9, 2007 12:59 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NFLD-LAB] Lovell's Directory Margaret, I have been researching my numerous relatives on the Burin Peninsula by visiting with current relatives and area parishes and graveyards. The name Francis is not one I have seen with any frequency. Try contacting Wilson Dicks at [email protected] who lives in the next town over from Port au Bras. He might be helpful. Margaret Murray <[email protected]> wrote: Hello, Vince: I'm looking for family of Albert Ambrose Francis whose sister Eliza (Bennett) Dibbon lived at Port au Bras in 1924. Has anyone come across the Francis name? Francis and Bennett do not add up. Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/619 - Release Date: 07/01/07

Margaret, I have been researching my numerous relatives on the Burin Peninsula by visiting with current relatives and area parishes and graveyards. The name Francis is not one I have seen with any frequency. Try contacting Wilson Dicks at [email protected] who lives in the next town over from Port au Bras. He might be helpful. Margaret Murray <[email protected]> wrote: Hello, Vince: I'm looking for family of Albert Ambrose Francis whose sister Eliza (Bennett) Dibbon lived at Port au Bras in 1924. Has anyone come across the Francis name? Francis and Bennett do not add up. Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

The following is an excerpt from the Dictionary of Canadian Biography.The entire article can be found at, _http://www.biographi.ca/EN/ShowBio.asp?BioId=41773_ (http://www.biographi.ca/EN/ShowBio.asp?BioId=41773) PILOT, WILLIAM, Church of England clergyman, educator, and writer; b. 30 Dec. 1841 in Bristol, England, son of Thomas Pilot and Ann Flook; m. 4 Oct. 1870 Agnes Elizabeth Whiteway Wakeham, niece of William Vallance Whiteway*, in St John’s, and they had two sons and two daughters; grandfather of the artist Robert Wakeham Pilot; d. 25 Sept. 1913 in St John’s. The school life of the children of fishing families, who made up the great majority of Newfoundland’s population, was disrupted by the custom of putting children as young as six years to work in the fishery. The low and broken attendance that resulted distressed Pilot, who ascribed it to the apathy of parents, without fully realizing the economic necessity which motivated them. He persistently, but unsuccessfully, urged upon government the need for free and compulsory education. He was more successful in advocating standard readers and the provision of maps, globes, blackboards, and other school facilities.

Hello, Vince: I'm looking for family of Albert Ambrose Francis whose sister Eliza (Bennett) Dibbon lived at Port au Bras in 1924. Has anyone come across the Francis name? Francis and Bennett do not add up. Margaret

Au contraire Vince. In those days what we know as high school was unavailable in most Newfoundland outports. Boys usually quit school and fished with their families after a few years of primary schooling. Girls stayed in school longer. However it is doubtful that they would have been included in directories, such as Lovell's, until they were at least 18. Matt > Jim, having numerous relatives listed on the 1871 Lovell's, I will only > state that they were all adult men. In my opinion, you would be correct to > assume that young children would not be listed as such. In those years, > schooling was mandatory and supported by the community. Families who > fished for thier livlihood most likely had young boys on such outings for > training or simple pleasure. Good hunting. > > Vince Dicks, decendant of the Burin Peninsula. > > [email protected] wrote: > Would anyone know how old a person would have to be to be listed as a > fisherman in Lovell's 1871 Directory? Some children would not be very old > to go fishing back then. > > Thanks > Jim > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Would anyone know how old a person would have to be to be listed as a fisherman in Lovell's 1871 Directory? Some children would not be very old to go fishing back then. Thanks Jim

Hi Cindy So far there isn't a connection but maybe your Jacques Beaudoin could be my Julie Beaudoin's brother since Julie would have been born between 1800 and 1810. I have no dates for Julie nor her parents and siblings. I have hit a brickwall with her and her husband Jean Giroux. I have been trying to find information on this couple for years and nothing came up. Let me know if Jacques has any siblings that may match Julie's. Our Beaudoin families may be connected if I can find any dates or places for Julie. Julie >From: <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: [NFLD-LAB] Giroux/Beaudoin >Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 8:24:47 -0500 > >Julie, > >I have an ancestor named Mary Ann Beaudoin, who lived in the Blanc Sablon >area of what is today the Lower North shoreof Quebec. ibelieve she was the >daughter of Jacques Beaudoin and Marie Roalsie Letourneau. I haven't been >able to locate a baptism record, but I believe she would have been born in >the 1840s or 50s. Any connections? > >Cindy > > > > Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:32:53 -0500 > > From: "Julie Michaud" <[email protected]> > > Subject: [NFLD-LAB] Giroux/Beaudoin > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > > > Looking for any information on Jean Giroux and his wife Julie Beaudoin. > > There daughter Virginia Giroux married Aug 6, 1873 in Kegaska, North >Shore, > > Labrador to Dosithee Deraspe (DeRapp). > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message