Hi Connie, The contact person for our "Type 'H' " NEWTON DNA participant suggests descent from Timothy such that the line goes through William Mortimer Newton, grandson of Timothy, and who was born in 1829. With the birthdates of Timothy, and the William B. Newton intervening Timothy and above William Mortimer unknown, it can't be known whether this is possible or not. But you can play with generation times to see if it is plausible. It also depends on the accuracy of the 1756 estimate for Roswell. It would require 3 generations in a row with average generation of less than 25 years per generation. I think this is a little unlikely, statistically. But it certainly isn't impossible. But more to the point, the DNA works, and the geography goes along with that. Type H is a good match (24 of 25 markers identical) to our type "J" that derives from the large family of Richard Newton of Sudbury, Mass. I would be pretty surprised if the existing type H participant did not descend one way or another from this Richard Newton. But as far as the paper evidence, I am afraid I know nearly zilch. One thing that is good about having so many "J" types is that some of them have tested a lot of markers. So it may be possible in the case of "J", and even "J"-like NEWTONs (such as "H") that we can not only prove (more or less) that one descends from a particular person, but we should be able to make educated guesses on which branch WITHIN the tree from which one descends. Of course that relies on lots of samples, and most/all of them testing a lot of markers. Best, Gregg Constance Ruffley <sarawick@pacbell.net> wrote: While looking at the Newton DNA Project, I noticed Node H for Timothy Newton, d. 1843, Wesleyville, Erie Co., PA. It is possible that this Timothy Newton is the son of Roswell Newton (b. ca. 1756, MA) and (dont' have my genealogy in front of me) is the brother of Roswell (b. ca 1790), Wayrum (b. ca. 1791), John, and Naomi Newton - all of whom were born in Massachusetts. Roswell (b. ca. 1790, m. Abigail Loomis), Wayrum (m. Celia LNU), Timothy, and John left Hampden, MA and migrated to Erie Co., PA in the early 1800's (see Fed. Census Records, Erie Co., PA, 1810), and, then into to Crawford co., PA (see Fed. Census Records, Crawford co., PA, 1820). Roswell Newton and Abigail (Loomis) Newton had a daughter Nancy through whom I am descend. Connie Sloan Ruffley Gregg Bonner wrote: Hi Folks, Recently we got a second sample tested from John Newton (23 Jan 1772 - 14 Oct 1847) of Lawrence County, Pennsylvania. It agreed with the first sample, and the new participant descends from a different son of John than the existing participant which means that the assignment of DNA type should be robust. So now we can add this John Newton (1772-1847) to the list of NEWTON men for which we have a klind of "DNA litmus test" for. In the future, anyone with unknown heritage my use this assignment and a DNA test for themselves to see if they have descent from this family. Moreover, perhaps, is that since the DNA type is known, it makes a solid baseline by which to compare other groups which may come along. Interestingly, the DNA matches another sample in our NEWTON group who descends from William Field Newton, whose ancestry traces (according to some) back to George Newton of Norfolk, Virginia. It may be that this Virginia line gave rise to this Pennsylvania line. My opinion is that this is an unusual migration pattern, given the counties involved. But since it would have been immediately pre-revolution...well, there were a lot of things going on. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/newtondna/ Best, Gregg Bonner NEWTON Surname DNA Project Group Administrator --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.

It seems to me that it is unlikely that Timothy and Roswell were brothers even though they both lived in Erie, PA. Timothy's DNA indicates he was descended from Richard Newton of Sudbury, he was very likely the son of David and Miriam (Smith)Newton who was born in Paxton, MA on 17 Mar 1774. David's ancestry is Uriah, Joseph, Joseph and Richard. Roswell, on the other hand, is descended from the Groton, CT Newtons, his ancestry is Roswell Sr., Ebenezer and Samuel who married Ruth Spicer. Samuel is probably the son of John and Mehitable Newton, whose birth is recorded in Boston records on 23 Jan 1678. Unfortunately, none of Samuel's descendants have had their DNA tested , so we can't be sure his DNA was not identical to that of Richard, but there is indication they were related so it seems unlikely.. Steve Newton --- Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Connie, > > The contact person for our "Type 'H' " NEWTON DNA > participant suggests descent from Timothy such that > the line goes through William Mortimer Newton, > grandson of Timothy, and who was born in 1829. With > the birthdates of Timothy, and the William B. Newton > intervening Timothy and above William Mortimer > unknown, it can't be known whether this is possible > or not. But you can play with generation times to > see if it is plausible. It also depends on the > accuracy of the 1756 estimate for Roswell. It would > require 3 generations in a row with average > generation of less than 25 years per generation. I > think this is a little unlikely, statistically. But > it certainly isn't impossible. > > But more to the point, the DNA works, and the > geography goes along with that. Type H is a good > match (24 of 25 markers identical) to our type "J" > that derives from the large family of Richard Newton > of Sudbury, Mass. I would be pretty surprised if the > existing type H participant did not descend one way > or another from this Richard Newton. > > But as far as the paper evidence, I am afraid I > know nearly zilch. > > One thing that is good about having so many "J" > types is that some of them have tested a lot of > markers. So it may be possible in the case of "J", > and even "J"-like NEWTONs (such as "H") that we can > not only prove (more or less) that one descends from > a particular person, but we should be able to make > educated guesses on which branch WITHIN the tree > from which one descends. Of course that relies on > lots of samples, and most/all of them testing a lot > of markers. > > Best, > > Gregg > > > Constance Ruffley <sarawick@pacbell.net> wrote: > While looking at the Newton DNA Project, I noticed > Node H for Timothy Newton, d. 1843, Wesleyville, > Erie Co., PA. > > It is possible that this Timothy Newton is the son > of Roswell Newton (b. ca. 1756, MA) and (dont' have > my genealogy in front of me) is the brother of > Roswell (b. ca 1790), Wayrum (b. ca. 1791), John, > and Naomi Newton - all of whom were born in > Massachusetts. > > Roswell (b. ca. 1790, m. Abigail Loomis), Wayrum (m. > Celia LNU), Timothy, and John left Hampden, MA and > migrated to Erie Co., PA in the early 1800's (see > Fed. Census Records, Erie Co., PA, 1810), and, then > into to Crawford co., PA (see Fed. Census Records, > Crawford co., PA, 1820). > > Roswell Newton and Abigail (Loomis) Newton had a > daughter Nancy through whom I am descend. > > Connie Sloan Ruffley > > Gregg Bonner wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Recently we got a second sample tested from John > Newton (23 Jan 1772 - 14 Oct 1847) of Lawrence > County, Pennsylvania. It agreed with the first > sample, and the new participant descends from a > different son of John than the existing participant > which means that the assignment of DNA type should > be robust. > > So now we can add this John Newton (1772-1847) to > the list of NEWTON men for which we have a klind of > "DNA litmus test" for. In the future, anyone with > unknown heritage my use this assignment and a DNA > test for themselves to see if they have descent from > this family. > > Moreover, perhaps, is that since the DNA type is > known, it makes a solid baseline by which to compare > other groups which may come along. > > Interestingly, the DNA matches another sample in our > NEWTON group who descends from William Field Newton, > whose ancestry traces (according to some) back to > George Newton of Norfolk, Virginia. It may be that > this Virginia line gave rise to this Pennsylvania > line. My opinion is that this is an unusual > migration pattern, given the counties involved. But > since it would have been immediately > pre-revolution...well, there were a lot of things > going on. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/newtondna/ > > Best, > > Gregg Bonner > NEWTON Surname DNA Project Group Administrator > > > > --------------------------------- > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet > in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Dear Ones, I made a horrible mistake saying that Roswell Newton and Abigail (Loomis) were the parents of Nancy Newton. Roswell Newton and Abigail had Roswell b. ca. 1790, Wayrum, b. ca. 1792, Naomi, and, allegedly, Timothy and John. Roswell b. ca. 1790 was married to Phoebe Sutton, b. aft 1790, New Jersey, daughter of Benjamin Sutton and <Unknown>. The information about Phoebe's father was from an Estate Settlement in Crawford Co., PA ca. 1823. Roswell and Phoebe had several children, to wit: Roswell Moses Newton, Nancy (my ancestor, was married thrice), and Charles. Phoebe (Sutton) Newton is shown living with her son Charles in the 1870 Census. Right next door is Henry Newton who could be the younger brother of Charles. Contrary to Ancestry.com, Roswell Newton (b. ca. 1790) did not die in Switzerland, IN but Crawford Co., PA around 1832. NOTE: The Sutton, Peterson, and Abbot families in Crawford Co. came from New Jersey (and possibly the Taylor families). The men in those families changed their names from one family name to the other as most people change their underwear. In some of the Sutton, Peterson, Abbot families, there are brothers who have different surnames. A distant relative of mine has been wading through these names for years! A DNA project for these names in Crawford Co. would clear up a lot of problems. Connie Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Connie, The contact person for our "Type 'H' " NEWTON DNA participant suggests descent from Timothy such that the line goes through William Mortimer Newton, grandson of Timothy, and who was born in 1829. With the birthdates of Timothy, and the William B. Newton intervening Timothy and above William Mortimer unknown, it can't be known whether this is possible or not. But you can play with generation times to see if it is plausible. It also depends on the accuracy of the 1756 estimate for Roswell. It would require 3 generations in a row with average generation of less than 25 years per generation. I think this is a little unlikely, statistically. But it certainly isn't impossible. But more to the point, the DNA works, and the geography goes along with that. Type H is a good match (24 of 25 markers identical) to our type "J" that derives from the large family of Richard Newton of Sudbury, Mass. I would be pretty surprised if the existing type H participant did not descend one way or another from this Richard Newton. But as far as the paper evidence, I am afraid I know nearly zilch. One thing that is good about having so many "J" types is that some of them have tested a lot of markers. So it may be possible in the case of "J", and even "J"-like NEWTONs (such as "H") that we can not only prove (more or less) that one descends from a particular person, but we should be able to make educated guesses on which branch WITHIN the tree from which one descends. Of course that relies on lots of samples, and most/all of them testing a lot of markers. Best, Gregg Constance Ruffley wrote: While looking at the Newton DNA Project, I noticed Node H for Timothy Newton, d. 1843, Wesleyville, Erie Co., PA. It is possible that this Timothy Newton is the son of Roswell Newton (b. ca. 1756, MA) and (dont' have my genealogy in front of me) is the brother of Roswell (b. ca 1790), Wayrum (b. ca. 1791), John, and Naomi Newton - all of whom were born in Massachusetts. Roswell (b. ca. 1790, m. Abigail Loomis), Wayrum (m. Celia LNU), Timothy, and John left Hampden, MA and migrated to Erie Co., PA in the early 1800's (see Fed. Census Records, Erie Co., PA, 1810), and, then into to Crawford co., PA (see Fed. Census Records, Crawford co., PA, 1820). Roswell Newton and Abigail (Loomis) Newton had a daughter Nancy through whom I am descend. Connie Sloan Ruffley