My descent is from George Newton, RS, (1742-1782) of New Hanover Co., NC, and Ann "Nancy" Moore (1750 - 1830), through their son, Isaac Newton (1770-1825) and Elizabeth Alderman (1778-1848), through their son, William (Isaac*) Newton (1809-1857) and Margaret Ann Stringfield (1810-1870), through their son, George Fennell Newton (1841 - 1922) and Julia Ann Elvina Norman (1848 - 1918), through their son, Joseph Milton Newton (1880 - 1965) and Martha Idella Monk (1884 - 1916), through their son, Isaac Lamar Newton (1910 - 1980). [I am the sister of Raymond C. Newton, who participated in the Newton DNA project.] Many, many people get the information regarding MY George Newton, RS, and the information about a George Newton of Orange Co., NC, mixed up........even people in my own line! I hope this might help differentiate the two men. The following is what my research shows, regarding the George Newton of Orange Co., NC: Frequently, the information regarding THIS George Newton, RS, (of New Hanover County, NC) is confused with that of another George Newton, who might have served in the Revolutionary War. THE OTHER George Newton was born December 1765, in Shrewsbury District, York, Pennsylvania, son of Ebenezer Newton. That family moved to North Carolina before the Revolution and sold some land in Mecklenburg County in 1774. In 1778, THAT George Newton took an oath of allegiance to North Carolina; some evidence suggests that he served in the war. THAT George Newton married Mary McCall/McCaule in Orange County, North Carolina, in 1794; she died in 1828. He married second Ann (maiden name unknown), who died in 1831. He married third Helen M. (maiden name unknown) before December 1833. THAT George Newton died 4 December 1840, in Shelbyville, Tennessee. Source: *Dictionary of North Carolina Biography Volume IV L-O* by William S. Powell, 1991; pg 368. George Newton, RS, husband of Ann "Nancy" Moore, never lived in Orange County, North Carolina. The Administration Bond, New Hanover County, North Carolina, of Ann Newton, dated 2 July 1782, proves that George Newton, RS, Ann's husband, died shortly before that date in New Hanover County. [The death date on his grave marker is in error. JNT] *The middle name of William, son of Isaac Newton and Elizabeth Alderman, has been handed down through the family, though no public document has been found, showing his full name of "William Isaac Newton"........I have searched diligently for such a public document, but have never found it! The full name of "William Isaac Newton" has been a verbal transmittal from his son, George Fennell Newton, to his grandson, Joseph Milton Newton, to his great-grandson, my father, Isaac Lamar Newton. Janice Newton Thurmond On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Julia (et al.), > > The patriarch George Newton about whom I spoke in my last message appears > to have married Ann "Nancy" Moore. Without knowing more about the George > Newton you reference, I can't tell if they are the same, but they appear to > NOT be the same to me. > > The George Newton I am talking about had a son named Isaac who married > Elizabeth Alderman, according to the descent claims that were given to me > by the participant(s). He also had a son named George who married Mary > Robinson. > > The earlier Isaac I mention married Jemima Chambers. > > You can see more information by going to the project website, and clicking > on the various claimed descents of the participants as shown in the results > table and patriarchs table for those with nodes M, O or O2 (but not O1), W, > and Z. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gbonner/newtondna/ > > Best, > > Gregg > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Ryden Julia <juryden@gmail.com> > >To: Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com>; newton@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:12 AM > >Subject: Re: [NEWTON] Duplin Co., NC / Hanover Co., NC DNA > > > > > >I have a George Newton born in Essex Co., VA relocated to Meck., VA > >and thence (according to land records) to Orange, NC > >This George had a son named Isaac (according to his will, his widow's > >land deal, and her will in Tennessee of 1822). > > > >Are these two totally separate lines? > >I am one of the researchers for the Gale Shelton Newton line. > >Judy Ryden > > > >We cannot change the direction of the wind... > >but we can adjust our sails. > > > >juryden@gmail.com > >oneinchto12@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > >On Apr 15, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Gregg Bonner wrote: > > > >> Hi Folks, > >> > >> Some time ago, I gave an opinion about whether one George Newton (1742) > and one Isaac Newton (1735) of subject location may be brothers, saying > negative, and that based on the 12 marker results, they are too genetically > remote from each other. However, additional markers tested for both lines > pretty much all match. So that causes me to change my mind and say that > based on the DNA, they could be brothers. Of course they could also be 1st > cousins or something else. > >> > >> One of our existing participants suggested to me that his line should > be considered equivalently to George/Isaac (Abraham 1760), and after > looking at the numbers agree that (based on DNA and geography and name) it > should probably be considered to be grouped together with the existing > group that is composed of nodes M,O/O2,W. His node is Z, so that is now > nodes M,O/O2,W,Z. The node names and new common descent claims did not > change. > >> > >> > >> The interesting thing about it is that it makes a prediction, based on > the placements of the mutations in the M,O/O2,W,Z group. It also brings up > an issue again about the names of the kids of Isaac, the son of the above > George. Some say he had a child named William Isaac, and another named > Isaac Milton. It troubled me that someone would name two sons Isaac, and > after having looked at it, I can't find where the Isaac in William Isaac > occurs, and I can't find where the Milton in Isaac Milton occurs, such that > it seems to me that they should just be called Isaac (1822) and William > (1809). And that's good, because that means they are distinguishable. > >> > >> > >> But I digress...the mutations are arranged in such a way that it > predicts Isaac Milton would be more likely a descendant of Isaac (1735) (or > some yet-to-be-discovered Newton man) than of George (1742). Remember, this > is based on the arrangement of the mutations alone. Whether the above is > plausible considering other information, I don't know. It also implies that > the 4th marker distinguishes the two lines (George versus Isaac). If you > are an 11 on that marker, then you are from George; if you are a 10 on that > marker, then you are of Isaac. Only testing of more men from these lines > will tell if that is really the case. > >> > >> > >> But in any case, it would be a pretty odd thing to happen to have two > different lines representing the same mutation, not only in the marker ID, > but also in its magnitude and direction. Mutations by themselves are rare, > identical mutations in the same tree are very rare. > >> > >> Finally, the data support the notion that Abraham (1760) was part of > this same Newton family. > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Gregg Bonner > >> Newton Surname DNA Project Group Administrator > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wow. I've been working on the George Newton of Orange Co., NC for the last 4 years and have heard NONE of the below: This is only possibly my line as my cousin, Gale Shelton NEWTON Jr.'s DNA matches a line in Mecklenburg Co., VA. and people who are alive and have memories of the line back to William Henry NEWTON (belw). It begins with LIVING NEWTON b. 1942 s/o Raymond Blanks NEWTON b. 1907 of Mecklenburg Co., VA s/o Henry Bailey NEWTON b. 1884 of Mecklenburg Co., VA s/o William Henry NEWTON b 1854 of Mecklenburg Co., VA s/o Henry James NEWTON b 1824 of Mecklenburg Co., VA s/o William NEWTON b 1800 of Mecklenburg Co., VA s/o Robert NEWTON b 1760 of Lunenburg County, VA (before it was split) This Robert had two brothers, George and Henry. All were sons of Henry NEWTON III This George, according to my research, was the man who sold land in Mecklenburg County, VA, and within months bought land in the very north part of what was then Orange Co., NC (now 5 counties). This George was born in St Anne's Parish, Essex County, VA After his birth, the family moved from Essex Co., to Lunenburg where the younger children in the family were born. As an adult, George sold his inherited land in VA and bought land in Orange, NC and married Mary RIGGS. The research which takes this line to THIS George Newton was done by Erline Hudson among others. I went through and verified all of the line from Erline's father back to William NEWTON b. 1800. I am taking the word of others for the father of William, Robert Newton and that fact that Robert had brothers Henry and George. Land records appear to confirm the relationship. This George, who died in 1801, had a will leaving everything to his wife and children. Mary and son, Isaac, sold their land in: Orange NC Deed Book 12-002 21 Aug 1805 Isaac Newton & his mother Mary Newton, widow of George Newton, decd, to William Cain, Jr., indebted to William Cain & David Ray, merchants, being his 104ac, James Newtons 9th parts undivided interest on Little River etc. They, along with some other of George's children are found in Robertson County, TN where Mary died in 1822. She named her children in her will, and I took the records from there and researched this line in Robertson County, TN So, wow, have I done all of this going down the wrong road? Judy Ryden We cannot change the direction of the wind... but we can adjust our sails. juryden@gmail.com oneinchto12@yahoo.com On Apr 22, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Janice Newton Thurmond wrote: > The following is what my research shows, regarding the George Newton of > Orange Co., NC: > > Frequently, the information regarding THIS George Newton, RS, (of New > Hanover County, NC) is confused with that of another George Newton, who > might have served in the Revolutionary War. THE OTHER George Newton was > born December 1765, in Shrewsbury District, York, Pennsylvania, son of > Ebenezer Newton. That family moved to North Carolina before the Revolution > and sold some land in Mecklenburg County in 1774. In 1778, THAT George > Newton took an oath of allegiance to North Carolina; some evidence suggests > that he served in the war. THAT George Newton married Mary McCall/McCaule > in Orange County, North Carolina, in 1794; she died in 1828. He married > second Ann (maiden name unknown), who died in 1831. He married third Helen > M. (maiden name unknown) before December 1833. THAT George Newton died 4 > December 1840, in Shelbyville, Tennessee. Source: *Dictionary of North > Carolina Biography Volume IV L-O* by William S. Powell, 1991; pg 368. >