Sharon, I feel your frustration. I cant get past my great grandpa. Where in Missouri did your folks come to? And where in Illinois did they come from? My great grandfather was John Lafayette Newton. He was born in Illinois in 1868 and died in Pettis County, Mo in April 1902. I dont know what part of Illinois he came from. By the 1880 Pettis Co census, he was orphaned. He had a younger sister named Martha. She died around 15 yrs of age. I dont find them in the 1870 census in Pettis Co. And I havent had any luck finding any matches in Illinois in 1870. So unfortunately, I dont have anything to help you in your search, but I thought if I found out where your folks came from in Illinois, I might be able to find something on my great grandpa. Good luck and thanks. Mae Newton Bruce >From: "Sharon Smith" <sharonsm@hughes.net> >Reply-To: newton@rootsweb.com >To: <newton@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [NEWTON] James Jasper Newton >Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:47:47 -0600 > >Sorry, That's all the information that I have. Children were born in >Indiana and Illinois. I can't find James in 1850 census. In between 1840 >and >1860 they lived in Indiana. In 1860 they had moved to Illinois and by 1870 >they had moved to Missouri. Wish I knew more to help out. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Linda Higgins" <ljhiggins@charter.net> >To: <newton@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:19 AM >Subject: Re: [NEWTON] James Jasper Newton > > > > What part of Kentucky was James Jasper Newton born in? > > Linda Higgins > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sharon Smith" <sharonsm@hughes.net> > > To: <newton@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 3:39 PM > > Subject: [NEWTON] James Jasper Newton > > > > > >>I have been watching for sometime to see if any of my Newton family >would > >>show up on this site. I can't get past my gggrandparents so many of the > >>posts go far beyond my research. So I am asking if anyone has the > >>following > >>Newton family research. > >> James Jasper Newton b.1820 in Kentucky d.January 1875 in Missouri. Now >on > >> his son's death certificate says his father was James A. so this may be > >> it. He married Louisa Eliza Jane Alfred (Alford) b.1820 Ohio d.1871 > >> MIssouri. Married 1841 Indiana. Children: William Jasper b.&d. > >> 1841,Clarissa, Mary Isabell, William McDonald, Nancy Tabitha, James > >> Alfred, Margaret Susanna. William McDonald m. Martha Texas Owens in > >> 1871. > >> He was b. 1850 Indiana d.1936 Missouri. These are my ggrandparents. >James > >> Jasper is as far back as I can go. Hopefully someone will recognize >this > >> family. > >> _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail
Sorry, That's all the information that I have. Children were born in Indiana and Illinois. I can't find James in 1850 census. In between 1840 and 1860 they lived in Indiana. In 1860 they had moved to Illinois and by 1870 they had moved to Missouri. Wish I knew more to help out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Higgins" <ljhiggins@charter.net> To: <newton@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [NEWTON] James Jasper Newton > What part of Kentucky was James Jasper Newton born in? > Linda Higgins > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Smith" <sharonsm@hughes.net> > To: <newton@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 3:39 PM > Subject: [NEWTON] James Jasper Newton > > >>I have been watching for sometime to see if any of my Newton family would >>show up on this site. I can't get past my gggrandparents so many of the >>posts go far beyond my research. So I am asking if anyone has the >>following >>Newton family research. >> James Jasper Newton b.1820 in Kentucky d.January 1875 in Missouri. Now on >> his son's death certificate says his father was James A. so this may be >> it. He married Louisa Eliza Jane Alfred (Alford) b.1820 Ohio d.1871 >> MIssouri. Married 1841 Indiana. Children: William Jasper b.&d. >> 1841,Clarissa, Mary Isabell, William McDonald, Nancy Tabitha, James >> Alfred, Margaret Susanna. William McDonald m. Martha Texas Owens in >> 1871. >> He was b. 1850 Indiana d.1936 Missouri. These are my ggrandparents. James >> Jasper is as far back as I can go. Hopefully someone will recognize this >> family. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
What part of Kentucky was James Jasper Newton born in? Linda Higgins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Smith" <sharonsm@hughes.net> To: <newton@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 3:39 PM Subject: [NEWTON] James Jasper Newton >I have been watching for sometime to see if any of my Newton family would >show up on this site. I can't get past my gggrandparents so many of the >posts go far beyond my research. So I am asking if anyone has the following >Newton family research. > James Jasper Newton b.1820 in Kentucky d.January 1875 in Missouri. Now on > his son's death certificate says his father was James A. so this may be > it. He married Louisa Eliza Jane Alfred (Alford) b.1820 Ohio d.1871 > MIssouri. Married 1841 Indiana. Children: William Jasper b.&d. > 1841,Clarissa, Mary Isabell, William McDonald, Nancy Tabitha, James > Alfred, Margaret Susanna. William McDonald m. Martha Texas Owens in 1871. > He was b. 1850 Indiana d.1936 Missouri. These are my ggrandparents. James > Jasper is as far back as I can go. Hopefully someone will recognize this > family. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
I have been watching for sometime to see if any of my Newton family would show up on this site. I can't get past my gggrandparents so many of the posts go far beyond my research. So I am asking if anyone has the following Newton family research. James Jasper Newton b.1820 in Kentucky d.January 1875 in Missouri. Now on his son's death certificate says his father was James A. so this may be it. He married Louisa Eliza Jane Alfred (Alford) b.1820 Ohio d.1871 MIssouri. Married 1841 Indiana. Children: William Jasper b.&d. 1841,Clarissa, Mary Isabell, William McDonald, Nancy Tabitha, James Alfred, Margaret Susanna. William McDonald m. Martha Texas Owens in 1871. He was b. 1850 Indiana d.1936 Missouri. These are my ggrandparents. James Jasper is as far back as I can go. Hopefully someone will recognize this family.
The following is a small part of a newspaper article dated 9 October 1879 from the Savannah Morning News. Typed as written. JASPER'S COMPANION It will be most interesting in closing this account of the laying of the corner stone of the Jasper Monument to give a little sketch of Newton, the gallant Jasper's companion in the achievement at Jasper Spring. This information we obtain through a letter from Mr. Jno. H. Newton, of Athens, Ga., to Capt. Robt. Falligant of this city. Mr. Newton was a nephew of that Newton. The writer says: Sergeant John Newton, who was with Sergeant Jasper in the memorable transaction at Jasper Springs was my uncle, my father's brother. He was the friend and companion of Sergeant Jasper, and both of them being young, bold, fearless men, were entrusted with the duty of obtaining information of the movements of the British and Tories in the Southern part of South Carolina and Georgia, and were almost constantly on the scouts as spies and couriers, venturing often into the lines of the enemy and getting all desirable information. They traveled usually unarmed , at least without visible arms, and it was during one of these excursion that they learned the condition of the prisoners whom they rescued at the Japer Spring near Savannah. Both Sergeant Jasper and Sergeant Newton and my father, Moses Newton, were in General Lincoln's army at the siege of Savannah and Sergeant Newton and his brother returned into south Carolina in that army, and continued with and in General Lincoln's army until the city of Charleston was besieged by the British forces by land an sea, and the city, with General Lincoln's small army fell into the Hands of the British forces. Sergeant John Newton and his brother, Moses Newton, my father, were among the troops surrendered. Sergeant John Newton, being known to many of the Tory officers as a active rebel, and a man dangerous to them, was thrust on board a prison ship, on which small-pox existed, and he soon met there the fate they intended for him. He soon died on board the prison ship of that disease. My father, Moses Newton, being quite a youth, only fifteen years of age, was with other prisoners confined on land, and that party of prisoners made their escape by bribing their drunken guard, and most of them reached their homes in safety. My grandfather, Rev. John Newton, Baptist minister, lived at that time Colleton District, South Carolina, and removed to Jefferson county, Georgia, soon after the war closed about 1783, and resided there near Fennis Bridge on the Ogeechee, until his death. My father, Dr. Moses Newton, continued to reside on the on the original Georgia homestead until his death in 1821, and I, his oldest son, resided on same place and on the Fennis Bridge place, until I removed thence to Athens, Ga., in 1837. The only published account of the memorable (I might say bold dash) transaction at Jasper Springs, that I have ever seen is in Weems' Life of Marion published on or about 1812 and recently republished in new edition, but which new edition I have not seen. Sergeant John Newton was born January 16th 1755, and it is supposed he died soon after his imprisonment on shipboard in Charleston harbor in June or July 1780. This meagre information is extract from the family record of my grandfather, Rev. Dr. John Newton and from a diary kept by him for some years before his death. ( marriage of NEWTON,Moses / Mrs. Nancy Willoy 18 Aug 1824 Jefferson county GA) Gordon Parks descendant of John Newton through Henry Newton through Sarah F. Newton who married James W. Parks ----- Original Message ----- From: "LYNDON NIX" <warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net> To: <newton@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: [NEWTON] John Newton Rev.War hero > Ernest and Mae, > I am so glad Mae mentioned that part of our family that also has been > misleading to our John Newton, I have seen this on web pages and if they > know they still post it. > I do know some know, but alot don't know. > Ernest, have you found anything new ? > You all have a nice Thanksgiving. > Your cousin, Gay Nix > > > > Gay Nix > warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >
Ernest and Mae, I am so glad Mae mentioned that part of our family that also has been misleading to our John Newton, I have seen this on web pages and if they know they still post it. I do know some know, but alot don't know. Ernest, have you found anything new ? You all have a nice Thanksgiving. Your cousin, Gay Nix Gay Nix warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net
Hi Mae, I know they are not the same person and I know that at least some of the others on this mail-list also know that they are not the same person. Ernest Young Floresville, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mae Cox" <mae@coxok.com> To: <newton@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John Newton, Father of Isaac? > Hello Newton Cousins, > > I've watched as several folks have been dealing with proving just who > John's > children and wives were, and where they all fit into the picture. I can > sit > still no longer. > > While others are discussing our John Newton, I'm wondering why so many > still > say our John (b. 1740-1750, d. Nov 11, 1799) was one-and-the-same as Sgt. > John Newton (b. 1755, d. 1780)! > > It amazes me that most everyone in our line (meaning those descended from > the John b. 1740-1750), keep using the data on Sgt. Newton in their > reports > and data. > > Tain't so. They can't be one and the same. > > Sgt. John Newton died in 1780 of smallpox while prisoner on a ship in > Charleston harbor. He would have only been about 25 years of age, > according > to the dates that keep showing up everywhere for him. > > Our John Newton died in 1799 at about 59 years of age. In Edgefield County > -- Charleston isn't even in that county! > > While I would love to claim Sgt Newton too what with all his fame and > glory, > it just doesn't jive with the information we have on our John Newton. I've > only been researching this family since 2002, but that doesn't hinder my > being able to deduce when some dates and names just don't fit! > > Anyone else notice this dilemma? > > Mae Cox in Oklahoma > > -----Original Message----- > From: newton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:newton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of David S. Payne > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:52 AM > To: newton@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John Newton, Father of Isaac? > > Gay and Gregg, > As per the note you wrote below to Gregg, John Newton should have an > estate even though he didn't have a will and it would show all his > children. > Usually there would be several papers in his folder. > In fact, his folder with the actual papers may still be in the Pickens > co. > SC courthouse. > You can order these from the SC archives. > DAVE > > > > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:12:42 -0800 (PST) > From: LYNDON NIX > Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John Newton of Newberry Co, S.C. > To: newton@rootsweb.com > > Gregg, > <snip> Now, since John did not have a will to prove he is the father of > Isaac, we have to use what other data we can find for Isaac, Henry and > William. > I can only give you what I have to come to the conclusion that John is the > father of Isaac and his brothers Henry and William. > As you know you have to start somewhere, this is just a short detail as to > how I found my trail to John. <snip> > Gay > > > > --------------------------------- > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. > Intro-*Terms > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >
Hello Newton Cousins, I've watched as several folks have been dealing with proving just who John's children and wives were, and where they all fit into the picture. I can sit still no longer. While others are discussing our John Newton, I'm wondering why so many still say our John (b. 1740-1750, d. Nov 11, 1799) was one-and-the-same as Sgt. John Newton (b. 1755, d. 1780)! It amazes me that most everyone in our line (meaning those descended from the John b. 1740-1750), keep using the data on Sgt. Newton in their reports and data. Tain't so. They can't be one and the same. Sgt. John Newton died in 1780 of smallpox while prisoner on a ship in Charleston harbor. He would have only been about 25 years of age, according to the dates that keep showing up everywhere for him. Our John Newton died in 1799 at about 59 years of age. In Edgefield County -- Charleston isn't even in that county! While I would love to claim Sgt Newton too what with all his fame and glory, it just doesn't jive with the information we have on our John Newton. I've only been researching this family since 2002, but that doesn't hinder my being able to deduce when some dates and names just don't fit! Anyone else notice this dilemma? Mae Cox in Oklahoma -----Original Message----- From: newton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:newton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David S. Payne Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:52 AM To: newton@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John Newton, Father of Isaac? Gay and Gregg, As per the note you wrote below to Gregg, John Newton should have an estate even though he didn't have a will and it would show all his children. Usually there would be several papers in his folder. In fact, his folder with the actual papers may still be in the Pickens co. SC courthouse. You can order these from the SC archives. DAVE Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:12:42 -0800 (PST) From: LYNDON NIX Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John Newton of Newberry Co, S.C. To: newton@rootsweb.com Gregg, <snip> Now, since John did not have a will to prove he is the father of Isaac, we have to use what other data we can find for Isaac, Henry and William. I can only give you what I have to come to the conclusion that John is the father of Isaac and his brothers Henry and William. As you know you have to start somewhere, this is just a short detail as to how I found my trail to John. <snip> Gay --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro-*Terms ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have a grandfather named Isaac Newton Walker who came to Illinois from Iowa in the late 1800's, married Daisy Cooper and they had 4 kids and lived in Coles County, Charleston Illinois most of their lives. I keep watching the Isaac Newtons hoping to find a Walker among them. Anybody sound familiar??? Joan Coleman ----- Original Message ----- From: "LYNDON NIX" <warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net> To: <newton@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John Newton, Father of Isaac? > Dave, > I wish we could be so lucky to find a will for John. > As far as we know, John died without a will. If you read what I wrote > about John and what we know for sure Naomi was the only one there at the > sale. > All the info package number and etc is in what I sent you, under number > 2. > That info was only item found at the archives by Gordon Parks. > John died in Edgefield County, not Pickens. > I have wills of other family lines, and you are right when they have a > will, it sometimes mentions children and a lot of things, but sorry to say > John did not. > If he did have a will, no one has uncovered it yet. > I live in Texas so right now it's a little hard to travel that far, I do > plan to go I hope in about two years. > Since you live right there close by in South Carolina, could you go to > the Courthouse for us, no telling what you may find. Newberry, Pendleton, > Edgefield counties really need to be looked into. > Did you receive my information on Nancy Newton being a Davidson? > > Gay Nix > > "David S. Payne" <otime1@yahoo.com> wrote: > Gay and Gregg, > As per the note you wrote below to Gregg, John Newton should have an > estate even though he didn't have a will and it would show all his > children. Usually there would be several papers in his folder. > In fact, his folder with the actual papers may still be in the Pickens co. > SC courthouse. > You can order these from the SC archives. > DAVE > > > > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:12:42 -0800 (PST) > From: LYNDON NIX > Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John Newton of Newberry Co, S.C. > To: newton@rootsweb.com > > Gregg, > Now, since John did not have a will to prove he is the father of Isaac, we > have to use what other data we can find for Isaac, Henry and William. > I can only give you what I have to come to the conclusion that John is the > father of Isaac and his brothers Henry and William. > As you know you have to start somewhere, this is just a short detail as to > how I found my trail to John. > Gay > > > > --------------------------------- > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. > Intro-*Terms > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Gay Nix > warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Dave, I wish we could be so lucky to find a will for John. As far as we know, John died without a will. If you read what I wrote about John and what we know for sure Naomi was the only one there at the sale. All the info package number and etc is in what I sent you, under number 2. That info was only item found at the archives by Gordon Parks. John died in Edgefield County, not Pickens. I have wills of other family lines, and you are right when they have a will, it sometimes mentions children and a lot of things, but sorry to say John did not. If he did have a will, no one has uncovered it yet. I live in Texas so right now it's a little hard to travel that far, I do plan to go I hope in about two years. Since you live right there close by in South Carolina, could you go to the Courthouse for us, no telling what you may find. Newberry, Pendleton, Edgefield counties really need to be looked into. Did you receive my information on Nancy Newton being a Davidson? Gay Nix "David S. Payne" <otime1@yahoo.com> wrote: Gay and Gregg, As per the note you wrote below to Gregg, John Newton should have an estate even though he didn't have a will and it would show all his children. Usually there would be several papers in his folder. In fact, his folder with the actual papers may still be in the Pickens co. SC courthouse. You can order these from the SC archives. DAVE Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:12:42 -0800 (PST) From: LYNDON NIX Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John Newton of Newberry Co, S.C. To: newton@rootsweb.com Gregg, Now, since John did not have a will to prove he is the father of Isaac, we have to use what other data we can find for Isaac, Henry and William. I can only give you what I have to come to the conclusion that John is the father of Isaac and his brothers Henry and William. As you know you have to start somewhere, this is just a short detail as to how I found my trail to John. Gay --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro-*Terms ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Gay Nix warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net
Gay and Gregg, As per the note you wrote below to Gregg, John Newton should have an estate even though he didn't have a will and it would show all his children. Usually there would be several papers in his folder. In fact, his folder with the actual papers may still be in the Pickens co. SC courthouse. You can order these from the SC archives. DAVE Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:12:42 -0800 (PST) From: LYNDON NIX Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John Newton of Newberry Co, S.C. To: newton@rootsweb.com Gregg, <snip> Now, since John did not have a will to prove he is the father of Isaac, we have to use what other data we can find for Isaac, Henry and William. I can only give you what I have to come to the conclusion that John is the father of Isaac and his brothers Henry and William. As you know you have to start somewhere, this is just a short detail as to how I found my trail to John. <snip> Gay --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro-*Terms
Hi Folks, An upgrade result came in recently. There are thus far three different types of NEWTON DNA associated with Duplin County, NC, namely, "M", "O", and "W". http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/newtondna/ This was problematic because M and O differed by two mutations. This usually suggests that the groups aren't related. But the newly discovered "W" type bridged the gap between the two, lending credence to the idea that all those folks were one family after all. Well, the most recent test showed that on markers 13 through 25, there was a perfect match between "M" and "O". So the match went from 10/12 (poor) to 23/25 (pretty good). This is pretty rare. Usually a 10/12 start only gets worse (less close) upon upgrade. Anyway, this is just more evidence that they were one genetic family. The upgrades should continue, and more samples sought, so this should resolve eventually. Still the strategy is unchanged, though. We will need more samples from "known" descents to eliminate the possibility that the families had similar DNA just by chance. With more samples, we can identify the DNA of the ancestor himself, and that way show that the mutations must have clustered (indicating different families), or else show that the mutations distributed normally (the expectation for a single genetic family). The "W" sample is currently being upgraded, so this will be revisited fairly soon. Cheers, Gregg Bonner NEWTON Surname DNA Project Group Administrator ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $310k for $999/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre
Hi Folks, We have a new sample in. It is a new type, so it gets the letter "X" (by alphabetical incrementation). It is closest to our existing type of "L" (and the "W" that is not on the Network Diagram), so maybe those folks in the "D" and "L" groups of Cumberland/Buckingham Counties Virginia origin and perhaps the Duplin County, NC folks may want to consider the possible implications of this. A combination of the participant's original claim of descent, along with some investigation by the Project's co-admin, Phin Newton, and some WorldConnect surfing by yours truly leads to the descent of the participant as described at the Project's homepage and links therefrom: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/newtondna/ This NEWTON family was in Walworth, New York in the 1870s and 1880s (at least), having immigrated evidently from Warwick, England earlier the same century. This represents the closest thing we have to a "European" sample, as the immigration was more recent than other participants' arrivals who can document the other side of the pond. Folks with leanings towards Warwick as their proposed origin should also take note of this. Best, Gregg Bonner NEWTON Surname DNA Project Group Administrator ____________________________________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail beta Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Thomas Newton emigrated to Boston MA from Hartlepool, Co Durham in 1903 and settled in Quincy with his wife Elizabeth and family. His son Albert married Florence Stokes and their son Arthur married Dorothy and lived in Seattle. Arthur's daughter Palma married Larry Cochran and had a son William C Cochran who was a military man born c1950. My Grandmothers maiden name was Kate Newton the neice of Thomas Newton. I would like to hear from decendant of Thomas Newton to connect the US and UK branches of this family. Ken Oliver
Gregg, Ok, the copy I was talking about, is the letter from McKnight that I would send if anyone wanted one. Now as far as the original, I wish I did have it, this came from McKnight also. We would have to find who inherited Mrs. Cantrell's family papers, If this was posted on the internet, then yes I would have to question that. But this was back in 1981 and snail-mail and from a responsible researcher who knew some of the older Newton family. You may get a better picture after reading the letter. But even if there was no John and Mary Mitchell Newton heading, it wouldn't really change the strong evidence that we are on the right track, with John Newton and wife Mary Mitchell. Now, since John did not have a will to prove he is the father of Isaac, we have to use what other data we can find for Isaac, Henry and William. I can only give you what I have to come to the conclusion that John is the father of Isaac and his brothers Henry and William. As you know you have to start somewhere, this is just a short detail as to how I found my trail to John. My Andrew Dorsey Newton on Civil War Papers said he was born 1846 Hall Co, Ga. The only Newton in Hall county that fit was Isaac Mitchell Newton. Then in deed record shows all of Henry Newton's children. Census records showed that Isaac Mitchell Newton was born in S.C., so through census records, I found Henry and William Newton in Pendleton Co, S.C., then going back 1790 and the three sons were not married yet, I found 3 males living in household with a John Newton for Newberry dist S.C., then went to books on that county. Then you find the will of Isaac Mitchell and he names grandsons William, Henry and Isaac Newton, and figure this is the grandfather of our Wm, Isaac and Henry, which all carrie the Isaac Mitchell name down in their family. I did check out all 6 Newton's who were in S.C., for 1790 and John is the only one with 3 males that would fit. Yes, you are right that doesn't mean that the Newton grandsons could have been fathered by another Newton male, but John and his sons were the only Newton's in the right place at the right time. Perhaps David Payne who lives in the area, can find out who has the original document. Miss Annie Lee Boggs in 1981 lived at 203 S. Mechanic st. Pendleton, S.C. and I believe McKnight lived there also, maybe not at same address. Now, research needs to be done in the courthouse in Newberry and Pendleton, which I haven't known of anyone that has done any research in the courthouse, we may find a lot of info there, I have been in a lot of courthouses but haven't made it to these two, In about 2 years I do plan to go. Gay Nix 1526 W. Hull st Denison, Texas 75020 Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com> wrote: Gay, you wrote: > I will send you a copy of it, if you let me know and send a self > addressed envelope or I can scan it for you. Now another important > note on this document is the original, said he was the son of John > and Mary Newton, and after at least 114 years it became brittle and > got torn off, which was at the beginning of the page. > > Nora Cantrell had the original. Does the part that got torn off survive alongside the rest of the original? You say that you can scan it, but I am wondering if it is the case that what you have to scan includes the fragment that said he (Isaac) was the son of John and Mary Newton. Also, other than this fragment that came off the document mentioned above, is there any other proof that John was the father of Isaac? I see that Isaac Mitchell's will names NEWTON grandsons, but I see no reason that these grandsons couldn't have been fathered by a NEWTON male of any name. In short, I get pretty suspicious when the only evidence is something that is now lost. In my own NEWTON line, there was a "lawsuit" over something, and all the "proofs" of my line were being shipped to England for this lawsuit and the boat "sank". Now I realize that what was more likely was that those NEWTONs were being scammed by bogus lawyers...the centuries ago equivalent of the Nigerian 419 scam. In any case, I would feel better about it if the fragment could be scanned alongside the rest so that there is no misunderstanding of what exists and what does not. Best, Gregg Bonner Bethany, Oklahoma, USA ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $310k for $999/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Gay Nix warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net
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Greg, please write me personally at otime1@yahoo.com as your email is not showing in the Newton mail. I have some things to ask you. Rootsweb changed their format and it is lacking in many ways now. David Payne Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 04:14:41 -0800 (PST) From: Gregg Bonner Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John Newton of Newberry Co, S.C. To: newton@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <387572.75425.qm@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Gay, you wrote: > I will send you a copy of it, if you let me know and send a self > addressed envelope or I can scan it for you. Now another important > note on this document is the original, said he was the son of John > and Mary Newton, and after at least 114 years it became brittle and > got torn off, which was at the beginning of the page. > > Nora Cantrell had the original. Does the part that got torn off survive alongside the rest of the original? You say that you can scan it, but I am wondering if it is the case that what you have to scan includes the fragment that said he (Isaac) was the son of John and Mary Newton. Also, other than this fragment that came off the document mentioned above, is there any other proof that John was the father of Isaac? I see that Isaac Mitchell's will names NEWTON grandsons, but I see no reason that these grandsons couldn't have been fathered by a NEWTON male of any name. In short, I get pretty suspicious when the only evidence is something that is now lost. In my own NEWTON line, there was a "lawsuit" over something, and all the "proofs" of my line were being shipped to England for this lawsuit and the boat "sank". Now I realize that what was more likely was that those NEWTONs were being scammed by bogus lawyers...the centuries ago equivalent of the Nigerian 419 scam. In any case, I would feel better about it if the fragment could be scanned alongside the rest so that there is no misunderstanding of what exists and what does not. Best, Gregg Bonner Bethany, Oklahoma, USA David S. Payne, 1614 Chapman Rd., Anderson, SC, 29621 otime1@yahoo.com : My websites: My surnames mostly in Upstate SC/GA, & Western NC: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=otime My wife's Newton, Gray, Patterson, and other kin: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=cateel , and My Pictures, etc: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/p/a/y/David-Sheldon-Payne/?Welcome=1095014020 --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Mortgage for $1,698/mo - Calculate new house payment
Gay, you wrote: > I will send you a copy of it, if you let me know and send a self > addressed envelope or I can scan it for you. Now another important > note on this document is the original, said he was the son of John > and Mary Newton, and after at least 114 years it became brittle and > got torn off, which was at the beginning of the page. > > Nora Cantrell had the original. Does the part that got torn off survive alongside the rest of the original? You say that you can scan it, but I am wondering if it is the case that what you have to scan includes the fragment that said he (Isaac) was the son of John and Mary Newton. Also, other than this fragment that came off the document mentioned above, is there any other proof that John was the father of Isaac? I see that Isaac Mitchell's will names NEWTON grandsons, but I see no reason that these grandsons couldn't have been fathered by a NEWTON male of any name. In short, I get pretty suspicious when the only evidence is something that is now lost. In my own NEWTON line, there was a "lawsuit" over something, and all the "proofs" of my line were being shipped to England for this lawsuit and the boat "sank". Now I realize that what was more likely was that those NEWTONs were being scammed by bogus lawyers...the centuries ago equivalent of the Nigerian 419 scam. In any case, I would feel better about it if the fragment could be scanned alongside the rest so that there is no misunderstanding of what exists and what does not. Best, Gregg Bonner Bethany, Oklahoma, USA ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $310k for $999/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre
Hello cousins, I started my genealogy about 38 years ago, my Mother was a Newton, so I started with her family. This was back when there was no computers and no internet, so you had to go to the library to do your research, I had to join a Genealogy Society to help me get started, such as start with what you know and start asking questions, and placing your grandfather in the right place, where you can find them on the census and gather what information it provides for you. If you can, then you travel to the court house and gather as much data as you can and have time far, and trying to find where they may have been buried, this is a great experience and to be able to walk where they once walked. Anyway, I had the pleasure to correspond with Carrie Newton Wright, she was one of the early Newton researchers that I had found working on my direct line which was John Newton. You will find Carrie's genealogy in Historical Southern Families, Vol XXII By Mrs. John Bennett Boddie 1978 page 77, Her lineage starts out with John Newton and has born ca 1750 in Va, married Naomi Mitchell the daughter of Isaac and Sarah (Satterwhite) Mitchell. ( now Carrie had Susan Newton Farrand to do her research for her and they worked together on this family. The genealogy goes on and states that you can find the will of Isaac Mitchell dated Oct 29th 1811 and recorded 1812 in Newberry, S.C., Box 14, pkg.29, est#304 and it mentions wife Sarah a daughter Dorcus Richie, daughter in-law Anna Mitchell, and several grandchildren.Carrie did not mention the grandchildren names, but they were William, Henry and Isaac Newton. There was no Naomi mentioned in the will, which was still living at this time period. Source on Isaac Mitchell's will Newberry Dist, S.C., will send if you don't have it. Names great grandaughter Susan Griffin, Mary Griffen and Frances Griffin. Names grandsons David Crews and Jacob Crews. Names grandsons William Newton, Isaac Newton and Henry Newton. Names grandaughters Polly Langsdale, Sarah Swords, Kezia Mckee and Catherine McKee. Names grandaughters Sarah Humes. Names grandaughters Susannah Mitchell, Jemima Mitchell and Ruth Mitchell. Names great grandson John McKee and great grandaughter Anna Mckee. Names nephews Ezihiah Eastland and John Eastland. Friend James Caldwell. Witness David Boazman, Bartlet Satterwhite and Thomas Eastland. The lineage goes on into the Mitchell family, which right now I don't want to get into, I want to stay focused on the Newton line. Then the book goes into John and Naomi Newton. (now when this genealogy was published in 1978 Carrie Newton Wright had not known about the Travels and Religious Experience that Isaac Newton wrote back in June of 1856, this document if you do not have is a must and very helpful in your research on our John Newton. I will send you a copy of it, if you let me know and send a self addressed envelope or I can scan it for you. Now another important note on this document is the original, said he was the son of John and Mary Newton, and after at least 114 years it became brittle and got torn off, which was at the beginning of the page. Nora Cantrell had the original. I have a letter written to Shirley Goreven from Virginia Mcknight, which is very interesting and also a must to have. Mrs. Goreven took over the Newton news letter back in 1981. (I don't think it is being published now). Virginia was helping Miss Annie Lee Boggs who lived in Pendleton, South Carolina with her Newton family. Now back to the Boddie Book which Carrie Newton sent her lineage in to Mrs. Boddie to be published. Here is a written document printed in a book, which you would think is correct, until you find new information, which Carrie did not know that John had married Mary first, evidently Mrs. Farrand did not check the court house records, are have contacted Nora Cantrell. So contrary from the Boddie Book, we have learned that John Newton was married first to Mary Mitchell and 2nd to Naomi, who's maiden name has not been found. We also learned through the DNA project that Larkin Newton was a genetic relative to the other children of John Newton. Naomi and John's children were Larkin, Basil and John. We also learn from Isaac through his religious experience that John and 2nd wife, he led a disagreeable life. Also Carrie had estimated that John Newton was born ca 1750, I think he was born before that and more like 1740's, the reason I think that goes back to Isaac's paper about his Experience written in 1856, that John wanted him to go to Virginia with him as he was afflicted with rheumatism, this was in 1796 which John would only be 46 yrs old, so this makes me think he could have been born much earlier than 1750. In my research I came to a dead end trying to find data on John in Mecklenburg and Lunenburg Counties of Virginia, I haven't been to the court house there, but I do know Merle Newton who has done research there in both counties at the court house and came up with nothing to connect our Newton's to the Newton's there. So are we barking up the wrong tree, are we in the wrong place and is this why we are at a dead end? Merle Newton is a teacher and stated that the information regarding Mecklenburg and Lunrnburg Counties in Va did not seem to ring true, she said she spent many hours in the Virginia Archives. Merle is from Henry Newton who had son Thomas E. Newton. She also states unless we make some unique discoveries she would prefer not to correspond further. Carrie also states that Henry was born in 1771 in Mecklenburg Co, Va, his obituary states he was a native of South Carolina, the dictionary says native means birth or orgin or born in place or country. Also John was in South Carolina by 1771. I would like to discuss the above information and see what you may have found are your thoughts on this data. I think if we pull together we can get passed John and find his father . I know there is data out there saying Henry is the father of our John, but there is no documentation for that, that has been said because there is a Henry in the two counties mentioned above, but John is not mentioned in their family at all. So I need your input on the following information before we continue. 1.We need to Establish that Mary and Naomi are not the same person as some people have recorded. Naomi died in Mo, and we can get into that later. 2. We need to discuss John's birth. 3. We need to discuss the birth of the Children of John, where were they born, Va or S.C. 4. And your thoughts on the Henry who has been stated to be John's father. Please feel free to disagree or give your opinion, that's what it's all about, we all want to get our family tree right. 1. Source for Mary Mitchell being John Newton's 1st wife. The Religious Experience Of Issac Newton, written in 1856. Isaac Mitchell's will: 2. Source that Naomi is 2nd wife of John Newton, Edgefield County, S.C., estate papers in apartment 43 package 1785 the estate papers of John Newton on 11 March 1799 Naomi Newton, Amos Richardson and R. Wilson were made administrators of John Newton's estate, Naomi made her mark and the others signed. March 11, 1799 four men were ordered that all or at least three of them inventory the estate within 90 days. This was completed on 1st of June 1799. The sale took place Oct 1st 1799 by William Johnston, crier. Neomy Nuten was the only family member to purchase at the sale. She purchased among other items, a mare, flax wheel and cards and sow. The most expensive item sold was a hogshead of tobacco for 40 pounds sterling. The entire estate sold for about 139 pounds sterling. ( Gordon Parks found this at the archives in South Carolina). Note that Henry and William were not at the sale and we know they were still in South Carolina in 1799, Isaac was in Caroline Co, Va at that time period. Was there friction going on? 3. Source for John's birth being 1750 is just a guess, we really can't come up with his correct birth date, I just figure with his rheumatism he would be much older than 46 if born ca 1750. Also Giles Newton who is related some way or another through DNA was born in the 1740's, and they could have been brothers, now that is just guessing about brothers, so don't jump and print that undocumented statement, it's just something we need to look into, but Giles Newton was also in Caroline County, Va at one time period. This County is where Isaac Newton the son of John met and married his wife Sarah Spicer, is this where our John went to in Va he talks about in the Religious Experience of Isaac. He states in this document that he left Isaac with his brother to take care of him, so sad he didn't mention brothers name, who evidently still lived in Virginia in 1798. Wonder why he went to Virginia in the first place? Was it to take care of business are to just visit his brother, wish Isaac would have gone into more detail as to why they went. 4. Source for William and Henry's birth place. We know that their brother Isaac stated he was born in South Carolina, from his writting of 1856. If any of you know about William where he was born speak up, we need that data. But on Henry we find the following: The obituary from the Southern Christian Advocate issue Nov 22, 1855. Henry Newton was a native of South Carolina, Newberry Dist was born April 1777 and died Monday at five o'clock in the evening of the same day, July 23, 1855. There is more to this obituary, if you need it let me know. The dictionary says native means birth place or orgin one was born. So with that document I will say he was born in South Carolina not Virginia. Source: John Newton was in Newberry Dist S.C. by 1771. Laurens and Newberry Counties South Carolina, Saluda and Little River Settlements 1749-1775. Memorial by William Ellis 100 acres, 150 acres north side of Saludy all sides vacant land. Survey 8 May 1771 granted 18 May 1771. Signed 20 June 1771 by John Newton. John Dooley, s.s. (have map of this survey). Source: Newberry County, S.C., Deed Abstracts. Personally appeared Isaac Mitchell Sr. before Jacob Roberts Brown, Esquire, and made oath that in 1771 John Newton purchased of William Ellis 100acres on the north side of Little River, granted to John Dooley and conveyed by said Dooley to William Ellis, and that he was one of the witnesses to the said titles and that in 1781 a party of the Torys or British Aderents came to his this deponants plantation and then and there burnt his house and destroyed all the said titles, and that the said titles were only probated and not recorded, dated 20 Oct 1795. Isaac Mitchell Sr. Recorded 2 Jan 1796 Survey for Isaac Davenport4 Feb 1772 bounded by John Stephens and John Newton. I believe this is the earliest I have found for John Newton in South Carolina. There are other deed abstracts pertaining to John, but after 1771, we can talk about later. It wouldn't suprise me if John married Mary Mitchell in South Carolina. I believe that the above information should keep us busy and discusing for awhile. Please post to this forum, where everyone can see everyone's responce, that way we will be able to come up with a conclusion on our family. There may be family members who will disagree, on some data, and thats ok, we are here to try and get data right, on John Newton line. Gay Nix 1526 W. Hull st Denison, Texas 75020 Phone: 903-465-7964 Gay Nix warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net
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