While Alexander Montgomery may well have had a claim in NYC, this "land in downtown NY City" smacks of the Anneke Jans Bogardus farm on Manhattan Island & it sounds like the information may have been misinterpreted by the Montgomerys in the generations living in the 1890s. This subject is a real tar baby. Once you get into it, you learn there is more and more to learn and the more you struggle, the deeper in you get. Through the 1890s and later, the promise of vast wealth from the value of the land and an inheritance had people with many surnames popping out of the woodwork all over N.B. asking: "Where do I get my millions?" Possibly, the papers Alexander Montgomery had, or allegedly had, were papers/documents pertaining to early leases, or possibly he had documentation to prove his family line back to Anneke. Anneke m1 Roeloff Jans and m2 Everardus Bogardus in New Amsterdam & outlived them both. She d. 1663/4. From her 1st marriage, her daughter, Sara, m. Dr. Hans Kierstede. While there were descendants of other lines in NB, (the Bayards for one), the Kierstead descendants in NB were numerous, even in the 1890s. There's another possibility in the Montgomerys, too. Alexander moved to today's Toronto and had a son, Richard, b. 1809. I have been told he m. Hannah Smith, who was related (says family lore) to Abraham Lincoln. The NB Kiersteads and descendants are also related to Abraham Lincoln, both families being descended from a New England preacher, Obadiah Holmes, who died at Middletown, RI, in 1682. There are later chapters in claims and proposewd lawsuits. The last one I have happened concerning the NB families was in 1917 when the Saint John newspaper published a short article saying the lawyer for the descendants, Lewis T. Gridley, had been disbarred. Another researcher told me he moved to Michigan in disgrace and broke. For your records, David Bell's book shows Alexander arriving in Saint John in May, 1783. Family at NY and on arrival was 1 man & woman and 2 children upwards of 10 years. In May, 1784, the woman was not there and was replaced by a servant. Bill msbailey wrote: > > Four Montgomery Loyalist grants in New Brunswick, Alex Sr and Jr., Joseph and John. > > I am searching for the ancestor's of Matilda Montgomery, family papers mention she was from New York. Family tradition for what that's worth, claim they received correspondence from the US regarding a land claim in the late 1800. As the story goes, all the family papers were burned. > > Hugh and Susannah stayed in New Brunswick. > > Ephraim Ellis b. 2/19/1813 christen 10/24/1815, Trinity Anglican Digby NS said to be living in Pedicodiac NB before marriage m. St. John New Brunswick Matilda Montgomery 1836. Another source places the marriage at Pittsfield NB, maybe a Parish of St. John. > > I have another version of this memorial that does not add substantive detail. > > thx mike > Case of Alex. Montgomery Sr. > > Claimt. says he came to this Province May 83. Went up the River to Berton very soon. Staid there all the winter. Never came to this city once during ye winter. Had > > no oppertunity of sending by Capt. Vaud---. Sent it by him. > He is a native of Ireland. Came to America in 1754, lived in Spencer Town when Troubles. Declared his sentiments at first in favor of Govrt. Was summond often > > and often before their Committees for being a Tory. Was to old to serve but sent his two sons into British service. They were taken prisoners and kept in prison for > > 18 months. Claimt supplied them with necessaries while they were at Pughkeepsie. > His sons send him a letter which fell into the hands of the Rebels and on that acct. they perscuted him more and more. Left his house and went to his mother in > > law's.Staid there two months. On his return home they sd. he had been with the enemy 30 people came armed to take him. He jumped out of a window made his > > excape into ye woods and got to the sound and was going by boat to Long Island, was taken prisoner and taken back, then lost his papers but made his excape. > > Got into British lines. Continued there till he came to this province. > Had a lot of land with house in Spencer Town. Containing 78 acres. Gave a deed to it to one John taylor before he left home. He did this in order to secure it. Sold it > > for 400 lbs not half the value, and have notreceived any part of the money. He had taken lands in exchange for others since ye commencement of ye war. Gave > > Lands that cost him 800 lbs for them. > Had a lot in Col. Jessep's Patent above Albany, purchased 3 years before the war of Col. Jessep, this lies in Kaiodyrascras. > Purched at 5 sh. York money pr. acre. He paid Col. Jessup by furnishing provisions for him and his servants by finding food and lodging. Says two men have benn > > put upon it and have made some improvements. Claimt. was never there himself. > Says it would have brough 20 sh. pr. acre before the war began. > Lost wheat in the barn taken from him as a Tory, taken for use by the Coninental army. Vals. about 20 lbs. Lost a mare taken from him while making his excape. > Produces a copy of Deposition of one Thomas Gardner to his knowledge of Claimt. being possessed of lands mentioned in his schedule. > > Case of Alexander Montgomery Jr. late of New York > > Alexander Montgomery Sr. says his son came here in sumr. of 83. Went up river. Is now settled in Gagetown. He served with Col. uphraim anf Col Hewlet on Lloyds > > Neck and on Expeditions in different places almost all the war. > Gresham Lookwood, father of Witness wife left by will a lot of land 10 acres in Greenwich to Witnesses wife, she dieing in his life time he added a codicell that it > > was to go amongst his children. > Testr. died about the beginning of the war. One David Brown was in possession of the lot in trust for witness. Children by witness order says that he gave security in > > 700 lbs to act as guardian for his children to the cr. of probate but never got possession himself but directed David Brown to take possession. > David Brown has left it as witness believes, perhaps brother in law may be in possession one William Hurry, married to Witness sister. > There are 16 acres not mentioned in the will, which will go amongst the children, there were 9 children. Whitness wife was one of the children. John his eldest son, > > now a amongst the Genose, Alexander the Claimt, Archibald, aged 22 at sea, David a infant, here, Hugh a infant at sea, Mary married in the States, Sarah and > > Sussanah now here. > Kown the land at Greenwich very well thinks it is valued 6 Lbs per acre. Vals it at that. > The 16 acres were more valuable, they were valued at 15 lbs per acre. > His son Alex was taken prisner when endeavouring to make his excape within British lines. Lost cash & c., to amt. of 20 lbs. He was taken prioner a second time > > while on Government sevice. Suffered a long imprisonment. Whitness says he had furnished him with money to carry him off within British lines. His son is very ill > > with a swelling in his arm and could not come to St John. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bill, Does David Bell give his sources? and would they be available at the Archives? and is the book still in print? Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Tufts" <dg052@freenet.carleton.ca> To: <newbrunswick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [ NB ] Alexander Montgomery American Loyalist from New York > While Alexander Montgomery may well have had a claim in NYC, this > "land in downtown NY City" smacks of the Anneke Jans Bogardus > farm on Manhattan Island & it sounds like the information may > have been misinterpreted by the Montgomerys in the generations > living in the 1890s. > > This subject is a real tar baby. Once you get into it, you learn > there is more and more to learn and the more you struggle, the > deeper in you get. > > Through the 1890s and later, the promise of vast wealth from the > value of the land and an inheritance had people with many > surnames popping out of the woodwork all over N.B. asking: "Where > do I get my millions?" > > Possibly, the papers Alexander Montgomery had, or allegedly had, > were papers/documents pertaining to early leases, or possibly he > had documentation to prove his family line back to Anneke. > > Anneke m1 Roeloff Jans and m2 Everardus Bogardus in New Amsterdam > & outlived them both. She d. 1663/4. From her 1st marriage, her > daughter, Sara, m. Dr. Hans Kierstede. While there were > descendants of other lines in NB, (the Bayards for one), the > Kierstead descendants in NB were numerous, even in the 1890s. > > There's another possibility in the Montgomerys, too. Alexander > moved to today's Toronto and had a son, Richard, b. 1809. I have > been told he m. Hannah Smith, who was related (says family lore) > to Abraham Lincoln. The NB Kiersteads and descendants are also > related to Abraham Lincoln, both families being descended from a > New England preacher, Obadiah Holmes, who died at Middletown, RI, > in 1682. > > There are later chapters in claims and proposewd lawsuits. The > last one I have happened concerning the NB families was in 1917 > when the Saint John newspaper published a short article saying > the lawyer for the descendants, Lewis T. Gridley, had been > disbarred. Another researcher told me he moved to Michigan in > disgrace and broke. > > For your records, David Bell's book shows Alexander arriving in > Saint John in May, 1783. Family at NY and on arrival was 1 man & > woman and 2 children upwards of 10 years. In May, 1784, the woman > was not there and was replaced by a servant. > > Bill > > msbailey wrote: >> >> Four Montgomery Loyalist grants in New Brunswick, Alex Sr and Jr., Joseph >> and John. >> >> I am searching for the ancestor's of Matilda Montgomery, family papers >> mention she was from New York. Family tradition for what that's worth, >> claim they received correspondence from the US regarding a land claim in >> the late 1800. As the story goes, all the family papers were burned. >> >> Hugh and Susannah stayed in New Brunswick. >> >> Ephraim Ellis b. 2/19/1813 christen 10/24/1815, Trinity Anglican Digby NS >> said to be living in Pedicodiac NB before marriage m. St. John New >> Brunswick Matilda Montgomery 1836. Another source places the marriage at >> Pittsfield NB, maybe a Parish of St. John. >> >> I have another version of this memorial that does not add substantive >> detail. >> >> thx mike >> Case of Alex. Montgomery Sr. >> >> Claimt. says he came to this Province May 83. Went up the River to >> Berton very soon. Staid there all the winter. Never came to this city >> once during ye winter. Had >> >> no oppertunity of sending by Capt. Vaud---. Sent it by him. >> He is a native of Ireland. Came to America in 1754, lived in Spencer >> Town when Troubles. Declared his sentiments at first in favor of Govrt. >> Was summond often >> >> and often before their Committees for being a Tory. Was to old to serve >> but sent his two sons into British service. They were taken prisoners and >> kept in prison for >> >> 18 months. Claimt supplied them with necessaries while they were at >> Pughkeepsie. >> His sons send him a letter which fell into the hands of the Rebels and >> on that acct. they perscuted him more and more. Left his house and went >> to his mother in >> >> law's.Staid there two months. On his return home they sd. he had been >> with the enemy 30 people came armed to take him. He jumped out of a >> window made his >> >> excape into ye woods and got to the sound and was going by boat to Long >> Island, was taken prisoner and taken back, then lost his papers but made >> his excape. >> >> Got into British lines. Continued there till he came to this province. >> Had a lot of land with house in Spencer Town. Containing 78 acres. Gave >> a deed to it to one John taylor before he left home. He did this in order >> to secure it. Sold it >> >> for 400 lbs not half the value, and have notreceived any part of the >> money. He had taken lands in exchange for others since ye commencement of >> ye war. Gave >> >> Lands that cost him 800 lbs for them. >> Had a lot in Col. Jessep's Patent above Albany, purchased 3 years >> before the war of Col. Jessep, this lies in Kaiodyrascras. >> Purched at 5 sh. York money pr. acre. He paid Col. Jessup by furnishing >> provisions for him and his servants by finding food and lodging. Says two >> men have benn >> >> put upon it and have made some improvements. Claimt. was never there >> himself. >> Says it would have brough 20 sh. pr. acre before the war began. >> Lost wheat in the barn taken from him as a Tory, taken for use by the >> Coninental army. Vals. about 20 lbs. Lost a mare taken from him while >> making his excape. >> Produces a copy of Deposition of one Thomas Gardner to his knowledge of >> Claimt. being possessed of lands mentioned in his schedule. >> >> Case of Alexander Montgomery Jr. late of New York >> >> Alexander Montgomery Sr. says his son came here in sumr. of 83. Went up >> river. Is now settled in Gagetown. He served with Col. uphraim anf Col >> Hewlet on Lloyds >> >> Neck and on Expeditions in different places almost all the war. >> Gresham Lookwood, father of Witness wife left by will a lot of land 10 >> acres in Greenwich to Witnesses wife, she dieing in his life time he >> added a codicell that it >> >> was to go amongst his children. >> Testr. died about the beginning of the war. One David Brown was in >> possession of the lot in trust for witness. Children by witness order >> says that he gave security in >> >> 700 lbs to act as guardian for his children to the cr. of probate but >> never got possession himself but directed David Brown to take possession. >> David Brown has left it as witness believes, perhaps brother in law may >> be in possession one William Hurry, married to Witness sister. >> There are 16 acres not mentioned in the will, which will go amongst the >> children, there were 9 children. Whitness wife was one of the children. >> John his eldest son, >> >> now a amongst the Genose, Alexander the Claimt, Archibald, aged 22 at >> sea, David a infant, here, Hugh a infant at sea, Mary married in the >> States, Sarah and >> >> Sussanah now here. >> Kown the land at Greenwich very well thinks it is valued 6 Lbs per >> acre. Vals it at that. >> The 16 acres were more valuable, they were valued at 15 lbs per acre. >> His son Alex was taken prisner when endeavouring to make his excape >> within British lines. Lost cash & c., to amt. of 20 lbs. He was taken >> prioner a second time >> >> while on Government sevice. Suffered a long imprisonment. Whitness says >> he had furnished him with money to carry him off within British lines. >> His son is very ill >> >> with a swelling in his arm and could not come to St John. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message