Hi Folks, I don't have much/any additional insight above what Greg has already said. A few things should be noted when analyzing the results of the DNA Project, and what I say about it, as it applies to this issue. 1a. I've done no real research on the "paper" genealogy of this/these lines. So what do I know? Probably not much. 1b. When I look at the claimed descents, I mostly just use WorldConnect. 2. If you look 'everywhere' on the internet, there is probably not any Newton line anywhere that is not connected by someone (erroneously or not) to the Newtons of Barr's Court, or Sir Isaac Newton, or even Henry of Essex. So it is important that the claimed descents be true, if the DNA results are to be interpreted correctly. But one thing is certain - it is not possible for BOTH the Node I folks AND the Node T folks to descend from the same patriarch within the last...say ten thousand years. But that does not mean that Node I could not descend from Henry of Essex. And it doesn't mean that Node T could not descend from Henry of Essex. It only means that they could not BOTH descend from him. And, of course, it could be that neither descend from him. The only way to know for sure is to get a bona fide sample from Henry of Essex and test it. But how could anyone ever be certain that the sample is bona fide? I am representing at the Project 3 samples derived from John Newton m. Mary Mitchell. One is from son William. One is from son Henry's son Isaac Mitchell Newton (there was some claim by others that this was a different Isaac, but I lean towards the way I have represented it; that's why it appears that way). And one is from son Larkin (who others claim is not a son...but his DNA does match). There is another Node T person who has never replied to my e-mails, so I don't know his claimed descent. And finally, there is a Node T who matches Giles Newton. Having claimed descents from 2 sons (William, b. 1774 and Henry, b. 1771) that match DNA is more or less the Grail Standard for these kinds of things. People don't claim shared descents and match DNA by pure chance. So I am very confident that John Mitchell who married Mary Mitchell would indeed be Node T if he himself could be tested. Node I isn't so clear to me. The two participants don't claim (as far as I know) shared descent (but their DNA matches, so it is probably back there somewhere). And they don't even claim descent from Henry of Essex as far as I know. That connection is only claimed by 3rd parties, and, as I say, could be in error. All I know (or think I know) about those descents I included as URLs in my last message. I don't see any reason that there could not have been two Henry Newtons in Lunenberg/Mecklenburg both born in the 1720s...one a Node I, and one a Node T. Best, Gregg --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Greg Newton <gnewton004@comcast.net> wrote: > From: Greg Newton <gnewton004@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [NEWTON] DNA v.49 NEWTONs of St. James Parish (VA) & Robert H.Newton (m. Martha Carlton Rowe) > To: newton@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 1:41 PM > Gay, > > According to the DNA of those two Newton's (on Node I), > they are not even a > close relationship to the Newton/Mitchell family (Node T). > > Gregg Bonner may be able to offer further insight. > > cheers, > > Greg Newton > Houston, Texas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LYNDON NIX" <warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net> > To: <newton@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: [NEWTON] DNA v.49 NEWTONs of St. James Parish > (VA) & Robert > H.Newton (m. Martha Carlton Rowe) > > > > Would be interested in the two men who match with the > Newton's in the > > counties mentioned. > > Are they of my line? John Newton and wife Mary > (Mitchell) Newton of South > > Carolina? > > Gay Nix > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Could we presume (I guess we can 'presume' anything, huh?), that Giles and John Newton were brothers? Monty Newton >>> Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com> 5/11/2010 7:05 PM >>> Hi Folks, I don't have much/any additional insight above what Greg has already said. A few things should be noted when analyzing the results of the DNA Project, and what I say about it, as it applies to this issue. 1a. I've done no real research on the "paper" genealogy of this/these lines. So what do I know? Probably not much. 1b. When I look at the claimed descents, I mostly just use WorldConnect. 2. If you look 'everywhere' on the internet, there is probably not any Newton line anywhere that is not connected by someone (erroneously or not) to the Newtons of Barr's Court, or Sir Isaac Newton, or even Henry of Essex. So it is important that the claimed descents be true, if the DNA results are to be interpreted correctly. But one thing is certain - it is not possible for BOTH the Node I folks AND the Node T folks to descend from the same patriarch within the last...say ten thousand years. But that does not mean that Node I could not descend from Henry of Essex. And it doesn't mean that Node T could not descend from Henry of Essex. It only means that they could not BOTH descend from him. And, of course, it could be that neither descend from him. The only way to know for sure is to get a bona fide sample from Henry of Essex and test it. But how could anyone ever be certain that the sample is bona fide? I am representing at the Project 3 samples derived from John Newton m. Mary Mitchell. One is from son William. One is from son Henry's son Isaac Mitchell Newton (there was some claim by others that this was a different Isaac, but I lean towards the way I have represented it; that's why it appears that way). And one is from son Larkin (who others claim is not a son...but his DNA does match). There is another Node T person who has never replied to my e-mails, so I don't know his claimed descent. And finally, there is a Node T who matches Giles Newton. Having claimed descents from 2 sons (William, b. 1774 and Henry, b. 1771) that match DNA is more or less the Grail Standard for these kinds of things. People don't claim shared descents and match DNA by pure chance. So I am very confident that John Mitchell who married Mary Mitchell would indeed be Node T if he himself could be tested. Node I isn't so clear to me. The two participants don't claim (as far as I know) shared descent (but their DNA matches, so it is probably back there somewhere). And they don't even claim descent from Henry of Essex as far as I know. That connection is only claimed by 3rd parties, and, as I say, could be in error. All I know (or think I know) about those descents I included as URLs in my last message. I don't see any reason that there could not have been two Henry Newtons in Lunenberg/Mecklenburg both born in the 1720s...one a Node I, and one a Node T. Best, Gregg --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Greg Newton <gnewton004@comcast.net> wrote: > From: Greg Newton <gnewton004@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [NEWTON] DNA v.49 NEWTONs of St. James Parish (VA) & Robert H.Newton (m. Martha Carlton Rowe) > To: newton@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 1:41 PM > Gay, > > According to the DNA of those two Newton's (on Node I), > they are not even a > close relationship to the Newton/Mitchell family (Node T). > > Gregg Bonner may be able to offer further insight. > > cheers, > > Greg Newton > Houston, Texas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LYNDON NIX" <warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net> > To: <newton@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: [NEWTON] DNA v.49 NEWTONs of St. James Parish > (VA) & Robert > H.Newton (m. Martha Carlton Rowe) > > > > Would be interested in the two men who match with the > Newton's in the > > counties mentioned. > > Are they of my line? John Newton and wife Mary > (Mitchell) Newton of South > > Carolina? > > Gay Nix > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message