Maybe she was talking about location rather than nationality... --- Joe DeTata jdetata@angelfire.com On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 05:21:26 Roy Stockdill wrote: >Cyndi Howells wrote..... > >>>How about a list of ethnic and locality specific resources?<< > >PARDON a cynical old Brit butting in, but my immediate reaction on reading >the start of Cyndi'a message was to wonder what she meant by "locality >specific resources". It's not a very user-friendly phrase, is it? Then >looking at the list of websites, I realised she meant sources relating to >different countries. > >I hope Cyndi and everyone else on the list will take this in the spirit I >mean it, but we Brits do cringe ever so slightly sometimes at this kind of >American pseudo-Havard business jargon and we prefer good old-fashioned >English! In fact, there is a popular campaign here supported by lots of >famous people and consumer organisations called the "Campaign for Plain >English". What's wrong with "national" for "locality specific"? > >>>Genealogy Benelux Home Page > http://www.ufsia.ac.be/genealogy/<< > >I wonder how many folks are poring over their international atlases trying >to find a country called Benelux? For those who are not familiar with it, >it 's an acronym or collective name for Belgium, the Netherlands and >Luxembourg, the three countries that founded the core of the European >Economic Community. > >Roy Stockdill >Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies >The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) >STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP >GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & >West Ridings >MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire >Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock >Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. >If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and >humorist 1771-1845) > > > >==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB..............R.I.P. > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com

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Can anyone use them? If you want to put them on web site, all I as is for the addy and that it is a free site. Please email me privately, Carol PS. Will do look ups for anyone that can use them

At 02:11 PM 9/26/00 -0400, Roy Stockdill wrote: >Cyndi wrote..... > > >>Actually, you explained my reasoning for me. I use the term "locality" >because there is no "nation" called Benelux and a site like GENUKI covers >more than one nation as well (the United Kingdom and the Republic of >Ireland). Of course, a site such as that for Federation of East European >Family History Societies (FEEFHS) represents numerous nations that exist >today or existed at some point throughout history in what is now Eastern >Europe. Therefore the word "national" doesn't describe the contents of the > >list, but "locality-specific" does. In genealogy we research based on >localities, not on nationalities (just ask anyone with Prussian >ancestors...)<< > >I TAKE your point - it was just the term "locality-specific" that somehow >smacked to me of Harvard Business School-type jargon which I abhor, just as >I hate government civil service officialese and gobbledegook terms like >"workstations" (I still call them desks) and "downsizing" (I call it giving >people the sack) and "interpersonal workplace relationships" (bonking >somebody in the office, we call that!). > >I would agree with you about genealogy often transcending nationalities and >national boundaries and I can sympathise with people whose ancestry is >rooted in countries that no longer exist. However, it's not so much of a >problem in Britain since the last time we were successfully invaded by >anybody and had our nationality seriously challenged was by a fellow called >Bill of Normandy in 1066 (unless you count all those Yankee GIs and airmen >in World War II who walked off with half our womenfolk!!!). You don't >really hear people talking much about having Norman ancestry, since the >number who can actually trace their pedigree back over 900 years to the >Normans is infinitesimal. And even those who can wouldn't think of >themselves as being French! > >Likewise, coming from Yorkshire for many generations I undoubtedly possess >some Viking ancestry, but I certainly don't think of myself as being Danish >or Norwegian since the likelihood of my being able to trace my ancestry >back to the 8th and 9th centuries, when the Vikings arrived in Yorkshire, >is absolutely zilch. Nor do we think of ourselves in the wider context of >Europeans - that is an entirely political concept which Mr Blair is keen to >foist onto us. Genealogically speaking, we are English, Welsh, Scottish and >Irish, with influxes of Jews and Huguenots in earlier centuries and Asians >and Afro-Caribbeans in more recent times. > >It would seem to me that the longer a people become settled in a country, >then the more likely they are to think of themselves in "national" terms. > >Roy Stockdill Roy - I feel you may not want to be reminded of this, but there really *are* other countries and other groups of people living across the water (in all directions) from the British Isles. <G> Migration and movement of people is common throughout the world, so this isn't something unique to the United States. Therefore this isn't coming from a "U.S.-centric" viewpoint. After many years as Operations Officer in the International Division at Puget Sound Bank, I see the world as it is -- encompassing all countries, all localities, all nationalities and all types of people. After many years as a genealogist, I see the world as it is -- encompassing recent, ancient, religious, ethnic and political history. In other words, all things apply and all things should be considered as we research. There is a big, worldwide picture that needs to be remembered as we all take our places in this society that is the Internet. It is global. Political and physical boundaries do not apply here. If I were to push an American viewpoint and apply it all across the Internet, I would be wrong. If I were to push a historical viewpoint that only takes into account the history of "my" country or my family, I would be wrong. If I were to push the idea that an atlas published during any one specific period in history is correct, I would be wrong. All things apply. This is one world with many people, many ethnicities, many beliefs, many locations, and many versions of reality. It isn't appropriate to view everything from my own perspective. That wouldn't be fair to everyone else. My Grandad Nash had a favorite traditional Indian prayer that I feel applies to all things in our daily life: "Great Spirit - Grant that I may not criticize my neighbor until I have walked a mile in his moccasins." For what its worth, I don't subscribe to pc-babble either. And I am far from Harvard. I was born in Seattle, Washington, raised in Puyallup, Washington, and attended Western Washington University in Bellingham, Washington. My father's family has roots in Washington, North Dakota, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Maryland, Germany, Canada, England and Ireland. My mother's family has roots in California, South Dakota, Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Ohio, Connecticut, Sweden, Canada and Ireland. And to hammer my point home just one more time -- I wish I could recall which genealogical lecturer said this, but my brain refuses to recollect just now -- genealogy is like real estate. It is all about location, location, location. I'm off to fix broken links, Cyndi

Wendy YOU might try writing to the Leicestershire and Rutland Family History Society, or even consider joining it and posting your interests in their list of Members' Interests and see if anyone else is researching the Bonnett family. According to my Federation of Family History Societies handbook, the secretary is: Miss Diane Merryweather, 11 Faldo Close, Rushey Mead, Leicester LE4 7TS. I have looked in my Gibson Guide copy of "Marriage and Census Indexes for Family Historians" by Jeremy Gibson and Elizabeth Hampson to see whether the 1891 census for Leicester has been indexed, but regretfully it does not seem to have been. You might also post your query in the GENBRIT list and I am sure there is also a list for Leicestershire (look on the Rootsweb site). Presumably you have found them on the 1881 census discs? When you say you have "lost" them in the 1891, do you mean they weren't at the same address as in 1881? Could I ask how you know this if you haven't yet seen the 1891 census? One thought occurs - it is possible that Leicester Library possesses a set of electoral registers covering the period and perhaps you could hire a researcher locally to search them for you. However, these would be indexed by streets and not by surnames, as far as I am aware, so it might be just as large a task as searching the census! Roy Stockdill Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & West Ridings MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock ”Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and humorist 1771-1845) Original message..... >>Hi my name is Wendy, I live in Australia. I have lost my husbands grandmothers family in the 1891 census. Leicester. They moved house between 1881 and 1891, and again before 1916. St Catherine's house records came in and I ordered three births certificates in the hope of finding them, did find grandmothers uncle, but not her family! We do get a look at the 1891 census late next year in our library, but do you know of any other way other than the census to find them? ( census means when it arrives I will have to go through the whole of Leicester, not a small task? Researching Henry Bonnett. Many thanks Wendy.<<

--part1_ab.103de15.2702833c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Lina, I sure do agree with you! IKathy --part1_ab.103de15.2702833c_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <NEWGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (rly-zc04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.4]) by air-zc05.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.3) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:24:45 2000 Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:24:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e8PINIv30985; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:23:18 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:23:18 -0700 X-Original-Sender: lrmarkley@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 11:23:18 2000 X-Originating-IP: [63.27.223.254] From: "Lina Markley" <lrmarkley@hotmail.com> Old-To: sayres@bigpond.com, NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NEWGEN] Re: Edith Cockayne - Not knowing Where Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:23:14 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F269Sv5KmGHGc8X3gjv00003e5e@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2000 18:23:14.0896 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB5DCD00:01C0271D] Resent-Message-ID: <_5nNWB.A.9jH.Wg5z5@lists6.rootsweb.com> To: NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/23679 X-Loop: NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: NEWGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com X-Mailer: Unknown I wonder why , some of the family , will not tellyou anything about the past , don't they all know we have shelton in our clossets? This is nothing to be ashamed about , it is the way of life , there is no perfect person that lived onthis earth but one, and we all know who that is ....We have all did things we are not proud of , but ir sure would help us feel better if we could find out what in the past..Does any one agree with me???? Lina ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Steve & Helen" <sayres@bigpond.com> To: NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NEWGEN] Re: Edith Cockayne - Not knowing Where Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:28:49 +1000 This thread has been interesting as my mother would never talk about her family either. My mother came to Australia via Belgium and New Zealand from Younderhaugh, Falkirk, Scotland. My Grandfather (John Simpson Buchan Roy) was a wine merchant and appears to have either owned or managed hotels in Belfast, and England along the Scot/England border. When ever I asked my mother why did g'father migrate to Aussie land she would only say that it was not her business, if her father wanted her to know he would have told her. She was about 10 years of age when she arrived in Australia. Once she told me a little story how her father went into a bank in Falkirk one day and the teller remarked that he had just missed his father by five minutes, at the time the story meant nothing to me until I decided I would try and trace my family tree. If my gr grandparents had separated at some stage then the chance meeting would have meant something, unfortunately my mother would not open up and she passed away last year age 83. Researching: Wilson Roy Buchan Nightingale Gallie Sim Harley I notice that this group is predominantly American and in my search I found my Great Grandmother was Isabel Gallie and she had a sister Agnes who married James Finlay in Toronto on 4 November 1868 and lived in Battle Creek Michigan raising 10 children. I have a few other American names but very little details so once I put all the names into some sort of order I will have to try the local LDS centre. Thanks for all the ideas about where and how to search for family members, Regards Steve Ayres Sunbury Australia. ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== THE GENEALOGIST NEVER TAKES WITHOUT SHARING. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== ROOTSWEB.............R.I.P. --part1_ab.103de15.2702833c_boundary--

Hear Ye! Hear Ye! I agree wholeheartedly. I work at a desk and I certainly would not call it a workstation either. I am of this day and age, but tend to be mighty old fashioned. I am not French, Finnish, Scottish, etc., BUT "of French, Finnish, Scottish ancestry etc.". My two cents worth <grin> Antoinette waughtel@oz.net Roy Stockdill wrote: > Cyndi wrote..... > > >>Actually, you explained my reasoning for me. I use the term "locality" > because there is no "nation" called Benelux and a site like GENUKI covers > more than one nation as well (the United Kingdom and the Republic of > Ireland). Of course, a site such as that for Federation of East European > Family History Societies (FEEFHS) represents numerous nations that exist > today or existed at some point throughout history in what is now Eastern > Europe. Therefore the word "national" doesn't describe the contents of the > > list, but "locality-specific" does. In genealogy we research based on > localities, not on nationalities (just ask anyone with Prussian > ancestors...)<< > > I TAKE your point - it was just the term "locality-specific" that somehow > smacked to me of Harvard Business School-type jargon which I abhor, just as > I hate government civil service officialese and gobbledegook terms like > "workstations" (I still call them desks) and "downsizing" (I call it giving > people the sack) and "interpersonal workplace relationships" (bonking > somebody in the office, we call that!). > > I would agree with you about genealogy often transcending nationalities and > national boundaries and I can sympathise with people whose ancestry is > rooted in countries that no longer exist. However, it's not so much of a > problem in Britain since the last time we were successfully invaded by > anybody and had our nationality seriously challenged was by a fellow called > Bill of Normandy in 1066 (unless you count all those Yankee GIs and airmen > in World War II who walked off with half our womenfolk!!!). You don't > really hear people talking much about having Norman ancestry, since the > number who can actually trace their pedigree back over 900 years to the > Normans is infinitesimal. And even those who can wouldn't think of > themselves as being French! > > Likewise, coming from Yorkshire for many generations I undoubtedly possess > some Viking ancestry, but I certainly don't think of myself as being Danish > or Norwegian since the likelihood of my being able to trace my ancestry > back to the 8th and 9th centuries, when the Vikings arrived in Yorkshire, > is absolutely zilch. Nor do we think of ourselves in the wider context of > Europeans - that is an entirely political concept which Mr Blair is keen to > foist onto us. Genealogically speaking, we are English, Welsh, Scottish and > Irish, with influxes of Jews and Huguenots in earlier centuries and Asians > and Afro-Caribbeans in more recent times. > > It would seem to me that the longer a people become settled in a country, > then the more likely they are to think of themselves in "national" terms. > > Roy Stockdill > Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies > The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) > STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP > GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & > West Ridings > MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire > Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock > ”Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. > If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and > humorist 1771-1845) > > ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > NO BIT OF INFORMATION OR TIP IS MINOR WHEN IT CAN LEAD TO A MAJOR FIND.

Cyndi wrote..... >>Actually, you explained my reasoning for me. I use the term "locality" because there is no "nation" called Benelux and a site like GENUKI covers more than one nation as well (the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland). Of course, a site such as that for Federation of East European Family History Societies (FEEFHS) represents numerous nations that exist today or existed at some point throughout history in what is now Eastern Europe. Therefore the word "national" doesn't describe the contents of the list, but "locality-specific" does. In genealogy we research based on localities, not on nationalities (just ask anyone with Prussian ancestors...)<< I TAKE your point - it was just the term "locality-specific" that somehow smacked to me of Harvard Business School-type jargon which I abhor, just as I hate government civil service officialese and gobbledegook terms like "workstations" (I still call them desks) and "downsizing" (I call it giving people the sack) and "interpersonal workplace relationships" (bonking somebody in the office, we call that!). I would agree with you about genealogy often transcending nationalities and national boundaries and I can sympathise with people whose ancestry is rooted in countries that no longer exist. However, it's not so much of a problem in Britain since the last time we were successfully invaded by anybody and had our nationality seriously challenged was by a fellow called Bill of Normandy in 1066 (unless you count all those Yankee GIs and airmen in World War II who walked off with half our womenfolk!!!). You don't really hear people talking much about having Norman ancestry, since the number who can actually trace their pedigree back over 900 years to the Normans is infinitesimal. And even those who can wouldn't think of themselves as being French! Likewise, coming from Yorkshire for many generations I undoubtedly possess some Viking ancestry, but I certainly don't think of myself as being Danish or Norwegian since the likelihood of my being able to trace my ancestry back to the 8th and 9th centuries, when the Vikings arrived in Yorkshire, is absolutely zilch. Nor do we think of ourselves in the wider context of Europeans - that is an entirely political concept which Mr Blair is keen to foist onto us. Genealogically speaking, we are English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish, with influxes of Jews and Huguenots in earlier centuries and Asians and Afro-Caribbeans in more recent times. It would seem to me that the longer a people become settled in a country, then the more likely they are to think of themselves in "national" terms. Roy Stockdill Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & West Ridings MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock ”Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and humorist 1771-1845)

At 05:21 AM 9/26/00 -0400, Roy Stockdill wrote: >Cyndi Howells wrote..... > > >>How about a list of ethnic and locality specific resources?<< > >PARDON a cynical old Brit butting in, but my immediate reaction on reading >the start of Cyndi'a message was to wonder what she meant by "locality >specific resources". It's not a very user-friendly phrase, is it? Then >looking at the list of websites, I realised she meant sources relating to >different countries. > >I hope Cyndi and everyone else on the list will take this in the spirit I >mean it, but we Brits do cringe ever so slightly sometimes at this kind of >American pseudo-Havard business jargon and we prefer good old-fashioned >English! In fact, there is a popular campaign here supported by lots of >famous people and consumer organisations called the "Campaign for Plain >English". What's wrong with "national" for "locality specific"? > > >>Genealogy Benelux Home Page > http://www.ufsia.ac.be/genealogy/<< > >I wonder how many folks are poring over their international atlases trying >to find a country called Benelux? For those who are not familiar with it, >it 's an acronym or collective name for Belgium, the Netherlands and >Luxembourg, the three countries that founded the core of the European >Economic Community. > >Roy Stockdill Roy & All - Actually, you explained my reasoning for me. I use the term "locality" because there is no "nation" called Benelux and a site like GENUKI covers more than one nation as well (the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland). Of course, a site such as that for Federation of East European Family History Societies (FEEFHS) represents numerous nations that exist today or existed at some point throughout history in what is now Eastern Europe. Therefore the word "national" doesn't describe the contents of the list, but "locality-specific" does. In genealogy we research based on localities, not on nationalities (just ask anyone with Prussian ancestors...) Cyndi

Hi my name is Wendy, I live in Australia. I have lost my husbands grandmothers family in the 1891 census. Leicester. They moved house between 1881 and 1891, and again before 1916. St Catherine's house records came in and I ordered three births certificates in the hope of finding them, did find grandmothers uncle, but not her family! We do get a look at the 1891 census late next year in our library, but do you know of any other way other than the census to find them? ( census means when it arrives I will have to go through the whole of Leicester, not a small task? Researching Henry Bonnett. Many thanks Wendy.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------667184C656E0E8D5424D2D54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hope this helps Carol --------------667184C656E0E8D5424D2D54 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <sarge1946@home.com> Received: from mail1.rdc1.il.home.com ([24.2.1.76]) by orion.ckt.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64901U6500L650S0V35) with ESMTP id net for <sbrooks@ckt.net>; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:41:19 -0500 Received: from c940194a ([24.22.145.77]) by mail1.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000926044201.MUXK21480.mail1.rdc1.il.home.com@c940194a>; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:42:01 -0700 Message-ID: <004d01c02774$1c243b40$4d911618@belvil1.il.home.com> From: "Gus Carroll" <sarge1946@home.com> To: "Carol Brooks" <sbrooks@ckt.net>, "Thomas Simers \(\"Echecero\"\)" <simerst@marietta.edu> References: <39D01286.5B8B4FAB@ckt.net> Subject: Re: [NEWGEN] PLEASE HELP!!!] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:41:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Go to START, then SETTINGS, then CONTROL PANEL. Click on MULTIMEDIA. Click on the little box to check "Show Volume Control On Task Bar." Should get the volume control back and then she can turn down the sound. L8r, Sarge aka Gus sarge1946@home.com "What happens if a big asteroid hits the Earth? Judging from realistic simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we can assume it will be pretty bad." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Brooks" <sbrooks@ckt.net> To: "Thomas Simers ("Echecero")" <simerst@marietta.edu>; "Gus Carroll" <sarge1946@home.com> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 22:05 Subject: [Fwd: [NEWGEN] PLEASE HELP!!!] > do you have any ideas? Sounds like this person has a real problem > --------------667184C656E0E8D5424D2D54--

Roy, you Brits have been sensitive for quite a few years now and we Yanks have become accustomed to the occasional chain pulling from one or more of our English Cousins. I am an aficionado of the Queen's Language, albeit the stiffness of the collar sometimes leaves the neck a bit raw. God Bless America and God Save The Queen. Bill@Dr-Fox.Com WebSite {http://www.dr-fox.com} ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Stockdill <roystock@compuserve.com> To: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 4:21 AM Subject: [NEWGEN] Now Hear This! : Cyndi Howells wrote..... : : >>How about a list of ethnic and locality specific resources?<< : : PARDON a cynical old Brit butting in, but my immediate reaction on reading : the start of Cyndi'a message was to wonder what she meant by "locality : specific resources". It's not a very user-friendly phrase, is it? Then : looking at the list of websites, I realised she meant sources relating to : different countries. : : I hope Cyndi and everyone else on the list will take this in the spirit I : mean it, but we Brits do cringe ever so slightly sometimes at this kind of : American pseudo-Havard business jargon and we prefer good old-fashioned : English! In fact, there is a popular campaign here supported by lots of : famous people and consumer organisations called the "Campaign for Plain : English". What's wrong with "national" for "locality specific"? : : >>Genealogy Benelux Home Page : http://www.ufsia.ac.be/genealogy/<< : : I wonder how many folks are poring over their international atlases trying : to find a country called Benelux? For those who are not familiar with it, : it 's an acronym or collective name for Belgium, the Netherlands and : Luxembourg, the three countries that founded the core of the European : Economic Community. : : Roy Stockdill : Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies : The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) : STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP : GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & : West Ridings : MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire : Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock : "Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. : If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and : humorist 1771-1845) : : : : ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== : ROOTSWEB..............R.I.P.

Cyndi Howells wrote..... >>How about a list of ethnic and locality specific resources?<< PARDON a cynical old Brit butting in, but my immediate reaction on reading the start of Cyndi'a message was to wonder what she meant by "locality specific resources". It's not a very user-friendly phrase, is it? Then looking at the list of websites, I realised she meant sources relating to different countries. I hope Cyndi and everyone else on the list will take this in the spirit I mean it, but we Brits do cringe ever so slightly sometimes at this kind of American pseudo-Havard business jargon and we prefer good old-fashioned English! In fact, there is a popular campaign here supported by lots of famous people and consumer organisations called the "Campaign for Plain English". What's wrong with "national" for "locality specific"? >>Genealogy Benelux Home Page http://www.ufsia.ac.be/genealogy/<< I wonder how many folks are poring over their international atlases trying to find a country called Benelux? For those who are not familiar with it, it 's an acronym or collective name for Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg, the three countries that founded the core of the European Economic Community. Roy Stockdill Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & West Ridings MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock ”Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and humorist 1771-1845)

> This list is beginning to lose its usefulness and therefore my efforts > to keep it alive. How about a little CPR from those who have > benefited from its existence in the past! Let's start with a MOST > WANTED posting! Let's follow that with MY MOST FAVORITE URL (Since we > all know Cyndi wins that hands down, we can perhaps list some others). > Next we will do MY FAVORITE LIST. Again since we know that NEWGEN is > the best will skip it. > This patient is turning blue, so if you don't want it to pass on, you > had better participate. > > Dr. Bill > Bill@Dr-Fox.Com > WebSite {http://www.dr-fox.com} Dr. Bill and all - I'm just back home after a gen. seminar in Denver - therefore I'm a bit late answering. How about a list of ethnic and locality specific resources? Successful surfing, Cyndi AfriGeneas ~ African Ancestored Genealogy http://www.afrigeneas.com/ Belgium - Immigrants in America http://www.ping.be/picavet/ Canadian Genealogy & History Links http://www.islandnet.com/~jveinot/cghl/cghl.html Federation of East European Family History Societies - FEEFHS http://feefhs.org/ Genealogy Benelux Home Page http://www.ufsia.ac.be/genealogy/ Genealogy.net (Formerly the German Genealogy Home Page) http://www.genealogy.net/gene/index.html Hispanic Genealogy Crossroads http://members.aol.com/mrosado007/crossroads.htm Irish Ancestors http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/ The Italian Genealogy Home Page http://www.italgen.com/ JewishGen: The Official Home of Jewish Genealogy http://www.jewishgen.org/ Native American Genealogy http://hometown.aol.com/bbbenge/front.html The UK & Ireland Genealogical Information Service (GENUKI) http://www.genuki.org.uk/ The USGenWeb Project http://www.usgenweb.org/

> TO YOUR NEW CYBER FAMILY AT NEWGEN ! ! ! ! ! > > RECOMMEND NEWGEN TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS ! ! ! ! ! > > Dr. Bills' site has been given an award for being one of the most helpful genealogy sites on the internet........ > > > * You will find everyone here is extremely helpful. Don't be afraid to ask what you may consider a 'dumb' question. There is NO question that is 'dumb'. If you need help with your computer or a program ask that too! Remember, the only 'dumb' question is the one you don't ask. We all benefit from your questions. ! ! ! > > * Should you need a Mentor, someone to help guide you, please let Dr. Bill know and we will find a Mentor for you. We have wonderful, knowledgeable and caring people that are more than willing to help. All you need to do is ask! > > * If you in turn feel you can help someone is a specific region let Dr. Bill know or better yet, post it to the list..... We are here to help each other. > > * Be sure to post a message to the list giving the surnames you are searching. Type the surname only in caps, i.e. John BROWN. It is much easier to pick out the surname when it is in caps and those who skim will see it more readily. If you don't post your surnames, no one will know who you are searching, therefore no one can help you. > > * Every Monday night at 8:00 P< EDST we meet in our own personal 'stress free' genealogy chat room provided so generously by Dr. Bill. Bring all your genealogy questions with you. This is where we really help each other........ meet new friends and just have a good time...... > > ***********Directions to our Chat Room.... > Go to..... www.dr-fox.com > X on Chat in side panel > X on BOTTOM chat room (this is our PRIVATE > room) > After you enter the Chat Room at the top of > the page is the word 'default'. Clear that out > and enter your name then hit enter. Your > name will now show in the chat area. > > * Dr. Bill has so much interesting information on his site. > www.dr-fox-com. You should really go entirely through it and > see what information you can use. > One of the fun things he has is 'Name That Tune'....... > Dr. Bill puts up a tune and the first person to guess it gets His/Her name up in lights. Not.... He/She gets their > name listed as being the first person to Name That Tune! > It really is a thrill to see your name on the winners page. > Try it and let me know how good it feels! This is > strictly a FUN thing to do. > > * The Links page has some really good information on it. > Be sure and check it out! > > * While at Dr. Bills' site be sure and look at the Members > Page. There is a wealth of information there for you. > Our Members are more than willing to do a look up for > you. Check them out and see if the area you are > searching is listed by someone. If it is contact them. > > * Another Dr. Bill attraction is the Soap Box. We get a > chance to express our opinions on most any subject. > There have been some pretty good pages there! Any > subject is fair game. > > * Should you have a prayer concern, we here at > NEWGEN would like to pray with you or for you. Let > the list know of your prayer concern and we will take > it from there. > > * Please don't send attachments to the list. The HTML > messes up NEWGEN at Rootsweb and can't go through. > It WILL be returned to you. > > * Dr. Bill will send a post concerning new virus reports > AFTER he has validated the virus. The virus will NOT > be discussed on the list. He will do this to make us > aware. > > * Subing.....NEWGEN-L-Request@Rootsweb.com (list) > * NEWGEN-D-Request@Rootsweb.com (digest) > *Unsubing.....Same as above address to unsubscribe > > * Dr. Bill and everyone here at NEWGEN welcomes you > and we know your stay will be enjoyable, productive > and interesting......... > > * You may want to print this message for your future > reference. > > Bunny > > > > ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > NO BIT OF INFORMATION OR TIP IS MINOR WHEN IT CAN LEAD TO A MAJOR FIND. >

To all the Foxy Ones at Newgen.... Don't forget..... Tonight at 8:00 PM EDST we will all meet in Dr. Fox's 'stressfree' chat room. Once you get into the room GO TO the top of the room where it says main.... go to the genealogy room there. Type your name where it says default..... clear default out and put your name there and hit enter...... We will then know who you are and you can begin chatting with us... See you at 8:00 PM EDST in Dr. Fox's chat room... Bunny

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> TO YOUR NEW CYBER FAMILY AT NEWGEN ! ! ! ! ! > > RECOMMEND NEWGEN TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS ! ! ! ! ! > > Dr. Bills' site has been given an award for being one of the most helpful genealogy sites on the internet........ > > > * You will find everyone here is extremely helpful. Don't be afraid to ask what you may consider a 'dumb' question. There is NO question that is 'dumb'. If you need help with your computer or a program ask that too! Remember, the only 'dumb' question is the one you don't ask. We all benefit from your questions. ! ! ! > > * Should you need a Mentor, someone to help guide you, please let Dr. Bill know and we will find a Mentor for you. We have wonderful, knowledgeable and caring people that are more than willing to help. All you need to do is ask! > > * If you in turn feel you can help someone is a specific region let Dr. Bill know or better yet, post it to the list..... We are here to help each other. > > * Be sure to post a message to the list giving the surnames you are searching. Type the surname only in caps, i.e. John BROWN. It is much easier to pick out the surname when it is in caps and those who skim will see it more readily. If you don't post your surnames, no one will know who you are searching, therefore no one can help you. > > * Every Monday night at 8:00 P< EDST we meet in our own personal 'stress free' genealogy chat room provided so generously by Dr. Bill. Bring all your genealogy questions with you. This is where we really help each other........ meet new friends and just have a good time...... > > ***********Directions to our Chat Room.... > Go to..... www.dr-fox.com > X on Chat in side panel > X on BOTTOM chat room (this is our PRIVATE > room) > After you enter the Chat Room at the top of > the page is the word 'default'. Clear that out > and enter your name then hit enter. Your > name will now show in the chat area. > > * Dr. Bill has so much interesting information on his site. > www.dr-fox-com. You should really go entirely through it and > see what information you can use. > One of the fun things he has is 'Name That Tune'....... > Dr. Bill puts up a tune and the first person to guess it gets His/Her name up in lights. Not.... He/She gets their > name listed as being the first person to Name That Tune! > It really is a thrill to see your name on the winners page. > Try it and let me know how good it feels! This is > strictly a FUN thing to do. > > * The Links page has some really good information on it. > Be sure and check it out! > > * While at Dr. Bills' site be sure and look at the Members > Page. There is a wealth of information there for you. > Our Members are more than willing to do a look up for > you. Check them out and see if the area you are > searching is listed by someone. If it is contact them. > > * Another Dr. Bill attraction is the Soap Box. We get a > chance to express our opinions on most any subject. > There have been some pretty good pages there! Any > subject is fair game. > > * Should you have a prayer concern, we here at > NEWGEN would like to pray with you or for you. Let > the list know of your prayer concern and we will take > it from there. > > * Please don't send attachments to the list. The HTML > messes up NEWGEN at Rootsweb and can't go through. > It WILL be returned to you. > > * Dr. Bill will send a post concerning new virus reports > AFTER he has validated the virus. The virus will NOT > be discussed on the list. He will do this to make us > aware. > > * Subing.....NEWGEN-L-Request@Rootsweb.com (list) > * NEWGEN-D-Request@Rootsweb.com (digest) > *Unsubing.....Same as above address to unsubscribe > > * Dr. Bill and everyone here at NEWGEN welcomes you > and we know your stay will be enjoyable, productive > and interesting......... > > * You may want to print this message for your future > reference. > > Bunny > > > > ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > NO BIT OF INFORMATION OR TIP IS MINOR WHEN IT CAN LEAD TO A MAJOR FIND. >