I'm heading in a new direction with my family!!!! My most wanted is Thomas J. DAYTON (1877-1925) - Indiana County, PA. From what I've heard, his wife's name was Clara. My grandfather, Andrew Dayton, was Clara's son from a previous marriage, and he was adopted by Thomas. Now.......which direction should I go? Should I pursue the DAYTON side, or try to find out Andrew's birth name and search that line? Any advice welcome :-) Dorcas "bill@dr-fox.com" wrote: > I am keeping track of those who don't list their most wanted. I am > contemplating sending each of you a copy of the tune "Who Let The Dogs > Out?" and making you listen to it until you loosen up and list your Most > Wanted. > > Dr. Bill (Bill@Dr-Fox.Com) > > . > > ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > BE SURE TO SHARE WITH THE OTHER LIST MEMBERS ANY SIGNIFICANT > (OR INSIGNIFICANT) FIND YOU HAVE MADE. IT HELPS OTHERS TO PRESS ON > WITH THEIR OWN SEARCH.

Can we get 177 visitors in three days? http://www.dr-fox.com Dr. Bill (Bill@Dr-Fox.Com) .

I am keeping track of those who don't list their most wanted. I am contemplating sending each of you a copy of the tune "Who Let The Dogs Out?" and making you listen to it until you loosen up and list your Most Wanted. Dr. Bill (Bill@Dr-Fox.Com) .

Come on people, listen and guess....there is no charge to enter and the prizes are valuable. http://www.dr-fox.com just click and then select Name That Tune, fill in your guess and become eligible for one of those valuable prizes. Dr. Bill (Bill@Dr-Fox.Com) .

I am looking for pre-1906 naturalization records, in Bridgeport, CT. (at least that's the first likely town I'm starting with). When writing to the closest local court, is there usually a fee for the clerk's time to search? I found the costs for vital records but not for a search for a naturalization record. Any advice? thanks, Deborah Sterling dls18@earthlink.net

Okay, okay! My most wanted is John DANIELS and (supposedly) Rebecca LEDBETTER. They are said to be the grandparents of my grandmother Nancy Etta DANIELS. Nancy was born in 1898 in Lenoir City, Loudon Co., Tennessee. I have found no evidence of John and Rebecca anywhere. Maybe they came from another state, but I have no clue where to look. They do not appear on any census reports before or after the birth of Nancy. Nancy had at least one sibling, a sister Mary, that my dad remembers. I'm not sure which was the older or where Mary was born. The story is that Nancy had a step-mother. Did they have the same mother? I don't know. My grandparents followed Mary's family to NW Ohio for work in the early 1930's. Karen karen.crye@usa.net "bill@dr-fox.com" <Bill@Dr-Fox.com> wrote: > I am keeping track of those who don't list their most wanted. I am > contemplating sending each of you a copy of the tune "Who Let The Dogs > Out?" and making you listen to it until you loosen up and list your Most > Wanted. > > Dr. Bill (Bill@Dr-Fox.Com) > ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

I'd love to. Unfortunately, the computer at my work station is set up to give me no sound. I CAN listen to CD's on my lunch hour, but I get no other sound. Karen karen.crye@usa.net "bill@dr-fox.com" <Bill@Dr-Fox.com> wrote: > Come on people, listen and guess....there is no charge to enter and the > prizes are valuable. http://www.dr-fox.com just click and then select > Name That Tune, fill in your guess and become eligible for one of those > valuable prizes. > Dr. Bill (Bill@Dr-Fox.Com) > ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

I totally agree with Bill. Rose Bill Fox wrote: > My advice, Roy, was based on the overwhelming increase in "stolen > Identities" and other frauds in this country. Data can certainly be > gathered and archived so that it is available for family and future > researchers, but to err on the side of caution, I believe, is warranted. > > Dr. Bill (Bill@Dr-Fox.Com) > > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Stockdill" <roystock@compuserve.com> > To: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 4:28 AM > Subject: [NEWGEN] Publish Private Info > > : Dr Bill wrote... > : > : >> Best rule, don't publish living > : folks without their WRITTEN approval.<< > : > : WITH respect, dear Dr Bill, I must disagree! I don't believe you can make > : any hard and fast rules on this and I think that each case must be judged > : separately on its merits. I am afraid I take the view that there is far > too > : much prissiness and preciousness around about so-called "privacy". > Provided > : the information has been entirely legally and properly obtained from > : sources which are clearly in the public domain, I see no reason > whatsoever > : why it should not be published and without recourse to the subject. It > may > : be only polite to ask their permission, especially if they are a close > : relative (and you don't want to be cut out of their will!), but in theory > : anyway I see no particular reason why permission should be sought to > : publish material about living people. > : > : Were this to be the case, there would have been no decent truthful > : biography of anyone published in the last 100 years! Instead of honest, > : investigative work, we would have a flood of bland, boring, sanitised > tomes > : written by individuals which totally conceal the truth about themselves. > : Give me Kitty Kelley on Frank Sinatra and Nancy Reagan and Prince Philip, > : rather than Frank Sinatra on Frank Sinatra, Nancy Reagan on Nancy Reagan > : and Prince Philip on Prince Philip, any day of the week, if you see what > I > : mean. How are genealogists and biographers researching the lives of the > : famous to work if they have to go running to them to ask their permission > : every time? Whilst it may be argued that ordinary people are a different > : case, I can't see it myself. If you have a rule you must stick to it for > : all. > : > : I fail to understand why there is so much preciousness about birth dates > : and addresses. I realise the US system varies from state to state, but > here > : in the UK we are able to go and obtain the birth certificate of anyone we > : like on payment of a fee of six pounds, 50 pence (about 10 dollars). I > can > : get my next door neighbour's birth certificate and he can get mine and > why > : not? The fact that I was born on a particular date is not my exclusive > : property, it is a matter of public record. So why should I care about > : someone else knowing it and publishing it if they want to? And please > don't > : throw the old chestnut at me about fraud and that sort of thing. This is > a > : problem for the banks and security forces, who should surely be clever > : enough to think up something more secure than one's birth date to protect > : people against confidence tricksters. > : > : I do not regard my address as being secret, either. I am in the phone > book > : and on the electoral register. Where's the big deal? Honestly, some > people > : are so precious about their privacy you would think they regard what they > : had for breakfast as a state secret! Let's not forgot that as > genealogists, > : we are not just hobbyists but historians, too. In recording living people > : today, we are providing information for historians of the future. It's up > : to us to tell the truth as we discover it, not conceal facts just because > : they might upset dear old Aunt Maude. > : > : My rule is, if the data is very clearly in the public domain, accesible > to > : all and is seen to be so, then you don't need anyone's permission to > : publish. There is already far too much secrecy perpetrated by governments > : and other powerful agencies and big multinational companies. We as > ordinary > : people do not need to join in the climate of excessive privacy. > : > : Roy Stockdill > : Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies > : The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) > : STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP > : GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North > & > : West Ridings > : MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire > : Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- > : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock > : Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- http://www.one-name.org > : "Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. > : If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and > : humorist 1771-1845) > : > : > : ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > : BE SURE TO SHARE WITH THE OTHER LIST MEMBERS ANY SIGNIFICANT > : (OR INSIGNIFICANT) FIND YOU HAVE MADE. IT HELPS OTHERS TO PRESS ON > : WITH THEIR OWN SEARCH. > > ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== > WHILE NO CONTROVERSY IS PERMITTED ON NEWGEN THERE IS A SOAPBOX > ON THE WEBSITE HTTP://WWW.DR-FOX.COM WHERE YOU CAN EXPRESS YOURSELF

Thanks Sally for this list. I printed your posting out for my family to read. Let us not ever forget them or the other thousands that lost lives in the service of our country defending our Rights to Freedom, and the Right to Vote, regardless of those up for election. In elections the local and State levels are VERY important issues, even if we chose not to vote for the president we MUST get out there to support the local and State issues in each and every election. If not we all lose. SEA "Life is what happens while you are making other plans"

Now Roy, we dont have Red Necks in Kansas, except for those imported from other Sates. <GRIN> I found your British view on this days election very interesting. Please send us a better man for the job in four years from now. We have wonderful young men very suitable for the job here, but none of them want it! So we are left with this pitiful situation. SEA

On Tuesday, November 7th -- Election Day -- around 100 million Americans will vote. Historically, over 100 million other Americans who could vote will not vote. Reasons cited for not voting always include voter-apathy, dislike for the political system, or lack of time. But most non-voters say they simply do not feel their one vote counts. Even if it does not lead to the election of a single candidate, your vote and every vote cast on November 7th will count very much for these 17 Americans: Kenneth Eugene Clodfelter, 21, of Mechanicsville, Va. Richard Costelow, 35, of Morrisville, Pa. Lakeina Monique Francis, 19, of Woodleaf, N.C. Timothy Lee Gauna, 21, of Rice, Texas Cherone Louis Gunn, 22, of Rex, Ga. James Rodrick McDaniels, 19, of Norfolk, Va. Marc Ian Nieto, 24, of Fond du Lac, Wis. Ronald Scott Owens, 24, of Vero Beach, Fla. Lakiba Nicole Palmer, 22, of San Diego, Calif. Joshua Langdon Parlett, 19, of Churchville, Md. Patrick Howard Roy, 19, of Cornwall on Hudson, N.Y. Kevin Shawn Rux, 30, of Portland, N.D. Ronchester Manangan Santiago, 22, Kingsville, Texas Timothy Lamont Saunders, 32, of Ringgold, Va. Gary Graham Swenchonis Jr., 26, Rockport, Texas Andrew Triplett, 31, of Macon, Miss. Craig Bryan Wibberley, 19, of Williamsport, Md. On Oct.12, 2000, these 17 young American men and women died on the decks of the U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole in the Yemeni port of Aden. A bomb carried by terrorist enemies of the United States blew away their right to vote along with the rest of their futures.

There will be no flames, Roy.....Not on this list. I regard your comments a "Sad But True Humor". Dr. Bill (Bill@Dr-Fox.Com) . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roystock@compuserve.com> To: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 5:06 AM Subject: [NEWGEN] Election Day : Dr Bill wrote..... : : >>Vote your conscience, but for heavens sake VOTE.<< : : I EXPECT I will get a barrage of abuse heaped on my head as an outsider : butting in on America's private affairs, but I thought you folks might like : to know how the US election is being seen over here by the British media. : The Daily Mail, a popular, middle-market national daily tabloid, probably : sums it up when they describe it as a contest between "The Nerd" and "The : Nincompoop." I don't, presumably, have to tell you which candidate they : regard as which! This is a polite - no, perhaps not so polite - way of : saying that neither candidate is too highly rated here. The same paper also : publishes a report by its special correspondent covering the election that : a poll shows that a quarter of all young Americans aged between 18 and 24 : have never heard of either Gore or Bush! Can this be really true? : : Gore is portrayed as being a smart alec, too clever by half for your : average redneck Joe Sixpack voter in Kansas, but very boring to most : people, while I am afraid Bush is seen here as being somewhat...er, how can : I put this delicately...shall we say, "intellectually challenged". Whereas : Clinton had trouble keeping his trousers on, George W. Bush is seen by most : commentators here as a man who has trouble finding his own fly buttons! : What worries the commentators is that a man who aspires to be president of : the most powerful nation on earth has such an insular view of the world : that he has only ever been outside America three times, has never once been : to Europe and appears never to have heard of any other world leaders. Our : media are asking how he will deal with the likes of the Russiaian : president, the Chinese and our own Tony Blair, who is one of the smartest : politicians who ever lived and formed an outstanding personal rapport with : Clinton. Bush's verbal gaffes and his apparent inability to string more : than four words together coherently have been much seized upon, plus his : alcoholism, drink-driving case and lack of interest in the environment (we : are told he has turned Texas into the most polluted state in America). : No-one seems to have much to say about Gore, but the word "boring" crops up : quite a lot. : : In an interesting way it mirrors our own situation. We have a clever-dick : prime minister who is intellectually brilliant but seen by many as a man : who cannot be trusted, while the Tory leader William Hague is widely : regarded as an overgrown schoolboy with the brain power of a retarded : hamster. Politicians, who needs 'em! Personally, when I was last over in : your country back in May this year, I don't recall hearing anyone : discussing the upcoming election at all. There seemed to be a distinct lack : of interest at that time. : : As I pointed out at the start of this message, I am merely giving you the : wider view from this side of the pond, not necessarily my own, so keep the : flames mild, eh!!! : : Roy Stockdill : Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies : The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) : STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP : GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & : West Ridings : MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire : Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock : Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- http://www.one-name.org : "Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. : If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and : humorist 1771-1845) : : : ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== : HTTP://WWW.DR-FOX.COM HAS A LINKS PAGE WITH : MANY, MANY HOOK-UPS TO VALUABLE INFORMATION SITES.

My advice, Roy, was based on the overwhelming increase in "stolen Identities" and other frauds in this country. Data can certainly be gathered and archived so that it is available for family and future researchers, but to err on the side of caution, I believe, is warranted. Dr. Bill (Bill@Dr-Fox.Com) . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roystock@compuserve.com> To: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 4:28 AM Subject: [NEWGEN] Publish Private Info : Dr Bill wrote... : : >> Best rule, don't publish living : folks without their WRITTEN approval.<< : : WITH respect, dear Dr Bill, I must disagree! I don't believe you can make : any hard and fast rules on this and I think that each case must be judged : separately on its merits. I am afraid I take the view that there is far too : much prissiness and preciousness around about so-called "privacy". Provided : the information has been entirely legally and properly obtained from : sources which are clearly in the public domain, I see no reason whatsoever : why it should not be published and without recourse to the subject. It may : be only polite to ask their permission, especially if they are a close : relative (and you don't want to be cut out of their will!), but in theory : anyway I see no particular reason why permission should be sought to : publish material about living people. : : Were this to be the case, there would have been no decent truthful : biography of anyone published in the last 100 years! Instead of honest, : investigative work, we would have a flood of bland, boring, sanitised tomes : written by individuals which totally conceal the truth about themselves. : Give me Kitty Kelley on Frank Sinatra and Nancy Reagan and Prince Philip, : rather than Frank Sinatra on Frank Sinatra, Nancy Reagan on Nancy Reagan : and Prince Philip on Prince Philip, any day of the week, if you see what I : mean. How are genealogists and biographers researching the lives of the : famous to work if they have to go running to them to ask their permission : every time? Whilst it may be argued that ordinary people are a different : case, I can't see it myself. If you have a rule you must stick to it for : all. : : I fail to understand why there is so much preciousness about birth dates : and addresses. I realise the US system varies from state to state, but here : in the UK we are able to go and obtain the birth certificate of anyone we : like on payment of a fee of six pounds, 50 pence (about 10 dollars). I can : get my next door neighbour's birth certificate and he can get mine and why : not? The fact that I was born on a particular date is not my exclusive : property, it is a matter of public record. So why should I care about : someone else knowing it and publishing it if they want to? And please don't : throw the old chestnut at me about fraud and that sort of thing. This is a : problem for the banks and security forces, who should surely be clever : enough to think up something more secure than one's birth date to protect : people against confidence tricksters. : : I do not regard my address as being secret, either. I am in the phone book : and on the electoral register. Where's the big deal? Honestly, some people : are so precious about their privacy you would think they regard what they : had for breakfast as a state secret! Let's not forgot that as genealogists, : we are not just hobbyists but historians, too. In recording living people : today, we are providing information for historians of the future. It's up : to us to tell the truth as we discover it, not conceal facts just because : they might upset dear old Aunt Maude. : : My rule is, if the data is very clearly in the public domain, accesible to : all and is seen to be so, then you don't need anyone's permission to : publish. There is already far too much secrecy perpetrated by governments : and other powerful agencies and big multinational companies. We as ordinary : people do not need to join in the climate of excessive privacy. : : Roy Stockdill : Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies : The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) : STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP : GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & : West Ridings : MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire : Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock : Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- http://www.one-name.org : "Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. : If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and : humorist 1771-1845) : : : ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== : BE SURE TO SHARE WITH THE OTHER LIST MEMBERS ANY SIGNIFICANT : (OR INSIGNIFICANT) FIND YOU HAVE MADE. IT HELPS OTHERS TO PRESS ON : WITH THEIR OWN SEARCH.

Great email re election. Hope a larger majority of folk get out and vote than usual; Mother and I were there before the polls were open at 6am. Will be interesting to see what happens once all the state results are in. Sally Sun City, AZ "My idea of housework is to sweep the room with a glance."

Hi, researching Grant from Leicestershire. Lost John after he left England and settled in America. Bonnetts.Trying to find the family of Henry and Elizabeth, after the 1881 census they move house in Leicester where too? Reappeared 1901 Stonebridge St. But I need to find out where they where in 1891 for missing children's names. Leathems from the Maze area of Lisburn N.Ireland. Criglington any one with this name please.? O'Hara's from Crookedstone or Ballyrobin. One branch lost!!! Jane born 1870 was either a student or had some thing to do with Queens University Belfast. Any information would be great thanks. Have a good day, Wendy aussie land.

You coulnd't have put it much better than any of us. You are so right about the opinion of our Presidents elect! Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roystock@compuserve.com> To: <NEWGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:06 AM Subject: [NEWGEN] Election Day Dr Bill wrote..... >>Vote your conscience, but for heavens sake VOTE.<< I EXPECT I will get a barrage of abuse heaped on my head as an outsider butting in on America's private affairs, but I thought you folks might like to know how the US election is being seen over here by the British media. The Daily Mail, a popular, middle-market national daily tabloid, probably sums it up when they describe it as a contest between "The Nerd" and "The Nincompoop." I don't, presumably, have to tell you which candidate they regard as which! This is a polite - no, perhaps not so polite - way of saying that neither candidate is too highly rated here. The same paper also publishes a report by its special correspondent covering the election that a poll shows that a quarter of all young Americans aged between 18 and 24 have never heard of either Gore or Bush! Can this be really true? Gore is portrayed as being a smart alec, too clever by half for your average redneck Joe Sixpack voter in Kansas, but very boring to most people, while I am afraid Bush is seen here as being somewhat...er, how can I put this delicately...shall we say, "intellectually challenged". Whereas Clinton had trouble keeping his trousers on, George W. Bush is seen by most commentators here as a man who has trouble finding his own fly buttons! What worries the commentators is that a man who aspires to be president of the most powerful nation on earth has such an insular view of the world that he has only ever been outside America three times, has never once been to Europe and appears never to have heard of any other world leaders. Our media are asking how he will deal with the likes of the Russiaian president, the Chinese and our own Tony Blair, who is one of the smartest politicians who ever lived and formed an outstanding personal rapport with Clinton. Bush's verbal gaffes and his apparent inability to string more than four words together coherently have been much seized upon, plus his alcoholism, drink-driving case and lack of interest in the environment (we are told he has turned Texas into the most polluted state in America). No-one seems to have much to say about Gore, but the word "boring" crops up quite a lot. In an interesting way it mirrors our own situation. We have a clever-dick prime minister who is intellectually brilliant but seen by many as a man who cannot be trusted, while the Tory leader William Hague is widely regarded as an overgrown schoolboy with the brain power of a retarded hamster. Politicians, who needs 'em! Personally, when I was last over in your country back in May this year, I don't recall hearing anyone discussing the upcoming election at all. There seemed to be a distinct lack of interest at that time. As I pointed out at the start of this message, I am merely giving you the wider view from this side of the pond, not necessarily my own, so keep the flames mild, eh!!! Roy Stockdill Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & West Ridings MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- http://www.one-name.org "Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and humorist 1771-1845) ==== NEWGEN Mailing List ==== HTTP://WWW.DR-FOX.COM HAS A LINKS PAGE WITH MANY, MANY HOOK-UPS TO VALUABLE INFORMATION SITES.

Sorry, Roy.. You seem to have been taking in and believing everything you read in the American newspapers and hear on the American TV. That's a major mistake on your part. Pat

Dr Bill wrote..... >>Vote your conscience, but for heavens sake VOTE.<< I EXPECT I will get a barrage of abuse heaped on my head as an outsider butting in on America's private affairs, but I thought you folks might like to know how the US election is being seen over here by the British media. The Daily Mail, a popular, middle-market national daily tabloid, probably sums it up when they describe it as a contest between "The Nerd" and "The Nincompoop." I don't, presumably, have to tell you which candidate they regard as which! This is a polite - no, perhaps not so polite - way of saying that neither candidate is too highly rated here. The same paper also publishes a report by its special correspondent covering the election that a poll shows that a quarter of all young Americans aged between 18 and 24 have never heard of either Gore or Bush! Can this be really true? Gore is portrayed as being a smart alec, too clever by half for your average redneck Joe Sixpack voter in Kansas, but very boring to most people, while I am afraid Bush is seen here as being somewhat...er, how can I put this delicately...shall we say, "intellectually challenged". Whereas Clinton had trouble keeping his trousers on, George W. Bush is seen by most commentators here as a man who has trouble finding his own fly buttons! What worries the commentators is that a man who aspires to be president of the most powerful nation on earth has such an insular view of the world that he has only ever been outside America three times, has never once been to Europe and appears never to have heard of any other world leaders. Our media are asking how he will deal with the likes of the Russiaian president, the Chinese and our own Tony Blair, who is one of the smartest politicians who ever lived and formed an outstanding personal rapport with Clinton. Bush's verbal gaffes and his apparent inability to string more than four words together coherently have been much seized upon, plus his alcoholism, drink-driving case and lack of interest in the environment (we are told he has turned Texas into the most polluted state in America). No-one seems to have much to say about Gore, but the word "boring" crops up quite a lot. In an interesting way it mirrors our own situation. We have a clever-dick prime minister who is intellectually brilliant but seen by many as a man who cannot be trusted, while the Tory leader William Hague is widely regarded as an overgrown schoolboy with the brain power of a retarded hamster. Politicians, who needs 'em! Personally, when I was last over in your country back in May this year, I don't recall hearing anyone discussing the upcoming election at all. There seemed to be a distinct lack of interest at that time. As I pointed out at the start of this message, I am merely giving you the wider view from this side of the pond, not necessarily my own, so keep the flames mild, eh!!! Roy Stockdill Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & West Ridings MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- http://www.one-name.org ”Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and humorist 1771-1845)

Dr Bill wrote... >> Best rule, don't publish living folks without their WRITTEN approval.<< WITH respect, dear Dr Bill, I must disagree! I don't believe you can make any hard and fast rules on this and I think that each case must be judged separately on its merits. I am afraid I take the view that there is far too much prissiness and preciousness around about so-called "privacy". Provided the information has been entirely legally and properly obtained from sources which are clearly in the public domain, I see no reason whatsoever why it should not be published and without recourse to the subject. It may be only polite to ask their permission, especially if they are a close relative (and you don't want to be cut out of their will!), but in theory anyway I see no particular reason why permission should be sought to publish material about living people. Were this to be the case, there would have been no decent truthful biography of anyone published in the last 100 years! Instead of honest, investigative work, we would have a flood of bland, boring, sanitised tomes written by individuals which totally conceal the truth about themselves. Give me Kitty Kelley on Frank Sinatra and Nancy Reagan and Prince Philip, rather than Frank Sinatra on Frank Sinatra, Nancy Reagan on Nancy Reagan and Prince Philip on Prince Philip, any day of the week, if you see what I mean. How are genealogists and biographers researching the lives of the famous to work if they have to go running to them to ask their permission every time? Whilst it may be argued that ordinary people are a different case, I can't see it myself. If you have a rule you must stick to it for all. I fail to understand why there is so much preciousness about birth dates and addresses. I realise the US system varies from state to state, but here in the UK we are able to go and obtain the birth certificate of anyone we like on payment of a fee of six pounds, 50 pence (about 10 dollars). I can get my next door neighbour's birth certificate and he can get mine and why not? The fact that I was born on a particular date is not my exclusive property, it is a matter of public record. So why should I care about someone else knowing it and publishing it if they want to? And please don't throw the old chestnut at me about fraud and that sort of thing. This is a problem for the banks and security forces, who should surely be clever enough to think up something more secure than one's birth date to protect people against confidence tricksters. I do not regard my address as being secret, either. I am in the phone book and on the electoral register. Where's the big deal? Honestly, some people are so precious about their privacy you would think they regard what they had for breakfast as a state secret! Let's not forgot that as genealogists, we are not just hobbyists but historians, too. In recording living people today, we are providing information for historians of the future. It's up to us to tell the truth as we discover it, not conceal facts just because they might upset dear old Aunt Maude. My rule is, if the data is very clearly in the public domain, accesible to all and is seen to be so, then you don't need anyone's permission to publish. There is already far too much secrecy perpetrated by governments and other powerful agencies and big multinational companies. We as ordinary people do not need to join in the climate of excessive privacy. Roy Stockdill Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies The Stockdill Family History Society (Guild of One-Name Studies, FedFHS) STOCKDILL PREST YELLOW BOLTON WORSNOP GIBSON MIDGLEY BRACEWELL SHACKLETON BRADLEY MOODY in Yorkshire North & West Ridings MEAD YOUNG in Somerset, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire Web page of the Stockdill Family History Society:- http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- http://www.one-name.org ”Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and humorist 1771-1845)

Vote your conscience, but for heavens sake VOTE. Dr. Bill (Bill@Dr-Fox.Com) .