Attention Mr. Stockdill: Perhaps you could give me some idea of what direction to take in finding out more about this situation: My husband's uncle was in the U.S. Army (I have their records) after the Spanish-American War, was in the Philippines, married a Filipino lady, had several children. In March 1920 he emigrated to British Cochin, Madras, South India, working for the Tata Oil Co.. In May 1921 he married Bertha Pitter, a British subject, in British Cochin; I realize that being labeled 'British subject' means she might have been from Ireland, Scotland, or England, which certainly complicates matters. In July 1923 he died there in India and was buried in the British cemetery at Madras. I've sent several letters to India and all have been returned to me for 'insufficient address,' 'no such address,' etc. A gentleman from India told us he was certain that the Tata corporation was still in business but I've been unable to find an address for it. I'd like to determine whether his uncle and Bertha had any children; he died while undergoing surgery, so I would like to find out what the surgery was for and the cause of death. >From his Army records, the military officials came to the conclusion that he was not, in fact, married to the Filipino lady, but maintained a 'common law' marriage with her; he did provide for his family in the Philippines through a service agency. All records in the Philippines, I am told, no longer exist. We have been able to contact a couple of his descendants from the Philippines, but they have no information about him either. The uncle was not well educated, but we have reason to believe he worked in the payroll department of the military while in service; the family background was farming and carpentry. We know nothing about Bertha Pitter, of course, and wonder how to go about finding out about her. What would have taken her to India in the 1920s? What kind of records might we expect to find and where would they be...in India or in England? Since the British were a large presence in India for quite a long time, are the records for those who served in India consolidated separately from others and where might one find them. I have logged on to the India-L forum several times with posting and have posted on a Philippines listing also, so far with no results. I've searched the India postings on cemeteries, etc., and not found his name, so I assume he has no burial stone. Any suggestions? Shirley/MN

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Hi Roy, I have some questions. I have found out that the college across the street may have what I am looking for. I am assuming it will be college kids running the place for the most part. Here's what I know. Donald MCKINNON born 1833 Tiree, Scotland moved with his parents to Ont. Canada when he was 14 (1847) married Anna MCKENZIE from Nova Scotia 1862 moved to the states 1866 where he became a citizen. They had 10 children. Allan J. was born in Alpena, MI 1870. Donald (1922) and Allan(1934) and Allan's wife Winiferd(1971) are buried in Craig, CO. Allan and Winiferd were in Denver, CO in 1905. On the ranch out of Craig, in 1907. At time of Donald's death there were 6 children still living, 4 sons 2 daughters. Here's what I want to know. How to find out who and where the other nine children are. Where Donald and Anna were married Where and when Allan and Winiferd were married. Winiferd's parents and siblings. Find whatever information from the ranch. It was home until 1968 when Dad had to sell because of ill health. We the children still own the mineral rights. Winiferd was one of those who did not want us sticking our noses in where it didn't belong, as she put it, so we know very little about her. What records do I want to look for? What hints do you have for searching for the information needed? Thanks for your help. Alrena >From: Roy Stockdill <roystock@compuserve.com> >To: NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NEWGEN] Postings >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:55:53 -0400 > >COULD I, as a newcomer to the list but a very longtime genealogist, make a >suggestion as to what is wrong here? Of course, some of you may think there >isn't anything wrong (!) and perhaps I am not putting this too well, but in >view of Dr Bill's worries about the lack of traffic and exhortations to us >for more postings I feel there must be. > >I am on about eight lists altogether - admittedly all UK-based, except this >one - and on all of those there is a huge amount of traffic, with lively >and vigorous (sometimes one might say a little too vigorous!) debate about >many aspects of family history and genealogy. There is a constant flow of >newcomers seeking help and guidance and older hands offering it. There is >cut and thrust and argument and controversy. There is a regular trade-off >of information about research techniques and sources. Frankly, I don't see >that here. The list has more the atmosphere of a sedate (and poorly >attended) tea party, with the odd bit of chit-chat, posting of helpful >websites, and that's about it. Sorry, but that's how it strikes me. There >doesn't seem to be the clamour for information or desire to discuss >genealogical techniques and sources that I see so strongly on other lists. > >I don't normally make a habit of promoting my genealogical qualifications >for fear of being thought immodest (not that that normally ever stopped a >Yorkshireman!) but here is my CV..... > >25 years in family history. >Officer of the Guild of One-Name Studies, the world's major organisation >for one-namers, and editor of the quarterly Journal of One-Name Studies >Member of the publications committees of the Federation of Family History >Societies and the Society of Genealogists >Member of half-a-dozen Yorkshire family history societies >Lecturer in various family history topics and in desktop publishing for >family historians >Founder of a family/one-name society for Stockdill/Stockdale and variants >(members in England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, America, Canada, >Australia and New Zealand) > >If anyone out there has Yorkshire ancestry, particularly, then I am >generally acknowledged to be one of the leading authorities on the county >(and PLEASE no-one ask "Where is Yorkshire" or I am likely to come over >there and thump you one!!!). However, I have lived for many years in the >south of England, just outside London, and am familiar with most of the >major London records offices. > >Surely there must be something I can help you with? I have offered before >but had little response. Or is it simply the fact that hardly anybody on >this list has managed to get their ancestry back to the UK yet? > >Roy Stockdill >Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies >The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) >STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP >GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & >West Ridings >MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire >Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock >”Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. 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--part1_9.b8eb745.271324c8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for this web address! Know of a few, including self, researching Indian heritage! Kathy --part1_9.b8eb745.271324c8_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <NEWGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-ye01.mx.aol.com (rly-ye01.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.198]) by air-ye02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 20:34:02 2000 Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by rly-ye01.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 20:33:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e990X6j07517; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:33:06 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:33:06 -0700 X-Original-Sender: sbrooks@ckt.net Sun Oct 8 17:33:05 2000 Message-ID: <39E1122C.CA0593BD@ckt.net> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 19:32:44 -0500 From: Carol Brooks <sbrooks@ckt.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: Candyman list <Candyman@egroups.com>, "KSCRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com" <KSCRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com>, "KSBOURBO-L@rootsweb.com" <KSBOURBO-L@rootsweb.com>, "Kan-Craw-pics@egroups.com" <Kan-Craw-pics@egroups.com>, "Totmanpics@egroups.com" <Totmanpics@egroups.com>, "kscrawfordcogenlib@hotmail.com" <kscrawfordcogenlib@hotmail.com>, "NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com" <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [NEWGEN] Tracing your Indian Citizenship requirements Resent-Message-ID: <ufgHSC.A.N1B.CJR45@lists6.rootsweb.com> To: NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/23851 X-Loop: NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: NEWGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com I know not all on the lists are Native American, but for those who are or might be, here are some of the ways to see if you qualify Carol http://www.ok-history.mus.ok.us/archives/indianrc/a-4essen.html ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== DON'T FORGET TO USE THE WORDS "THANK YOU" WHEN SOMEONE HAS DONE YOU A FAVOR....ALSO WHEN SOMEONE HAS TRIED TO BE HELPFUL. --part1_9.b8eb745.271324c8_boundary--

Check out this new site called "Historical and Genealogical Societies of the United States". It is a growing directory of societies and associations devoted to history and genealogy. This directory contains links to the official websites of these societies, arranged by states. At the bottom of each state page will be links to lists of on- and offline societies with addresses and phone numbers. There is also place on each state page for major announcements such as conferences, open houses, etc. The URL is http://www.geocities.com/cribbswh/hs/ Check out the Florida and Washington pages for a view of what the typical page will be like. If you know of an online society, please feel free to submit it to me. Thanks, Bill and Tina Cribbs Obituary Links Page http://www.geocities.com/cribbswh/obit/ Obituary Archive Search Engine http://www.obitcentral.com/obitsearch/ Local Obituary Search Engines http://www.obitcentral.com/obitsearch/other.htm Family Surname Obituary Archives http://www.geocities.com/cribbswh/obit/famobit.htm Canadian Obituary Links Page http://www.geocities.com/cribbswh/obit/canada.htm CemSEARCH http://www.obitcentral.com/cemsearch/ ShipSEARCH http://www.obitcentral.com/shipsearch/

Oooops.....Did I mention that my Douthit/Dowthwaites were Presbyterian weavers in Coleraine ? I've read that in the later 1600s (when they were there)...that Coleraine was the center for weaving of the fine linen lawn used in the best dress shirts. I had wondered if perhaps this was due to silkweavers had adapting to market conditions and constraints. malinda Roy Stockdill wrote: > Malinda Jones wrote..... > > >>HI Roy......my biggest brickwalls are in places other than > Yorkshire....at > least I think they are. > > For instance.....my John Douthit was born 6 May 1709 in Coleraine, > Londonderry, N. Ireland. His forebears were supposedly part of the King > James > (II ?) plantation of Ulster. Prior to that , there was a Dowthwaite in > Aberdeen > that was supposedly his progenitor and before that the jury seems to be > divided > between theories of they're being French Huguenots or being from Dowthwaite > Hall somewhere in Ingland. I haven't mentioned the huge number of spelling > variations this name has inspired....e-searches are futile because of it. > > I haven't learned enough about doing Irish research to be able to follow > the > threads. It's the same story with my Scotch-Irish Reeds and Carsons. > > I don't know the origins of my Keevers.....they spoke German , but I've > been > assured that Keever is not a German name. Kever is Dutch...so maybe that's > it.<< > > I CAN'T help, I'm afraid, with German/Dutch ancestry or Reeds and Carsons. > > Irish ancestry is notoriously difficult to trace because so many records > were destroyed in the various "troubles". There were numerous plantations - > i.e. invasion of English and Scottish settlers into Ireland - beginning > under Queen Elizabeth I and continued by James I, Charles I and Oliver > Cromwell and later. > > However, you may just possibly be on the right tracks with your suggestions > for your Douthit/Dowthwaites. I have looked up the surname > DOUTHWAITE/DOWTHWAITE/DOUTHET in the definitive work, A Dictionary of > English Surnames by Reaney & Wilson, and this gives the derivation of the > name as being from a place called Dowthwaite in the county of Cumberland or > from, as you say, a Dowthwaite Hall in the North Riding of Yorkshire. > Cumberland and Yorkshire are virtually adjoining counties, BTW. I do not > know where Dowthwaite Hall was (I would be surprised if it still existed) , > but I will try and find out. However, we are talking Middle Ages here for > the derivation of surnames. I doubt a French Huguenot origin for the name. > Dowthwaite, the place name in Cumberland, seems much more likely. > > "Thwaite" is a very common suffix in hundreds of place names and surnames > in the north of England. It derives from the Viking Old Norse word for a > clearing, meadow or piece of enclosed land. > > I do hope you turn out to have Yorkshire ancestry. Not for nothing do we > Yorkshire folks refer to it as the "Texas of England"! > > Roy Stockdill > Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies > The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) > STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP > GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & > West Ridings > MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire > Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock > ”Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. > If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and > humorist 1771-1845) > > ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > INVITE YOUR NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS TO JOIN THE NEWGEN LIST > NEWGEN-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM (FOR LIST) > MEWGEN-D-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM (FOR DIGEST)

For Beginners and others wanting to know: To finding Vital Records in the States. Please take time to read a little of your research areas history. When beginning to "HUNT" in OH, I began by taking time first to read three good history books of OH and then the more localized areas of the families I was hunting. It really helped me when I started the searching process. I thought I "knew" all I needed to know about Kansas, as that was my home state. WRONG again! This summer I was home and read a wonderful book covering the settling of the land around Wichita, my area, and why it was not settled before 1870. Indian Land and broken treaties...played a part in this, as well as very early explorations by the Spanish and others as far back as in 1500s! I think I learned more History of the local area this summer than I had ever learned in school as a child. I was not aware that the land I grew up on 25 miles northeast of Wichita) had been part of the Osage Indians holdings until abt 1870. The very winter my ancestors came and claimed land there, as close to the Indian lands as they dared at that time. No wonder Great-Grandpa had Indians come steal food and do a war dance around his cabin! . The only folks around Wichita until abt 1875, were hunters, and seekers, according to this book. The farmers seemed to be about 25 to 30 miles away, waiting for this very WILD COWTOWN to simmer down. Thousands of Texas cattle and buffalo were "Out There" Could be why the Quakers first settled about 25 to 30 miles north and east of the city. Land already settled on the fringes of the Indian lands. Some of our States are very Young compared to others. Of course we all know Alaska was late, but the Western and some Southern territories were not settled until very late. Example, Arizona 1912. but they did have records as territories. Arizona has from 1909, and in county seats, from as early as 1887, long before Statehood. Others such as Kansas, (my home state) which became a State in 1861, was a territory in 1854, and part of the older 1803 Louisiana Purchase. But it was mainly settled only in the far northern/eastern counties until after the Civil War. KS has sparse official records until after 1911 on State level, but again county levels has older records depending on when the settlement of area really began Hope this helps. Continue reading History, the companion to good Family History Research. SEA "Life is what happens while you are making other plans"

I hope my Douthit/Dowthwaite folks turn out to be from Yorkshire too...my college French is rusty and my Norman French is non-existent......<grin> I understand Rev Sidney's quip better now....we used to feel the same way in Texas... but then, we got invaded by Yankees. I would appreciate any leads on Dowthwaite Hall..........thanks. malinda Roy Stockdill wrote: > Malinda Jones wrote..... > > >>HI Roy......my biggest brickwalls are in places other than > Yorkshire....at > least I think they are. > > For instance.....my John Douthit was born 6 May 1709 in Coleraine, > Londonderry, N. Ireland. His forebears were supposedly part of the King > James > (II ?) plantation of Ulster. Prior to that , there was a Dowthwaite in > Aberdeen > that was supposedly his progenitor and before that the jury seems to be > divided > between theories of they're being French Huguenots or being from Dowthwaite > Hall somewhere in Ingland. I haven't mentioned the huge number of spelling > variations this name has inspired....e-searches are futile because of it. > > I haven't learned enough about doing Irish research to be able to follow > the > threads. It's the same story with my Scotch-Irish Reeds and Carsons. > > I don't know the origins of my Keevers.....they spoke German , but I've > been > assured that Keever is not a German name. Kever is Dutch...so maybe that's > it.<< > > I CAN'T help, I'm afraid, with German/Dutch ancestry or Reeds and Carsons. > > Irish ancestry is notoriously difficult to trace because so many records > were destroyed in the various "troubles". There were numerous plantations - > i.e. invasion of English and Scottish settlers into Ireland - beginning > under Queen Elizabeth I and continued by James I, Charles I and Oliver > Cromwell and later. > > However, you may just possibly be on the right tracks with your suggestions > for your Douthit/Dowthwaites. I have looked up the surname > DOUTHWAITE/DOWTHWAITE/DOUTHET in the definitive work, A Dictionary of > English Surnames by Reaney & Wilson, and this gives the derivation of the > name as being from a place called Dowthwaite in the county of Cumberland or > from, as you say, a Dowthwaite Hall in the North Riding of Yorkshire. > Cumberland and Yorkshire are virtually adjoining counties, BTW. I do not > know where Dowthwaite Hall was (I would be surprised if it still existed) , > but I will try and find out. However, we are talking Middle Ages here for > the derivation of surnames. I doubt a French Huguenot origin for the name. > Dowthwaite, the place name in Cumberland, seems much more likely. > > "Thwaite" is a very common suffix in hundreds of place names and surnames > in the north of England. It derives from the Viking Old Norse word for a > clearing, meadow or piece of enclosed land. > > I do hope you turn out to have Yorkshire ancestry. Not for nothing do we > Yorkshire folks refer to it as the "Texas of England"! > > Roy Stockdill > Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies > The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) > STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP > GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & > West Ridings > MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire > Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock > ”Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. > If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and > humorist 1771-1845) > > ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > INVITE YOUR NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS TO JOIN THE NEWGEN LIST > NEWGEN-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM (FOR LIST) > MEWGEN-D-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM (FOR DIGEST)

> TO YOUR NEW CYBER FAMILY AT NEWGEN ! ! ! ! ! > > RECOMMEND NEWGEN TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS ! ! ! ! ! > > Dr. Bills' site has been given an award for being one of the most helpful genealogy sites on the internet........ > > > * You will find everyone here is extremely helpful. Don't be afraid to ask what you may consider a 'dumb' question. There is NO question that is 'dumb'. If you need help with your computer or a program ask that too! Remember, the only 'dumb' question is the one you don't ask. We all benefit from your questions. ! ! ! > > * Should you need a Mentor, someone to help guide you, please let Dr. Bill know and we will find a Mentor for you. We have wonderful, knowledgeable and caring people that are more than willing to help. All you need to do is ask! > > * If you in turn feel you can help someone is a specific region let Dr. Bill know or better yet, post it to the list..... We are here to help each other. > > * Be sure to post a message to the list giving the surnames you are searching. Type the surname only in caps, i.e. John BROWN. It is much easier to pick out the surname when it is in caps and those who skim will see it more readily. If you don't post your surnames, no one will know who you are searching, therefore no one can help you. > > * Every Monday night at 8:00 P< EDST we meet in our own personal 'stress free' genealogy chat room provided so generously by Dr. Bill. Bring all your genealogy questions with you. This is where we really help each other........ meet new friends and just have a good time...... > > ***********Directions to our Chat Room.... > Go to..... www.dr-fox.com > X on Chat in side panel > X on BOTTOM chat room (this is our PRIVATE > room) > After you enter the Chat Room at the top of > the page is the word 'default'. Clear that out > and enter your name then hit enter. Your > name will now show in the chat area. > > * Dr. Bill has so much interesting information on his site. > www.dr-fox-com. You should really go entirely through it and > see what information you can use. > One of the fun things he has is 'Name That Tune'....... > Dr. Bill puts up a tune and the first person to guess it gets His/Her name up in lights. Not.... He/She gets their > name listed as being the first person to Name That Tune! > It really is a thrill to see your name on the winners page. > Try it and let me know how good it feels! This is > strictly a FUN thing to do. > > * The Links page has some really good information on it. > Be sure and check it out! > > * While at Dr. Bills' site be sure and look at the Members > Page. There is a wealth of information there for you. > Our Members are more than willing to do a look up for > you. Check them out and see if the area you are > searching is listed by someone. If it is contact them. > > * Another Dr. Bill attraction is the Soap Box. We get a > chance to express our opinions on most any subject. > There have been some pretty good pages there! Any > subject is fair game. > > * Should you have a prayer concern, we here at > NEWGEN would like to pray with you or for you. Let > the list know of your prayer concern and we will take > it from there. > > * Please don't send attachments to the list. The HTML > messes up NEWGEN at Rootsweb and can't go through. > It WILL be returned to you. > > * Dr. Bill will send a post concerning new virus reports > AFTER he has validated the virus. The virus will NOT > be discussed on the list. He will do this to make us > aware. > > * Subing.....NEWGEN-L-Request@Rootsweb.com (list) > * NEWGEN-D-Request@Rootsweb.com (digest) > *Unsubing.....Same as above address to unsubscribe > > * Dr. Bill and everyone here at NEWGEN welcomes you > and we know your stay will be enjoyable, productive > and interesting......... > > * You may want to print this message for your future > reference. > > Bunny > > > > ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > NO BIT OF INFORMATION OR TIP IS MINOR WHEN IT CAN LEAD TO A MAJOR FIND. >

from another list....malinda > Hello All: > I came across this site and it might be what we all have been looking for, I > have not tried to search yet, but it looks promising: > http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/ > > Not only do they provide National and International Articles, but there are > links to other sites that might help, plus links to volunteers that might be > able to answer any questions you may have. I notice they have received > several awards for the web site-it looks like a winner!

Some of my other surnames are DILL,STOCKTON,BERRY,BOYD,JONES,MCCOY,STEPHENS,SINCLAIR/SAINT CLAIR,BREES,DOTY,HARMAN/HARMON,WHITE,SIMMONS,STORY,BAUGHER. I do have the 1850 ,1860,1870,1880 census of Dade Co. Mo. I would be glad to look up surnames for any one. Coleen

Hi, I am new to the list and I am researching my families that I know was in TN BERRY and the BOYD families. Right know I am working on Samuel A. Berry b. 1823 TN. I know he was in McMinn Co. TN in 1850 . He was md twice I believe. !st. Sophia b. 1822 TN 2/ Sarah Ann Morrow . When Samuel left TN I think he went to Barry Co. Mo,then into TX. Then around 1890 he and afew of his sons was in Dade Co. Mo. I believe he had a brother named William md Nancy was in McMinn Co. TN in 1850,I believe he had a sister Elizabeth b. 1820 TN md Will Newton.As the 1850 census shows it , it looks like they all lived together then.It is poss. that the Berry family was in Blount Co. TN,Sullivan Co. TN. I would appreciate any help on my Berry family. Thanks Coleen

Others doing Tabor research in Oklahoma. Carol http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/oksurnamesT.html hewitt wrote: > Roy, > > Read your story about your ancestor who, according to family stories, was a > drummer in a regiment at the Battle of Waterloo with great interest. I, > too, have a similar story in my family about my great grandfather. He was > supposed to have been a drummer in Napoleon's army. As they were retreating > through Vilna, Poland, he went "over the hill". He was suposedly taken in > by monks in a monestary and taught the occupation of forestry. His name was > TABER, which does not fit in Russia/Poland. As I understand it, > TABER originated in England and in the Battle of Hastings (1066) ended up in > France. My dad was born in Vilna and considers himself Russian as it was > in the Russian Empire at the time. > > I am having trouble tracing the name so far, but I am ever hopeful. All > relatives in the US are deceased so it makes it harder. > > Enjoyed your recent postings to NEWGEN. Thanks your input. > > BTW, My husband's ancestors came from England in 1823 from North Cumberland > Co. to Sterling, N. Y. The name is HEWITT. Trying to research > that family also. > > Cheers, > Phyllis in California > > ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > ROOTSWEB.............R.I.P.

I know not all on the lists are Native American, but for those who are or might be, here are some of the ways to see if you qualify Carol http://www.ok-history.mus.ok.us/archives/indianrc/a-4essen.html

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I am new to the list and have spent the last couple days watching. I am also new to genealogy. I am researching the family name Haggard. Would like to here from anyone with info or searching the same. Especially Samuel Monroe Haggard b.12/31/1850 m. Marth Lou Kinnel 4/19/1859 They had a son Noah Jefferson Haggard b. 7/8/1895 Spavinaw Indian Territory. Would like to konw how to go about getting information on if one of them was Indian, and birth recird for Noah, etc.... Staci

The best and earliest birth, marriages and death records have to be the first States. Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Vermont I think had the best info as far back as when the pilgrims came to the New World. I was able to trace my BUTTERFIELDS from Yorkshire to the New World, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, New York, Michigan with very little problem. But not all of the States (New York) kept early records. I just thank my lucky starts and good luck on ferreting out the facts for my family members. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "SLC" <navy33@express-news.net> To: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 4:15 PM Subject: [NEWGEN] Re US REGISTRATIONS > Roy > > Re...US birth registration ... > > It differs from state to state..some states have birth records back > father than other ones...some states did not have to have birth > records till the late 1800's...for all of my gggrandparents children I > found 1 record of birth in Fall River, Mass for 1869 that required > births to be registered....1 child in Ohio early 1870's that his birth > is recorded and as for the other 5 children their info was found in a > search done by the Diocese of Pittsburg Pennsylvania for the rest of > the 1870's as birth registration was not required for the area in > Pennsylvania that they lived...neither were death certificates > required for that time frame...without the search papers done for me > by the Diocese of Pittsburgh I would have no records on them.... > > Where in the UK I have birth registrations, death registrations and > marriage registrations clear back to the start of Civil > Registration...makes me mad that our US registrations for those years > were not as good as the UK was...we simply did not keep good records > here in those days...thats why we have to have searches done by > various church organizations, wills to be found and searched, > graveyards to be haunted to find family members, land papers of those > that owned land, I could go on and on on the places we here have to > search for info cause of the lack of those much needed registrations > back then.... > > SLC > > > ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > DON'T FORGET TO USE THE WORDS "THANK YOU" WHEN SOMEONE HAS DONE > YOU A FAVOR....ALSO WHEN SOMEONE HAS TRIED TO BE HELPFUL. > >

Thank you so much. I have tried to find the name in Scotland and Wales with no luck. Now I have a place to look Carol

Roy, Read your story about your ancestor who, according to family stories, was a drummer in a regiment at the Battle of Waterloo with great interest. I, too, have a similar story in my family about my great grandfather. He was supposed to have been a drummer in Napoleon's army. As they were retreating through Vilna, Poland, he went "over the hill". He was suposedly taken in by monks in a monestary and taught the occupation of forestry. His name was TABER, which does not fit in Russia/Poland. As I understand it, TABER originated in England and in the Battle of Hastings (1066) ended up in France. My dad was born in Vilna and considers himself Russian as it was in the Russian Empire at the time. I am having trouble tracing the name so far, but I am ever hopeful. All relatives in the US are deceased so it makes it harder. Enjoyed your recent postings to NEWGEN. Thanks your input. BTW, My husband's ancestors came from England in 1823 from North Cumberland Co. to Sterling, N. Y. The name is HEWITT. Trying to research that family also. Cheers, Phyllis in California

Carol Brooks wrote..... >> I listed both spellings as they are interchangable in the family.My grandfather said that they came from Scotland,however as this doesn't seem a Scotish name ,I have always wondered. Family legend has it that a Totman/Tatman tried to kill the king of England in the 1600s and after that was transported to now US as bonded servant. I know that John came over on the LION in 1632.We are traced back to him.Documented and all, but nothing before that. I am just wondering.<< HERE'S the official entry from what is probably the best source book on British surnames - A Dictionary of English Surnames by P H Reaney & R M Wilson..... "TOTMAN, TOTTMAN: Robert Toteman 1202 P (Ess). OE 'tot-mann'' a look-out man or watchman." P (Ess) = Pipe Rolls for Essex (a county in south-east England) OE = Old English TATMAN, however, has a different derivation as "servant of Tate" [Tate presumably being a personal Christian name] and is first recorded in the Pipe Rolls for Yorkshire in 1195. * Pipe Rolls were annual accounts of Crown revenues - i.e. the king's income - which had to be sent by county sheriffs to the Exchequer. The scrolls were rolled around rods, or pipes, for storage, hence the name. They survive in the Public Record Office in London from as early as 1130. Roy Stockdill Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & West Ridings MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock ”Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and humorist 1771-1845)