Hi, That was the very first thing that came to my mind. And frankly it's a good thing, too, for if there were not a lot of it going on back then, I and a whole lot of Dugger family descendants would not be here today. In my case we have Lydia Dugger and Marmarduke Cheatum to thank for their 3 out of wedlock children and we know they were since she was hauled into court and heavily fined for bastardry three times I believe. I suspect the same applies to many families in this country. Ernest Young 2nd great-grandson of Larkin Newton (17 March 1794 in South Carolina - 21 May 1858 in Ellis Co., TX) ----- Original Message ----- From: <PalTia@aol.com> To: <newton@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [NEWTON] DNA Project,Vol. 40: Fishing for surnames catches NEWTONs Judy, The hanky-panky theory could be an option too. You made me laugh :) . But hey, there was a lot of that going on back then too. Barb ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy, The hanky-panky theory could be an option too. You made me laugh :) . But hey, there was a lot of that going on back then too. Barb ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Interesting for sure. Maybe his father, grandfather.. or?? was adopted and took on a different name other than Newton. Just a thought. Barb ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

And maybe there was some hanky-panky (heh, heh) in that line. There appears to have been something like that in one of my lines. Judy A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour.

Dear Ones, I made a horrible mistake saying that Roswell Newton and Abigail (Loomis) were the parents of Nancy Newton. Roswell Newton and Abigail had Roswell b. ca. 1790, Wayrum, b. ca. 1792, Naomi, and, allegedly, Timothy and John. Roswell b. ca. 1790 was married to Phoebe Sutton, b. aft 1790, New Jersey, daughter of Benjamin Sutton and <Unknown>. The information about Phoebe's father was from an Estate Settlement in Crawford Co., PA ca. 1823. Roswell and Phoebe had several children, to wit: Roswell Moses Newton, Nancy (my ancestor, was married thrice), and Charles. Phoebe (Sutton) Newton is shown living with her son Charles in the 1870 Census. Right next door is Henry Newton who could be the younger brother of Charles. Contrary to Ancestry.com, Roswell Newton (b. ca. 1790) did not die in Switzerland, IN but Crawford Co., PA around 1832. NOTE: The Sutton, Peterson, and Abbot families in Crawford Co. came from New Jersey (and possibly the Taylor families). The men in those families changed their names from one family name to the other as most people change their underwear. In some of the Sutton, Peterson, Abbot families, there are brothers who have different surnames. A distant relative of mine has been wading through these names for years! A DNA project for these names in Crawford Co. would clear up a lot of problems. Connie Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Connie, The contact person for our "Type 'H' " NEWTON DNA participant suggests descent from Timothy such that the line goes through William Mortimer Newton, grandson of Timothy, and who was born in 1829. With the birthdates of Timothy, and the William B. Newton intervening Timothy and above William Mortimer unknown, it can't be known whether this is possible or not. But you can play with generation times to see if it is plausible. It also depends on the accuracy of the 1756 estimate for Roswell. It would require 3 generations in a row with average generation of less than 25 years per generation. I think this is a little unlikely, statistically. But it certainly isn't impossible. But more to the point, the DNA works, and the geography goes along with that. Type H is a good match (24 of 25 markers identical) to our type "J" that derives from the large family of Richard Newton of Sudbury, Mass. I would be pretty surprised if the existing type H participant did not descend one way or another from this Richard Newton. But as far as the paper evidence, I am afraid I know nearly zilch. One thing that is good about having so many "J" types is that some of them have tested a lot of markers. So it may be possible in the case of "J", and even "J"-like NEWTONs (such as "H") that we can not only prove (more or less) that one descends from a particular person, but we should be able to make educated guesses on which branch WITHIN the tree from which one descends. Of course that relies on lots of samples, and most/all of them testing a lot of markers. Best, Gregg Constance Ruffley wrote: While looking at the Newton DNA Project, I noticed Node H for Timothy Newton, d. 1843, Wesleyville, Erie Co., PA. It is possible that this Timothy Newton is the son of Roswell Newton (b. ca. 1756, MA) and (dont' have my genealogy in front of me) is the brother of Roswell (b. ca 1790), Wayrum (b. ca. 1791), John, and Naomi Newton - all of whom were born in Massachusetts. Roswell (b. ca. 1790, m. Abigail Loomis), Wayrum (m. Celia LNU), Timothy, and John left Hampden, MA and migrated to Erie Co., PA in the early 1800's (see Fed. Census Records, Erie Co., PA, 1810), and, then into to Crawford co., PA (see Fed. Census Records, Crawford co., PA, 1820). Roswell Newton and Abigail (Loomis) Newton had a daughter Nancy through whom I am descend. Connie Sloan Ruffley

Hi Folks, I just want to tell you this short story. We now have a man in our DNA Project whose surname is not NEWTON. His ancestry is unclear. I won't ascribe motivations for him in getting himself tested, but the bottom line is that he matches our "J" NEWTONs really well. In fact he is an even better match for Richard Newton of Sudbury than are our Newton folk, and that's at a whopping 67 markers. Couple that with the fact that no other surnames come close to him, and you have a probable descent that is known from the DNA only. Of course, it could happen that in the future a bunch of people of some other particular surname will test and match him, but it hasn't happened yet. So if "fishing" can work across surnames to reveal descents, image how well it might work for you knowing that there are already nearly 50 NEWTONs tested, representing some 20+ different NEWTON clans, and that more will come with time. Okay, that was my "plug". Best, Gregg Bonner NEWTON Surname DNA Project Group Administrator --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.

Hi Folks, We have our first European NEWTON DNA sample. This Newton male claims descent from a Newton clan that inhabited Sussex, England in the late 1700s and early 1800s, and then Surrey, England from the mid 1800s. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/newtondna/ Some of our existing participants should be particularly interested in this, as the fellow proved to be indistinguishable from our Node D grouping (i.e., the NEWTONs of Buckingham/Cumberland). Since he used a different testing lab, the markers don't match up exactly. But of those first twelve markers, 10 were tested and were exact matches, earning him the node D* designation. Also, another marker in the second group was tested, and was also found to match. So, all in all, he matches 11/11 to our existing node D. I encourage those with interest in node D, and also the similar node L to take a look. Best, Gregg Bonner NEWTON Surname DNA Project Group Administrator --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

Hi! Please move on this Geer reunion if you think you may be interested!In one of my tow Geer lines an Elizabeth Newton daughter of Nathan Newton and Eleanor/Ellen Palmer married George Geer.They are my Third Great Grandparents.This is event is time sensitive if interested! The Geer Family Association will have a reunion in Ledyard,Connecticut; from June 22ND to June 24Th,.The reunion will include trips,musical entertainment,association business,and speakers on various topics. Geer also is spelled Gere and Gear and other variations.Many Geer descendants also have other surnames but have the family heritage in their genealogy."Ken" Geer of Ledyard is President and he can be reached at 860-464-8657,.The association web site can also be checked out at http://www.geerfamily.org for reunion details and a reservation form. While the deadline for reservations has passed those with last minute reservations can contact Geer on availability.The registration fee with all meals provided is only $43,less if you do not take in all meals. Attendees do not have to be association members but should be interested in the family's history. This reunion only comes to Connecticut only every six years. Relatively yours, Scott Scott Bill Hirst 20 Maple Court Ashaway,RI 02804-1301 USA (401)377-4643 Note:Telephone if you need quick reply.

It seems to me that it is unlikely that Timothy and Roswell were brothers even though they both lived in Erie, PA. Timothy's DNA indicates he was descended from Richard Newton of Sudbury, he was very likely the son of David and Miriam (Smith)Newton who was born in Paxton, MA on 17 Mar 1774. David's ancestry is Uriah, Joseph, Joseph and Richard. Roswell, on the other hand, is descended from the Groton, CT Newtons, his ancestry is Roswell Sr., Ebenezer and Samuel who married Ruth Spicer. Samuel is probably the son of John and Mehitable Newton, whose birth is recorded in Boston records on 23 Jan 1678. Unfortunately, none of Samuel's descendants have had their DNA tested , so we can't be sure his DNA was not identical to that of Richard, but there is indication they were related so it seems unlikely.. Steve Newton --- Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Connie, > > The contact person for our "Type 'H' " NEWTON DNA > participant suggests descent from Timothy such that > the line goes through William Mortimer Newton, > grandson of Timothy, and who was born in 1829. With > the birthdates of Timothy, and the William B. Newton > intervening Timothy and above William Mortimer > unknown, it can't be known whether this is possible > or not. But you can play with generation times to > see if it is plausible. It also depends on the > accuracy of the 1756 estimate for Roswell. It would > require 3 generations in a row with average > generation of less than 25 years per generation. I > think this is a little unlikely, statistically. But > it certainly isn't impossible. > > But more to the point, the DNA works, and the > geography goes along with that. Type H is a good > match (24 of 25 markers identical) to our type "J" > that derives from the large family of Richard Newton > of Sudbury, Mass. I would be pretty surprised if the > existing type H participant did not descend one way > or another from this Richard Newton. > > But as far as the paper evidence, I am afraid I > know nearly zilch. > > One thing that is good about having so many "J" > types is that some of them have tested a lot of > markers. So it may be possible in the case of "J", > and even "J"-like NEWTONs (such as "H") that we can > not only prove (more or less) that one descends from > a particular person, but we should be able to make > educated guesses on which branch WITHIN the tree > from which one descends. Of course that relies on > lots of samples, and most/all of them testing a lot > of markers. > > Best, > > Gregg > > > Constance Ruffley <sarawick@pacbell.net> wrote: > While looking at the Newton DNA Project, I noticed > Node H for Timothy Newton, d. 1843, Wesleyville, > Erie Co., PA. > > It is possible that this Timothy Newton is the son > of Roswell Newton (b. ca. 1756, MA) and (dont' have > my genealogy in front of me) is the brother of > Roswell (b. ca 1790), Wayrum (b. ca. 1791), John, > and Naomi Newton - all of whom were born in > Massachusetts. > > Roswell (b. ca. 1790, m. Abigail Loomis), Wayrum (m. > Celia LNU), Timothy, and John left Hampden, MA and > migrated to Erie Co., PA in the early 1800's (see > Fed. Census Records, Erie Co., PA, 1810), and, then > into to Crawford co., PA (see Fed. Census Records, > Crawford co., PA, 1820). > > Roswell Newton and Abigail (Loomis) Newton had a > daughter Nancy through whom I am descend. > > Connie Sloan Ruffley > > Gregg Bonner wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Recently we got a second sample tested from John > Newton (23 Jan 1772 - 14 Oct 1847) of Lawrence > County, Pennsylvania. It agreed with the first > sample, and the new participant descends from a > different son of John than the existing participant > which means that the assignment of DNA type should > be robust. > > So now we can add this John Newton (1772-1847) to > the list of NEWTON men for which we have a klind of > "DNA litmus test" for. In the future, anyone with > unknown heritage my use this assignment and a DNA > test for themselves to see if they have descent from > this family. > > Moreover, perhaps, is that since the DNA type is > known, it makes a solid baseline by which to compare > other groups which may come along. > > Interestingly, the DNA matches another sample in our > NEWTON group who descends from William Field Newton, > whose ancestry traces (according to some) back to > George Newton of Norfolk, Virginia. It may be that > this Virginia line gave rise to this Pennsylvania > line. My opinion is that this is an unusual > migration pattern, given the counties involved. But > since it would have been immediately > pre-revolution...well, there were a lot of things > going on. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/newtondna/ > > Best, > > Gregg Bonner > NEWTON Surname DNA Project Group Administrator > > > > --------------------------------- > Luggage? GPS? 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Hi Connie, The contact person for our "Type 'H' " NEWTON DNA participant suggests descent from Timothy such that the line goes through William Mortimer Newton, grandson of Timothy, and who was born in 1829. With the birthdates of Timothy, and the William B. Newton intervening Timothy and above William Mortimer unknown, it can't be known whether this is possible or not. But you can play with generation times to see if it is plausible. It also depends on the accuracy of the 1756 estimate for Roswell. It would require 3 generations in a row with average generation of less than 25 years per generation. I think this is a little unlikely, statistically. But it certainly isn't impossible. But more to the point, the DNA works, and the geography goes along with that. Type H is a good match (24 of 25 markers identical) to our type "J" that derives from the large family of Richard Newton of Sudbury, Mass. I would be pretty surprised if the existing type H participant did not descend one way or another from this Richard Newton. But as far as the paper evidence, I am afraid I know nearly zilch. One thing that is good about having so many "J" types is that some of them have tested a lot of markers. So it may be possible in the case of "J", and even "J"-like NEWTONs (such as "H") that we can not only prove (more or less) that one descends from a particular person, but we should be able to make educated guesses on which branch WITHIN the tree from which one descends. Of course that relies on lots of samples, and most/all of them testing a lot of markers. Best, Gregg Constance Ruffley <sarawick@pacbell.net> wrote: While looking at the Newton DNA Project, I noticed Node H for Timothy Newton, d. 1843, Wesleyville, Erie Co., PA. It is possible that this Timothy Newton is the son of Roswell Newton (b. ca. 1756, MA) and (dont' have my genealogy in front of me) is the brother of Roswell (b. ca 1790), Wayrum (b. ca. 1791), John, and Naomi Newton - all of whom were born in Massachusetts. Roswell (b. ca. 1790, m. Abigail Loomis), Wayrum (m. Celia LNU), Timothy, and John left Hampden, MA and migrated to Erie Co., PA in the early 1800's (see Fed. Census Records, Erie Co., PA, 1810), and, then into to Crawford co., PA (see Fed. Census Records, Crawford co., PA, 1820). Roswell Newton and Abigail (Loomis) Newton had a daughter Nancy through whom I am descend. Connie Sloan Ruffley Gregg Bonner wrote: Hi Folks, Recently we got a second sample tested from John Newton (23 Jan 1772 - 14 Oct 1847) of Lawrence County, Pennsylvania. It agreed with the first sample, and the new participant descends from a different son of John than the existing participant which means that the assignment of DNA type should be robust. So now we can add this John Newton (1772-1847) to the list of NEWTON men for which we have a klind of "DNA litmus test" for. In the future, anyone with unknown heritage my use this assignment and a DNA test for themselves to see if they have descent from this family. Moreover, perhaps, is that since the DNA type is known, it makes a solid baseline by which to compare other groups which may come along. Interestingly, the DNA matches another sample in our NEWTON group who descends from William Field Newton, whose ancestry traces (according to some) back to George Newton of Norfolk, Virginia. It may be that this Virginia line gave rise to this Pennsylvania line. My opinion is that this is an unusual migration pattern, given the counties involved. But since it would have been immediately pre-revolution...well, there were a lot of things going on. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/newtondna/ Best, Gregg Bonner NEWTON Surname DNA Project Group Administrator --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.

While looking at the Newton DNA Project, I noticed Node H for Timothy Newton, d. 1843, Wesleyville, Erie Co., PA. It is possible that this Timothy Newton is the son of Roswell Newton (b. ca. 1756, MA) and (dont' have my genealogy in front of me) is the brother of Roswell (b. ca 1790), Wayrum (b. ca. 1791), John, and Naomi Newton - all of whom were born in Massachusetts. Roswell (b. ca. 1790, m. Abigail Loomis), Wayrum (m. Celia LNU), Timothy, and John left Hampden, MA and migrated to Erie Co., PA in the early 1800's (see Fed. Census Records, Erie Co., PA, 1810), and, then into to Crawford co., PA (see Fed. Census Records, Crawford co., PA, 1820). Roswell Newton and Abigail (Loomis) Newton had a daughter Nancy through whom I am descend. Connie Sloan Ruffley Gregg Bonner <greggbonner@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Folks, Recently we got a second sample tested from John Newton (23 Jan 1772 - 14 Oct 1847) of Lawrence County, Pennsylvania. It agreed with the first sample, and the new participant descends from a different son of John than the existing participant which means that the assignment of DNA type should be robust. So now we can add this John Newton (1772-1847) to the list of NEWTON men for which we have a klind of "DNA litmus test" for. In the future, anyone with unknown heritage my use this assignment and a DNA test for themselves to see if they have descent from this family. Moreover, perhaps, is that since the DNA type is known, it makes a solid baseline by which to compare other groups which may come along. Interestingly, the DNA matches another sample in our NEWTON group who descends from William Field Newton, whose ancestry traces (according to some) back to George Newton of Norfolk, Virginia. It may be that this Virginia line gave rise to this Pennsylvania line. My opinion is that this is an unusual migration pattern, given the counties involved. But since it would have been immediately pre-revolution...well, there were a lot of things going on. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/newtondna/ Best, Gregg Bonner NEWTON Surname DNA Project Group Administrator --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks, Recently we got a second sample tested from John Newton (23 Jan 1772 - 14 Oct 1847) of Lawrence County, Pennsylvania. It agreed with the first sample, and the new participant descends from a different son of John than the existing participant which means that the assignment of DNA type should be robust. So now we can add this John Newton (1772-1847) to the list of NEWTON men for which we have a klind of "DNA litmus test" for. In the future, anyone with unknown heritage my use this assignment and a DNA test for themselves to see if they have descent from this family. Moreover, perhaps, is that since the DNA type is known, it makes a solid baseline by which to compare other groups which may come along. Interestingly, the DNA matches another sample in our NEWTON group who descends from William Field Newton, whose ancestry traces (according to some) back to George Newton of Norfolk, Virginia. It may be that this Virginia line gave rise to this Pennsylvania line. My opinion is that this is an unusual migration pattern, given the counties involved. But since it would have been immediately pre-revolution...well, there were a lot of things going on. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/newtondna/ Best, Gregg Bonner NEWTON Surname DNA Project Group Administrator --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

Hi Folks, We recently got a perfect match for our existing "Type 'S' " DNA. This came as no surprise, since the folks involved had the same putative ancestry trace, etc. The most recent common ancestor of the two is John E. Newton (03 Feb 1809 - 02 Aug 1881). I have seen him listed also as John Allen Newton, which makes me wonder if he may not have been John Ethan Allen Newton, but that's wild speculation on my part. The new sample is being tested at many more markers than the original, and given the exact match thus far, and seeing nothing complicating about the line, it seems that a "DNA litmus test" will be gained for this John E. Newton. Anyway, John is said to descend from Peter Newton (1755-1823), of St. Margaret Parish, and last of the area given in the subject line. Further testing should help illuminate this line and others. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/newtondna/ Best, Gregg Bonner NEWTON Surname DNA Project Group Administrator --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.

Gay and Mae, I have updated my websites to reflect what you have been telling us on John Newton d. 1788/1799. Also changed his wives to Mary Mitchell and Naomi Richardson? I tried to show that this John Newton wasn't the Sgt. John Newton in the Rev. War in SC. I still haven't found his estate papers. I couldn't find them in the estate indexes in SC. Does anyone have a copy that they would share? I understand that some folks have seen them as they are telling about things that are in his estate folder. I understand there are other documents on this family but I just can't seem to locate them to prove what we have on these familys. Can anyone tell me where to find these documents on This John Newton d. 1798/1799? DAVE My updated websites: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=otime http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=cateel From: LYNDON NIX <warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net> To: newton@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:57:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John and Mary Mitchell (Naomi) Newton David, Who told you that Mary may have had a middle name? I don't know how many times I have told this, but I am the one who started calling Mary, Mary Naomi, I'm the culprit, and I guess this will haunt me till I die. I started that in the 1960's. Like I have stated before, I started my genealogy 38 years ago, and was confused at Carrie Newton Wright's statement in the Boddie Book about John and Naomi. At that time period when Carrie went into the DAR, she went in on John and stated his wife was Naomi, now after the book was published, the Travel and Religious Experience Of Isaac Newton was found in possession of Nora Cantrell, the original, which the top had been brittle and torn with age, it said son of John and Mary Newton, I do not know who ended up with this priceless documentation. But Miss Annie Lee Boggs who lived in Pendleton, South Carolina typed what it said leaving off what had been torn at the top of the page. This was done in the 1960's I have a copy of that one which was done back in the 1960's, if you have the one that someone added Naomi to it, then yours would be fake. What I am also trying to make myself clear on is that Carrie Newton Wright never knew that her ancestor was Mary Mitchell and not Naomi, like she claimed, I don't believe she ever knew that new evidence had surfaced. If my memory serves me right she was in her late 80's,when she was interested in her Newton family. Her son was a Doctor in Ala, when I last heard from her, she said her son was going to put a stop to her genealogy, because she would get to excited over letters and etc, so I quit writting to her, she had moved in with him. Now to make things worse and I do take the blame for this also. I sent a family group sheet to Gail Andrews with information about her family, by mistake I had not changed the data on John Newton's family group sheet and it still said Mary Naomi Newton. Then Gail not knowing it was incorrect sent it out all over the internet, she sent it to Cindy Teel, who had a web page and published it on her sight. David Payne told me that Cindy was his daughter, and she no longer maintains the sight, so he took over the web page for her. which I'm sure is a full time job. David, Mary Mitchell Newton died in the 1790's are right after 1790 census. Then he married Naomi, sorry to say, South Carolina wasn't required to record marriages in that time frame. Naomi after John died, left and went to Tenn and ended up in Mo where she died. I have lots of info on that family, but Ernest should be able to tell you what you need to know about that side of the family, because he descends from Larkin. Now where do you get that John died in 1787? What happened to the data I sent you, I thought it was pretty well documented. Estate papers say 1799. John Newton's son Isaac writes in his Travels that he and his father John went to Va in 1798, he is alive and well other than he did have rheumatism. David have you had the time to correct Henry's wife's name to Nancy Davidson and not Glass? Gay Nix 1526 W. Hull st Denison, Texas 75020 Please feel free to call are write me. Phone: 903-465-7964 From: "Mae Cox" <mae@coxok.com> To: <newton@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:48:30 -0600 Subject: Re: [NEWTON] John and Mary Mitchell (Naomi) Newton Well said, Gay. It's hard to believe that, as many times as you've given this information out, some folks still haven't grasped what you've told them. Another thing too.... Is the confusion on John Newton being in the Revolutionary War. Many folks still have the two combined into the same person.... I see that Cindy Teel has a memo/email posted there where someone is trying to get into the SAR/DAR on Sgt. John Newton's service when they are of our John Newton lineage. Folks... Listen up! John Newton born bet.1740-50 and died abt 1799, is NOT, and I repeat... Is NOT the Sgt. John Newton hero (b. 1755, d. 1780). Sgt. Newton died of smallpox at 25 years of age on a ship. Our John Newton was still alive and having kids at that time! Mae Cox in Oklahoma John > Henry > Isaac Mitchell > Jasper 'Jap' > Flora David S. 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I am trying to locate the decendants of these four brothers, Their parents were Eugene "Peter" Newton b. 1878 VT and Nina Perham b. 29 Aug 1891 in NH Charles Newton, b. 1913 in Vermont Ernest Newton b. 21 Feb 1914 VT d. 25 Feb 1998 Rutland, VT Melvin Perham Newton b. 1916 or 1917 VT d.19 Jul 1999 Los Angeles, CA Warren B. Newton b. 6 Aug 1923 VT d. 8 Aug 1996 Klamath Falls, OR Spouse: Ruby Thank you, Patricia Westerfield

Steve: My gr-grandmother was Lydia Louise Newton m. Wm S. Tucker b 1802, Lenox,MA. She b. CT. I have sugar tongs(?) (that have her intials. She was b. ~ 1811. Would my DNA be of help, or is that too far removed. She was of the line out of Colchester: James m. Susannah Wyatt Israel m. Lois Treadway Asa b. 1754, Colchester, New London CT, m. Lydia Worthington in 1777 Elias (1780-1851) m. Judith Worthington Lydia Louise, b. 1811, who m. Wm Samuel Tucker of Lenox. On the Tucker line, the eldest living is a female who is in her 70s. Marilyn Arnold ________________________________________________________________________ FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.pd?c=uol5752

Thank you for the offer, but unfortunately the DNA tests are done on male descendents only. You would have to be a male Newton descended through a line of male Newtons. --- "n-englander@juno.com" <n-englander@juno.com> wrote: > Steve: My gr-grandmother was Lydia Louise Newton m. > Wm S. Tucker b > 1802, Lenox,MA. She b. CT. > > I have sugar tongs(?) (that have her intials. She > was b. ~ 1811. > > Would my DNA be of help, or is that too far removed. > She was of the > line out of Colchester: > > James m. Susannah Wyatt > Israel m. Lois Treadway > Asa b. 1754, Colchester, New London CT, m. Lydia > Worthington in 1777 > Elias (1780-1851) m. Judith Worthington > Lydia Louise, b. 1811, who m. Wm Samuel Tucker of > Lenox. > > On the Tucker line, the eldest living is a female > who is in her 70s. > > Marilyn Arnold > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > FREE Reminder Service - NEW from > AmericanGreetings.com > Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or > Anniversary again! > http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.pd?c=uol5752 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to NEWTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Although there are several DNA test participants who can trace their ancestry to Richard Newton of Sudbury, MA, and a single participant from the family of Roger Newton of Milford, CT, there are no participants from the other 3 early New England Newton families: Thomas Newton of Fairfield, Ct (1612-1683), Matthew Newton of Stonington, CT (1690- ) and Samuel Newton of Groton, CT (1678-1745). Although many of us match the DNA of descendants of Richard, it is possible we are from one of these other families that have not been tested. Their DNA may be identical to that of Richard, which means we may be searching through records of the wrong family. In addition, there has been speculation that Thomas and Roger Newton were cousins. DNA testing of someone from Thomas' family would show if any relationship exists. I would be willing to pay for the basic DNA test for anyone who can show descent from the three untested families. It would give me peace of mind to know I am researching the correct line. Steve Newton

I have been looking through the 1841 and 1851 census and it seems to say they were employed as FYOK, does this mean anything to anybody???

Hi Gregg, Thanks for the worthwhile idea. I've wondered if anyone had tried the mtDNA for genealogy purposes but like you said I can understand how it could be very tricky. As far as Mary's two daughters Sally and Polly, I haven't figured out who or if they married. They are not buried under their maiden names in the cemeteries where the other family members are buried in VT, NY, and OH, so my best guess is that they married. One single woman fitting the age of Polly was living with Mary in 1830 in NY, and I'm betting she married after that. NY state didn't keep marriage records in that era so it is up to other sources to provide that information, which I haven't found. At least for me, I can't utilize the mtDNA for Mary right now. Best wishes, Gary --- Gregg Bonner wrote: > I don't know the answer, but I think it is worth > considering, or at > least knowing the possibilities of another DNA > test...perhaps even if > applied only to other families people are > researching. > > The mtDNA passes from mother to child. So if someone > can be found who > has Mary as their mother's mother's (etc.) mother, > then you can have > them tested for mtDNA, and then match them up to to > a similarly > described descendant of your "target" person. This > could identify > Mary's mother. > > The tracing is a little tricky, since the surname > changes every > generation, but if Mary had several daughters, then > there is a decent > chance you can do it. > > I think this is germane to the NEWTON DNA Project, > and this type of > thing could be done under the auspices of the > project. > > Best, > > Gregg Bonner > Bethany, Oklahoma, USA >