Sue, Figuring some info was amiss in last response, I went on a "dig". Here is what I've found (STILL not entirely sure the William Brunswick Howard bunch IS the "W.B. Howard" mentioned in William's obit in 1888, but listed the "hits" just in case. Here are my notes... ----------------- Hi, My 3xgreat grandfather was William Howard. He lived in Saint John where he built ships such as "Effingham", "Howard", "Anna", and "Whim". He lived at 40 Wentworth Street, and died in 1888 leaving his widow Elizabeth, and 5 of his 13 children. He was a member of Carleton Royal Arch Chapter. Is anyone else researching this family, or can anyone tell me where to look for more information? Sue (in the UK) ---------------- 1881 Canada Census for Prince Ward, St. John, NB: Wm. HOWARD M Male Irish 77 Ireland Church of England Robert HOWARD Male Irish 40 Ireland Church of England Elizabet HOWARD M Female Irish 73 Ireland Church of England Annah HOWARD Female Irish 52 Ireland Church of England Margeret A. HOWARD Female Irish 34 Ireland Church of England He would have been @ 84 years of age in 1888, when he passed. This fits with "four score" from obit, below: I figured the previously mentioned one would have to be in error, if we KNOW he died in 1888. 1888 Obit for William from PANB Newspaper Vital Statistics (thanks to Dan Johnson!) - Published 22-Feb-1888, Saint John "The Daily Telegraph" William HOWARD, who for about 60 years was a resident of St. John, has passed over to the silent majority, having died yesterday after attaining the age of four score. He was born in Belfast, Ireland and in 1827 landed in St. John with his parents. For many years he was in the dry goods trade on the North wharf and afterwards on Market Square and Chipman's Hill. He carried on shipbuilding a number of years and built the ships "Effingham", "Howard", "Anna" and "Whim". The "Anna" was the first ship ever built on Courtenay Bay at the Marsh Bridge. In 1841 Mr. Howard moved to the United States where he remained a few years, returning after a short stay in St. John. His second stop in the States did not last long and he came back to the land of his adoption to spend the sunset of his life. His commission as Lt. in the 1st Battalion of Militia, City of Saint John is dates 1838 and signed by Major General Sir John Harvey, then Governor of New Brunswick. Mr. Howard afterwards held a commission as captain in the St. John Light Infantry granted him in 1865 which is signed by Gov. Gordon. It seems strange that as the Mechanic's Institute is losing its existence that one of its original members should pass away. He had at the time of his death a certificate signed by Beverley Robinson, as president. A second certificate dated Dec. 1861 bears the name of Joseph W. Lawrence as president. Mr. Howard's papers, as freeman of the city of Saint John are signed by Wm H. Street, mayor and were granted in 1835. Deceased was connected with the Masonic fraternity, having joined the Albion lodge in 1843. It was then under the Grand Lodge of England and was known as No. 570. He became a companion of Carleton Royal Arch chapter in 1845. Mr. Howard is survived by a widow and five (out of thirteen) children. Three of the number with Mrs. Howard live in the city; W.B. HOWARD lives at Miramichi and the other, Capt. Thomas DeW. HOWARD is captain of a steamer plying between Liverpool and Brazil. So, we know W. B. Howard is a son, from Miramichi in 1888, and Thomas DeWaldon Howard, MAY show up on UK census records? MAY have had a daughter, Margaret, who died at 14m of age in late 1834. (same source) Similarly, MAY have been father of William Brunswick Howard, who d. Jun-1842, St John, aged 3 years 3m. PANB index to St John Burial Permits: Name HOWARD, ELIZABETH Age 80 Date 1889-12-31 Birth Place IRELAND County -- Volume 2 Number 272 Microfilm F20740 This fits with Elizabeth being born 1808-ish, Ireland. Given the information in the obit, it is possible William Howard is the named William in an 1852 land petition under the name of William Henry Wilks, county of Saint John. No idea on the W.B. but do wonder if that was the beginning of the name William Brunswick Howard? If so, a descendant no doubt... William Brunswick Howard married Margaret Alma Fowler, 04-Nov-1903 at Saint John County, NB. He and Margaret, in turn, were parents of John Brunswick Howard, b. 18-Jan-1909. St John city, St John county, NB. A William B. d. aged 65 on 24-Feb-1908, St John Co., NB. >From the Collingwood Enterprise published 02-Jul-1925: Died: William Brunswick HOWARD on June 28th, in his 48th year. Born Chatham, N. B. September 15, 1877. Interment St. John. N. B. P4c3 Some "W.B." possibilities: >From PANB Newspaper V.S.: 03-Oct-1868, m. chatham, Northumberland Co, Thursday, 1st inst. by Rev. W.S. Neales, W.B. HOWARD, Merchant / Celia E. eldest d/o Geo. WHITTAKER, Esq. 1901 possibilities (longshots?) Kings Ward, St John city, St John Co, NB: 1 29 5 Howard William B M Head M Dec 18 1844 56 1 30 5 Howard Celia E F Wife M Jun 16 1848 52 1 31 5 Howard W Brunswick M Son S Sep 15 1879 22 1 32 5 Howard E Percy M Son S Dec 6 1880 20 1 33 5 Howard L Louise F Daughter S Oct 7 1877 23 LDS IGI: Thomas D'walden Howard, b. 1843, St John, NB, married Mary Grace Hughes on 16-Mar-1870, at Church of St. George, Walton-on-the-Hill, Liverpool, England. Mary Grace Hughes, b. 1847, Caernarvon (Wales), d/o Thomas Hughes and Grace Hughes. UK Census for 1881, at Walton On Hill, Lancashire, England: Grace Hughes, head, wid, 62, b. carnarvonshire Grace G. Howard, visitor, 34, master mariners wife, b. do Grace ?E? Howard, do, 9, b. Lanc., Liverpool Elizabeth A. Howard, do, 7, b. do Ann Howard, do, 4, b. do Maggie O. Howard, do, 2, b. do William T. Howard, do, 6m, b. do Elizabeth Daley, servant, 18, domestic servant, b. Lanc, Liverpool 1891 UK Census for Dist. 35, Walton on the Hill, Lancashire, England at #8 Gray Road: Thos. DeWaldron Howard, 43, head, m, Seas Mariner, b. St John, NB, Dom Canada Mary Grace Howard, 46, wife, m, N. Wales, Bangor Grace Eliza Howard, 19, dau, Lancashire, Liverpool Elizabeth A. Howard, 17, dau, Lancashire, Kirkdale, Liverpool Anna Howard, 13, dau, b. do William T. Howard, 10, son, b. Lancashire, Walton Mary Howard, 7, dau, b. Cheshire, Birkenhead DeWaldron Howard, 5, son, Lancashire, Walton, Liverpool (D Waldron) (UK BMD shows "DE Walden", Apr-Jun-1886, at West Derby, Lancashire) David Stanley Howard, 3, son, b. do (UK BMD shows Apr-Jun-1888 at West Derby, Lancashire) others in UK BMD: Mary Margaret Howard Oct-Dec-1884 at Birkenhead, Cheshire OR Mary Howard, Jul-Sep-1883 at same (depends on enumeration accuracy in 1891 - need to confirm in 1901) William Thomas Howard, Oct-Dec-1880, West Derby, Lancashire Anna, prob. on b. Jul-Sep-1877 at West Derby, Lancashire Elizabeth Ann Howard, b. Apr-Jun-1874, West Derby, Lancashire Grace Eliza Howard, b. Oct-Dec-1871, West Derby, Lancashire >From 1901 UK Census for Walton-on-the-Hill, Lancashire: Anna married William R. Blair, b. @1874, worked as shipowners bookkeeper. their sons, John Elliot Blair b. @1899 and Charles H. Blair, b. @1900 Annw workd as seller of sweets With them in household Mary Grace, of course, mother in law, 53, keeper of servants registry office (same b. info) Mary, s-in-l, 17, ?pupil teacher? - school board David W, b-in-l, 15, land merchant office boy David S., b-in-law, 12, Unsure WHERE Thomas was being enumerated, if at all, when he was 'at sea'. I gather you're descended of Thomas DeWaldron (or whatever) Howard? I'm going to search, again, through 1851 Canada Census, but seems not much on Howards in St John County in that database, but will scour more thoroughly. Jared