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Roy Stockdill, and all: Your thoughts are echoed on this side of the pond too. One cannot pick up a genealogy publication or read an online Gen. article without finding much of what you have said. It is a BIG concern, and we try to encourage all of our local Society's newcomers to study a few good books and take a beginners class. This has been addressed here on NewGen too in the past. It is a point we need to keep plugging away at so the new researchers are aware of the fact "The Internet is a tool to use and not the total answer to researching ones family" I for one, am happy you brought this up again to be reminded. As Chairperson of Education in our county's Genealogy Society, it is a point we need to keep before the public eye. SEA

I use the internet mostly for locating cousins & other family members although I have used some information from sources that are out there as I am not able to get to that state or county to search.Roy, you are right that we still have to dig through the dust and the dirt to hunt for any clues, but the internet has put cousins in my life that would never have happened, had it not been for the internet. I have had alot of help from the pros and am grateful for that. I still have alot to learn and I am still the pc dummy here. I would sure hate to see this list go......I have recieved alot of help here and made great friends. I will send more links as I find them. Now I shall go and see what I have on file to share with all. Gloria

"Dr. Bill" wrote: > Can you tell us about your week at the FHS? > It would be like a travelogue to many, myself included. Since I don't fly (won't is more like it) and if you want me on the east coast give me 5 or 6 days notice <LOL> and AmTrack cannot take one "exactly" where one wants to go, I have for the past 15 years relied on Good Old Greyhound. I left Tacoma on Saturday afternoon the 16th at 5:45 p.m with an hour layover in Portland, Oregon then off we started for Salt Lake City. Naturally the driver's are very considerate of the "smoker's group" and makes these short stops at various intervals for their "necessity". Since I don't smoke I sit back and relax. It is, I am sure, for many people a very tiring ride as I arrived in Salt Lake City at 5:25 pm Sunday afternoon. The workers at Greyhound took pity on this "older" woman and carried my suitcases next door to Best Western which would be my night "home" for a week. My day "home" was on the other side of Best Western at the famous LDS Library. By arriving on Sunday afternoon/evening it gives one time to relax, hang up your clothing for the week, assort whatever paperwork you took to guide you through the many hours of research you will be doing. For many years I have worked mainly on my mother's side of the family, since my mother was married four times, widowed three, but with children from three marriages, doing her side seemed to include all my siblings. THIS time I decided I was going to work on my father's side only. This being a standstill, as my father died at the age of 25 when I was 19 months old, his parents/my grandparents have been gone since I was 17 & 19, I had really no names or much to go on. Anyone being at Salt Lake City to do research knows the humungous number of books, film, fische, computer records, etc that they have there. And they are getting more and more all the time. Many of the more family related books have been moved over to the Joseph Smith Building. While I have gone to Salt Lake City for 15 years I have never taken the time to go over there and see what they have. I get so involved in the LDS Library that half the time I don't know lunch time has been and gone. I hear "In 15 minutes the library will be closing" and then realize it is 9:30 p.m. AND I have been there since 7:30 a.m. This time I decided to view Military records for my earliest WAUGHTEL which at that name was more WACHTEL but also was shown as WAGTAIL, WAUGHTILE, WACHTLE and other ways to be sure, and I thought of the heavy brogues they must have had and the understanding of what the person hearing that name was trying to figure out just what it really might be but then spelled it the way "he" thought it sounded. I was trying to find if any had been given "bounty land" and/or even a pension. Did find some records, indicating Company name and now must look for those Regiments which were mainly Pennsylvania. With the census records, although I knew some were in certain census readings, I wanted to find the actual record, print it off, and have it in my notebook binder. This way by having each record it gave me the "road" in which they traveled, resided, or if they indeed had stayed in one place, and that the boundary only had changed. I started with the books and found who was shown in each census, then I would get the film, find the item, name, twp., etc and then stand in line to use their copy machines. This went on for 6 days. When I found out that the library was open until 10 on Saturday I decided to stay until 8, grab a bite to eat and then head around the corner to Greyhound as my bus left for home at 10:45 p.m. I would arrive in Tacoma at 7:50 pm Sunday evening. Utah is Mountain Time and Tacoma is Pacific Time. I must say that I found alot of information on my WACHTEL/WAUGHTEL line, the LONGNECKER, VANTREESE aka VERTRIES/VERDRIES, and DRYBREAD which in the beginning was a German name of DROCHENBRODT especially marriage records that I can send for as I didn't have time to check if they had them OnLine there yet. I was really surprised that in Jackson County, Indiana that I was able to print off the actual copy of the marriage record. This confirmed my suspicions that my 2nd great Aunt Jane WAUGHTEL who had married (1) Enoch STARK in 1838 and (2) John SUMMA in 1840 and had 8 children all carrying the SUMMA name that the two oldest were actually STARK. I found the girl marrying as Sophia E. STARK rather than her census name of Sophia E. SUMMA. So instead of $1, or whatever the county rate is for a marriage record, I was able to print it off for 20 cents. I don't know if all the counties have these OnLine yet or not, but at least Jackson County, Indiana does. It is an unbelievable place to go to for research as there is so much to search for. Sometimes you tend to get sidetracked. While I knew my 3rd great grandfather Frederick WAUGHTEL had been in Washington County, Indiana from 1820 through 1836 (after that I can find hide nor hair of him) I decided to check some books in that section. Well, also some of my mother's SINEX & WALKER ancestry was there and I came across the obituary of my 3rd great grandfather and Lo and Behold his middle name was Sanders and not Samuel as we had thought for years and years. This was very logical as his mother's brother Prettyman BURTON had a son John Sanders BURTON. See, what I mean, I was not going to work on my mother's side of the family but was it Serendipity or what that drew me to that Obit book in Washington County, Indiana. Although I must still search for poor old Frederick at least I now know William S Walker's true middle name - the one that the S has stood for so many years. Well, Dr Bill, I can go on and on, but I think I got off track on a "travelogue". Sorry about that. It is a beautiful city, the capital building is within walking distance, the two downtown malls less that two blocks away, the Salt Palace, the Temple and its grounds across the street from the Library, all make for a lovely stroll outside. And not to be forgotten the Delta (can't think of the full name) but where the Utah JAZZ play their basketball games. And the Best Western has a "genealogy rate" but one must mention that fact <grin>. And with coffee in the room I finished off the pot and was on my way for the day <grin> and had breakfast/lunch/dinner at 10 p.m. daily. Too bad I can't get away with cooking one meal a day at home <LOL> Antoinette waughtel@oz.net

I to have been a lurker, since my family is at a big brick wall and have not had any break throughs for ages, I really have nothing to say, I made a big move also from NC to Texas, so have had to spend time learning my way around this new town. I have 3 grandchildren here who also like some of my time, and the end of this monthe will make a trip to WI to meet my new grandbabies, yes babies my daughter is having twins. I agree with Sharon I really miss the family feeling we had on this list at one time, and the good stories and jokes. We all know that Bill is a great person and runs a great above notch list. I promise Bill to try and find something to share in the future. Eunice ----- Original Message ----- From: <ghowell@erinet.com> To: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 9:04 PM Subject: [NEWGEN] postings > I, too, have been only a "lurker" for a long time now, as a full-time job with rigid weekday hours has kept me from much of the research I was enjoying doing. However, what I greatly miss from this list is the "good stories" (I even have a folder with many of them that I have kept) and the personal caring that used to the posted to this list. I realize that this is a genealogy list, but I miss the sense of family that used to be so pervasive here. > > Sharon > > > ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > BE SURE TO SHARE WITH THE OTHER LIST MEMBERS ANY SIGNIFICANT > (OR INSIGNIFICANT) FIND YOU HAVE MADE. IT HELPS OTHERS TO PRESS ON > WITH THEIR OWN SEARCH. >

I, too, have been only a "lurker" for a long time now, as a full-time job with rigid weekday hours has kept me from much of the research I was enjoying doing. However, what I greatly miss from this list is the "good stories" (I even have a folder with many of them that I have kept) and the personal caring that used to the posted to this list. I realize that this is a genealogy list, but I miss the sense of family that used to be so pervasive here. Sharon

Hi Thank you for the responses. I now have some place to start for search for the information! My great grandmother was born in Wales. Where exactly has not been specifically determined. There are some relatives that say around Cardiff. She came over with her parents when she was young. We know her father was a coal miner, some family members say he was an inspector of the coal mines. I'm afraid they have a name that might be pretty common. Their last name was MOSES. And her mother's maiden name was PIM or PIMM. Then my great grandmother's first name was Sarah. I just recently got a copy of my great grandmother's obit and it mentioned that she was baptised in the Church of England and thought it might be a place to look. Since we seem to have some differences in her year of birth among relatives. I am still fairly new to genealogy as I just started this past March and this is the first family member that I have tried to find information in a country other than the United States. Thank you for your help and suggestions I really appreciate you folks taking the time to help this newbie out!! Mary

Well the stuffed cabbage came out delicious and so did the green peppers that I stuffed too. Grandaughter didn't really care for it but she is still happy as she is up at the clubhouse playing the video games and trying to win her grandma another stuffed animal for her windshield.and dashboard. pretty soon won't be able to look out the window to drive down the road to warmer climes. It is getting a bit chilly here in the thumb area of Michigan. Jean Payton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Bill" <Bill@dr-fox.com> To: "Jean Payton" <jeanpayton@ameritech.net>; <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [NEWGEN] Traffic > Heck, how about an invite for stuffed cabbage? > > Bill@Dr-Fox.Com > WebSite {http://www.dr-fox.com} > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jean Payton <jeanpayton@ameritech.net> > To: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 4:18 PM > Subject: Re: [NEWGEN] Traffic > > > : Whoa!! Wait a minute. I think we are all just sitting back and > taking a > : breather. I have spent many an hour on my puter and although I wait > for > : someone to need help and or to add a thing or two I too am guilty of > : sittning back and doing nothing. I have just finally finished all > of my > : chemo and Radiation and I am at last able to sit here in the morning > hours > : and just read my mail and enjoy my lists and yes I haven't submitted > any > : questions and or answers for that matter but I have had to take a > standby on > : my Genealogy. In fact today I went shopping for quilt making > material and I > : didn't find what I wanted but I did get some halloween decorations > to > : decorate my moteorhome with and also I just got the stuffed cabbage > and > : stuffed green peppers on the stove a cooking a way and my > granddaughter has > : just shown up for the weekend.. She doesn't know it yet but I am > going to > : teach her how to make little angels out of spools and buttens and we > are > : going to do a tee shirt decoration also. > : > : So although my genealogy has taken a back burner for the weekend I > will > : still be looking in and I will be sure to let you know how our > angels come > : out. > : Jean Payton > : > : > : > : ----- Original Message ----- > : From: "Joan Little" <jblittle@worldpath.net> > : To: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > : Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:46 PM > : Subject: Re: [NEWGEN] Traffic > : > : > : > Bill, > : > > : > I am replying to all, to express my thoughts. This is a busy time > of year > : > for most of us, I am sure. People doing fall chores, going on > fall > : > vacations, etc., etc. This may be part of the problem?? > : > > : > As you well know, I don't contribute that much to the list. I > guess it is > : > too easy to just sit back and read what the others submit. My > mailing > : lists > : > consists of a lot of surname lists. > : > > : > So - I guess we members need to think about just what we do want. > Do we > : > want this list to continue? Then it is up to us to use it for our > : genealogy > : > and, also, for our computer problems which arise now and then when > doing > : our > : > genealogy. I, for one, will try to be more involved. This list > has been > : > good to me. > : > > : > Joan Beach Little > : > > : > > : > > : > > During October 3rd, 4th, 5th and morning of the 6th the list has > had 5 > : > > postings, 2 of which were welcome letters from Bunny and 2 from > Joan > : > > Little giving us an excellent URL. > : > > Get ready for the funeral, gang, there is no earthly reason to > keep > : > > NEWGEN alive with such intense apathy and indifference. > : > > > : > > Dr. Bill > : > > Bill@Dr-Fox.Com > : > > : > > : > > : > ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > : > HTTP://WWW.DR-FOX.COM HAS A LINKS PAGE WITH > : > MANY, MANY HOOK-UPS TO VALUABLE INFORMATION SITES. > : > > : > > : > : > : ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > : DON'T FORGET TO USE THE WORDS "THANK YOU" WHEN SOMEONE HAS DONE > : YOU A FAVOR....ALSO WHEN SOMEONE HAS TRIED TO BE HELPFUL. >

Heck, how about an invite for stuffed cabbage? Bill@Dr-Fox.Com WebSite {http://www.dr-fox.com} ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean Payton <jeanpayton@ameritech.net> To: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [NEWGEN] Traffic : Whoa!! Wait a minute. I think we are all just sitting back and taking a : breather. I have spent many an hour on my puter and although I wait for : someone to need help and or to add a thing or two I too am guilty of : sittning back and doing nothing. I have just finally finished all of my : chemo and Radiation and I am at last able to sit here in the morning hours : and just read my mail and enjoy my lists and yes I haven't submitted any : questions and or answers for that matter but I have had to take a standby on : my Genealogy. In fact today I went shopping for quilt making material and I : didn't find what I wanted but I did get some halloween decorations to : decorate my moteorhome with and also I just got the stuffed cabbage and : stuffed green peppers on the stove a cooking a way and my granddaughter has : just shown up for the weekend.. She doesn't know it yet but I am going to : teach her how to make little angels out of spools and buttens and we are : going to do a tee shirt decoration also. : : So although my genealogy has taken a back burner for the weekend I will : still be looking in and I will be sure to let you know how our angels come : out. : Jean Payton : : : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Joan Little" <jblittle@worldpath.net> : To: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> : Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:46 PM : Subject: Re: [NEWGEN] Traffic : : : > Bill, : > : > I am replying to all, to express my thoughts. This is a busy time of year : > for most of us, I am sure. People doing fall chores, going on fall : > vacations, etc., etc. This may be part of the problem?? : > : > As you well know, I don't contribute that much to the list. I guess it is : > too easy to just sit back and read what the others submit. My mailing : lists : > consists of a lot of surname lists. : > : > So - I guess we members need to think about just what we do want. Do we : > want this list to continue? Then it is up to us to use it for our : genealogy : > and, also, for our computer problems which arise now and then when doing : our : > genealogy. I, for one, will try to be more involved. This list has been : > good to me. : > : > Joan Beach Little : > : > : > : > > During October 3rd, 4th, 5th and morning of the 6th the list has had 5 : > > postings, 2 of which were welcome letters from Bunny and 2 from Joan : > > Little giving us an excellent URL. : > > Get ready for the funeral, gang, there is no earthly reason to keep : > > NEWGEN alive with such intense apathy and indifference. : > > : > > Dr. Bill : > > Bill@Dr-Fox.Com : > : > : > : > ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== : > HTTP://WWW.DR-FOX.COM HAS A LINKS PAGE WITH : > MANY, MANY HOOK-UPS TO VALUABLE INFORMATION SITES. : > : > : : : ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== : DON'T FORGET TO USE THE WORDS "THANK YOU" WHEN SOMEONE HAS DONE : YOU A FAVOR....ALSO WHEN SOMEONE HAS TRIED TO BE HELPFUL.

Bill@Dr-Fox.Com WebSite {http://www.dr-fox.com} ----- Original Message ----- From: susan <motherbuffalo@home.com> To: <Newgen-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:45 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} traffic : I have been so busy this summer I have gotten links people have sent put into favorites but haven't had the time to really research as I had been. Currently I am in charge of an Art show for my Art Guild that takes place the end of October so besides reading my mail I have had little time to respond to the mail. However, I couldn't let Dr. Fox's comments go without letting him know his page is my life line when I do do research I need my NEWGEN buddies as I call all of you. : ornanna@home.com

Can you tell us about your week at the FHS? It would be like a travelogue to many, myself included. Bill@Dr-Fox.Com WebSite {http://www.dr-fox.com} ----- Original Message ----- From: Antoinette Waughtel Sorensen <waughtel@oz.net> To: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [NEWGEN] Traffic : I, for one, don't post all that much, but do read any message that comes : across. Vacations etc do take up time. Want my Itinerary ??? Went to Salt : Lake City for a week, then last week used time to put paperwork in binders and : input in FTM from these papers. This week, since our rental is empty, and very : handy as right across the street, there is mucho work to do over there. Tenants : moving in in November so have time really, but so much to do. My granddaughter : who is in CA is expecting her second baby first week of November and which I : will be going down there for prox week to help her out as she also has a 15 : month old daughter (one of my namesakes - Victoria Antoinette) and then her : husband gets discharged and they are moving into our rental. So a few reasons : <grin> : : And then I am sure my daughter Sabrina (who had stayed with us during all her : radiation & chemo) is back at her home doing much much better and is : homeschooling her Anthony this year and has just purchased a computer, mainly : for his school work and to keep up her knowledge in order to help him, and I : know she will be joining this list as soon as her internet service is connected : (sent check in yesterday) as she knew all the help that I have received from : this list - both from computer point of view and mental health point of view -- : a tremendous for help in any type of need and any time -- : : I think Joan has summed it up quite nicely. : : Take care, and hang in there!! : Antoinette : waughtel@oz.net : : Joan Little wrote: : : > Bill, : > : > I am replying to all, to express my thoughts. This is a busy time of year : > for most of us, I am sure. People doing fall chores, going on fall : > vacations, etc., etc. This may be part of the problem?? : > : > As you well know, I don't contribute that much to the list. I guess it is : > too easy to just sit back and read what the others submit. My mailing lists : > consists of a lot of surname lists. : > : > So - I guess we members need to think about just what we do want. Do we : > want this list to continue? Then it is up to us to use it for our genealogy : > and, also, for our computer problems which arise now and then when doing our : > genealogy. I, for one, will try to be more involved. This list has been : > good to me. : > : > Joan Beach Little : > : > > During October 3rd, 4th, 5th and morning of the 6th the list has had 5 : > > postings, 2 of which were welcome letters from Bunny and 2 from Joan : > > Little giving us an excellent URL. : > > Get ready for the funeral, gang, there is no earthly reason to keep : > > NEWGEN alive with such intense apathy and indifference. : > > : > > Dr. Bill : > > Bill@Dr-Fox.Com : > : > ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== : > HTTP://WWW.DR-FOX.COM HAS A LINKS PAGE WITH : > MANY, MANY HOOK-UPS TO VALUABLE INFORMATION SITES. : : : : : ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== : WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU THANKED CYNDI FOR HER MARVELOUS LIST

Thanks Joan, I thought it had been helpful to many but if so, it is a mystery to me why, amid all of their chores and surname lists, members can't think of anything in the way of a pay back for the help they have received. You have always been a special person to the list, participating in the Web Site contests and contributing interesting and useful sites for our members to visit for data. Bill@Dr-Fox.Com WebSite {http://www.dr-fox.com} ----- Original Message ----- From: Joan Little <jblittle@worldpath.net> To: Dr. Bill <Bill@dr-fox.com>; <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [NEWGEN] Traffic : Bill, : : I am replying to all, to express my thoughts. This is a busy time of year : for most of us, I am sure. People doing fall chores, going on fall : vacations, etc., etc. This may be part of the problem?? : : As you well know, I don't contribute that much to the list. I guess it is : too easy to just sit back and read what the others submit. My mailing lists : consists of a lot of surname lists. : : So - I guess we members need to think about just what we do want. Do we : want this list to continue? Then it is up to us to use it for our genealogy : and, also, for our computer problems which arise now and then when doing our : genealogy. I, for one, will try to be more involved. This list has been : good to me. : : Joan Beach Little : : : : > During October 3rd, 4th, 5th and morning of the 6th the list has had 5 : > postings, 2 of which were welcome letters from Bunny and 2 from Joan : > Little giving us an excellent URL. : > Get ready for the funeral, gang, there is no earthly reason to keep : > NEWGEN alive with such intense apathy and indifference. : > : > Dr. Bill : > Bill@Dr-Fox.Com :

Is there a book or a good website that explains what you can publish and what you can't on living relatives. Thank you! And thanks for all the great information and links everyone provides!! Gerri

SINCE Dr Bill has once again indicated that this list is, metaphorically speaking, on its last legs, he is obviously trying to stir us into some kind of activity to save it! Well, here is my attempt to get a bit of debate - and controversy - going. May I make the observation that, much as I love the inception and advance of Internet genealogy, I fear it, too. Why? Because those of us who are traditional, longtime genealogists and family historians (i.e. from that remote time before computers were invented!) can see that along with its undoubted benefits it is bringing also a tide of - dare I say it? - garbage and thoroughly bad research to our great hobby. Those of us who learnt genealogy the old-fashioned way, i.e. from books written by real experts and then from years of hard-nosed practice out there in the field, see a lack of discipline and understanding of even the most fundamental knowledge of research techniques that is quite alarming. It is patently obvious to me that there are people on this list, and other lists, who have never even attempted to read a book on how to trace your ancestry and pedigree. There seems to be a naive belief among so many newcomers that all you have to do is log on to the Internet, press a few keys and, hey presto, you can have your family tree back to William the Conqueror by teatime! It is not so. True genealogy is only learnt from years of experience of sitting in Record Offices poring over dusty old documents and patiently trying to piece together the very fragmented pieces of an enormous jigsaw puzzle. It demands time, patience, discipline, and an ability to grasp facts and to filter the truth from the specious, the reality from the wishful thinking and the patently bogus. A sensible approach to online genealogy demands that the practitioner at least does a little homework first before launching themselves into the big wide world of the Internet. Otherwise, to give an analogy, it is like trying to drive a Formula One racing car before you have learnt to ride a bicycle. I find it hard to credit some of the questions I see asked in genealogy mailing lists. Some exhibit such a degree of ignorance - especially of geography and the nature of research - that one wonders how the questioner can possibly ever assemble sufficient knowledge to even begin to tackle their family tree. They will proceed in ignorance and with more hope than knowledge. And what, then, at the end of it? They will upload onto the Internet, there for all time, data and information which is a mixture of spurious guesswork and blatant untruths. This dubious data will be downloaded by others, equally ignorant, and thus be perpetuated for future generations to misapply even further. May I give an example? The Broderbund World Family Tree CDs are riddled with pedigrees that are a joke! I have personally noted on some of them a number of American families claiming descent from a non-existent daughter of William the Conqueror!!! This, of course, is nothing new. Fraudulent pedigrees existed in 19th and early 20th century editions of such supposedly respectable works as Burke's Peerage. But at least these were ultimately exposed by proper researchers and consigned to the dustbin of genealogy. However, the Internet is such a vast and rapidly self-perpetuating world that I fear in the future such bogus pedigrees will simply not be spotted, and there will be too many of them to quash. I am moved to ask how many newcomers to genealogy have ever read a decent book on the subject, or actually been to a real record office and researched in real documents? Or do they take it all entirely from the Internet? May I make the very vital point that even if all the genealogical records in the entire world are eventually available on the Internet, there will ALWAYS be a need to check with the original sources? Why? Because virtually every time a record is copied and distributed, it is degraded a little in transcription. You simply cannot trust any work which somebody else has put out. You MUST always check yourself with the original sources. How many people, for instance, attempt to build a family tree entirely from the IGI - probably the most fundamental mistake of all. Yes, the Internet is a great and wonderful tool, but it is that only - a tool, no more. References and records you find on the Internet must be used as a guide to steer you towards further research in the REAL records. Remember this and you won't go far wrong. Discuss for homework tonight!!!!! Roy Stockdill Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & West Ridings MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock ”Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and humorist 1771-1845)

--part1_84.baaeeb4.270ff3a3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for your input! I'm a "newcomer" almost a yr. old in this "hobby". I have used the Internet as well as record offices and State Historical Society. Via Internet I have received family history (2 surnames) going back to the 1600's, one of which I don't need to verify as the gentlemen who sent the information also mailed copies of census and church records (in German with the translation). The other one I have been in the process of verifying what I received via pension file/military file/ census etc. My problem is that some of the so-called experts at the State Historical Society are extremely RUDE to us newcomers! I would love to continue with it and perhaps even become certified someday but with those folks' behavior, it's discouraging! To quote the wise: "The only dumb question is one not asked!" Kathy --part1_84.baaeeb4.270ff3a3_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <NEWGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-yb05.mx.aol.com (rly-yb05.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.5]) by air-yb01.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 19:44:13 -0400 Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by rly-yb05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 19:43:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e96NdJt28557; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:39:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:39:19 -0700 X-Original-Sender: roystock@compuserve.com Fri Oct 6 16:39:19 2000 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:38:57 -0400 From: Roy Stockdill <roystock@compuserve.com> Sender: Roy Stockdill <roystock@compuserve.com> Old-To: NEWGEN <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <200010061939_MC2-B604-D573@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists6.rootsweb.com id e96NdJm28529 Subject: [NEWGEN] The future of genealogy? Resent-Message-ID: <fNbyKB.A.B-G.nKm35@lists6.rootsweb.com> To: NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/23767 X-Loop: NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: NEWGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by lists6.rootsweb.com id e96NdJt28557 X-Mailer: Unknown SINCE Dr Bill has once again indicated that this list is, metaphorically speaking, on its last legs, he is obviously trying to stir us into some kind of activity to save it! Well, here is my attempt to get a bit of debate - and controversy - going. May I make the observation that, much as I love the inception and advance of Internet genealogy, I fear it, too. Why? Because those of us who are traditional, longtime genealogists and family historians (i.e. from that remote time before computers were invented!) can see that along with its undoubted benefits it is bringing also a tide of - dare I say it? - garbage and thoroughly bad research to our great hobby. Those of us who learnt genealogy the old-fashioned way, i.e. from books written by real experts and then from years of hard-nosed practice out there in the field, see a lack of discipline and understanding of even the most fundamental knowledge of research techniques that is quite alarming. It is patently obvious to me that there are people on this list, and other lists, who have never even attempted to read a book on how to trace your ancestry and pedigree. There seems to be a naive belief among so many newcomers that all you have to do is log on to the Internet, press a few keys and, hey presto, you can have your family tree back to William the Conqueror by teatime! It is not so. True genealogy is only learnt from years of experience of sitting in Record Offices poring over dusty old documents and patiently trying to piece together the very fragmented pieces of an enormous jigsaw puzzle. It demands time, patience, discipline, and an ability to grasp facts and to filter the truth from the specious, the reality from the wishful thinking and the patently bogus. A sensible approach to online genealogy demands that the practitioner at least does a little homework first before launching themselves into the big wide world of the Internet. Otherwise, to give an analogy, it is like trying to drive a Formula One racing car before you have learnt to ride a bicycle. I find it hard to credit some of the questions I see asked in genealogy mailing lists. Some exhibit such a degree of ignorance - especially of geography and the nature of research - that one wonders how the questioner can possibly ever assemble sufficient knowledge to even begin to tackle their family tree. They will proceed in ignorance and with more hope than knowledge. And what, then, at the end of it? They will upload onto the Internet, there for all time, data and information which is a mixture of spurious guesswork and blatant untruths. This dubious data will be downloaded by others, equally ignorant, and thus be perpetuated for future generations to misapply even further. May I give an example? The Broderbund World Family Tree CDs are riddled with pedigrees that are a joke! I have personally noted on some of them a number of American families claiming descent from a non-existent daughter of William the Conqueror!!! This, of course, is nothing new. Fraudulent pedigrees existed in 19th and early 20th century editions of such supposedly respectable works as Burke's Peerage. But at least these were ultimately exposed by proper researchers and consigned to the dustbin of genealogy. However, the Internet is such a vast and rapidly self-perpetuating world that I fear in the future such bogus pedigrees will simply not be spotted, and there will be too many of them to quash. I am moved to ask how many newcomers to genealogy have ever read a decent book on the subject, or actually been to a real record office and researched in real documents? Or do they take it all entirely from the Internet? May I make the very vital point that even if all the genealogical records in the entire world are eventually available on the Internet, there will ALWAYS be a need to check with the original sources? Why? Because virtually every time a record is copied and distributed, it is degraded a little in transcription. You simply cannot trust any work which somebody else has put out. You MUST always check yourself with the original sources. How many people, for instance, attempt to build a family tree entirely from the IGI - probably the most fundamental mistake of all. Yes, the Internet is a great and wonderful tool, but it is that only - a tool, no more. References and records you find on the Internet must be used as a guide to steer you towards further research in the REAL records. Remember this and you won't go far wrong. Discuss for homework tonight!!!!! Roy Stockdill Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) =20 STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & West Ridings MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- =20 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock =94Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and humorist 1771-1845) =3D=3D=3D=3D NEWGEN Mailing List =3D=3D=3D=3D BE SURE TO SHARE WITH THE OTHER LIST MEMBERS ANY SIGNIFICANT (OR INSIGNIFICANT) FIND YOU HAVE MADE. IT HELPS OTHERS TO PRESS ON WITH THEIR OWN SEARCH. --part1_84.baaeeb4.270ff3a3_boundary--

IT depends what you mean by baptismal records. Yes, there are Church of England baptismal records online in the form of the IGI on FamilySearch - millions of them, in fact. However, the chances of finding a record for 1879 are fairly slim, since christening records on the IGI tend to tail off after 1837 when civil registration was introduced into England and Wales. If you do find a record on the IGI, then you must check it for accuracy with the original Parish Registers or Bishop's Transcripts. Parish registers were introduced in England and Wales in 1538 and Bishop's Transcripts were copies of the registers which had to be sent to the Bishop's office. The originals are now mostly held at the appropriate County Record Office, but you will find copies are often available on film through your nearest Mormon Family History Centre. If you know how to search the IGI in FamilySearch, you will find there all the information you need to be able to order the appropriate film. However, for a birth in 1879 you are well within the period of civil registration, which commenced in July 1837. It become compulsory in 1875, so you should have no trouble in finding a birth certificate, especially if you know when and where the birth took place. Of course, if it was a common surname this could make things a little more difficult. However, again you should find that the GRO (General Register Office) Indexes of births, marriages and deaths for England and Wales are available on microfilm at your nearest Mormon FHC. You search the indexes until you find the correct entry, and they should then be able to supply you with a form to write off to an address in England for the certificate. I believe it may take a few weeks for it to arrive. If you do not understand the system, then your alternative is to hire a professional researcher in London to carry out the work for you. But it will be much cheaper to do it yourself! For an overview of researching in Britain, you might find it useful to take a look at my "Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History" in the GENUKI pages. GENUKI is the umbrella website for all genealogical research in the UK and Ireland. Just enter "GENUKI" in a search engine and you will be taken to it. My article is to be found under the section "How to get started". Roy Stockdill Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & West Ridings MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock ”Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and humorist 1771-1845) Original message..... >>I have a relative that was born in Wales around 1879. Her obit said that she was baptised in the Church of England. Are there baptismal records on line for the Church of England? What is the best way to proceed in finding her baptism?<<

Whoa!! Wait a minute. I think we are all just sitting back and taking a breather. I have spent many an hour on my puter and although I wait for someone to need help and or to add a thing or two I too am guilty of sittning back and doing nothing. I have just finally finished all of my chemo and Radiation and I am at last able to sit here in the morning hours and just read my mail and enjoy my lists and yes I haven't submitted any questions and or answers for that matter but I have had to take a standby on my Genealogy. In fact today I went shopping for quilt making material and I didn't find what I wanted but I did get some halloween decorations to decorate my moteorhome with and also I just got the stuffed cabbage and stuffed green peppers on the stove a cooking a way and my granddaughter has just shown up for the weekend.. She doesn't know it yet but I am going to teach her how to make little angels out of spools and buttens and we are going to do a tee shirt decoration also. So although my genealogy has taken a back burner for the weekend I will still be looking in and I will be sure to let you know how our angels come out. Jean Payton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Little" <jblittle@worldpath.net> To: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [NEWGEN] Traffic > Bill, > > I am replying to all, to express my thoughts. This is a busy time of year > for most of us, I am sure. People doing fall chores, going on fall > vacations, etc., etc. This may be part of the problem?? > > As you well know, I don't contribute that much to the list. I guess it is > too easy to just sit back and read what the others submit. My mailing lists > consists of a lot of surname lists. > > So - I guess we members need to think about just what we do want. Do we > want this list to continue? Then it is up to us to use it for our genealogy > and, also, for our computer problems which arise now and then when doing our > genealogy. I, for one, will try to be more involved. This list has been > good to me. > > Joan Beach Little > > > > > During October 3rd, 4th, 5th and morning of the 6th the list has had 5 > > postings, 2 of which were welcome letters from Bunny and 2 from Joan > > Little giving us an excellent URL. > > Get ready for the funeral, gang, there is no earthly reason to keep > > NEWGEN alive with such intense apathy and indifference. > > > > Dr. Bill > > Bill@Dr-Fox.Com > > > > ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > HTTP://WWW.DR-FOX.COM HAS A LINKS PAGE WITH > MANY, MANY HOOK-UPS TO VALUABLE INFORMATION SITES. > >

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