Thank you for your help. Gerri ---------- >From: NEWGEN-D-request@rootsweb.com >To: NEWGEN-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: NEWGEN-D Digest V00 #643 >Date: Tue, Nov 7, 2000, 9:20 AM > > Content-Type: text/plain > > NEWGEN-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 643 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [NEWGEN] Publish Private Info [Roy Stockdill <roystock@compuserve] > #2 [NEWGEN] Election Day [Roy Stockdill <roystock@compuserve] > #3 Re: [NEWGEN] Election Day ["Jean Payton" <jeanpayton@ameritec] > #4 [NEWGEN] Still looking for.Grant.B ["w_grant" <w_grant@optusnet.com.au] > #5 Re: [NEWGEN] Election Day ["Sally Rolls Pavia" <pavia@futureo] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from NEWGEN-D, send a message to > > NEWGEN-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ARE YOU A MEMBER OF ROOTSWEB? > HTTP://WWW.ROOTSWEB.COM FOR INFORMATION > WE CANNOT SURVIVE WITHOUT YOU > ______________________________ > X-Message: #1 > Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 05:28:38 -0500 > From: Roy Stockdill <roystock@compuserve.com> > To: NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200011070528_MC2-B9E1-A5F5@compuserve.com> > Subject: [NEWGEN] Publish Private Info > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Dr Bill wrote... > >>> Best rule, don't publish living > folks without their WRITTEN approval.<< > > WITH respect, dear Dr Bill, I must disagree! I don't believe you can make > any hard and fast rules on this and I think that each case must be judged > separately on its merits. I am afraid I take the view that there is far too > much prissiness and preciousness around about so-called "privacy". Provided > the information has been entirely legally and properly obtained from > sources which are clearly in the public domain, I see no reason whatsoever > why it should not be published and without recourse to the subject. It may > be only polite to ask their permission, especially if they are a close > relative (and you don't want to be cut out of their will!), but in theory > anyway I see no particular reason why permission should be sought to > publish material about living people. > > Were this to be the case, there would have been no decent truthful > biography of anyone published in the last 100 years! Instead of honest, > investigative work, we would have a flood of bland, boring, sanitised tomes > written by individuals which totally conceal the truth about themselves. > Give me Kitty Kelley on Frank Sinatra and Nancy Reagan and Prince Philip, > rather than Frank Sinatra on Frank Sinatra, Nancy Reagan on Nancy Reagan > and Prince Philip on Prince Philip, any day of the week, if you see what I > mean. How are genealogists and biographers researching the lives of the > famous to work if they have to go running to them to ask their permission > every time? Whilst it may be argued that ordinary people are a different > case, I can't see it myself. If you have a rule you must stick to it for > all. > > I fail to understand why there is so much preciousness about birth dates > and addresses. I realise the US system varies from state to state, but here > in the UK we are able to go and obtain the birth certificate of anyone we > like on payment of a fee of six pounds, 50 pence (about 10 dollars). I can > get my next door neighbour's birth certificate and he can get mine and why > not? The fact that I was born on a particular date is not my exclusive > property, it is a matter of public record. So why should I care about > someone else knowing it and publishing it if they want to? And please don't > throw the old chestnut at me about fraud and that sort of thing. This is a > problem for the banks and security forces, who should surely be clever > enough to think up something more secure than one's birth date to protect > people against confidence tricksters. > > I do not regard my address as being secret, either. I am in the phone book > and on the electoral register. Where's the big deal? Honestly, some people > are so precious about their privacy you would think they regard what they > had for breakfast as a state secret! Let's not forgot that as genealogists, > we are not just hobbyists but historians, too. In recording living people > today, we are providing information for historians of the future. It's up > to us to tell the truth as we discover it, not conceal facts just because > they might upset dear old Aunt Maude. > > My rule is, if the data is very clearly in the public domain, accesible to > all and is seen to be so, then you don't need anyone's permission to > publish. There is already far too much secrecy perpetrated by governments > and other powerful agencies and big multinational companies. We as ordinary > people do not need to join in the climate of excessive privacy. > > Roy Stockdill > Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies > The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) > STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP > GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & > West Ridings > MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire > Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock > Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- http://www.one-name.org > ”Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. > If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and > humorist 1771-1845) > > ______________________________ > X-Message: #2 > Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 06:06:40 -0500 > From: Roy Stockdill <roystock@compuserve.com> > To: NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200011070606_MC2-B9EB-FCF6@compuserve.com> > Subject: [NEWGEN] Election Day > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Dr Bill wrote..... > >>>Vote your conscience, but for heavens sake VOTE.<< > > I EXPECT I will get a barrage of abuse heaped on my head as an outsider > butting in on America's private affairs, but I thought you folks might like > to know how the US election is being seen over here by the British media. > The Daily Mail, a popular, middle-market national daily tabloid, probably > sums it up when they describe it as a contest between "The Nerd" and "The > Nincompoop." I don't, presumably, have to tell you which candidate they > regard as which! This is a polite - no, perhaps not so polite - way of > saying that neither candidate is too highly rated here. The same paper also > publishes a report by its special correspondent covering the election that > a poll shows that a quarter of all young Americans aged between 18 and 24 > have never heard of either Gore or Bush! Can this be really true? > > Gore is portrayed as being a smart alec, too clever by half for your > average redneck Joe Sixpack voter in Kansas, but very boring to most > people, while I am afraid Bush is seen here as being somewhat...er, how can > I put this delicately...shall we say, "intellectually challenged". Whereas > Clinton had trouble keeping his trousers on, George W. Bush is seen by most > commentators here as a man who has trouble finding his own fly buttons! > What worries the commentators is that a man who aspires to be president of > the most powerful nation on earth has such an insular view of the world > that he has only ever been outside America three times, has never once been > to Europe and appears never to have heard of any other world leaders. Our > media are asking how he will deal with the likes of the Russiaian > president, the Chinese and our own Tony Blair, who is one of the smartest > politicians who ever lived and formed an outstanding personal rapport with > Clinton. Bush's verbal gaffes and his apparent inability to string more > than four words together coherently have been much seized upon, plus his > alcoholism, drink-driving case and lack of interest in the environment (we > are told he has turned Texas into the most polluted state in America). > No-one seems to have much to say about Gore, but the word "boring" crops up > quite a lot. > > In an interesting way it mirrors our own situation. We have a clever-dick > prime minister who is intellectually brilliant but seen by many as a man > who cannot be trusted, while the Tory leader William Hague is widely > regarded as an overgrown schoolboy with the brain power of a retarded > hamster. Politicians, who needs 'em! Personally, when I was last over in > your country back in May this year, I don't recall hearing anyone > discussing the upcoming election at all. There seemed to be a distinct lack > of interest at that time. > > As I pointed out at the start of this message, I am merely giving you the > wider view from this side of the pond, not necessarily my own, so keep the > flames mild, eh!!! > > Roy Stockdill > Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies > The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) > STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP > GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & > West Ridings > MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire > Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock > Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- http://www.one-name.org > ”Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. > If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and > humorist 1771-1845) > > ______________________________ > X-Message: #3 > Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 06:54:22 -0500 > From: "Jean Payton" <jeanpayton@ameritech.net> > To: NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <087e01c048b1$78aa1e80$c8d38dce@pavilion> > Subject: Re: [NEWGEN] Election Day > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > You coulnd't have put it much better than any of us. You are so right about > the opinion of our Presidents elect! > Jean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Stockdill" <roystock@compuserve.com> > To: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:06 AM > Subject: [NEWGEN] Election Day > > > Dr Bill wrote..... > >>>Vote your conscience, but for heavens sake VOTE.<< > > I EXPECT I will get a barrage of abuse heaped on my head as an outsider > butting in on America's private affairs, but I thought you folks might like > to know how the US election is being seen over here by the British media. > The Daily Mail, a popular, middle-market national daily tabloid, probably > sums it up when they describe it as a contest between "The Nerd" and "The > Nincompoop." I don't, presumably, have to tell you which candidate they > regard as which! This is a polite - no, perhaps not so polite - way of > saying that neither candidate is too highly rated here. The same paper also > publishes a report by its special correspondent covering the election that > a poll shows that a quarter of all young Americans aged between 18 and 24 > have never heard of either Gore or Bush! Can this be really true? > > Gore is portrayed as being a smart alec, too clever by half for your > average redneck Joe Sixpack voter in Kansas, but very boring to most > people, while I am afraid Bush is seen here as being somewhat...er, how can > I put this delicately...shall we say, "intellectually challenged". Whereas > Clinton had trouble keeping his trousers on, George W. Bush is seen by most > commentators here as a man who has trouble finding his own fly buttons! > What worries the commentators is that a man who aspires to be president of > the most powerful nation on earth has such an insular view of the world > that he has only ever been outside America three times, has never once been > to Europe and appears never to have heard of any other world leaders. Our > media are asking how he will deal with the likes of the Russiaian > president, the Chinese and our own Tony Blair, who is one of the smartest > politicians who ever lived and formed an outstanding personal rapport with > Clinton. Bush's verbal gaffes and his apparent inability to string more > than four words together coherently have been much seized upon, plus his > alcoholism, drink-driving case and lack of interest in the environment (we > are told he has turned Texas into the most polluted state in America). > No-one seems to have much to say about Gore, but the word "boring" crops up > quite a lot. > > In an interesting way it mirrors our own situation. We have a clever-dick > prime minister who is intellectually brilliant but seen by many as a man > who cannot be trusted, while the Tory leader William Hague is widely > regarded as an overgrown schoolboy with the brain power of a retarded > hamster. Politicians, who needs 'em! Personally, when I was last over in > your country back in May this year, I don't recall hearing anyone > discussing the upcoming election at all. There seemed to be a distinct lack > of interest at that time. > > As I pointed out at the start of this message, I am merely giving you the > wider view from this side of the pond, not necessarily my own, so keep the > flames mild, eh!!! > > Roy Stockdill > Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies > The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) > STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP > GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & > West Ridings > MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire > Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock > Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- http://www.one-name.org > "Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. > If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and > humorist 1771-1845) > > > ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > HTTP://WWW.DR-FOX.COM HAS A LINKS PAGE WITH > MANY, MANY HOOK-UPS TO VALUABLE INFORMATION SITES. > > ______________________________ > X-Message: #4 > Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:29:11 +1000 > From: "w_grant" <w_grant@optusnet.com.au> > To: NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <003301c048b6$560e4f40$6f3c8ec6@wendy> > Subject: [NEWGEN] Still looking for.Grant.Bonnett.Leathem.Criglington.O'Hara. > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, researching Grant from Leicestershire. Lost John after he left England > and settled in America. > > Bonnetts.Trying to find the family of Henry and Elizabeth, after the 1881 > census they move house in Leicester where too? Reappeared 1901 Stonebridge > St. But I need to find out where they where in 1891 for missing children's names. > > Leathems from the Maze area of Lisburn N.Ireland. > Criglington any one with this name please.? > O'Hara's from Crookedstone or Ballyrobin. One branch lost!!! Jane born 1870 > was either a student or had some thing to do with Queens University > Belfast. Any information would be great thanks. > > Have a good day, Wendy aussie land. > > ______________________________ > X-Message: #5 > Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 06:45:41 -0700 > From: "Sally Rolls Pavia" <pavia@futureone.com> > To: NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <001901c048c1$060a4c00$2308fad1@pavia> > Subject: Re: [NEWGEN] Election Day > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Great email re election. Hope a larger majority of folk get out and vote > than usual; Mother and I were there before the polls were open at 6am. Will > be interesting to see what happens once all the state results are in. > > Sally > Sun City, AZ > "My idea of housework is to sweep the room with a glance." >