Won't be able to make it but hope you have great fun! Whitwell Newton Middleton Tennessee, USA In a message dated 7/23/2010 7:59:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jbh@bordernet.com.au writes: I have just received word from Bob Newton that there is another big function at Yarram the weekend of our reunion (2 & 3 October 2010) and that people should book accommodation as soon as possible. John Howe jbh@bordernet.com.au Dear descendant of Edward Thomas Newton and Elizabeth Martin, The October 2-3 date for the Newton Family reunion is now drawing near and it may be wise to book accommodation. I have confirmation from about 40 people, but it would be handy for others to confirm attendance with John Howe or myself to aid in the preparation of name tags and family tree displays. The weekend is mostly unstructured, allowing time to look around the Alberton cemetery where some graves will be marked, to visit sites of interest marked on a map of the area and to join in self-organised smaller family groups for a Saturday evening meal and for Sunday brunch. On Saturday morning and early afternoon there is an opportunity to gather and look at the Family Bible of Edward Thomas Newton the second and at other family tree information in the Pelican Room of the Shire of Wellington Yarram library. We hope everyone will be able to attend a joint picnic in the adjacent Yarram Park from midday on, Saturday. Programme Saturday 9am Those with displays meet to set up at Pelican Room, library, rear of Shire Offices, 156 Grant St, Yarram. Turn in from Main St at DSE building. Parking at rear or front. 10am Drop in to view Family Bible and displays, Pelican Room. Tea and coffee facilities. Pelican room has plaque of Shire Presidents with Edward Thomas's name on it and ex Alberton council tables. Adjacent to park (for picnic) and toilets. Yarram Park 12 Midday BYO picnic BBQ Yarram Park, Main St. Three shelter area, playground and 2 free electric bbqs 6 picnic tables. Opposite Club Hotel. 4pm Dismantle displays etc Pelican Room 5pm Close Pelican Room 7pm Join other family groups for meal eg. at Glasshouse Restaurant, Yarram Club Hotel. Pre-booking necessary. I have booked two tables at the Glasshouse, so please ring 0437573586 if you wish to be included on one of these. Options for group meals listed below. Glass house Club Hotel Yarram .can seat up to 150. Good menu, half serves available and Seniors roast $10-$22. Wine $5-6 glass. Attractive venue, need to book a couple of weeks ahead. Wild Fish Restaurant Port Albert wharf. Excellent menu (2 veg options), location, Main course $25-33 can squeeze 90 in (Book early). Port Albert Hotel seats 161 Bar meals $10-$15, lounge $18-$25. Good size meals surf and turf etc. Good view from bar, old photos and mounted stag in bar. Yarram Bowling Club may have meals too. Sunday 3rd October Self-organised brunch Possible venues: Coffee Palace or Bakery, Yarram; General Store, Port Albert. Self directed tours of cemetery and local area. Accommodation Camping Grounds Lions Club Camping (basic) Port Albert Racing Club Tarra Valley Caravan Park 51861283 Yarram Rosebank Tourist Park 51825063 Port Albert Seabank Caravan Park 51832315 Illawong Lodge by the Sea 97520533 B & B Blithe Spirit 51832399 Rodondo 51832653 Anglers Arms and Fishermen's Cottages Ph 98906623 Hotel Motels Port Albert Hotel (7 rooms taking up to 5 in each) $55 single, $75 double, & $30 pp. Ph 51832212 Tarra Motel (24 rooms) double $86-$94 Ph 51825444 Commercial Hotel Motel, Yarram Ph 51825419 Yarram Club Hotel (53 rooms, 11 double ($40), Single ($30) shared bathrooms Ph 51825027. Places of Interest Information Centre - old Yarram Courthouse. Open Sat and Sun 10am -4pm. Booklet and obituaries for sale. Melva James 03 51825806 can also provide you with Obituaries for $10 an hour search from the Gippsland Yarram Standard up to 1940. Telephone or email mf.james@datafast.net.au Port Albert Race Course - historic site opened before Melbourne Cup in 1851 (not operating now but Rotary runs as camp site). Very attractive drive in though thick undergrowth, big attractive trees and race course. Close to cemetery and Port Albert, but sandflies can be a problem. Port Albert Maritime Museum $5 Tarra-Bulga National Park A reminder. The reunion is for the descendants of: Edward Thomas NEWTON was born in England. (John Howe now believes he was born on 28th Nov 1813, baptised on 26th Dec 1813 in the parish of St George in The East, Tower Hamlets, County of Middlesex (London). Son of Thomas Edward & Sarah NEWTON. Abode: Ratcliff Highway. Father's Trade: Slop Seller (working aprons, clothes etc). He came to Tasmania in the early 1830s before coming to Victoria where he was living at Melbourne in 1837 to 1843. He moved to Alberton in the South Gippsland district of Victoria in 1843, where he died in 1882. To see more about this family check out John's website "John Howe's Genealogy" http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/home/jhgen/web/index.html If you are a descendant please contact John Howe, jbh@bordernet.com.au " Please give an indication of your intention to attend with Janice Newton 8 Fincham St Mt Pleasant 3350, janice.newton@live.com or Mobile Phone: 0437573586 or with John Howe jbh@bordernet.com.au Janice Newton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi!  Are these Newtons descendants of the Matthew Newton's from Connecticut from colonial days? Regards, Scott Scott Bill Hirst 20 Maple Court Ashaway,RI 02804-1300 USA (401)377-4643 Note:Telephone if you need quick reply. --- On Sat, 7/24/10, Midcntr@aol.com <Midcntr@aol.com> wrote: From: Midcntr@aol.com <Midcntr@aol.com> Subject: Re: [NEWTON] NEWTON family reunion at Yarram To: newton@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 8:02 AM Won't be able to make it but hope you have great fun! Whitwell Newton Middleton Tennessee, USA In a message dated 7/23/2010 7:59:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  jbh@bordernet.com.au writes: I have  just received word from Bob Newton that there is another big function at  Yarram the weekend of our reunion (2 & 3 October 2010) and that people  should book accommodation as soon as possible. John Howe  jbh@bordernet.com.au Dear descendant of Edward Thomas Newton and  Elizabeth Martin, The October 2-3 date for the Newton Family reunion  is now drawing near and it may be wise to book accommodation. I have  confirmation from about 40 people, but it would be handy for others to confirm  attendance with John Howe or myself to aid in the preparation of name tags and  family tree displays. The weekend is mostly unstructured, allowing time  to look around the Alberton cemetery where some graves will be marked, to  visit sites of interest marked on a map of the area and to join in  self-organised smaller family groups for a Saturday evening meal and for  Sunday brunch. On Saturday morning and early afternoon there is an opportunity  to gather and look at the Family Bible of Edward Thomas Newton the second and  at other family tree information in the Pelican Room of the Shire of  Wellington Yarram library. We hope everyone will be able to attend a joint  picnic in the adjacent Yarram Park from midday on,  Saturday. Programme Saturday 9am Those with displays meet  to set up at Pelican Room, library, rear of Shire Offices, 156 Grant St,  Yarram. Turn in from Main St at DSE building. Parking at rear or  front. 10am Drop in to view Family Bible and displays, Pelican Room.  Tea and coffee facilities. Pelican room has plaque of Shire Presidents  with Edward Thomas's name on it and ex Alberton council tables. Adjacent to  park (for picnic) and toilets. Yarram Park 12 Midday BYO picnic  BBQ Yarram Park, Main St. Three shelter area, playground and 2 free  electric bbqs 6 picnic tables. Opposite Club Hotel. 4pm Dismantle  displays etc Pelican Room 5pm Close Pelican Room 7pm Join other  family groups for meal eg. at Glasshouse Restaurant, Yarram Club Hotel.  Pre-booking necessary. I have booked two tables at the Glasshouse, so please  ring 0437573586 if you wish to be included on one of these. Options for group  meals listed below. Glass house Club Hotel Yarram .can seat up to 150.  Good menu, half serves available and Seniors roast $10-$22. Wine $5-6 glass.  Attractive venue, need to book a couple of weeks ahead. Wild  Fish Restaurant Port Albert wharf. Excellent menu (2 veg options), location,  Main course $25-33 can squeeze 90 in (Book early). Port Albert  Hotel seats 161 Bar meals $10-$15, lounge $18-$25. Good size meals surf and  turf etc. Good view from bar, old photos and mounted stag in  bar. Yarram Bowling Club may have meals too. Sunday 3rd  October Self-organised brunch Possible venues: Coffee Palace or  Bakery, Yarram; General Store, Port Albert. Self directed tours of  cemetery and local area. Accommodation Camping  Grounds Lions  Club Camping (basic) Port Albert Racing Club Tarra Valley Caravan Park  51861283 Yarram  Rosebank Tourist Park 51825063 Port Albert Seabank Caravan Park 51832315 Illawong Lodge by the Sea  97520533 B & B Blithe Spirit 51832399 Rodondo 51832653 Anglers Arms and Fishermen's Cottages Ph  98906623 Hotel Motels Port Albert Hotel (7 rooms taking up to 5  in each) $55 single, $75 double, & $30 pp. Ph 51832212 Tarra Motel (24 rooms) double  $86-$94  Ph 51825444 Commercial Hotel Motel, Yarram Ph 51825419 Yarram Club  Hotel (53 rooms, 11 double ($40), Single ($30) shared bathrooms Ph  51825027. Places of Interest Information Centre - old Yarram  Courthouse. Open Sat and Sun 10am -4pm. Booklet and obituaries for sale. Melva  James 03 51825806 can also provide you with Obituaries for $10 an hour search  from the Gippsland Yarram Standard up to 1940. Telephone or email  mf.james@datafast.net.au Port Albert Race Course - historic site opened  before Melbourne Cup in 1851 (not operating now but Rotary runs as camp site).  Very attractive drive in though thick undergrowth, big attractive trees and  race course. Close to cemetery and Port Albert, but sandflies can be a  problem. Port Albert Maritime Museum $5 Tarra-Bulga National  Park A reminder. The reunion is for the descendants of:  Edward Thomas NEWTON was born in England. (John Howe now believes he  was born on 28th Nov 1813, baptised on 26th Dec 1813 in the parish of St  George in The East, Tower Hamlets, County of Middlesex (London). Son of Thomas  Edward & Sarah NEWTON. Abode: Ratcliff Highway. Father's Trade: Slop  Seller (working aprons, clothes etc). He came to Tasmania in the early  1830s before coming to Victoria where he was living at Melbourne in 1837 to  1843. He moved to Alberton in the South Gippsland district of Victoria in  1843, where he died in 1882. To see more about this family check out  John's website "John Howe's Genealogy"  http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/home/jhgen/web/index.html If you are a descendant  please contact John Howe, jbh@bordernet.com.au  " Please give an  indication of your intention to attend with Janice Newton 8 Fincham St Mt  Pleasant 3350, janice.newton@live.com  or Mobile Phone: 0437573586 or  with John Howe jbh@bordernet.com.au Janice  Newton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some will have noted that in the past, the DNA project showed Node "U" for Bird Lanier Newton, whereas it showed Node "P" for Rev. John Newton (m. Keziah Dorsett). These two types of NEWTON DNA were disparate. This is surprising, considering that Bird Lanier Newton should be the grandson of Rev. John Newton. This disparity has evidently been resolved, thus:   A new participant whose descent is very likely through Bird Lanier Newton (#181395) has been tested, and matches the existing Node "P" NEWTONs. This rather proves that Bird Lanier Newton is the half-brother of John Lane Newton, or at very least demonstrates they are biological kin.   This creates another mystery, however. How is it that the two participants now in Node "U" do not match with the other Rev. John Newton descendants when it would seem their descent goes through Bird Lanier Newton? Both these DNA Project participants descend from one George Washington "Wash" Newton (1879-1940), who is the son of Philip D. Newton, who is son of Bird Lanier Newton.   It would appear (IMHO) that one (or more) of three things must be the case:   1. Wash Newton is not the biological son of Philip D. Newton (b. 1840). 2. Philip D. Newton is not the biological son of Bird Lanier Newton. 3. Philip D. Newton, the father of Wash Newton is not the same person as Philip D. Newton, the son of Bird Lanier Newton.   Bird Lanier Newton is now represented as part of Node "P", and Wash Newton as Node "U".   The main Project page remains here:   http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gbonner/newtondna/   Best,   Gregg Bonner NEWTON Surname DNA Project Group Administrator  

Chester is listed as a son of Eber in the book "Newton Genealogy" by Ermina Leonard pp755-756. Much of Leonard's book is based on personal correspondence so it may not be possible to find her sources. Steve Newton ________________________________ From: florence <fbroderick70@bloomer.net> To: NEWTON@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, July 11, 2010 3:10:17 PM Subject: [NEWTON] (no subject) My GGGrandfather was  Chester Newton, married to Melvina Gross in 1850/51 in Laport Ohio.  They lived in Oshkosh Wi until 1920's. His son Henry Newton is listed in the 1860 census with his siblings; Sylvia, William, Oradel, and Della. Henry's father, Chester was the son of  Eber Newton, b. 1799,m.Silvia Webber, abt. 1822/23. Also married Ann Post, in 1832. Eber's father was Dudley Newton, m.Salley Whitlaw. Dudley's father was Asahel Newton, m. married, Hannah Dietz, Delight Chapman and Versalle Booth. Asahel's father was Israel Newton, m.Hannah Butter. Israel's Father was James Newton, married Mary Hubbel. James's father was Thomas Newton,m ? Thomas's father was Abel Newton m. Joan Smith. Abel's father was Thomas Newton, m. Alice lived in Essex England. Chester's census record puts them in Friendship, Fond du Lac WI in 1860 census and his probable birth date as 1827.His marriage record in Laport Ohio does not list his parents and his father Eber does not show a child named C! hester as being born to Eber. Do I have the wrong ancesters for Chester. I have searched every census, family history file and website and cannot connect this dot.  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My GGGrandfather was Chester Newton, married to Melvina Gross in 1850/51 in Laport Ohio. They lived in Oshkosh Wi until 1920's. His son Henry Newton is listed in the 1860 census with his siblings; Sylvia, William, Oradel, and Della. Henry's father, Chester was the son of Eber Newton, b. 1799,m.Silvia Webber, abt. 1822/23. Also married Ann Post, in 1832. Eber's father was Dudley Newton, m.Salley Whitlaw. Dudley's father was Asahel Newton, m. married, Hannah Dietz, Delight Chapman and Versalle Booth. Asahel's father was Israel Newton, m.Hannah Butter. Israel's Father was James Newton, married Mary Hubbel. James's father was Thomas Newton,m ? Thomas's father was Abel Newton m. Joan Smith. Abel's father was Thomas Newton, m. Alice lived in Essex England. Chester's census record puts them in Friendship, Fond du Lac WI in 1860 census and his probable birth date as 1827.His marriage record in Laport Ohio does not list his parents and his father Eber does not show a child named Chester as being born to Eber. Do I have the wrong ancesters for Chester. I have searched every census, family history file and website and cannot connect this dot.

I've "rescued" two old photographs belonging to the DOLITTLE or DOOLITTLE Family of New York. The first is a photograph of George DOLITTLE which was taken at the T. Henry Black Studio in Jamestown, NY. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1880's or 1890's with George appearing to be in his teens at the time. In addition to his name, someone has written "son of Laura" on the back of the photograph. The second photograph is identified as Laura DOLITTLE, though there is not studio or location indicated the photograph appears to have been taken in the 1900's with Laura likely in her 50's at the time it was taken. Based on limited research I was able to gather the following information regarding this family: Laura Matilda NEWTON b. May 1847 in Crawford, PA to parents Amos B. NEWTON (b. about 1816 in Brattleboro, VT) and Maryanna ROSS. Laura married Ezra DOOLITTLE on 31 Dec 1868 in Jamestown, NY and died in 1917 in Kiantone, NY and is buried at the Ross Mills Cemetery in Ellicott, NY. George S. DOOLITTLE was b. about 1868 in Kiantone, NY to parents Ezra DOOLITTLE and Laura Matilda NEWTON. Census records provide the following information: 1870 census of Ellicott, NY: Ezra DOOLITTLE, age 30, a Farmer, born PA Laura M. DOOLITTLE, age 24, Keeps House, born NY 1880 census of Ellicott, NY: Laura DOOLITTLE, age 34, Keeping House, born NY, parents born VT/NY Mary B. DOOLITTLE, dau, age 8, born NY, parents born NY Geo S. DOOLITTLE, son, age 4, born NY, parents born NY Anna A. DOOLITTLE, dau, age 2, born NY, parents born NY George R. NEWTON, brother, age 27, a Farmer, born PA, parents born VT/NY Carra A. NEWTON, wife, age 20, Assists in Keeping House, born NY, parents born NY Maryann C. NEWTON, dau, age 10 months, born NY August Leife, age 21, domestic in house, born Sweden, parents born Sweden 1900 census of Jamestown, NY: Laura M. DOOLITTLE, age 54, born May 1846, a widow, 3 children/3 living, born NY, parents born VT/NY Amy A. DOOLITTLE, dau, age 22, born Feb 1878, born NY, parents born PA/NY, a Dressmaker Mary B. SMITH, dau, age 28, born Apr 1872, married 6 years, 2 children/2 living, born NY, parents born PA/NY, a Dressmaker William G. SMITH, son-in-law, age 31, born Oct 1868, married 6 years, born NY, parents born NY, a Grocery Clerk George W. SMITH, grandson, age 5, born Apr 1895, born NY, at School Paul D. SMITH, grandson, age 1, born Sept 1899, born NY And living directly next door George W. DOOLITTLE, age 25, born Nov 1874, married 2 years, born NY, parents born NY/PA, a Grocery Clerk May I. DOOLITTLE, wife, age 25, born Jun 1874, married 2 years, 1 child/1 living, born PA, parents born NY/PA Morgan C. DOOLITTLE, son, age 8 months, born Dec 1899, born NY 1910 census of Jamestown, NY: Laura M. DOOLITTLE, age 63, a widow, 3 children/3 living, born NY, parents born VT/NY, Own Income Amy A. DOOLITTLE, dau, age 32, born NY, parents born NY, a Lawyers Stenographer 1920 census of Jamestown, NY: George S. DOOLITTLE, age 43, born NY, parents born NY Ida May DOOLITTLE, wife, age 42, born PA, parents born NY/PA Morgan O. DOOLITTLE, son, age 20, born NY Richard N. DOOLITTLE, son, age 16, born NY Robert J. DOOLITTLE, son, age 7, born NY Mary E. ODELL, mother-in-law, age 83, a widow, born PA, parents born PA I am hoping to locate someone from this family so that the photographs can be returned to their care. If you are a member of this family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

I have two Robert NEWTONs of about the same age and both, I believe, connected to Orange Co., NC. One was most likely born there, but lived in Robertson Co., TN on the 1820 census [township, Springfield]. Head of Household: Robert NEWTON Free White Males under 10: 2 Free White Males 26 thru 44: 1 Free White Females under 10: 2 Free White Females 16 thru 25: 1 Free White Females 26 thru 44: 1 This is probably a young couple in their late 20s or early 30s with 4 children under 10 and a mother's helper. It is said that sons of George and Mary Riggs NEWTON emigrated from Orange Co., NC and went to TN. (see link to will below) ================================== Orange Co., NC was broken into several smaller counties, one being Person Co., NC Here is another possible son of George and Mary Riggs NEWTON who lived in Person County, North Carolina. Head of Household: Robert NEWTON Free White Males - Under 10: 3 Free White Males - 26 thru 44: 1 Free White Females - Under 10: 2 Free White Females - 16 thru 25: 1 Here is a young family with 5 children under 10, a mother and father in their late 20s. Both Roberts cannot be the son of George and Mary Riggs NEWTON. Do any of you have any documents which could clarify which Robert Newton is son to George and Mary? Take a look at the will of Mary Newton (I believe this may be Mary [Riggs] NEWTON because it indicates she is the widow of George] recorded in 1822 in Robertson Co., Tennessee, which I transcribed and posted on the USGenWeb site. http://www.tngenweb.org/robertson/court/willnewtonmary.html Here is the problem with the Robert NEWTON in TN. The same family is apparently on the 1830 Census but has moved by 1840. There are several "Robert NEWTON" households on the 1840 Census: 3 in Tennessee, some in Missouri, Arkansas, Georgia..., so I cannot tell much about the Robert who lived in Robertson Co., TN. Judy Ryden We cannot change the direction of the wind... but we can adjust our sails. juryden@gmail.com oneinchto12@yahoo.com

I have transcribed 5 wills of Newtons who lived in Robertson County, Tennessee and came there from Orange County, North Carolina. They are now published on the following website: http://www.tngenweb.org/robertson/court/wills.html Anyone who wants copies of the originals... I have jpgs of all of them but not all the pages that show the wills being proved up on. Judy Ryden We cannot change the direction of the wind... but we can adjust our sails. juryden@gmail.com oneinchto12@yahoo.com

A milestone for the NEWTON Surname DNA Project: Volume 50! Reporting results from participant who claims descent from subject. Participant has no matches yet, and is thus representing a node all by himself for now - node 32. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gbonner/newtondna/ Best, Gregg Bonner NEWTON Surname DNA Project Group Administrator

Wish to connect with descendants of Charles Augustus Newton b. 1810, d.abt 1864. Married to Sarah Ann Minor, he was the father of 5 daughters and one son. According to information I have the son died without issue. He and Sarah lived in Virginia in the general vicinity of Alexandria .

Hi Gregg and Merle, I am trying to get help from sisters/female first cousins to these Newton males before the Newton Family Reunion at Wheatland, Missouri on May 29th. I sent them the link to Newton DNA main page that you referred to. I have printed two copies of the main web page of the DNA project to take along with me on the trip to Missouri. Vivian On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Vivian, > > If you believe there will be men there who descend from Israel along the > all-male line, then I would suggest that you order a kit from FTDNA and take > it there with you and sample the person who you think has the most likely > legitimate claim of descent from him, and offer to pay for the cost of the > lab work. > > I realize it's very easy for me to spend your money for you :) > > I would also just print off a copy of the DNA Project's main page and take > that with you. Show any potential recruits how DNA has already sorted out > many of these families. Tell them that they may match existing samples with > long pedigrees, or at worst, that they will at very least EXCLUDE many > families from consideration, which is also useful. > > The main page is here: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gbonner/newtondna/<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Egbonner/newtondna/> > > Cheers, > > Gregg > > > --- On Sun, 5/9/10, Vivian Kessler <vivian.kessler@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Vivian Kessler <vivian.kessler@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [NEWTON] DNA Vol.48: Sheffield/Matthew Newton (RI/CT) > > To: newton@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 7:59 AM > > Merle and Gregg, > > > > I'm a female in the Newton line descending from Israel > > Newton in Missouri, > > and Merle and I correspond through ancestry.com messaging. > > Do either of you > > have suggestions for trying to convince Newton males of > > Israel's line to > > participate in the DNA Surname DNA Project? I'll be > > attending a Newton > > family reunion this month and would like to go armed with > > some information. > > > > Thanks, > > Vivian Kessler in South Carolina > > > > > > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Merle Newton <merlenewton@mac.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Big news in my family search, Gregg, I learned this > > week I'm not related to > > > Israel Newton in Mo. but instead Abraham Jr. in Henry > > Co. Tennessee. There > > > are two William C Newtons listed. One connected > > with Israel and the other > > > is mine. The william C connected to Israel died > > in Mo, my William C. lived > > > on in Kansas. Does that change anything in your > > study? > > > > > > > > > On May 8, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Gregg Bonner wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > > > Reporting the latest from the NEWTON Surname DNA > > Project. The following > > > patriarchs have matching DNA: > > > > > > > > N1 1 NEWTON, Sheffield > > > > Born: circa 1820, Rhode Island > > > > > > > > N1 1 NEWTON, Matthew > > > > Born: circa 1690, England. > > > > Married: circa 1720, Mary Tefft, Stonington, > > Connecticut. > > > > Died: circa 1720, Stonington, Connecticut. > > > > > > > > More information can be found at the Project > > webpages: > > > > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gbonner/newtondna/<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Egbonner/newtondna/> > <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Egbonner/newtondna/> > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Gregg Bonner > > > > NEWTON Surname DNA Project Group Administrator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > >

Hi Folks, I have just done a minor update of the NEWTON Surname DNA Project webpages. The principle changes are: 1. Added the two "Node 'I'" patriarchs to the patriarchs table; Added an entry into the DYS values (results) table to reflect the data from the one Node I person who has thus far consented to my adding his data to said tables. Note that the other Node "I" person's contact e-mail bounces, so I may never be able to add his data properly. 2. Revised "Node 'Z'" information to reflect the changes indicated as discussed on this list recently. 3. Began including in the patriarchs table the reference# of the participants of each respective node, rather than just a number reflecting just how many descendants of the specific patriarch have been tested. This way, someone looking at the patriarchs table can just click each (kit) number to see the claimed descent of the various descendants, rather than having to hunt down the matching node in the DYS values table one-by-one, and then clicking the links from there. This will be ongoing...only nodes I and Z are done this way at present. Best, Gregg Bonner NEWTON Surname DNA Project Group Administrator

What i found is at best tentative. A connection between Robertson Co., TN, Newtons and Mecklenburg Co., VA, Newtons. I found a land deal where an Albert RIggs and a George Newton sold land to John Newton in 1824. This John is my best guess for the father of my Robert Henry Newton. Now, according to another researcher in Mecklenburg Co., VA, a George Newton b. 1740 married a Mary Riggs. She had a brother who had a son named Albert Riggs. I've traced my Newtons back to Robertson Co., TN and no further. IF (and that is a big "IF") John Newton is the father of my Robert Henry NEWTON and this much younger George is a brother or cousin, and Albert Riggs is a cousin from the maternal side of the family, then I've found a link. You can see how tentative that is and the time frame is a bit wonky also. I have a lot of work to do to PROVE any connection. Judy Ryden On May 13, 2010, at 10:14 18 AM, LYNDON NIX wrote: > Julia, > I would very much like to see what you have found and how you connect to those Newton's. > Gay Nix > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ryden Julia <juryden@gmail.com> > To: newton@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 4:33:56 PM > Subject: Re: [NEWTON] Node "I" > > Great news. I believe I have found the link between > the two men in Node "I". > > I am currently in Robertson Co., TN and have spent > the day in their archives. I've found strong evidence > for a link between two brothers who came from > Mecklenburg Co., VA in the 1700s. Each is an ancestors > of the DNA contributors. > > I hope they give consent to having their lines published. > I also hope this leads to the discovery of other links. > > On May 12, 2010, at 9:16 31 AM, Gregg Bonner wrote: > >> Node "I" isn't in the Patriarchs table, but you will find it in the DYS values table. The reason I haven't entered the data there (like I have for the other nodes) is because neither member of the node has given me consent to publish their data yet. That's also why the "I" entry in the data table just says "Private", with no link, rather than a link to the DNA donor's page showing his claimed descent. I usually update all 3 at the same time once I get consent. But in this case, I suppose I should add those two patriarchs to the table, since it is still useful information, and wouldn't violate privacy to add. And of course I could add another "Private" entry to the DYS table to represent the other member as placeholder. >> >> As fas as John and Giles - one cannot conclude that they are brothers from the DNA alone. These markers mutate slowly, so even 4th cousins should match. All that can be said is that they almost certainly share a common patriarch within the genealogically relevant timeframe (i.e., subsequent to the widespread adoption of surnames). Take a look at those members of Node "J" or "27"...many of them are 6th cousins or more remote, and they still match. >> >> Best, >> >> Gregg >> >> >> --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Monty Newton <monty.newton@rrc.state.tx.us> wrote: >> >>> From: Monty Newton <monty.newton@rrc.state.tx.us> >>> Subject: Re: [NEWTON] Node "I" versus Node "T" - errata >>> To: newton@rootsweb.com, "Gregg Bonner" <greggbonner@yahoo.com> >>> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:58 AM >>> What is this Node "I"? It >>> isn't on the results table on the DNA project website. >>> there is a J27 that follows H. >>> thanks >>> Monty Newton >>> >>>>>> Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com> >>> 5/11/2010 7:16 PM >>> >>> In my last e-mail, I said: >>> >>> "So I am very confident that John Mitchell who married Mary >>> Mitchell would indeed be Node T if he himself could be >>> tested." >>> >>> Of course I meant John Newton, not John Mitchell. Sorry for >>> any cornfuzzlement :) >>> >>> Gregg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >>> subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

will do when I get home. Judy Ryden We cannot change the direction of the wind... but we can adjust our sails. juryden@gmail.com oneinchto12@yahoo.com On May 12, 2010, at 5:15 26 PM, Greg Newton wrote: > Ryden Julia, > > Post away! I think that your original research on these folks are not going > to intrude on anyone's privacy issues. > > Information on living persons should be kept to a minimum, certainly. But I > think you have information on folks who have shuffled off this mortal coil a > long time ago. > > cheers, > > Greg Newton > 20 Pinedale #1 > Houston, Texas 77006 USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Julia, I would very much like to see what you have found and how you connect to those Newton's. Gay Nix ________________________________ From: Ryden Julia <juryden@gmail.com> To: newton@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 4:33:56 PM Subject: Re: [NEWTON] Node "I" Great news. I believe I have found the link between the two men in Node "I". I am currently in Robertson Co., TN and have spent the day in their archives. I've found strong evidence for a link between two brothers who came from Mecklenburg Co., VA in the 1700s. Each is an ancestors of the DNA contributors. I hope they give consent to having their lines published. I also hope this leads to the discovery of other links. On May 12, 2010, at 9:16 31 AM, Gregg Bonner wrote: > Node "I" isn't in the Patriarchs table, but you will find it in the DYS values table. The reason I haven't entered the data there (like I have for the other nodes) is because neither member of the node has given me consent to publish their data yet. That's also why the "I" entry in the data table just says "Private", with no link, rather than a link to the DNA donor's page showing his claimed descent. I usually update all 3 at the same time once I get consent. But in this case, I suppose I should add those two patriarchs to the table, since it is still useful information, and wouldn't violate privacy to add. And of course I could add another "Private" entry to the DYS table to represent the other member as placeholder. > > As fas as John and Giles - one cannot conclude that they are brothers from the DNA alone. These markers mutate slowly, so even 4th cousins should match. All that can be said is that they almost certainly share a common patriarch within the genealogically relevant timeframe (i.e., subsequent to the widespread adoption of surnames). Take a look at those members of Node "J" or "27"...many of them are 6th cousins or more remote, and they still match. > > Best, > > Gregg > > > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Monty Newton <monty.newton@rrc.state.tx.us> wrote: > >> From: Monty Newton <monty.newton@rrc.state.tx.us> >> Subject: Re: [NEWTON] Node "I" versus Node "T" - errata >> To: newton@rootsweb.com, "Gregg Bonner" <greggbonner@yahoo.com> >> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:58 AM >> What is this Node "I"? It >> isn't on the results table on the DNA project website. >> there is a J27 that follows H. >> thanks >> Monty Newton >> >>>>> Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com> >> 5/11/2010 7:16 PM >>> >> In my last e-mail, I said: >> >> "So I am very confident that John Mitchell who married Mary >> Mitchell would indeed be Node T if he himself could be >> tested." >> >> Of course I meant John Newton, not John Mitchell. Sorry for >> any cornfuzzlement :) >> >> Gregg >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ryden Julia, Post away! I think that your original research on these folks are not going to intrude on anyone's privacy issues. Information on living persons should be kept to a minimum, certainly. But I think you have information on folks who have shuffled off this mortal coil a long time ago. cheers, Greg Newton 20 Pinedale #1 Houston, Texas 77006 USA

Great news. I believe I have found the link between the two men in Node "I". I am currently in Robertson Co., TN and have spent the day in their archives. I've found strong evidence for a link between two brothers who came from Mecklenburg Co., VA in the 1700s. Each is an ancestors of the DNA contributors. I hope they give consent to having their lines published. I also hope this leads to the discovery of other links. On May 12, 2010, at 9:16 31 AM, Gregg Bonner wrote: > Node "I" isn't in the Patriarchs table, but you will find it in the DYS values table. The reason I haven't entered the data there (like I have for the other nodes) is because neither member of the node has given me consent to publish their data yet. That's also why the "I" entry in the data table just says "Private", with no link, rather than a link to the DNA donor's page showing his claimed descent. I usually update all 3 at the same time once I get consent. But in this case, I suppose I should add those two patriarchs to the table, since it is still useful information, and wouldn't violate privacy to add. And of course I could add another "Private" entry to the DYS table to represent the other member as placeholder. > > As fas as John and Giles - one cannot conclude that they are brothers from the DNA alone. These markers mutate slowly, so even 4th cousins should match. All that can be said is that they almost certainly share a common patriarch within the genealogically relevant timeframe (i.e., subsequent to the widespread adoption of surnames). Take a look at those members of Node "J" or "27"...many of them are 6th cousins or more remote, and they still match. > > Best, > > Gregg > > > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Monty Newton <monty.newton@rrc.state.tx.us> wrote: > >> From: Monty Newton <monty.newton@rrc.state.tx.us> >> Subject: Re: [NEWTON] Node "I" versus Node "T" - errata >> To: newton@rootsweb.com, "Gregg Bonner" <greggbonner@yahoo.com> >> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:58 AM >> What is this Node "I"? It >> isn't on the results table on the DNA project website. >> there is a J27 that follows H. >> thanks >> Monty Newton >> >>>>> Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com> >> 5/11/2010 7:16 PM >>> >> In my last e-mail, I said: >> >> "So I am very confident that John Mitchell who married Mary >> Mitchell would indeed be Node T if he himself could be >> tested." >> >> Of course I meant John Newton, not John Mitchell. Sorry for >> any cornfuzzlement :) >> >> Gregg >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What is this Node "I"? It isn't on the results table on the DNA project website. there is a J27 that follows H. thanks Monty Newton >>> Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com> 5/11/2010 7:16 PM >>> In my last e-mail, I said: "So I am very confident that John Mitchell who married Mary Mitchell would indeed be Node T if he himself could be tested." Of course I meant John Newton, not John Mitchell. Sorry for any cornfuzzlement :) Gregg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could we presume (I guess we can 'presume' anything, huh?), that Giles and John Newton were brothers? Monty Newton >>> Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com> 5/11/2010 7:05 PM >>> Hi Folks, I don't have much/any additional insight above what Greg has already said. A few things should be noted when analyzing the results of the DNA Project, and what I say about it, as it applies to this issue. 1a. I've done no real research on the "paper" genealogy of this/these lines. So what do I know? Probably not much. 1b. When I look at the claimed descents, I mostly just use WorldConnect. 2. If you look 'everywhere' on the internet, there is probably not any Newton line anywhere that is not connected by someone (erroneously or not) to the Newtons of Barr's Court, or Sir Isaac Newton, or even Henry of Essex. So it is important that the claimed descents be true, if the DNA results are to be interpreted correctly. But one thing is certain - it is not possible for BOTH the Node I folks AND the Node T folks to descend from the same patriarch within the last...say ten thousand years. But that does not mean that Node I could not descend from Henry of Essex. And it doesn't mean that Node T could not descend from Henry of Essex. It only means that they could not BOTH descend from him. And, of course, it could be that neither descend from him. The only way to know for sure is to get a bona fide sample from Henry of Essex and test it. But how could anyone ever be certain that the sample is bona fide? I am representing at the Project 3 samples derived from John Newton m. Mary Mitchell. One is from son William. One is from son Henry's son Isaac Mitchell Newton (there was some claim by others that this was a different Isaac, but I lean towards the way I have represented it; that's why it appears that way). And one is from son Larkin (who others claim is not a son...but his DNA does match). There is another Node T person who has never replied to my e-mails, so I don't know his claimed descent. And finally, there is a Node T who matches Giles Newton. Having claimed descents from 2 sons (William, b. 1774 and Henry, b. 1771) that match DNA is more or less the Grail Standard for these kinds of things. People don't claim shared descents and match DNA by pure chance. So I am very confident that John Mitchell who married Mary Mitchell would indeed be Node T if he himself could be tested. Node I isn't so clear to me. The two participants don't claim (as far as I know) shared descent (but their DNA matches, so it is probably back there somewhere). And they don't even claim descent from Henry of Essex as far as I know. That connection is only claimed by 3rd parties, and, as I say, could be in error. All I know (or think I know) about those descents I included as URLs in my last message. I don't see any reason that there could not have been two Henry Newtons in Lunenberg/Mecklenburg both born in the 1720s...one a Node I, and one a Node T. Best, Gregg --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Greg Newton <gnewton004@comcast.net> wrote: > From: Greg Newton <gnewton004@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [NEWTON] DNA v.49 NEWTONs of St. James Parish (VA) & Robert H.Newton (m. Martha Carlton Rowe) > To: newton@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 1:41 PM > Gay, > > According to the DNA of those two Newton's (on Node I), > they are not even a > close relationship to the Newton/Mitchell family (Node T). > > Gregg Bonner may be able to offer further insight. > > cheers, > > Greg Newton > Houston, Texas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LYNDON NIX" <warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net> > To: <newton@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: [NEWTON] DNA v.49 NEWTONs of St. James Parish > (VA) & Robert > H.Newton (m. Martha Carlton Rowe) > > > > Would be interested in the two men who match with the > Newton's in the > > counties mentioned. > > Are they of my line? John Newton and wife Mary > (Mitchell) Newton of South > > Carolina? > > Gay Nix > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Node "I" isn't in the Patriarchs table, but you will find it in the DYS values table. The reason I haven't entered the data there (like I have for the other nodes) is because neither member of the node has given me consent to publish their data yet. That's also why the "I" entry in the data table just says "Private", with no link, rather than a link to the DNA donor's page showing his claimed descent. I usually update all 3 at the same time once I get consent. But in this case, I suppose I should add those two patriarchs to the table, since it is still useful information, and wouldn't violate privacy to add. And of course I could add another "Private" entry to the DYS table to represent the other member as placeholder. As fas as John and Giles - one cannot conclude that they are brothers from the DNA alone. These markers mutate slowly, so even 4th cousins should match. All that can be said is that they almost certainly share a common patriarch within the genealogically relevant timeframe (i.e., subsequent to the widespread adoption of surnames). Take a look at those members of Node "J" or "27"...many of them are 6th cousins or more remote, and they still match. Best, Gregg --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Monty Newton <monty.newton@rrc.state.tx.us> wrote: > From: Monty Newton <monty.newton@rrc.state.tx.us> > Subject: Re: [NEWTON] Node "I" versus Node "T" - errata > To: newton@rootsweb.com, "Gregg Bonner" <greggbonner@yahoo.com> > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:58 AM > What is this  Node "I"?  It > isn't on the results table on the DNA project website.  > there is a J27 that follows H. > thanks > Monty Newton > > >>> Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com> > 5/11/2010 7:16 PM >>> > In my last e-mail, I said: > > "So I am very confident that John Mitchell who married Mary > Mitchell would indeed be Node T if he himself could be > tested." > > Of course I meant John Newton, not John Mitchell. Sorry for > any cornfuzzlement :) > > Gregg > > > >       > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > >