I don't usually include most of the mail in the digest but most of the below mails are about John and Mary Mitchell Newton and Naomi. You guys that say the below info is wrong. Please, can you provide proof such as estate papers including wills and documents, etc so we can see the proof/evidence of what you found. If what y'all are saying, then my files are all wrong and I want to fix them but need the proof. I know many folks including my daughter Cindy Teel got their info from somewhere and wander where folks like her got it if you say it is wrong???? Please reply to me at otime1@yahoo.com David Payne newton-request@rootsweb.com wrote: From: "David S. Payne" <otime1@yahoo.com> To: newton@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:27:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John and Mary Mitchell (Naomi) Newton Gregg, I think that title may have been amended by someone other than Isaac Newton. That is the way it was sent it to me. I will have to do some checking to find just who added that "son of John and Mary Mitchell (Naomi) Newton" to the document. I only have a transcribed document of this so I would love to see the original too. I will attach what I have to you soon. They are on my other computer. Now, getting back to the Mary Mitchell and Naomi thing. From all the info I have seen, I am beginning to believe that Mary and Naomi must have married two different John Newtons as Naomi had a child in 1797 and John died at least 10 years before that, right? DAVE From: "David S. Payne" <otime1@yahoo.com> To: newton@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:47:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John and Mary Mitchell (Naomi) Newton The below info was found in some files that my daughter got from Gordon Parks a long while ago. I don't know much about the estate of this John. Does anyone have the estate papers of this John Newton and/or others? Since our info says John Newton that m. Mary Mitchell died in 1787, his estate should have been administrated earlier than 1799 or at least started before that. I am wandering if the below estate papers is talking about a different John Newton that m. Naomi as she had a baby in 1797. So her John must have died in 1799? Also I understand that Mary Mitchell Newton is still living in 1840. I believe we have two John Newtons mixed up. This happened so many times while "little old ladies" were applying to the DAR and left out generations. This info from Gordon Parks (e-mail glparks@frontiernet.net). "In Edgefield C ounty, SC estate papers in Apartment 43 package 1785 the estate papers of joh Newton. On 11 March 1799 Naomi Newton, Amos Richardson and Rafeal (?) Wilson were made administrators of John Newton's estate. Naomi made her mark and the others signed." "On 11 March 1799 four men were ordered that all or at least three of them inventory the estate within 90 days. This was completed on 1 June 1799. The sale took place 1 October 1799 by William Johnston, crier. "Neomy Nuten" was the only family member to purchase at the sale. She purchased among other items, a mare, flax wheel and cards and sow. The most expensive item sold was a hogshead of tobacco for 40 pounds of sterling. The entire estate sold for about 139 sterling. Gordon said he cannot find Naomi after this." From: Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com> To: newton@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:47:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John and Mary Mitchell (Naomi) Newton Hi Dave, I don't know. In cases like this, I just look to see if it resolves at WorldConnect. In this case it is quite clear that some people think that this John Newton died 11 Nov 1787, and others think he died 11 Nov 1799. I don't know where either of these dates come from. Best, Gregg From: LYNDON NIX <warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net> To: newton@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:40:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John and Mary Mitchell (Naomi) Newton Mary Mitchell Newton and Naomi maiden name unknown married the same man, who was John Newton. Gay Nix "David S. Payne" wrote: Gregg, I think that title may have been amended by someone other than Isaac Newton. That is the way it was sent it to me. I will have to do some checking to find just who added that "son of John and Mary Mitchell (Naomi) Newton" to the document. I only have a transcribed document of this so I would love to see the original too. I will attach what I have to you soon. They are on my other computer. Now, getting back to the Mary Mitchell and Naomi thing. From all the info I have seen, I am beginning to believe that Mary and Naomi must have married two different John Newtons as Naomi had a child in 1797 and John died at least 10 years before that, right? DAVE From: LYNDON NIX <warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net> To: newton@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:57:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John and Mary Mitchell (Naomi) Newton David, Who told you that Mary may have had a middle name? I don't know how many times I have told this, but I am the one who started calling Mary, Mary Naomi, I'm the culprit, and I guess this will haunt me till I die. I started that in the 1960's. Like I have stated before, I started my genealogy 38 years ago, and was confused at Carrie Newton Wright's statement in the Boddie Book about John and Naomi. At that time period when Carrie went into the DAR, she went in on John and stated his wife was Naomi, now after the book was published, the Travel and Religious Experience Of Isaac Newton was found in possession of Nora Cantrell, the original, which the top had been brittle and torn with age, it said son of John and Mary Newton, I do not know who ended up with this priceless documentation. But Miss Annie Lee Boggs who lived in Pendleton, South Carolina typed what it said leaving off what had been torn at the top of the page. This was done in the 1960's I have a copy of that one which was done back in the 1960's, if you have the one that someone added Naomi to it, then yours would be fake. What I am also trying to make myself clear on is that Carrie Newton Wright never knew that her ancestor was Mary Mitchell and not Naomi, like she claimed, I don't believe she ever knew that new evidence had surfaced. If my memory serves me right she was in her late 80's,when she was interested in her Newton family. Her son was a Doctor in Ala, when I last heard from her, she said her son was going to put a stop to her genealogy, because she would get to excited over letters and etc, so I quit writting to her, she had moved in with him. Now to make things worse and I do take the blame for this also. I sent a family group sheet to Gail Andrews with information about her family, by mistake I had not changed the data on John Newton's family group sheet and it still said Mary Naomi Newton. Then Gail not knowing it was incorrect sent it out all over the internet, she sent it to Cindy Teel, who had a web page and published it on her sight. David Payne told me that Cindy was his daughter, and she no longer maintains the sight, so he took over the web page for her. which I'm sure is a full time job. David, Mary Mitchell Newton died in the 1790's are right after 1790 census. Then he married Naomi, sorry to say, South Carolina wasn't required to record marriages in that time frame. Naomi after John died, left and went to Tenn and ended up in Mo where she died. I have lots of info on that family, but Ernest should be able to tell you what you need to know about that side of the family, because he descends from Larkin. Now where do you get that John died in 1787? What happened to the data I sent you, I thought it was pretty well documented. Estate papers say 1799. John Newton's son Isaac writes in his Travels that he and his father John went to Va in 1798, he is alive and well other than he did have rheumatism. David have you had the time to correct Henry's wife's name to Nancy Davidson and not Glass? Gay Nix 1526 W. Hull st Denison, Texas 75020 Please feel free to call are write me. Phone: 903-465-7964 "David S. Payne" wrote: Bryan, Gay, Ernest, and Helen, On the John Newton that married Mary Mitchell and Naomi????? I heard that Mary's middle name may have been Naomi. Since Mary didn't die till 1841 in Newton, MO, either Naomi married John first or he divorced Mary???? Or is that Naomi that died in 1841 in MO? John died in 1787 so he couldn't have sired a child in 1794. Do you think there may have been another John Newton that married that Naomi Mitchell?, Richardson?, or what ever her name was? I am beginning to believe that Mary Mitchell was also Naomi. What do y'all think? Also this is on the title of Isaac Newton's article THE TRAVEL & RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE OF Isaac Newton, son of John and Mary Naomi Mitchell Newton Check my websites at bottom of this mail. DAVE From: LYNDON NIX To: Ernest Young , newton@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:59:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [NEWTON] Newton Family Genealogy Book Ernest, We know that Isaac Mitchell had a will and named his children, and grandchildren and etc, there was no mention of Naomi listed in this will, she was still living when will was made, so do not think she was a sister to Mary. The only children John had with Mary was William, Henry and Isaac. I don't know who the females were in 1790, perhaps children from Naomi are females born to Mary, not sure when John married Naomi. Gay Nix From: "Mae Cox" <mae@coxok.com> To: <newton@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:48:30 -0600 Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John and Mary Mitchell (Naomi) Newton Well said, Gay. It's hard to believe that, as many times as you've given this information out, some folks still haven't grasped what you've told them. Another thing too.... Is the confusion on John Newton being in the Revolutionary War. Many folks still have the two combined into the same person.... I see that Cindy Teel has a memo/email posted there where someone is trying to get into the SAR/DAR on Sgt. John Newton's service when they are of our John Newton lineage. Folks... Listen up! John Newton born bet.1740-50 and died abt 1799, is NOT, and I repeat... Is NOT the Sgt. John Newton hero (b. 1755, d. 1780). Sgt. Newton died of smallpox at 25 years of age on a ship. Our John Newton was still alive and having kids at that time! Mae Cox in Oklahoma John > Henry > Isaac Mitchell > Jasper 'Jap' > Flora -----Original Message----- From: newton-bounces@rootsweb.com [ mailto:newton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LYNDON NIX Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:58 PM To: newton@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John and Mary Mitchell (Naomi) Newton David, Who told you that Mary may have had a middle name? I don't know how many times I have told this, but I am the one who started calling Mary, Mary Naomi, I'm the culprit, and I guess this will haunt me till I die. I started that in the 1960's. --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.