Revisionist history is so interesting. It really is sad when the writer adapts the "story" to suit. Your comments about the Quakers is interesting. I have been helping with a transcription project to put someof the old Quaker records from southeastern Ontario on line. Part of this was during the schism between the Orthodox and Hicksite Quakers. It was sad to read how people were disfellowshiped and families torn apart with this division. It's sad but it seems there are more forces in our world bent on tearing families apart rather than nurturing them. A prime example is the American Revolution. For some families the loyalists became dead to the family. More push-pull. Ruth > It is a common American-derived fallacy that the Pilgrims left England > because they were being "persecuted". These were the same poeple who > fomented civil war and committed regicide by beheading a king, and imposed > religious laws so strict that people were actually put to death for > working on the Lord's Day...read Andrew Marvell's poetry of the period. > So repressive were the Quakers of Oliver Cromwell, that the British > welcomed back their king with open arms! > Similarly, it has now been established that the story of the Pilgrims > reaching Cape Cod aboard the Mayflower and founding fathers of the United > States of America is pure myth. > The Jamestown colony was actually thriving and commercially viable long > before the Mayflower landed at Plymoth Rock (SeeJamestown: The Buried > Truth, by Dr. William Kelso) > He theorizes that the Mayflower myth was created by the North during the > Civil War, because Northern scholars were unwilling to admit that the > nation owed its birth to Southern roots. Remember, the victor gets to > write the history. > Jay Underwood > Elmsdale NS > > >> >> From: Lukas Huisman <yms@albertacom.com> >> Date: 2007/05/17 Thu AM 12:03:08 EDT >> To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ NB ] Pilgrims >> >> Actually, the Pilgrims left England due to persecution, and went first >> to Leyden, Netherlands, where they found complete religious freedom. >> They stayed there for quite some time and left for America, not to >> escape persecution, but to escape all the various other religious >> theories being espoused in Leyden, which they feared would "corrupt" >> their children and turn them away from the "true faith". So, as Bill >> said, when they then arrived in America they tried to ensure that no >> teaching contrary to their own beliefs would find its way there, and >> when it did - firstly in the form of the Quakers - they persecuted it >> harshly, even hanging some. >> >> The key lesson in life that our ancestors struggled with is that: >> - it is not necessary to be absolutely right and perfectly sure of every >> jot and tittle of doctrine; and >> - others have just as much right to be wrong as we do. >> >> Lukas Huisman >> >> Bill Tufts wrote: >> > Funny how the Pilgrims were persecuted at home, so left America >> > where they were harder on other religions and the Quakers were >> > the bullseye of their dart board. But they were tough on just >> > about anyone else. But 2nd on the hit list were the Anabaptists. >> > My ancestor, Rev. Obadiah Holmes, was ordered to pay 30 shillings >> > for baptising people in the river. Hr refused and "wore 30 >> > stripes" instead. It almost killed him and he slept on his >> > stomach for over a month. The NB Kiersteads descendants (incl me) >> > from Obadiah. So, too, does Abraham Lincoln. I call him "My >> > American Cousin," honest! I don't particularly like attending >> > plays & I'm no fan. Maybe this is why, it's in the genes.<g> >> > >> > Bill >> > >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >>From Railfare-DC Books: > http://www.railfare.net/From%20Folly%20to%20Fortune.html > http://railfare.net/builtforwar.html > Visit the Nova Scotia Railway Hall of Fame: > http://www.nsrwyhalloffame.com/ > Visit the Nova Scotia Railway Heritage Society: > http://novascotiarailwayheritage.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/807 - Release Date: 5/16/2007 > 6:05 PM > >