To which "revision" are you referring? The Civil War version, or Dr. Kelso's? All history must be subject to revision and re-examination, otherwise lies and falsehoods become entrenched as truth. Certainly the existence of the Jamestown settlement is historical fact. For those who would like to read Dr. Kelso's observations, e-mail me off-list and I will send an MSWord copy as an attachment. Jay Underwood Elmsdale NS > > From: "Ruth Melander" <ruth11@telus.net> > Date: 2007/05/17 Thu PM 07:09:08 EDT > To: <newbrunswick@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [ NB ] Pilgrims > > Revisionist history is so interesting. It really is sad when the writer > adapts the "story" to suit. > > Your comments about the Quakers is interesting. I have been helping with a > transcription project to put someof the old Quaker records from > southeastern Ontario on line. Part of this was during the schism between the > Orthodox and Hicksite Quakers. It was sad to read how people were > disfellowshiped and families torn apart with this division. > It's sad but it seems there are more forces in our world bent on tearing > families apart rather than nurturing them. A prime example is the American > Revolution. For some families the loyalists became dead to the family. More > push-pull. > > Ruth > > > > It is a common American-derived fallacy that the Pilgrims left England > > because they were being "persecuted". These were the same poeple who > > fomented civil war and committed regicide by beheading a king, and imposed > > religious laws so strict that people were actually put to death for > > working on the Lord's Day...read Andrew Marvell's poetry of the period. > > So repressive were the Quakers of Oliver Cromwell, that the British > > welcomed back their king with open arms! > > Similarly, it has now been established that the story of the Pilgrims > > reaching Cape Cod aboard the Mayflower and founding fathers of the United > > States of America is pure myth. > > The Jamestown colony was actually thriving and commercially viable long > > before the Mayflower landed at Plymoth Rock (SeeJamestown: The Buried > > Truth, by Dr. William Kelso) > > He theorizes that the Mayflower myth was created by the North during the > > Civil War, because Northern scholars were unwilling to admit that the > > nation owed its birth to Southern roots. Remember, the victor gets to > > write the history. > > Jay Underwood > > Elmsdale NS > > > > > >> > >> From: Lukas Huisman <yms@albertacom.com> > >> Date: 2007/05/17 Thu AM 12:03:08 EDT > >> To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [ NB ] Pilgrims > >> > >> Actually, the Pilgrims left England due to persecution, and went first > >> to Leyden, Netherlands, where they found complete religious freedom. > >> They stayed there for quite some time and left for America, not to > >> escape persecution, but to escape all the various other religious > >> theories being espoused in Leyden, which they feared would "corrupt" > >> their children and turn them away from the "true faith". So, as Bill > >> said, when they then arrived in America they tried to ensure that no > >> teaching contrary to their own beliefs would find its way there, and > >> when it did - firstly in the form of the Quakers - they persecuted it > >> harshly, even hanging some. > >> > >> The key lesson in life that our ancestors struggled with is that: > >> - it is not necessary to be absolutely right and perfectly sure of every > >> jot and tittle of doctrine; and > >> - others have just as much right to be wrong as we do. > >> > >> Lukas Huisman > >> > >> Bill Tufts wrote: > >> > Funny how the Pilgrims were persecuted at home, so left America > >> > where they were harder on other religions and the Quakers were > >> > the bullseye of their dart board. But they were tough on just > >> > about anyone else. But 2nd on the hit list were the Anabaptists. > >> > My ancestor, Rev. Obadiah Holmes, was ordered to pay 30 shillings > >> > for baptising people in the river. Hr refused and "wore 30 > >> > stripes" instead. It almost killed him and he slept on his > >> > stomach for over a month. The NB Kiersteads descendants (incl me) > >> > from Obadiah. So, too, does Abraham Lincoln. I call him "My > >> > American Cousin," honest! I don't particularly like attending > >> > plays & I'm no fan. 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