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Genealogy Archive (GENARC), it's through the Texas State Library and it's particularly good for adoptions. Once you fill out a registration form you can search for: TX, CA, OH, KY birth indexes TEXAS search BIRTH, DEATH, DELAYED books by ADDRESS SS, CERT, LICENSE#... MARRIAGE, PROBATE, CEMETERY books Under Construction http://miner.adoptionsearching.com Sally Rolls Pavia <mailto:sallypavia2001@yahoo.com> sallypavia2001@yahoo.com "A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good." List Owner: <mailto:GENEALOGYBITSANDPIECES-L-request@rootsweb.com> GENEALOGYBITSANDPIECES-L-request@rootsweb.com Archives: <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GENEALOGYBITSANDPIECES> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GENEALOGYBITSANDPIECES "All incoming and outgoing email checked by Norton Anti-Virus"

GenoGold . Fast growing & cleverly searchable databases of UK parish records, census, diaries, one name studies. FREE to access and use. Unusual and hard-to-find records and collections. Contributors welcome. www.genogold.com <http://www.genogold.com/> World War II Military Service Units - I Dream of Genealogy Free online database of WWII Military Service Units - Access this and over 75,000 other online databases at I Dream of Genealogy. www.idreamof.com/military/ww2.htm <http://www.idreamof.com/military/ww2.htm> Examples of Databases at this site: New Genealogy Databases .. www.idreamof.com/newdata.html Lost and Found Family Treasures .. www.idreamof.com/lost.html School Records .. www.idreamof.com/school.html Sally Rolls Pavia sallypavia2001@yahoo.com "A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good." List Owner: GENEALOGYBITSANDPIECES-L-request@rootsweb.com Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GENEALOGYBITSANDPIECES "All incoming and outgoing email checked by Norton Anti-Virus"

"The London Gazette," first published in 1665, is the oldest, continuously published newspaper in the United Kingdom and probably the world. Its 20th-century archive can be searched and viewed online. http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/generalArchive.asp?webType=0 Example: Publication Date: Friday, 17 September 2004 Notice Code: 2503 STUBBS,Joanna, (Female), occupation unknown, of 28 Foxglove Close, Staines, Middlesex TW19 7UE. Court-KINGSTON-UPON-THAMES. Date of Filing Petition-10th June 2004. No. of Matter-208 of 2004. Date of Bankruptcy Order-7th September 2004. Whether Debtor's or Creditor's Petition-Creditor's. Official Receiver-6th Floor, Sunley House, Bedford Park, Croydon, CR9 1TX. (2154) +++++++++++++++ ENGLAND ... World War I and II veterans reported in London Times, 1943; 244 records; Paula Lucy Delosh http://userdb.rootsweb.com/uki/ Example: Name: STUBBS, JOHN Location of Event: WIRKSWORTH, DBY, ENG Date: 10 Sep 1764 Source: Ted Wildy's Marriage Witness Index Notes: witnessed the marriage of ISAIAH ABBOT and MARY WOOLLEY

RAF FOUNDED: April 1, 1918 On April 1, 1918, the Royal Air Force (RAF) is formed with the amalgamation of the Royal Flying Corps (RFC) and the Royal Naval Air Service (RNAS). The RAF took its place beside the British navy and army as a separate military service with its own ministry.In April 1911, eight years after Americans Wilbur and Orville Wright made the first flight of a self-propelled, heavier-than-air aircraft, an air battalion of the British army's Royal Engineers was formed at Larkhill in Wiltshire. The battalion consisted of aircraft, airship, balloon, and man-carrying kite companies. In December 1911, the British navy formed the Royal Naval Flying School at Eastchurch, Kent. In May 1912, both were absorbed into the newly created Royal Flying Corps, which established a new flying school at Upavon, Wiltshire, and formed new airplane squadrons. In July 1914, the specialized requirements of the navy led to the creation of RNAS.One month later, on August 4, Britain declared war on Germany and entered World War I. At the time, the RFC had 84 aircraft, and the RNAS had 71 aircraft and seven airships. Later that month, four RFC squadrons were deployed to France to support the British Expeditionary Force. During the next two years, Germany took the lead in air strategy with technologies like the manual machine gun, and England suffered bombing raids and frustration in the skies against German flying aces such as Manfred von Richthofen, "The Red Baron." Repeated German air raids led British military planners to push for the creation of a separate air ministry, which would carry out strategic bombing against Germany. On April 1, 1918, the RAF was formed along with a female branch of the service, the Women's Royal Air Force. That day, Bristol F.2B fighters of the 22nd Squadron carried out the first official missions of the RAF.By the war's end, in November 1918, the RAF had gained air superiority along the western front. The strength of the RAF in November 1918 was nearly 300,000 officers and airmen, and more than 22,000 aircraft. At the outbreak of World War II, in September 1939, the operational strength of the RAF in Europe had diminished to about 2,000 aircraft.In June 1940, the Western democracies of continental Europe fell to Germany one by one, leaving Britain alone in its resistance to Nazi Germany. Nazi leader Adolf Hitler planned an invasion of Britain and in July 1940 ordered his powerful air force--the Luftwaffe--to destroy British ports along the coast in preparation. The outnumbered RAF fliers put up a fierce resistance in the opening weeks of the Battle of Britain, leading the Luftwaffe commanders to place destruction of the British air fleet at the forefront of the German offensive. If the Germans succeeded in wiping out the RAF, they could begin their invasion as scheduled in the fall.During the next three months, however, the RAF successfully resisted the massive German air invasion, relying on radar technology, more maneuverable aircraft, and exceptional bravery. For every British plane shot down, two Luftwaffe warplanes were destroyed. In October, Hitler delayed the German invasion indefinitely, and in May 1941 the Battle of Britain came to an end. British Prime Minister Winston Churchill said of the RAF pilots, "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few."By the war's end in 1945, the strength of the RAF was nearly one million personnel. Later, this number was reduced and stabilized at about 150,000 men and women.

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Jinnye48@wmconnect.com wrote:From: Jinnye48@wmconnect.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:18:26 EST To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] U.S. 1790 Census The US Census Bureau has put the complete 1790 U.S. Census online at http://www2.census.gov/prod2/decennial/1790.htm These are very large files to download, but worth the wait if you need info from them and do not subscribe to one of the paid sites. ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." by Lazarus Long proud member of the IBSSG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun.

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Where Do I Find It? [http://shorl.com/holugabehiky for the entire article] - Michael John Neill The key to locating many genealogical records is location. The location where an event took place, the location where any events were recorded, and the current location of those records are all key factors in proving that an event took place. This week we discuss some ways to determine where records of vital events might have created. Marriage Records Civil records of marriages are usually a local responsibility, either at the county, town, or city level. The laws governing marriage are typically determined by the state. Consequently records within a specific state are relatively uniform, although there can be differences from one county or town to another. As a marriage is usually a contract between two individuals, records of marriages typically begin before records of births and deaths. A record of a marriage puts a man and a woman in the same place at the same time. The record may also provide additional information about the couple including their age, residence, and religious affiliation. Later materials may be even more detailed. Locating where a marriage took place can be difficult in some situations. There are several things to think about when trying to find where your ancestors got married: 1. Did they get married in the county in which they lived? 2. Did they marry in an adjacent state that might have had marriage laws that were more lax? 3. Where was their first child born? 4. Did they marry where the bride was from or where her parents were living? 5. Did they take the train and ride to an adjacent county (or a county a few counties over)? 6. Were they married by an itinerant minister who left no records? 7. Might they have gone to a nearby county to find the "right" church? 8. Did they elope in a county where no one would know them? 9. Were they ever "officially" married?

Colorado Scoundrels http://coloradoclues.com/scoundrels.htm?Scoundrels+of+1895= Example: HOFFMAN, Frank/BLATZ, Conrad BACK FROM CANON Two Prisoners Arrive Here In A State of Intoxication. Detective Chamber arrived in Denver this morning at 8 o'clock from Canon City with Frank Hoffman and Carl Blatz, the men released yesterday from the penitentiary. The prisoners are wanted on charges of passing forged checks on several business houses. The men, when they arrived in the city jail, were in a beastly state of intoxication and were consigned to the hospital cell to sleep off their dissipation. It is not known how the men became intoxicated as they were placed under arrest after they left the prison office. When they become sufficiently sober today, they will be taken before Justice Cowell for preliminary examination. Sally Rolls Pavia sallypavia2001@yahoo.com "A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good." List Owner: GENEALOGYBITSANDPIECES-L-request@rootsweb.com Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GENEALOGYBITSANDPIECES "All incoming and outgoing email checked by Norton Anti-Virus"

In a message dated 3/29/2005 4:52:52 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, db1753@dragonbbs.com writes: My Aunts husband always told us his parents were from Canada and his grandfather had been born on Prince Edward Island then they had come to Ontario to Wisconsin. We never doubted this and when my cousin asked me to help her look into her family history we find the grandfather was born in Prince Edward County, Ontario. The grandmother in Ohio. So the story had not strayed too much but the facts were a little mixed up. Hey List Members, We have a conversational thread going here!!! Let's keep it going! Barbara Vanzant

My Aunts husband always told us his parents were from Canada and his grandfather had been born on Prince Edward Island then they had come to Ontario to Wisconsin. We never doubted this and when my cousin asked me to help her look into her family history we find the grandfather was born in Prince Edward County, Ontario. The grandmother in Ohio. So the story had not strayed too much but the facts were a little mixed up. One of my favorite stories of Assuming things is that of a distant cousin in the 1930s who was researching the CAVE families of the Shenandoah Valley. He did lots of good work but he has my gggreat grandfather Benjamin running three families in three different states at the same time. A very BUSY farmer was he. Of course I could follow the census and see that these are three different Benjamin CAVE who are cousins, each with their own wife and family. I am not saying this didnt happen back then, as it did in some of my Mormon cousins families, some even served jail time for it, but not my little mountain man Grandpa CAVE. Sue Ellen Cave Ash "Life is what happens while you are making other plans"

In a message dated 3/29/2005 3:47:44 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jeanpayton@earthlink.net writes: And we wonder how we ever manage to find our ancestors with people like her out her on the internet. I think that most of us have at least one relative like the one you described. I have a first cousin who has put nothing but family MISINFORMATION on the internet; I nearly choke every time I run across it. Guess some people just don't care about honesty in family research, but I hope most do. Barbara V.

Here is another sample of assuming something that had been carried on for 63 yrs. My husbands' father stated that his mother was french and was born in Quebec. He stated his father was native american and was killed in 1910 because he took a white mans job. Well this story was carried down through the years so much that even the grandchildren believed they were native american. You could could at my father-in-law and swear he was native american. So after searching several years for his parents I happened to remember that he had stated that his sister was married in Wayne County so I went and got her marriage certificate. That one piece of paper gave me a place to look on Census Records and I headed off to the Michigan Library and I was going the Canadian film aisle and out popped this towns name. I snatched that roo of film up and threaded it and the very first page came up and I had found my husbands grandparents along with first three children and then the next census record ten years down the road showed they had six children. But... yes the mother was of French descent but was born in New York to parents who were also born in New York. The father stated on the Census she that he was born in Quebec so I had an approximate date and I hired a researcher to find him. Well lo and behold this man wasn't Native American he was Irish and Scots. His mother was born in Scotland, his father born in Ireland. So since I disproved this clue and I even got the father's death record which also proved he wasn't native american, but you know I have been unable to convince a niece of my husband, who is also into Genealogy but in her mind she is the only correct one and her line reflects only lies that she has continued to believe so much that she went out onto the internet and wrote to the Native American Website and stated that how she grew up believing she was native american and that her great grandmother was forced to change her childrens names and also her married name because she wasn't accepted in the white world but she couldn't prove that yet. Just this past weekend she has decided that since she has had no luck in finding her great grandparents and their parents she has now convinced herself that the great great great grandparents are the parents of the great grandfather and that he was now born in Scotland and that the great great grandparents were buried in an old catholic Cemetery. None of which is true. She lives in a fantasy world and wants her tree to look like royalty and I have given up trying to be helpful and nice because it is a lost cause. She took out of context what I wrote in one paragraph and added lies to make the question I posed look better then the straight facts. And we wonder how we ever manage to find our ancestors with people like her out her on the internet. Yesterday after looking for 20 yrs I was able to finally find my husbands' fourth oldest uncle and only because the World War I registration forms for one of the states have come out on Ancestry.com. I have finally gotten a break on this family and I hope all of the registration forms on all of the states hurry up and get put on the net so I can find the 2 and 3 oldest uncles. Don't we just all love this pouring over of old records? I love it and especially when I have finally cracked one mystery. We are planning a trip to Alaska and our first two stops will be in Wisconsin and in Oregon to vist the national cemetery where this uncle is buried and hopefully I will be able to locate living family. Jean

In a message dated 3/29/2005 2:34:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, WoodyWoodworth@aol.com writes: My Ggrandmother's name on a memorial marker was "Dolla". When we found the actual tombstone in another location, it was "Dolly". There were many hot discussions over the correct one, with those who saw only one marker arguing their version of the spelling and provided "proof" with pictures. Many years later, we received a letter from the descendants of her surname. They said her real name was neither Dolla nor Dolly, but Dorothy. (sigh) Isn't family research fun??? <G>

Yes, it's a good post about assumptions. Early on, I was proud of my detective work and assumptions, and got embarrassed on about every one later on by facts that surfaced. A more recent revelation was, "Don't always trust the name on the tombstone." My Ggrandmother's name on a memorial marker was "Dolla". When we found the actual tombstone in another location, it was "Dolly". There were many hot discussions over the correct one, with those who saw only one marker arguing their version of the spelling and provided "proof" with pictures. Many years later, we received a letter from the descendants of her surname. They said her real name was neither Dolla nor Dolly, but Dorothy. (sigh) Woody ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ db1753@dragonbbs.com writes: Thanks for pointing this article out to us. Assumptions! I suppose we have all made more than one of these assumptions in our years of research. I know I have. I have been doing a lot of searching in Census and finding errors in some of my earlier days of research. Sharing files on the World Connect site has brought me in touch with others who could help prove or disprove some of these assumptions. And I have been able to help others where I know they have the wrong information. Many of the genealogy sites are great for helping us to make a case one way or the other on these assumptions. There is one major genealogy web site that does not allow this interaction to correct the errors we find. I respect their research and all the data they have given to us, but wish they had an easier way of correcting files when we find wrong information. Last night I was on the LDS site www.familysearch.org and found some totally wrong information posted. The main problem there is, there seems to be no way to correct it as it was IGI submitted by someone a long time ago. No source or information as to where it came from. That bothers me a lot. We can have a good feeling that we are on the right track and suddenly find something that blows it all away. But on the other hand many of our assumptions and plain old "gut feelings" may indeed lead us to the right person or persons we are seeking. I think this is such a good article its worth printing out and posting it some place where it can be seen to remind us to always keep looking of the proven records. Sue Ellen

I simply had to reply to this one too! :) Kimberly Powell has great articles! Thanks again Sally for sharing them on NewGen. It seems that for some reason when we are traveling the days we set aside for cemetery research collide with Mother Nature more often than not. We end up in a remote country cemetery and out of the blue comes a dreadful rain storm. There isn't an extra day to come back, so we try to take photos until we are driven to our car from the storm that just wont let up, we finally are the ones who give up. So often this has happened that many of my cemetery photos are not very good, and we don't have the time or money to make a trip hundreds of miles away again. HOWEVER...there is help to be had! Bless those who are hard at work preserving the records! Many of the cemetery web sites, www.findagrave.com , for one fine example have folks who are posting photos of stones. I had poor photos of one in Oklahoma and a very kind soul went out to the cemetery and took photos and sent them to me by email JPEG so I could post them on my web site. Many county sites have volunteers who will help with photos of stones and who are already busily photographing the tombstones of the old cemeteries. Many cousins have shared with me from all around the nation, on recent trips they have made. In turn I have gone out locally and taken photos for some folks who live far away and sent them by regular mail as I dont have a new camera. It took longer for her to get the photos than if I had a digital camera, but they were thrilled to get them and it was such an easy task on my part. Again SHARING is the key Sue Ellen "Life is what happens while you are making other plans"