Gregg, Yep, it is me (#17715). And, yes, you should change my e-mail address on both sites. I hadn't noticed that that addy has been 'dead' for several years now. gnewton004@comcast.net Sadly, you'll not need to change the names on my Descent page. John C. Newton is still as far back as I;ve been able to verify. cheers, Greg Newton 20 Pinedale #1 Houston, Texas 77006 USA