It is a common American-derived fallacy that the Pilgrims left England because they were being "persecuted". These were the same poeple who fomented civil war and committed regicide by beheading a king, and imposed religious laws so strict that people were actually put to death for working on the Lord's Day...read Andrew Marvell's poetry of the period. So repressive were the Quakers of Oliver Cromwell, that the British welcomed back their king with open arms! Similarly, it has now been established that the story of the Pilgrims reaching Cape Cod aboard the Mayflower and founding fathers of the United States of America is pure myth. The Jamestown colony was actually thriving and commercially viable long before the Mayflower landed at Plymoth Rock (SeeJamestown: The Buried Truth, by Dr. William Kelso) He theorizes that the Mayflower myth was created by the North during the Civil War, because Northern scholars were unwilling to admit that the nation owed its birth to Southern roots. Remember, the victor gets to write the history. Jay Underwood Elmsdale NS > > From: Lukas Huisman <yms@albertacom.com> > Date: 2007/05/17 Thu AM 12:03:08 EDT > To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ NB ] Pilgrims > > Actually, the Pilgrims left England due to persecution, and went first > to Leyden, Netherlands, where they found complete religious freedom. > They stayed there for quite some time and left for America, not to > escape persecution, but to escape all the various other religious > theories being espoused in Leyden, which they feared would "corrupt" > their children and turn them away from the "true faith". So, as Bill > said, when they then arrived in America they tried to ensure that no > teaching contrary to their own beliefs would find its way there, and > when it did - firstly in the form of the Quakers - they persecuted it > harshly, even hanging some. > > The key lesson in life that our ancestors struggled with is that: > - it is not necessary to be absolutely right and perfectly sure of every > jot and tittle of doctrine; and > - others have just as much right to be wrong as we do. > > Lukas Huisman > > Bill Tufts wrote: > > Funny how the Pilgrims were persecuted at home, so left America > > where they were harder on other religions and the Quakers were > > the bullseye of their dart board. But they were tough on just > > about anyone else. But 2nd on the hit list were the Anabaptists. > > My ancestor, Rev. Obadiah Holmes, was ordered to pay 30 shillings > > for baptising people in the river. Hr refused and "wore 30 > > stripes" instead. It almost killed him and he slept on his > > stomach for over a month. The NB Kiersteads descendants (incl me) > > from Obadiah. So, too, does Abraham Lincoln. I call him "My > > American Cousin," honest! I don't particularly like attending > > plays & I'm no fan. Maybe this is why, it's in the genes.<g> > > > > Bill > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >From Railfare-DC Books: http://www.railfare.net/From%20Folly%20to%20Fortune.html http://railfare.net/builtforwar.html Visit the Nova Scotia Railway Hall of Fame: http://www.nsrwyhalloffame.com/ Visit the Nova Scotia Railway Heritage Society: http://novascotiarailwayheritage.com/

----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [ NB ] Pilgrims > It is a common American-derived fallacy that the Pilgrims left England > because they were being "persecuted". These were the same poeple who > fomented civil war and committed regicide by beheading a king, and imposed > religious laws so strict that people were actually put to death for > working on the Lord's Day...read Andrew Marvell's poetry of the period. > So repressive were the Quakers of Oliver Cromwell, that the British > welcomed back their king with open arms! > Similarly, it has now been established that the story of the Pilgrims > reaching Cape Cod aboard the Mayflower and founding fathers of the United > States of America is pure myth. > The Jamestown colony was actually thriving and commercially viable long > before the Mayflower landed at Plymoth Rock (SeeJamestown: The Buried > Truth, by Dr. William Kelso) > He theorizes that the Mayflower myth was created by the North during the > Civil War, because Northern scholars were unwilling to > admit that the nation owed its birth to Southern roots. Remember, the > victor gets to write the history. Many thanks Jay. You put in a nutshell, what I learned (overall) during several years of taking History in school. Basically ... Grades 5, 6 & 7 - Early North American (all 3 countries) History (also included some South/Central American History) from beginning to end of 1700s. Gr 8 - North American History to the end of 1800s. Gr 9 - British History from the beginnings up to end of 1800s. Toni ~ Ontario

Jay I have also read that when the Pilgrims got there, they were met at the shore by Native Americans who had blue eyes and spoke English. So, I guess that they were not exactly the first ones there, either. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: jp.underwood@ns.sympatico.ca To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [ NB ] Pilgrims It is a common American-derived fallacy that the Pilgrims left England because they were being "persecuted". These were the same poeple who fomented civil war and committed regicide by beheading a king, and imposed religious laws so strict that people were actually put to death for working on the Lord's Day...read Andrew Marvell's poetry of the period. So repressive were the Quakers of Oliver Cromwell, that the British welcomed back their king with open arms! Similarly, it has now been established that the story of the Pilgrims reaching Cape Cod aboard the Mayflower and founding fathers of the United States of America is pure myth. The Jamestown colony was actually thriving and commercially viable long before the Mayflower landed at Plymoth Rock (SeeJamestown: The Buried Truth, by Dr. William Kelso) He theorizes that the Mayflower myth was created by the North during the Civil War, because Northern scholars were unwilling to admit that the nation owed its birth to Southern roots. Remember, the victor gets to write the history. Jay Underwood Elmsdale NS > > From: Lukas Huisman <yms@albertacom.com> > Date: 2007/05/17 Thu AM 12:03:08 EDT > To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ NB ] Pilgrims > > Actually, the Pilgrims left England due to persecution, and went first > to Leyden, Netherlands, where they found complete religious freedom. > They stayed there for quite some time and left for America, not to > escape persecution, but to escape all the various other religious > theories being espoused in Leyden, which they feared would "corrupt" > their children and turn them away from the "true faith". So, as Bill > said, when they then arrived in America they tried to ensure that no > teaching contrary to their own beliefs would find its way there, and > when it did - firstly in the form of the Quakers - they persecuted it > harshly, even hanging some. > > The key lesson in life that our ancestors struggled with is that: > - it is not necessary to be absolutely right and perfectly sure of every > jot and tittle of doctrine; and > - others have just as much right to be wrong as we do. > > Lukas Huisman > > Bill Tufts wrote: > > Funny how the Pilgrims were persecuted at home, so left America > > where they were harder on other religions and the Quakers were > > the bullseye of their dart board. But they were tough on just > > about anyone else. But 2nd on the hit list were the Anabaptists. > > My ancestor, Rev. Obadiah Holmes, was ordered to pay 30 shillings > > for baptising people in the river. Hr refused and "wore 30 > > stripes" instead. It almost killed him and he slept on his > > stomach for over a month. The NB Kiersteads descendants (incl me) > > from Obadiah. So, too, does Abraham Lincoln. I call him "My > > American Cousin," honest! I don't particularly like attending > > plays & I'm no fan. Maybe this is why, it's in the genes.<g> > > > > Bill > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >From Railfare-DC Books: http://www.railfare.net/From%20Folly%20to%20Fortune.html http://railfare.net/builtforwar.html Visit the Nova Scotia Railway Hall of Fame: http://www.nsrwyhalloffame.com/ Visit the Nova Scotia Railway Heritage Society: http://novascotiarailwayheritage.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We all know they were not the first ones here there were explores like old Christopher and so on. The land was not always separated either. Jay I have also read that when the Pilgrims got there, they were met at the shore by Native Americans who had blue eyes and spoke English. So, I guess that they were not exactly the first ones there, either. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: jp.underwood@ns.sympatico.ca To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [ NB ] Pilgrims It is a common American-derived fallacy that the Pilgrims left England because they were being "persecuted". These were the same poeple who fomented civil war and committed regicide by beheading a king, and imposed religious laws so strict that people were actually put to death for working on the Lord's Day...read Andrew Marvell's poetry of the period. So repressive were the Quakers of Oliver Cromwell, that the British welcomed back their king with open arms! Similarly, it has now been established that the story of the Pilgrims reaching Cape Cod aboard the Mayflower and founding fathers of the United States of America is pure myth. The Jamestown colony was actually thriving and commercially viable long before the Mayflower landed at Plymoth Rock (SeeJamestown: The Buried Truth, by Dr. William Kelso) He theorizes that the Mayflower myth was created by the North during the Civil War, because Northern scholars were unwilling to admit that the nation owed its birth to Southern roots. Remember, the victor gets to write the history. Jay Underwood Elmsdale NS > > From: Lukas Huisman <yms@albertacom.com> > Date: 2007/05/17 Thu AM 12:03:08 EDT > To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ NB ] Pilgrims > > Actually, the Pilgrims left England due to persecution, and went first > to Leyden, Netherlands, where they found complete religious freedom. > They stayed there for quite some time and left for America, not to > escape persecution, but to escape all the various other religious > theories being espoused in Leyden, which they feared would "corrupt" > their children and turn them away from the "true faith". So, as Bill > said, when they then arrived in America they tried to ensure that no > teaching contrary to their own beliefs would find its way there, and > when it did - firstly in the form of the Quakers - they persecuted it > harshly, even hanging some. > > The key lesson in life that our ancestors struggled with is that: > - it is not necessary to be absolutely right and perfectly sure of every > jot and tittle of doctrine; and > - others have just as much right to be wrong as we do. > > Lukas Huisman > > Bill Tufts wrote: > > Funny how the Pilgrims were persecuted at home, so left America > > where they were harder on other religions and the Quakers were > > the bullseye of their dart board. But they were tough on just > > about anyone else. But 2nd on the hit list were the Anabaptists. > > My ancestor, Rev. Obadiah Holmes, was ordered to pay 30 shillings > > for baptising people in the river. Hr refused and "wore 30 > > stripes" instead. It almost killed him and he slept on his > > stomach for over a month. The NB Kiersteads descendants (incl me) > > from Obadiah. So, too, does Abraham Lincoln. I call him "My > > American Cousin," honest! I don't particularly like attending > > plays & I'm no fan. Maybe this is why, it's in the genes.<g> > > > > Bill > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >From Railfare-DC Books: http://www.railfare.net/From%20Folly%20to%20Fortune.html http://railfare.net/builtforwar.html Visit the Nova Scotia Railway Hall of Fame: http://www.nsrwyhalloffame.com/ Visit the Nova Scotia Railway Heritage Society: http://novascotiarailwayheritage.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/807 - Release Date: 5/16/2007 6:05 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/807 - Release Date: 5/16/2007 6:05 PM